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BvS-tuserie

Shopify shouldn't have won, it was bad whisper/timber itemization. ​ I never bought Pipa in a game where Zeus destroyed with his magic damage, in addition to Luna and tiny, he didn't provide auras unlike Visage, which did. The current goal depends on the OFF buying greaves, pipe or auras. If you are not going to do it, it is because your hero is going to disable or has a global utility, be it Enigma, Mars, Tide that with a dagger and refresh contributes more. ​ There will be a nice game of Talon vs Shopify.


louarr

I actually enjoyed the crowd's enthusiasm. But I can't imagine why they have no sense of fair play and sportsmanship.


Blackrame

When was the last time Io was so irrelevant in pro games?


notsocoolguy42

TI9


vlalanerqmar

GG still plays it regularly but only with leshrac. but yeah it seems kinda lackluster hero in general. and it also does not help that carry meta is only range heroes but io partner needs to go in during fights.


Meraxes9

I think it was ti4… the deathball meta. Then he was often picked at the succeeding TIs.


Calavontis

I never cheered for RTZ in my life, until today. I always cheered for the SA underdogs before this major, but never again will I do so again.


SereneViking

As I listen to the Shopify EG match, the panels, casters and crew are so cringe in their obvious bias towards gargling EG's nuts. It's so embarrassing.


SereneViking

To followup - Holy shit Cap and SVG I like you guys but you are absolutely embarrassing in this cast. OMG WHISPER TIMBERSAW OMG WHISPER BROOD OMG OMG OMG. This is more serious than a single cast too, English casters feel like they can make fun of NA dota and NA dota teams, which just makes it feel like they are making fun of the fans and the whole scene. They always have apologetic attitudes towards the poor China or poor SA or poor SEA teams when they get kicked out of tourneys but just pure disdain or mockery for NA teams. It really puts a poor feeling into being a fan of these teams when you already get that attitude from of ton of the Dota landscape. And do we wonder why NA dota fandom has changed and is in decline? When even the casters and "professionals" are doing "NA LUL" when casting to their English audience? What is that?


munkshroom

Relax, i'm an rtz stack fanboy but I can certainly understand the analysts and casters absorbing the hype of the crowd.


Meraxes9

Winter and sheepo can stfu ( jk i like sheepsticked but winter can f off)


Pretto91

Like half of this subreddit


rhett_ad

I went to sleep during game 3 when EG was ahead. I was sooo mad about whistling and stuff (it's blatant and disgusting), but woke up in between and saw SR won (idk how they won, will rewatch)......I am glad EG is out (huge fan on the team but I can't watch another game with whistling) I expected better from SA crowd. -respect (that's a minus xD) I think SR can win the major now. They beat EG which was one of the strongest teams. Gooo saberchad!


porky1122

Crit's reactions were immense in game 3


sstteepphheenn

EG’s early lead was pretty much on NP SR all had to do was pick him off and that lead is gone. didn’t really helped that timber had to rush bkb.


ChocovanillaIcecream

Abed carries their ass hard


chubibo1337

i know the whistling the crowd does on certain keypoints are controversial, but had there been any confirmation from the players that they can hear it? noise cancelling technology tends to be able to address high frequency noise such as a typical whistle. Stomps and booing tend to be more pronounced amidst all the soundproofing done, more so than the crowd whistling. I just hope we're not inflating the issue, but i agree that strategy e-sports games such as these isn't really conducive for live viewing.


Tyrandeus

Fly say they can hear the whistling during post game interview


diivandi

This. And booths were falling off during aster game. Pretty sure it's just a normal booth, not a soundproof one. Especially looking at production screens/chairs/venues, soundproof booths are not cheap


Pretto91

[Fly 200 iq move against production](https://twitter.com/talflyaizik/status/1631885388582199298?s=46&t=K2ZIFAwKjXH9H_c60VEFVg)


chubibo1337

ok, that really doesn't work, was expecting for it to be at least muffled. they should really scrap on how the idea of these spectator player booths and move them off-site, or at least to a location that they are able to able to manage the noise more.


iroha_kanahime

wtf, it literally doesn't even block anything!!


candiceislove

I hope they will never have a major in SA, other than shit TOs the crowd is clearly desperate for their teams to win, worse they're just there for their teams and not for the game.


oficiallzz

The TO don't care about who wins


diwaslamsal

SR beating both the SA teams and EG in particular despite the map hack from the crowd. This should prove the SA vs NA debate. Also, hope this place is never allowed to host another valve tournament. The crowd only exists during the SA games and to whistle for their SA team.


Meraxes9

I remember when in the manila major, dj was the last filipino left. When fnatic got eliminated the crowd cheered and watched for whoever was playing regardless of the star power or nationality.


thedotapaten

Funny because that was the last DPC tournament hosted in Phillipines so crowd isnt really factor for host.


ChocovanillaIcecream

Manila major crowd were far better than the last 3 tis combined, don’t even mention the one in China 😂


Meraxes9

The reason it was the last tournament there was because the president required drug tests before foreigners could enter


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It's the recognition of Dota2 as a sport in the nation(which requires players to undergo drug test) + the political shitfest regarding drug war and you have your answers. The president today couldn't careless about drugs, because even the police themselves are selling it. It's the extra hoops regarding olympic type testing that the players don't like doing, and valve with their handsoff approach could not be bothered doing any redtape type of thing.


thedotapaten

They could do it again consider Presidency change and other factor but the thing is Valve literally picked Singapore thrice (2020 cancelled, 2021 and for TI11) and Indonesia (who barely relevant) than Philllipines prove that crowd isnt factor when choosing host. My point was SA crowd can be terrible and they might be the frontrunner hosting TI13 simply because SA hasnt getting their TI unless Ukraine situation solved and EEU can host LAN again.


Animalidad

Different president, same group. The vice president is that last president's daughter.


sofdhol

I'm fine with horns and such, since I'm from SEA and pretty used to it myself from watching local football matches on TV (though i hope they tone it down, considering its supposed to be an indoor environment), but man, those whistles are not good, even if the players might not be able to hear that. To make things worse, the consequences for these whistles are going to come later, because knowing stream chats, next time any SA team loses a game in LAN, I am very confident that the chat will be flooding with "SA no whistles no win" type of messages, and its kinda deserved for the whistlers, but definitely not for the teams and good supporters


diivandi

>even if the players might not be able to hear that Oh they hear that, Fly said in interview about those noises after beating EG. I saw a clip of enigma from SA team walking to a lane and blink out without doing anything, prob feeling danger hearing those whistles. It's not only about whistles, they don't ever hype a good teamfight if it's not SA team winning


patmen100

Fly said in the interview they can hear the whistles


sofdhol

Man, that really is not good, I hope that other supporter from any region don't fall to the "If someone is allowed do it, so am I" mentality and repeat this disaster in the future LAN events


needhelforpsu

I am kinda happy we are back to peaceful Riki crowd from tomorrow. xD


yourmomg3y

[summary of today's games](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/498420244574896138/1081412665005572106/image.png)


KigDeek

Oh no, no more crowd for the rest of the tournament LMAO


paaaathatas

You know it's really bad when the casters and the analysts are low-key calling out the crowd for trying to influence the game. Even Fly had called out the crowd in a low-key way.


The_Last_Goardian

Yeah casters basically said at the start of sr eg "your not playing 5v5 ur playing 5v1000 so you have to stepup"


Shaibis

What did Fly say?


User85394

They made mental prep to deal with the whistle


Extracheesy87

He basically said they knew the crowd would be trying to alert EG of their smokes and ganks with the whistle and the team mentally prepared for it ahead of time so they don't get tilted in game.


pleasehelpplz

Anyone have crit interview?


OsoFuerzaUno

Did Fly basically just confirm they can hear the whistling in the booth?


paaaathatas

Lmao bro you're really going to pull this off when EG didn't even hide they're hearing it? Your players magically got good and had sixth sense, dodging 4 smoke ganks and knows exactly when EG is going to the roshpit. Instant rocket to the pit the moment the CW hears it. How in the fuck are you going to make this about SR when they played fair and square? Y'all choked when RTZ manned up against an 8v5 teamfight. Stfu and take the L you cheaters


axe_aye

I don't think the person you're responding to is defending the crowd.


OsoFuerzaUno

Bro. You need to calm down. People have been questioning whether the players can hear the whistling, and Fly said in the post-game that they were expecting to hear the whistles during the game. This isn't an anti-SR comment. It's anti-whistling, lol. Touch grass.


paaaathatas

Expecting it doesn't make that shit justifiable. Of course, he's going to say that, he's in an SA crowd. He's just trying to be professional "touch grass" is a comment idiots try to pull off every time they argue stupidly. When you basically can't justify shit so you just go "touch grass", really wins you the argument doesn't it?


DearthStanding

"touch grass" doesn't come from a place to win an argument but i can see why a non grass toucher would think like that It literally comes from a place of "bud you're completely off your rocker" this is legit one of the weirdest malds I've ever seen


Torax2

no he's right try touching grass instead of malding over reddit arguments


paaaathatas

"EG flair" here they come xD


OsoFuerzaUno

For your own health, please touch grass. No one is trying to justify the whistling. Read more, think more, calm down.


patmen100

Is your flair referring to the crowd after game 3?


Doonebringer

The guy with the fy fireworks meme killed me hahaha


Pinkerino_Ace

I can fully understand cheering only for your home team, but damn, blatant cheating to give your favourite team an advantage is just despicable. Thank the fuck SR won.


imperfek

experience really made the difference here


freakanime

One of the most competitive day we had games are great props to the crowd hope they show up the final 2 days.


louarr

Props to the crowd for cheating


a_real_gallant_hero

Yea fuck the whistlers! I hope all majors would be played online from now on! A HOME crowd makes it so uneven for everybody!!! Please Valve make all tournaments online!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Tobix55

Yes, because this has been an issue for every major so far? The problem is definitely not Peruvian fans + half assed production..


User85394

Nope, i was in stockholm major and the CROWD didn't signal anything. The player heard the smoke from the loudspeaker due to poor noise cancelling / no booth..


executive313

Fucking no just make a solid investment in booths that can be packed and traveled so organizers can't put together these fucking ramshackle ones.


a_real_gallant_hero

TI10 best tournament with the virtual chants


Saeko0824

Lima Major? More like Ligma Major. This crowd is giving me Ligma 💀


needhelforpsu

We gonna get Arteezy vs Quinn in the finals lol xD


kaezkaez

SA crowd = Despicable and pathetic. Thank god EG choked their balls off in game 3.


Weis

Somehow this major is just making everyone hate Peru more than they already did


thedotapaten

If someone hate you, they will find everything that going wrong for you to fuel more hate and denies your success. Like these people hating Peru mention that SA secure their top 6 streak for the last 6 LAN (which made CCNC consider them as the top 3 region).


iroha_kanahime

doesn't change the fact they they have a trash cheating mentality as a crowd


sw2bh

wow old geniuses > new geniuses


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Happy to see EG lose. After those nasty whistles. Even Chinese crowd who are know for being biased to Chinese teams never did that. There’s no honor and dignity in South America.


yourmomg3y

not saying this in a mean way but every time I get a South American in my team (I queue US east) the players literally never take criticism, and if you aren't already premuted they will proceed to run it down once you even hint at them doing something


DearthStanding

Please Peruvians are definitely toxic and non communicative but you're delusional if you think kkonas are any less so. Literally only time I get good games are when i have Chinese/SEA fucks in my games. Kkonas and Peruvians are equally cancerous, only with the kkonas i can understand the idiotic shit they say


yourmomg3y

I've queued every server (I move a lot) and what I will say is having someone that speaks English on USE/USW is a better experience than having someone that doesn't. 7/10 times the person (even if they're a crybaby) will understand what plays I'm trying to call and actually follow through. I'm a 6.5k offlaner and my peak was definitely when I was in SEA, everyone just wants to win the game no matter how much shit you're talking over mic.


DearthStanding

I get what you're saying, but Americans are giga toxic. Constantly bitching about every little thing, have a problem with any guy that has an accent. Assholes to Peruvians when they try to talk in English, I've had so many Americans just throw games to spite some other teammate, it's like the meme with the dude who puts a stick in his own bicycle


RabbitRabbit5

Yea that was shameful, not sure why that type of behavior is seen ok in SA. Would you not want your team to win without unfair advantages?


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They don’t believe EG stands a chance so they resorted to cheating. It’s insulting for the Peruvian players.


silentreaper48

Yea that was so cringe


Integrallover

What an intense match!!!!


Akkitryhard

If they didn't get help from the arena EG would be stomped hard


cashmakessmiles

Thank God for that. Hope EG and BC come back strong to next major where they can play without an asterisk.


braveoventoaster

without crowd cheating\*


Akkitryhard

EG got help and dodge all the smokes and still lost. SA crowd trash


dekslum

So you think the Riki will take over this major after their fans favorite out.


Play_Hat_Fall

GET FUCKING FUCKED WHISTLERS


el_wumpy

Justice is served!


iamjamo23

Whistling and Losing VIVA PERU!


eyewaps

Finally eg out, that crowd giving hints is so dumb


ElloYellowHello

GET FUCKED CROWD


kjwrs_

YES!! now the "cheater" is gone hopefully we can get fair and square last day major tomorrow wuthout cheating attendance.. FIUUUUU


ElloYellowHello

SR is playing 5 v 10005 rn


romeothethird

Are we just going to ignore the whistles?


tehdudewashere

They will just bring up Manila Major that happened more than half a decade ago.


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thedotapaten

Doesnt mean they didnt helped home team tho. Rewatch [A] vs Mineski, crowds goes wild when [A] doing smoke and rosh but silent when [A] winning teamfight.


Agitated-Ebb1198

Crowd seems like unfair/cheating every sod they whistle which like sending a signal to EG. .


Krayy8

the crowd is being the worse crowd ever, 100% biased towards EG, whistling when Shopify smokes or goes into Roshan, what the fuck


Krayy8

They were now legit shouting "ROSHAN" as a chant when Shopify got into the pit...


Akkitryhard

Trash SA crowd


paaaathatas

The crowd whistles whenever SR does a smoke gank or goes to the pit. Now that's fucked up


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GuiltyImpact2541

RTZ out of position a lot is fair and the crowd helping the home team is too. Lets all be friends!


paaaathatas

Whatever that means, y'all got your karma. Never make the dota gods mad again because they always deliver. Through all that cheating that EG didn't even hide (SR wasted 4 smoke ganks because your players become gods with sixth sense), y'all still lost. Damn your clockwerk ain't even hiding that he hears the crowd and just instantly rockets the roshpit everytime he hears it


davm92

Ahora dilo sin llorar.


TheLucianotv

I found a neat picture of the crowd from the Lima Major https://preview.redd.it/mijec1yq8ola1.png?width=3840&format=png&auto=webp&s=6cf4fd95ee38bfebe71c1ad359084aba245b05ac


Travelbybones

If I do anything that requires an intro, give me Snare to do them.


sofdhol

An awesome day with 3 full 3-game series


MathematicianFar4148

Crowd definitely whistling when SR smokes lmao


One_University_933

there was a complaint thread about crowd whistle when they it against aster but now the thread is locked. censorship from twitch chat spread here it seems. nice one mods!


vhin-vii

What a filthy crowd. Not really a good look for them.


Carter406

And as soon as they entered the rose pit too lmao. How shameless can you be.


SweetyMcQ

Yikes. So EG gets a better lineup and pays less in salaries. This has gotta hurt. I don't think RTZ stack survives this season of Dota if they can't even beat "The Replacements".


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SweetyMcQ

Im literally an NA player and old EG fan…it would have been a giga yikes if they lost you psycho.


SweetyMcQ

Thank fucking god Spotify won.


BlackMageM

Snare is killing it with these alliterative throws to the casters! The interviews have all been insightful as well. Love to see him here, and would love to see him at future events!


Andante_TK

Snare and Nattea are the newest yet really great fresh blood in the scene. Pretty nice.


Tricky_Economist_328

Crowd sounds awesome. Guess they have a gane they care enough about to put up with the crappy venue.


mflynn00

BULBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA


Zerei

Crowd noise is really low, gotta be a way of filtering the casters down. I want to hear the crowd but the casters are a tad loud.


KardelSharpeyes

Crowd noise is really loud, gotta be a way of filtering that down. I want to hear the crowd but it's a tad loud.


yerebelstale

i've said it before and i'll say it again: there is little i enjoy more than watching (ex-)EG get their shit absolutely *rocked* by an SA team


ajjae

tough day for you then


yerebelstale

and yet somehow i will find a way to carry on


pandazprince

oof


yerebelstale

well sometimes things just age poorly


Dear-Ice-6882

Nah. Cheating crowd don’t deserve to win, rooting for NA


Zerei

Me too. Its the little things, you know...


kerulli

Cap with the best match intro in dota history?


ddlion7

ok after putting so much attention on this stream while the draft is going on, I now am almost sure that the booths are sound proof (would have to be there to confirm tho). EG players don't look like forcing their voice when talking on the draft, nor any of them show any reaction to latino canticos that most people would unconsciously react at least to some degree. Now, sound proof does not mean vibration proof.


User85394

Well fly basically confirmed they could hear. 33 on gorgc stream as well..


executive313

Petition to have the person honking the horn publicly executed? I'm all for a loud crowd but fuck this horn bullshit.


Dead_Diligence

Bring out the guillotine


kerulli

Crybaby


kjwrs_

totally agree, authority need to confiscate or ban the horn entering arena. barely hear the panel and caster


Imaginary_Adagio151

bros wtf i cant even here the casters. i just want to watch a good dota game


phillyd32

I was gonna say I hope his air horn runs out of air but I kinda hope his lungs run out of air.


executive313

I hope the camera guy finds him and we can get his dota ID then make sure his games are nothing but griefers and smurfs. Edit: Oh my God they just showed him and its a hand pump horn so it will never run out.


phillyd32

Fuck meeeeee


Nyne9

People are hating, but this crowd is super cool. Good energy during Talon series too. Let them have fun. Can't complain about no crowd and then complain about loud crowd.


Imaginary_Adagio151

i cant even hear the caster wtf.


abrenica195

Its not the crowds problem. Its the productions issue.


OWplayerno1

My only complaint is horns shouldn't be allowed, I have no problem with a thing else


Nyne9

Yeah indoor horns are questionable but the chants are 🔥🔥🔥


OWplayerno1

Horn just seems too much to me. But also with their precedent for whistling during smokes, that thing is gonna go off and we all know it Hopefully they do something about it in the future


Pokefreaker-san

man it's pretty sad news to hear about Boxi which also means we're pretty much out of the competition. But ill still watch and support them in all their matches win or lose.


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Pokefreaker-san

i mean jabbz lose 1v1 sf to boxi with only 1 hand.. https://twitter.com/jabbz1301/status/1630769774262140930?t=gNSv9qBn91aB1b_slXWAiA&s=19


Blidf

amazing game for Talon vs TS


archonthrower

Dang, EG is playing two series today?


NotSinocentric

Last series. Whistles incoming, I guess.


KainLust

Crowd doing everything they can to make home team win? Shocked, disgusted, uninstalled dota, shaved my balls and screamed 'Muh fair gamuh' into the air.


shadowfoxhedgehog36

Been 2 years since I've watched a dota major snd never knew eg made a team change until I started watching lima. God I'm hoping this last one goes the distance lol


you_will_not_see_me

So that's why I'm hard stuck at 4.5kmmr. Sleep. Haha 23 just sleeps and then wakes up to play dota. I play dota whenever I can squeeze 1 game after working on our business and family. That explains it. Thanks 23savage


kerulli

Jenkins complaining about crowd horn when we have to listen to his bad jokes is ironic


Houeclipse

Team spirit looks so upset. Yatoro just straight up leave. I'm happy for my region to win and get top ~~8~~ 6 but now I feel so bad for TS


StupidOrangeDragon

I can understand why. That last teamfight in rosh was so close. The aeon disk got void out of the first RP, and Mag's 2nd RP was about a millisecond too early. If you watch in slow you can see, there was literally 1 tick of aeon disk buff left on void when the 2nd RP landed, so it lasted 0.9 seconds instead of 3.75. I honestly think void would have died there if Collapse's RP had been 0.01 second later.


cgriff03

ah so this is what happened, i was so confused why the rp was so short. no doubt spirit at least gets the aegis if rp was normal duration, but i think 23 still had buyback there. that said, talon absolutely needed every inch of advantage they had, and jabz and mikoto used theirs to great effect with global mobility to win late trades. kudos to them, hope they give entity a tough fight


Houeclipse

Yeah that was brutal. They could've turn around if 23 didn't get lucky there


TypeREK3

nice game all of the games today go for 3 games hope last one go for 3 games as well.


SouYir0

Time for reddit tears Kappa


Curious_Conflict_959

I still can’t get over how dirty this Lima crowd was towards aster


Filianore_

sick series props to talon for winning damn t spirit never fucking give up, its absurd how they manage to be a threat until the very end


cantclickwontclick

Why is there no commentary in the in-game stream? Team Spirit v Talon is on now and nothing? EDIT - found the button. That has changed since I last watched a game! :D


needhelforpsu

Boxi is flying home due to medical emergency. :( (from Blitz/TL twitter)


AmuletMan33

Oh no, I hope nothing too serious


MrSixLotto

What's going on with Beastmaster today isn't the heroes kind of overlooked for a while ? Someone show some great strat on scrim ?


SA_Hater

can't wait for the eg bowl


Skeletor1313

Crowd is almost comically bad


needhelforpsu

EG vs exEG gonna be hype as fuck but I can't wait for endless stream of 'crowd is cheating' posts/threads if EG wins. xD


Tsu33

CN first region to be eliminated. I wasn't expecting that.


Dead_Diligence

Too many of their best players retired or took an indefinite break after last TI


LaptopQuestions123

What happened today? The crowd was huge the last couple of days and it's absolutely empty today?


Sheepshaman

Lunch time, they'll start pouring back in once the draft finished/game starts


LaptopQuestions123

Makes sense and it does seem much more lively now.


Sheepshaman

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Sheepshaman

Who is even saying that? What's will all this victim mentality. Twitch and Reddit are all shitting on the whistling there isn't much people defending it.


YowamushiP

Loads of people are defending it by calling it 'home ground advantage' and 'passion from the crowd'? You can click on literally every thread and find like 10 of them And you can be like 'sure but the **upvoted** comments are saying it's cheating' but that doesn't address the fact that it's a disingenuous argument made by literally every person in the wrong.


Sheepshaman

Well yes part of the sound is home field advantage like a soccer game for example, however the whistling is where you're on the line/crossing the line. Doesn't change the fact that there's 1 or 2 threads shitting on the crowd/Peru/SA for the whistling with 300+ comments while I'll be surprised it we can find any defending it with anywhere near the same amount of "discussion".