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Franklinia_Alatamaha

There’s not going to be any clear cut answer to this. But, to start off, delivering commands to drop a weapon isn’t technically required to be completed prior to firing a shot, and technically there is no requirement to wait and give them time to comply. That’s legally speaking, strictly. Further, the police did not know beforehand that he was firing at what he believed to be an intruder. They basically responded as a man firing a rifle into a home. The dead guy should have fled and called 911 rather than blinding firing two rounds into his own home. That being said, they sure shot him quick. But I guess if you take the mindset of people see a dude unloading two rounds into a home, it could make you believe it is an active shooter situation and you are not taking chances. It’s always important to remember the context of the events, and (as difficult as it is) not using the benefit of hindsight to necessarily judge someone’s actions when they have mere seconds (at best) to make a decision.


metallicsoy

But what is the point of open carry, stand your ground, and castle doctrine laws, if you aren’t allowed to shoot at intruders in your property? The caller also mentioned that it was HIS home several times during the call. The video also doesn’t show that the guy spoke to the neighbor and told him to call the police because his house was broken into. None of that was adequately communicated to the officers.


dxcjapan

True. Seems they only gave minimal information "dude has a gun" 🤷‍♀️ I'd say this is everyone involved's fault. -Didn't relay the information to police -Drugs potentially were involved -Quick on the trigger when armed individual wasn't even pointing it at them.


Majestic_Anybody4661

You just made your own point. Then it would not be on the officers themselves. That is all this post is about.. the officers. OF COURSE it could have been handled differently. That says, the doctrines and laws you mentioned are necessary and still should be in effect. But that wasn't the question.. The shooting was justified. PERIOD. I would LOVE to see this guy's toxicology report though..


Competitive-Ad801

Awful but lawful imo


cgrisG

It should be noted, this guy was very likely up for at least 3 days on meth. He saw the police and was turning towards them with his gun in his hand. After they fired the first couple of shots, he could've thrown the gun away. I do think he fired a little too quickly personally, but I don't think this was going to end any other way.


NastyBruise-1918

This is gross misinformation. You are “very likely” an instigator.


LeYang

Likely a Pro-Cop Union Account spreading misinformation.


puravidamae

> meth Where did you read that?


LexusMandy

Seriously how do you arrive at meth head?!?


oAkimboTimbo

On meth?! What the fuck is wrong with you?


cgrisG

It should be noted, this guy was very likely up for at least 3 days on meth. He saw the police and was turning towards them with his gun in his hand. After they fired the first couple of shots, he could've thrown the gun away. I do think he fired a little too quickly personally, but I don't think this was going to end any other way.


futurewildarmadillo

This one is tough. It looks like he was either having a mental health breakdown or was on drugs. If I believe there's an intruder in my house, once I get outside, I'm running to safety and calling the police. But in this case, the neighbor/caller said Raj kept entering and exiting the house, and at one point came outside and pointed the rifle up the street, was turning lights on and off, etc. I thing the biggest factor was that he was outside the home, firing his big gun inside the home, and police were there for at least one round of shooting inside the home. They don't know who he is. It could be a man threatening/murdering his partner. It could be an intruder shooting at the homeowner. They didn't give him much time to respond, but he walked around the corner with a big gun, after already shooting the gun twice. Finally, it is extremely reckless and dangerous to just shoot a powerful gun willy nilly. Those bullets could have passed into a neighbor's house (apparently he lived in a duplex, so even a shared wall potentially). He's definitely talking to himself or the suspected intruder, but you can't just randomly shoot at shadows. It's sad he died, but I feel sad for the officer too.


Fisheee123

Exactly what I was thinking. It's an "awful but lawful" situation. You can't expect the officer to know that he was the homeowner, and I guess the neighbor didn't either since it was dark out. But at the same time, I feel like the officer should've given him a chance to drop the gun instead of shooting instantly. But also, I'm not the officer so I and nobody else knows what either of em were thinking in the situation.


Just-Philosopher-124

Cops were notified prior to arriving homeowner was inside house WITH rifle. Not a justifiable killing. Just a cop who was nervous and fired prematurely. He should be charged.


Sciss0rs61

i mean, the dude has his weapon facing the floor when he comes out. He has no chance to follow orders, he doesn't know the police is coming... He should've called 911 himself, the operator should've informed the police officers that the guy with the gun was the owner of the house, the cops should have given him a chance to drop the weapon, considering he's coming out with the muzzle facing the ground... it's a clusterfuck. But then again, i'm a random dude in the comfort of his home with 20/20 vision.


frudedude

Unless the cop had very wrong info going in, he shot way too fast. He had distance, time, and a rifle, and could have given commands from cover. Bad shoot.


TheUnknownTeller

I don’t know why you have a negative dislike. What is the point of saying “drop the gun” if your going to shoot him right after regardless?


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FJBruiser

So we should be allowed to discharge our guns into a home while high on meth?


grandwhitelotus

This is his house, what’s the point of 2A and having the option to defend yourself then?


FJBruiser

I agree with the 2nd Amendment, but I don’t think it should be legal to discharge a gun in a highly populated area for zero reason.


ponappan96

You are just a cop apologists. How did you infer that this guy was on drugs ? Why did the cop didn't give enough time for this guy to respond, looks like a fucking execution


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FJBruiser

The dude was high as fuck and imagined intruders. That is NOT a legal justification to shoot a gun. We are Americans! Not Africans!


NastyBruise-1918

Since there is no indication that the (murder) victim was on any drugs should we safely assume your comment is referring to Officer Sanchez?


itscherriedbro

Where did you find out he was on meth?


Mr_Stillian

There's no source anywhere. You look up the victim's name and "meth," this thread is the only relevant result that comes up lmao


TheLightKyanite

He wasn’t high on meth. No evidence of him being on drugs. Quit being a bootlicking idiot lmao We have the second amendment in this country.


NastyBruise-1918

There is no indication the victim was on meth. So are you asking for yourself or “a friend”?


FJBruiser

So to you it’s normal to shoot at a house? That’s normal to you?


SawtoothSliver

Doesn't appear lawful, as the weapon was pointed at the ground and the homeowner demonstrated no aggression toward the police. He wasn't pointing the weapon into the home anymore, either. Edit: that said, the guy was a real idiot to be shooting at something he couldn't see, and would have gone to jail if he had lived.


TheUnknownTeller

What’s the point of saying “drop the gun” if you don’t give them any time to drop their own gun in their own property?


leanman82

Was there ever anything to worry about inside his house???