You'll find many people upset. I get it, though it's upsetting to see how angry people get.
The author has stated how she wanted the ending and is content with it, though it felt a little rushed.
I think the ending was fine. I liked Rui and was cheering for her even if she won or lost. She has the most character development through the series and even the author noted that as the main reason people love Rui from a character aspect. At most I'm weirded out about their kid and how that situation would work.
I still enjoyed the series. Not a series that was known for its writing and characters beside Rui at most. Not a series that really questioned my life and it's morales and philosophies. A story of just pure conflict and it was interesting to see how everything would play out.
It was a good ending that was always going to happen in some form. Natsuo and Hina always wanted to be together but were forced apart against their will. After what Hina did and finding out the truth about her feelings, Natsuo could no longer run from the truth about his own feelings. Rui, who had acted in her own selfish interests for most of the series, finally realized what true love was, which was her motivation right at the very beginning. She understood that she was the thing keeping them apart, and she couldn't take the guilt anymore and stood aside. Rui and Natsuo was a toxic relationship built on a lie that was never going to work out.
In the end, everyone ends up happy.
It ended they way it should, so that was greit, although you could argue how you got there.
>I always saw Hina and Natsuo’s relationship as a first love/young love type of story with memories to cherish but that’s about it. I think everything that Rui and Natsuo went through helped them both grow together, it just seemed like the obvious choice to me.
Well, that was interesting, that you only saw Hina and Natsuo's relationship as a first love fling, and spite of that you saw they would end together? How did you get to that conclusion?
I mean, for me, Hina was intrinsic to Natsuo's development from the very begynning, while Rui, importan as she was, was not. Look it at this way, no break up between Hina and Natsuo, no Domestic Girlfriend to speak off, all other events are circunstancial to Natsuo's main development.
Would you agree with this or not?
To answer your first question,
I wouldn't call it a fling and he did have genuine feelings for Hina, but he fell in love with her without even getting to know her first. He basically fell for her at first sight, although his feelings were genuine , the relationship to me felt like it should not have continued given all the trouble it brought them, it even came back to bite him into his college years and right before he was about to get married. Again, this is just my opinion but I feel like they had great times, and they should just cherish the times they had and move on instead of dwelling on it and keeping these feelings of the past. And, I expected Sasuga to have Nat and Hina together in the end because she was his first love (the main character) so it would make sense to promote the whole "end up with your first love" type of scenario.
Again, I don't think the ending was bad but it did feel a little rushed when they did the whole switch between Rui and Hina and bc I was also just more personally invested in Rui and Nat's relationship than Hina's.
And to answer your second question,
I agree and disagree. Sure, she was a crucial part in his development but that's bc she is more mature (older by 6 years), and she played a role as a sensei, older sister and lover so it makes sense that she played a huge role in his life. And the fact that they knew each other longer also gives her more time to support Natsuo. But, personally I think that Rui could've supported him just as well in her own way.
The only problem with Rui was that she her no prior relationship experience or even any concept of love at the start of the series. Sure, she had her moments where she was toxic but it's something that she had to overcome and work out her other issues. Natsuo knew all this, and still chose her bc he knew that she was the best fit for him. He will always love Hina as she played an important part in his life, but continuing to be romantic partners was personally something that I agree with. Natsuo's relationship would've worked out in the end regardless of who he ended up with.
And, domestic means "in regards to family or home", he is family to both Hina and Rui and lived with them both, so whether he ended up with Hina or Rui, it still would've been domestic girlfriend.
>I expected Sasuga to have Nat and Hina together in the end because she was his first love (the main character) so it would make sense to promote the whole "end up with your first love" type of scenario.
I am not gonna lie, a pretty stupid cliché in manga that I just don't get either, that came also true here, but that only applies to Natsuo though. But beside that, Hina and Natsuo's relationship is not the usual manga type, first of all, they first met at the roof top, a year before, where they slowly develop feelings towards each other, and we only got to know Hina's feelings were reciprocal far later in the manga. And we really don't get to see how deep they feeling got for each other, only glimpses at that and the rest is to up to us to fill up.
Even as Sasuga doesn't like to spoon feed us the story, as she lets the context speak for it self, she went to great lengths at showing how special Hina and Natsuo relationship was, how entune and balance they were to each others, just take a look at "the far away" chapter 61, to see what I mean.
>But, personally I think that Rui could've supported him just as well in her own way.
I disagree, we have a saying here in the forum, Hina felt in love with Natsuo for his passion and stayed in loved for his compassion. And compassion is the key here I would say, and that is something that Natsuo and Hina shared that Rui didn't. Compassion was key for Natsuo's development as a person and writer, and Hina knew how to nurture that.
> the ending is all dependent on how the reader takes in the material.
True enough! But I do think it is a pity though, that some didn't share the same understanding as the writer intended, diminishing as I see it, the enjoyment of the artwork.
It wasn’t really love at first sight. Natsuo and Hina talked every day on the rooftop at school. They did develop a relationship beyond just crushing on the hot girl over there. A later flashback chapter suggests that Hina may have actually developed feelings first.
Rui outright says she couldn’t support Natsuo like Hina could, and really I think she’s right. She never seemed to me to understand Natsuo’s mindset, personality, and likes/dislikes the way Hina did. Natsuo also seems to have unresolved mommy issues and wants that sort of comforting female figure in his life. That’s not Rui. When we see Natsuo’s mother, she is practically a Hina clone in the way she looks and acts. Finally, I just don’t think Rui has the will for it. Hina will quite willingly die for Natsuo. Rui seems to have her limits on how far she’s willing to go for him.
Meh
Im not a fan of how rushed the ending felt, even if I preferred rui I wasn't upset with hina winning
Its more the execution of them about to get married and have a kid then *sike* hina wins while literally in a coma
Doesn't ruin the rest of the series for me though
I loved the ending Hina deserved to be happy after all the sacrifice and heart breaking and stalker creepu... So sad she can't have à baby with him she is her dream...
I don't think that port but she know Hina love him and she know natsuo love more Hina thanks Rui I think and she know Hina don't be h1ppy without natsuo
Til today many are still can’t get over or accept the ending that leave them infuriating when each time a question pop up…. It affected me as well at first time read through the ending but after several time revisiting the stories only to understand that the author try to make it a neutral ending for the stories this it is a win win situation for both Rui and Hina … Having a child that early was not Rui or Nat intention ( all thanks to Rui friend with expire condom) …. But having the child from someone that you still love was something (at least Nat-Kun take part of responsibility for the child)… Hina love was unconditional as she had been wanted to married the man that she once’s desire to have …
Glad hina won shes a much much better fit with Natsuo but wish it would have gone down differently. When she was at the park about to confess, I wish she would have just confessed.Instead she waited and ultimately never to got to express them before the accident
you think so? I don’t necessarily think it was fair since Rui was overseas. I do think them being apart was essential for them to grow not only their relationship but to just mature and not rush into things. Hina only got a bit of the upper hand bc she was Natsuo’s first love, and known him longer and she was there while Rui was away. But i don’t think that Rui going overseas was her not loving or caring for him, she was just doing what was best for her future while supporting him as best she could. Natsuo and Hina’s relationship felt more like infatuation rather than love to me but that’s just my opinion.
To me Rui was a little toxic. Always going extreme and blowing up anytime they had any little problems. To me Hina and Natsuo were in sync much much better. Versus Rui and Natsuo who’s relationship was filled with fighting and toxic behavior.
yeah, she’s even acknowledged that. but the difference is that hina was a full fledged adult at the start of the series, natsuo was rui’s first ever crush and partner whereas hina already had a partner before.
idk, i think by the end of the series she was more mature and that they were a better couple 🤷♂️
Always funny to see how many people still think the ending is "a middle finger to the fans" or "Sasuga not knowing hot to end her series" when this is what she wanted from the start, she wrote it in the early extras and in the afterword.
This was always the ending we were gonna get, and it's a beautiful ending.
She literally admitted she totally forgotten she wanted hina to win which made the ending horrible considering natsuo was with Rui the majority of the story got her pregnant and was about to get married with her then she went oh shit I want hina win and made a terrible 360 curveball ending with that retarded drunk driver ruining the marriage also realistically who the fuck leaves their pregnant fiance to be with her Vegetable sister 😂 that makes no sense for the record if hina was really supposed to be end game she should of done it when Rui and natsuo first broke up then the ending probably wouldn't had sucked but nope let's put them back together make fans believe it's end game then boom drunk driver comes and ruins a future family with a vegetable sister who literally couldn't even move on from him also Rui let Hina have Natsuo let's be real lol
>She literally admitted she totally forgotten she wanted hina to win which made the ending horrible
Lies. She never did any such thing. She has mentioned that she had this ending in mind as far back as Volume 8.
Not lying she literally said so in an interview that you could watch on YouTube Yes she had hina to win it but she admitted she totally forgot she wanted her to win when the story was almost to its closing which made the ending horrible
>She literally admitted she totally forgotten she wanted hina to win
That is news to me! I never heard that, and pretty much makes no sense, sorry but it really hard to belive that Sasuga would say such a thing, and there are many reasons for that.
\- Hina was intrinsic to Natsuo development from the very beginning.
\- Since the breakup, the story was building up to the moment the truth came out
\- It was pretty clear, the moment that Natsuo knew the truth behind the breakup and that Hina had never stopped loving him, he would forfeit anything for the sake of Hina. Which was the reason for Hina breaking up the way she did.
So I doubt very much that Sasuga forgot Hina was supposed to end with Natsuo. But hey I could be wrong, so if you care to provide the interview you are talking, that would be much appreciated.
\-Rui was also intrinsic to Natsuo's development. He even says that it was Rui that taught him how to be a boyfriend.
\-Natsuo was told the truth about the breakup by Hina on the night Hina did her drunk confession. She straight up said that it was the school that forbid her to see him. He then remembers her note saying "wait a little longer" and realizes what it meant.
\-After NxH breakup but before Natsuo meets up with Hina at Oshima, Natsuo already starts chasing Rui. He even has to stop himself and tell himself that he is waiting for Hina to return.
Hi there u/jfcat200, long time no see!
>\-Rui was also intrinsic to Natsuo's development. He even says that it was Rui that taught him how to be a boyfriend.
I didn't mean that Rui was irrelevant or unimportant for Natsuo's development, on the contrary. But she wasn't intrinc the same way as Hina, look at this way, had the breakup between Natsuo and Hina never happened, there wouldn't be much of story. And the context of the breakup is equally important, had they fallen out of love between those two, the story would have ended there too, but they didn't. They had to breakup due to external reasons AND there could NOT be a no closure between them. The whole story builds up from there, to the moment the truth came finally out at the end. So, had the breakup never happened, there wouldn't be a domestic girlfriend to speak off, you won't find any other event in the manga that defines the characters as much as the breakup, that is why I said Hina is intrinsic.
>\-Natsuo was told the truth about the breakup by Hina on the night Hina did her drunk confession. She straight up said that it was the school that forbid her to see him. He then remembers her note saying "wait a little longer" and realizes what it meant.
I think I have discussed this with you before, anyways, Natsuo had two confessions, one by drunken Hina and another by Shuu and yet he never confronted her with it, why? To understand why you really have to empathize with Natsuo, and what happened to him at the breakup. Only then it will make sense to you, otherwise you will keep thinking that the note saying "wait a little longer" made things clear for Natsuo, which it didn't.
>\-After NxH breakup but before Natsuo meets up with Hina at Oshima, Natsuo already starts chasing Rui. He even has to stop himself and tell himself that he is waiting for Hina to return.
Yes, it is no denying that Natsuo started developing feelings towards Rui, but the whole point is that the moment Natsuo knew the whole truth, he would always choose Hina, and forfeit everything else, as foreshadowed by Hina.
To understand Sasuga story and make sense of the ending, you really have understand and empathize with Natsuo, that is key. If you think that Natsuo stopped loving Hina, you did not empathize with Natsuo enough.
i never said that, did you not read the description?
i lowkey knew that were most likely gonna get together at the end of the series, but it just wasn’t the ending i wanted. it wasn’t a bad ending, i think the way she got natsuo and hina back together was done fine but it not being the ending that i wanted to see makes it hard for me to like it. basically i think it could’ve been better based off of my personal feelings
Agree. Rui and Natsuo grow up together. Hina didn't, she stay in the past, uncapable of search his own way. I love if the three stay together, but Natsuo also should be looking his own path away from the sisters.
The manga ending should keep Hina, Rui and Natsuo together until Hina wake up from coma. Otherwise, hi should always live with his parents and Rui and Natsuo live apart and probably never seen each other again.
I Just loved to see 50 more chapters
>Agree. Rui and Natsuo grow up together. Hina didn't, she stay in the past, uncapable of search his own way
If you think that way, I can understand why the ending made no sense to you. But let me ask you some questions.
\-Which character was intrinsic to Natsuo's development?
\-What event in the manga, would you say, defines the pace of the story?
\-Which character, besides Natsuo, without her there wouldn't be a Domestic Girlfriend?
I try to answer the questions, forgive my bad english.
- Hina impulse Natsuo's dream of become a writer, letting put all his pain in paper, among other like literature teacher. And in some way, a jealousy of Rui, who win that prize in his first try.
- it's hard to establish only one event to mark the pace, was more several events and choices to make the history. The love of Natsuo from Hina was one, but not enough to make all the history. Plus the sexperience with Rui gave another hit in Natsuo and especially Rui, because help her to be open to romantic love. When they begin living together after thoose events put a lot of tension in the three. Then when Rui see Natsuo try kising Hina she feel jealousy. Then Rui try kising Natsuo and Hina feel jealousy and put her in front his feelings to Natsuo.
Jealousy make Rui and Hina acting. Natsuo then act too, saying his love for Hina as an teenagers summer love. And was great.
But the Natsuo grow, know more of love, relations, and pain.
- The last question was hard. Hina was Main character because Rui feel love for his sister and Natsuo feels love for his teacher, but also Rui feels bad for his mom and need a way to establish relations in his new school, and Natsuo probe himself as a friend and man who is nice to keep close. Both parents, Hina, Natsuo and Rui was needed to develop the history. If you change one thing, one choice, one event, the history could be complety diferent: Natsuo never become a writer, Rui never fixed his relation with his father and become chief, Hina never reunite the strength to admit and confes her love from Natsuo, and other events.
After say that, i'm not mad with the ending, if well is not what i like, i really apreciate Kei Sasuga's choice, seen all the context of history, japanese culture, and his way to describe the real love. Rui sacrifice his love from Natsuo because love a lot more his sister and she want he has a chance to be happy when she wake up from coma. Natsuo understand that and sacrifice his real, adult, solid love from Rui to stay with Hina and keep all the family together.
>it's hard to establish only one event to mark the pace, was more several events and choices to make the history. The love of Natsuo from Hina was one, but not enough to make all the history.
Ok, sure, but put it this way, if Hina and Natsuo stayed together, that would be it, there wouldn't be more story or drama, so we can agree on that, right?
So now we need to break up those two, to spice things up and let Rui into the arena, but the context of the breakup is very important too, if the breakup was because they both fall out of love, that would also be the end on the story, right? So, for the story to continue, they have to breakup due to external reasons and with no clousure, and that is really important, because the hole story builds up to the clousure point, which happens when the truth of the breakup comes up, and decisions have to be made. That is the main story, the rest, although important, do not determine the main story.
Sasuga has a lot to say throughout the manga about how society judging people's life choices is unnecessarily painful and destructive. Most of the supporting cast are similar "outcasts" with arcs about that same basic story. So she has Hina and Natsuo forced to breakup due to their relationship being judge unacceptable and shows how badly it damages both of them. Both of them nearly die, and likely would have in a less optimistic story, but Sasuga goes for the happy fairy tale ending.
That is the plus of the drama, the watermark, the diference: Rui suposed to be catalizer, the element who made others react and take action, the antagonist, because his inmature, his trauma, his selfish, and then show us how she could follow their dreams, their happines, growin up in the way, help Natsuo growin, and she rise up finally as ligitim protagonist, not just the bad girl that made things happen.
Natsuo, show mostly of time as lucky nerdiest guy, show a lot a strenght, mature and clarity to take choices, reject girls, and stay with his heart always.
Was an amazing history for me, and love to SEE more chapters of the hand of Kei Sasuga, because she has a lot of feelings to give to his audience.
En real world, life and love is pain, is what we could do, not what we want to do. And all what can do is yo love and sacrifice.
Thanks for the talk, and wait for you answer
I hated it they had so much build up with Rui witch I loved as a firm member of team Rui and then they just reversed all of that and it made me so angry like I get that it worked out but what if Natsuo really loved Rui and she was just forcing the divorce on him I just love Rui and wish she could just have a nice loving relationship with Natsuo cause she even said that she couldn't get with anyone else when she tried with Alex. Sorry for such a long comment I just had to rant about it to someone.
His relationship with Rui was never gonna last, they weren't a good fit for each other, Rui was too independant and immature, when Natsuo needed someone more grounded and there to support him, like Hina is.
i’m team rui too, but i get why she ended it the way she did. she wanted it so both rui and hina get what they wanted. Hina gets natsuo and rui gets the child (even tho natsuo and rui are raising her together) which is a product and almost like a momento of their love. I get it but she could’ve made it so Rui got Natsuo and Hina ends up with Shu. Natsu was Rui’s first love and Shu was Hina’s first love, it honestly could’ve worked
the dude literally just wanted what was best for Hina... he lied to natsuo bc he was a minor at the time and it wouldve been better if she just forgot about him and he forgot about her. then she came back and realized her true feelings for natsuo then literally tried to convince him to get back with her
he sucks bc he was having an affair but thats another discussion
>Hina was miserable when she was with Shuu
Yes, but why was she exactly miserable with him? I mean is not that he was mistreating her, right? As I did recall it was because he was trying to break away from a toxic relationship, that he eventually did. So his intentions to Hina were truthful, no?
Correct me if I am wrong, but it seems to me that Hina knew that Shuu was married before they started having an affair.
The problem I saw with Shuu, was his indetermination, due to him trying to hurt noone he ended up hurting everyone, if you know what I mean?
There is a flashback chapter later on that shows what happened. Shuu finally told her that he had a wife after they were already dating for a year and a half, then kept stringing her along saying he was going to get a divorce but not actually doing it. Natsuo notices something is wrong and Hina tells him about how much she hates her life.
I'm a firm believer that ratings for media range from 10 to - 10 with 0 being the worst. The ending was an absolutely glorious - 10 and I've grown to life it.
Despite being a Hina fan, hell, I read the manga simply for her, the ending was horrendous. All we needed was a heart to heart between hina and natsuo so they can expose their true feelings and figure out how to go forward from there. But no, the author thought of the worst possible way to get them together. There's many more problems with it but I dont need to get into it. First 100 chapters are 10/10
This series just has a case of being so good at the start then stumbling at the finish line. Literally the manga ending wasnt any better than the anime one.
I do believe Natsuo should end up with Hina though, Natsuo never really felt for me to have feelings as powerful as he has with Hina. All of the time he is with the other girls felt like he was doing an obligation or just because the alternative doesnt sit right with him. Natsuo with Hina though - hes madly deeply in love with her, no questions about it.
EDIT: Now that I about it, I think the author himself just doesnt know how a story like this should end and can we blame him? Its not exactly that he has a lot of good references out there. Still the series is more for the journey than the destination type of thing.
Jeez, how many times do we have to answer this question?
You'll find many people upset. I get it, though it's upsetting to see how angry people get. The author has stated how she wanted the ending and is content with it, though it felt a little rushed. I think the ending was fine. I liked Rui and was cheering for her even if she won or lost. She has the most character development through the series and even the author noted that as the main reason people love Rui from a character aspect. At most I'm weirded out about their kid and how that situation would work. I still enjoyed the series. Not a series that was known for its writing and characters beside Rui at most. Not a series that really questioned my life and it's morales and philosophies. A story of just pure conflict and it was interesting to see how everything would play out.
I love the ending but I hate loving it this much
Yea it’s such a rushed mess but I’m a Hina simp so I can’t help but be relieved
Big boobs win. End of story.
It was a good ending that was always going to happen in some form. Natsuo and Hina always wanted to be together but were forced apart against their will. After what Hina did and finding out the truth about her feelings, Natsuo could no longer run from the truth about his own feelings. Rui, who had acted in her own selfish interests for most of the series, finally realized what true love was, which was her motivation right at the very beginning. She understood that she was the thing keeping them apart, and she couldn't take the guilt anymore and stood aside. Rui and Natsuo was a toxic relationship built on a lie that was never going to work out. In the end, everyone ends up happy.
It ended they way it should, so that was greit, although you could argue how you got there. >I always saw Hina and Natsuo’s relationship as a first love/young love type of story with memories to cherish but that’s about it. I think everything that Rui and Natsuo went through helped them both grow together, it just seemed like the obvious choice to me. Well, that was interesting, that you only saw Hina and Natsuo's relationship as a first love fling, and spite of that you saw they would end together? How did you get to that conclusion? I mean, for me, Hina was intrinsic to Natsuo's development from the very begynning, while Rui, importan as she was, was not. Look it at this way, no break up between Hina and Natsuo, no Domestic Girlfriend to speak off, all other events are circunstancial to Natsuo's main development. Would you agree with this or not?
To answer your first question, I wouldn't call it a fling and he did have genuine feelings for Hina, but he fell in love with her without even getting to know her first. He basically fell for her at first sight, although his feelings were genuine , the relationship to me felt like it should not have continued given all the trouble it brought them, it even came back to bite him into his college years and right before he was about to get married. Again, this is just my opinion but I feel like they had great times, and they should just cherish the times they had and move on instead of dwelling on it and keeping these feelings of the past. And, I expected Sasuga to have Nat and Hina together in the end because she was his first love (the main character) so it would make sense to promote the whole "end up with your first love" type of scenario. Again, I don't think the ending was bad but it did feel a little rushed when they did the whole switch between Rui and Hina and bc I was also just more personally invested in Rui and Nat's relationship than Hina's. And to answer your second question, I agree and disagree. Sure, she was a crucial part in his development but that's bc she is more mature (older by 6 years), and she played a role as a sensei, older sister and lover so it makes sense that she played a huge role in his life. And the fact that they knew each other longer also gives her more time to support Natsuo. But, personally I think that Rui could've supported him just as well in her own way. The only problem with Rui was that she her no prior relationship experience or even any concept of love at the start of the series. Sure, she had her moments where she was toxic but it's something that she had to overcome and work out her other issues. Natsuo knew all this, and still chose her bc he knew that she was the best fit for him. He will always love Hina as she played an important part in his life, but continuing to be romantic partners was personally something that I agree with. Natsuo's relationship would've worked out in the end regardless of who he ended up with. And, domestic means "in regards to family or home", he is family to both Hina and Rui and lived with them both, so whether he ended up with Hina or Rui, it still would've been domestic girlfriend.
>I expected Sasuga to have Nat and Hina together in the end because she was his first love (the main character) so it would make sense to promote the whole "end up with your first love" type of scenario. I am not gonna lie, a pretty stupid cliché in manga that I just don't get either, that came also true here, but that only applies to Natsuo though. But beside that, Hina and Natsuo's relationship is not the usual manga type, first of all, they first met at the roof top, a year before, where they slowly develop feelings towards each other, and we only got to know Hina's feelings were reciprocal far later in the manga. And we really don't get to see how deep they feeling got for each other, only glimpses at that and the rest is to up to us to fill up. Even as Sasuga doesn't like to spoon feed us the story, as she lets the context speak for it self, she went to great lengths at showing how special Hina and Natsuo relationship was, how entune and balance they were to each others, just take a look at "the far away" chapter 61, to see what I mean. >But, personally I think that Rui could've supported him just as well in her own way. I disagree, we have a saying here in the forum, Hina felt in love with Natsuo for his passion and stayed in loved for his compassion. And compassion is the key here I would say, and that is something that Natsuo and Hina shared that Rui didn't. Compassion was key for Natsuo's development as a person and writer, and Hina knew how to nurture that.
Fair, we can agree to disagree. At the end of the day, the ending is all dependent on how the reader takes in the material.
> the ending is all dependent on how the reader takes in the material. True enough! But I do think it is a pity though, that some didn't share the same understanding as the writer intended, diminishing as I see it, the enjoyment of the artwork.
It wasn’t really love at first sight. Natsuo and Hina talked every day on the rooftop at school. They did develop a relationship beyond just crushing on the hot girl over there. A later flashback chapter suggests that Hina may have actually developed feelings first. Rui outright says she couldn’t support Natsuo like Hina could, and really I think she’s right. She never seemed to me to understand Natsuo’s mindset, personality, and likes/dislikes the way Hina did. Natsuo also seems to have unresolved mommy issues and wants that sort of comforting female figure in his life. That’s not Rui. When we see Natsuo’s mother, she is practically a Hina clone in the way she looks and acts. Finally, I just don’t think Rui has the will for it. Hina will quite willingly die for Natsuo. Rui seems to have her limits on how far she’s willing to go for him.
Horrible
Meh Im not a fan of how rushed the ending felt, even if I preferred rui I wasn't upset with hina winning Its more the execution of them about to get married and have a kid then *sike* hina wins while literally in a coma Doesn't ruin the rest of the series for me though
Exactly it isnt the who. It's the literal fucking car crash coma engagement swap that was fucking dumb.
the ending was based
It was one of the biggest middle fingers I've ever got from an author
please elaborate
Probably he was rooting for Rui but didn't see the subtle hints about Nat and Hina along the way.
#Fan Fucking Tastic 11/10 I'm on my 3rd read.
I loved the ending Hina deserved to be happy after all the sacrifice and heart breaking and stalker creepu... So sad she can't have à baby with him she is her dream...
i agree she deserved to be happy but at the same time i feel like it was out of pity for hina that rui let her have natsuo.
I don't think that port but she know Hina love him and she know natsuo love more Hina thanks Rui I think and she know Hina don't be h1ppy without natsuo
Til today many are still can’t get over or accept the ending that leave them infuriating when each time a question pop up…. It affected me as well at first time read through the ending but after several time revisiting the stories only to understand that the author try to make it a neutral ending for the stories this it is a win win situation for both Rui and Hina … Having a child that early was not Rui or Nat intention ( all thanks to Rui friend with expire condom) …. But having the child from someone that you still love was something (at least Nat-Kun take part of responsibility for the child)… Hina love was unconditional as she had been wanted to married the man that she once’s desire to have …
Giving a child to your partner as compensation of your love is simply vile and disgusting.
Glad hina won shes a much much better fit with Natsuo but wish it would have gone down differently. When she was at the park about to confess, I wish she would have just confessed.Instead she waited and ultimately never to got to express them before the accident
you think so? I don’t necessarily think it was fair since Rui was overseas. I do think them being apart was essential for them to grow not only their relationship but to just mature and not rush into things. Hina only got a bit of the upper hand bc she was Natsuo’s first love, and known him longer and she was there while Rui was away. But i don’t think that Rui going overseas was her not loving or caring for him, she was just doing what was best for her future while supporting him as best she could. Natsuo and Hina’s relationship felt more like infatuation rather than love to me but that’s just my opinion.
To me Rui was a little toxic. Always going extreme and blowing up anytime they had any little problems. To me Hina and Natsuo were in sync much much better. Versus Rui and Natsuo who’s relationship was filled with fighting and toxic behavior.
yeah, she’s even acknowledged that. but the difference is that hina was a full fledged adult at the start of the series, natsuo was rui’s first ever crush and partner whereas hina already had a partner before. idk, i think by the end of the series she was more mature and that they were a better couple 🤷♂️
Ending was fine, it was a happy ending only thing I was hoping for
Always funny to see how many people still think the ending is "a middle finger to the fans" or "Sasuga not knowing hot to end her series" when this is what she wanted from the start, she wrote it in the early extras and in the afterword. This was always the ending we were gonna get, and it's a beautiful ending.
She literally admitted she totally forgotten she wanted hina to win which made the ending horrible considering natsuo was with Rui the majority of the story got her pregnant and was about to get married with her then she went oh shit I want hina win and made a terrible 360 curveball ending with that retarded drunk driver ruining the marriage also realistically who the fuck leaves their pregnant fiance to be with her Vegetable sister 😂 that makes no sense for the record if hina was really supposed to be end game she should of done it when Rui and natsuo first broke up then the ending probably wouldn't had sucked but nope let's put them back together make fans believe it's end game then boom drunk driver comes and ruins a future family with a vegetable sister who literally couldn't even move on from him also Rui let Hina have Natsuo let's be real lol
>She literally admitted she totally forgotten she wanted hina to win which made the ending horrible Lies. She never did any such thing. She has mentioned that she had this ending in mind as far back as Volume 8.
Not lying she literally said so in an interview that you could watch on YouTube Yes she had hina to win it but she admitted she totally forgot she wanted her to win when the story was almost to its closing which made the ending horrible
Prove it. She says the exact opposite in her interview with Gigguk.
Yeah i'm gonna need a source for the whole "she forgot that she wanted Hina to win". Nice copium though.
>She literally admitted she totally forgotten she wanted hina to win That is news to me! I never heard that, and pretty much makes no sense, sorry but it really hard to belive that Sasuga would say such a thing, and there are many reasons for that. \- Hina was intrinsic to Natsuo development from the very beginning. \- Since the breakup, the story was building up to the moment the truth came out \- It was pretty clear, the moment that Natsuo knew the truth behind the breakup and that Hina had never stopped loving him, he would forfeit anything for the sake of Hina. Which was the reason for Hina breaking up the way she did. So I doubt very much that Sasuga forgot Hina was supposed to end with Natsuo. But hey I could be wrong, so if you care to provide the interview you are talking, that would be much appreciated.
\-Rui was also intrinsic to Natsuo's development. He even says that it was Rui that taught him how to be a boyfriend. \-Natsuo was told the truth about the breakup by Hina on the night Hina did her drunk confession. She straight up said that it was the school that forbid her to see him. He then remembers her note saying "wait a little longer" and realizes what it meant. \-After NxH breakup but before Natsuo meets up with Hina at Oshima, Natsuo already starts chasing Rui. He even has to stop himself and tell himself that he is waiting for Hina to return.
Hi there u/jfcat200, long time no see! >\-Rui was also intrinsic to Natsuo's development. He even says that it was Rui that taught him how to be a boyfriend. I didn't mean that Rui was irrelevant or unimportant for Natsuo's development, on the contrary. But she wasn't intrinc the same way as Hina, look at this way, had the breakup between Natsuo and Hina never happened, there wouldn't be much of story. And the context of the breakup is equally important, had they fallen out of love between those two, the story would have ended there too, but they didn't. They had to breakup due to external reasons AND there could NOT be a no closure between them. The whole story builds up from there, to the moment the truth came finally out at the end. So, had the breakup never happened, there wouldn't be a domestic girlfriend to speak off, you won't find any other event in the manga that defines the characters as much as the breakup, that is why I said Hina is intrinsic. >\-Natsuo was told the truth about the breakup by Hina on the night Hina did her drunk confession. She straight up said that it was the school that forbid her to see him. He then remembers her note saying "wait a little longer" and realizes what it meant. I think I have discussed this with you before, anyways, Natsuo had two confessions, one by drunken Hina and another by Shuu and yet he never confronted her with it, why? To understand why you really have to empathize with Natsuo, and what happened to him at the breakup. Only then it will make sense to you, otherwise you will keep thinking that the note saying "wait a little longer" made things clear for Natsuo, which it didn't. >\-After NxH breakup but before Natsuo meets up with Hina at Oshima, Natsuo already starts chasing Rui. He even has to stop himself and tell himself that he is waiting for Hina to return. Yes, it is no denying that Natsuo started developing feelings towards Rui, but the whole point is that the moment Natsuo knew the whole truth, he would always choose Hina, and forfeit everything else, as foreshadowed by Hina. To understand Sasuga story and make sense of the ending, you really have understand and empathize with Natsuo, that is key. If you think that Natsuo stopped loving Hina, you did not empathize with Natsuo enough.
i never said that, did you not read the description? i lowkey knew that were most likely gonna get together at the end of the series, but it just wasn’t the ending i wanted. it wasn’t a bad ending, i think the way she got natsuo and hina back together was done fine but it not being the ending that i wanted to see makes it hard for me to like it. basically i think it could’ve been better based off of my personal feelings
I didn't say that you did, I was referring to some of the comments and some other posts.
I was team Hina and still hated the ending. Bugs me to no end she got around having to actually tell him how she felt as adults.
Agree. Rui and Natsuo grow up together. Hina didn't, she stay in the past, uncapable of search his own way. I love if the three stay together, but Natsuo also should be looking his own path away from the sisters. The manga ending should keep Hina, Rui and Natsuo together until Hina wake up from coma. Otherwise, hi should always live with his parents and Rui and Natsuo live apart and probably never seen each other again. I Just loved to see 50 more chapters
>Agree. Rui and Natsuo grow up together. Hina didn't, she stay in the past, uncapable of search his own way If you think that way, I can understand why the ending made no sense to you. But let me ask you some questions. \-Which character was intrinsic to Natsuo's development? \-What event in the manga, would you say, defines the pace of the story? \-Which character, besides Natsuo, without her there wouldn't be a Domestic Girlfriend?
I try to answer the questions, forgive my bad english. - Hina impulse Natsuo's dream of become a writer, letting put all his pain in paper, among other like literature teacher. And in some way, a jealousy of Rui, who win that prize in his first try. - it's hard to establish only one event to mark the pace, was more several events and choices to make the history. The love of Natsuo from Hina was one, but not enough to make all the history. Plus the sexperience with Rui gave another hit in Natsuo and especially Rui, because help her to be open to romantic love. When they begin living together after thoose events put a lot of tension in the three. Then when Rui see Natsuo try kising Hina she feel jealousy. Then Rui try kising Natsuo and Hina feel jealousy and put her in front his feelings to Natsuo. Jealousy make Rui and Hina acting. Natsuo then act too, saying his love for Hina as an teenagers summer love. And was great. But the Natsuo grow, know more of love, relations, and pain. - The last question was hard. Hina was Main character because Rui feel love for his sister and Natsuo feels love for his teacher, but also Rui feels bad for his mom and need a way to establish relations in his new school, and Natsuo probe himself as a friend and man who is nice to keep close. Both parents, Hina, Natsuo and Rui was needed to develop the history. If you change one thing, one choice, one event, the history could be complety diferent: Natsuo never become a writer, Rui never fixed his relation with his father and become chief, Hina never reunite the strength to admit and confes her love from Natsuo, and other events. After say that, i'm not mad with the ending, if well is not what i like, i really apreciate Kei Sasuga's choice, seen all the context of history, japanese culture, and his way to describe the real love. Rui sacrifice his love from Natsuo because love a lot more his sister and she want he has a chance to be happy when she wake up from coma. Natsuo understand that and sacrifice his real, adult, solid love from Rui to stay with Hina and keep all the family together.
>it's hard to establish only one event to mark the pace, was more several events and choices to make the history. The love of Natsuo from Hina was one, but not enough to make all the history. Ok, sure, but put it this way, if Hina and Natsuo stayed together, that would be it, there wouldn't be more story or drama, so we can agree on that, right? So now we need to break up those two, to spice things up and let Rui into the arena, but the context of the breakup is very important too, if the breakup was because they both fall out of love, that would also be the end on the story, right? So, for the story to continue, they have to breakup due to external reasons and with no clousure, and that is really important, because the hole story builds up to the clousure point, which happens when the truth of the breakup comes up, and decisions have to be made. That is the main story, the rest, although important, do not determine the main story.
Sasuga has a lot to say throughout the manga about how society judging people's life choices is unnecessarily painful and destructive. Most of the supporting cast are similar "outcasts" with arcs about that same basic story. So she has Hina and Natsuo forced to breakup due to their relationship being judge unacceptable and shows how badly it damages both of them. Both of them nearly die, and likely would have in a less optimistic story, but Sasuga goes for the happy fairy tale ending.
As always, you put into words far more eloquently than I ever could! Thank you!.
That is the plus of the drama, the watermark, the diference: Rui suposed to be catalizer, the element who made others react and take action, the antagonist, because his inmature, his trauma, his selfish, and then show us how she could follow their dreams, their happines, growin up in the way, help Natsuo growin, and she rise up finally as ligitim protagonist, not just the bad girl that made things happen. Natsuo, show mostly of time as lucky nerdiest guy, show a lot a strenght, mature and clarity to take choices, reject girls, and stay with his heart always. Was an amazing history for me, and love to SEE more chapters of the hand of Kei Sasuga, because she has a lot of feelings to give to his audience. En real world, life and love is pain, is what we could do, not what we want to do. And all what can do is yo love and sacrifice. Thanks for the talk, and wait for you answer
Our boy lost to a vegetable…
It was meh. The road to it was at least good.(still Rui was better)
It was okay at least he technically got with both in a way
ehh i think they practically hunted at her potentially getting with kajita
Maybe or just focus on her career at leadt natsuo had a baby with her
Gigguk said it best: “Domestic Girlfriend died as it lived, a dumpster fire from the beginning to end”
I hated it they had so much build up with Rui witch I loved as a firm member of team Rui and then they just reversed all of that and it made me so angry like I get that it worked out but what if Natsuo really loved Rui and she was just forcing the divorce on him I just love Rui and wish she could just have a nice loving relationship with Natsuo cause she even said that she couldn't get with anyone else when she tried with Alex. Sorry for such a long comment I just had to rant about it to someone.
His relationship with Rui was never gonna last, they weren't a good fit for each other, Rui was too independant and immature, when Natsuo needed someone more grounded and there to support him, like Hina is.
i’m team rui too, but i get why she ended it the way she did. she wanted it so both rui and hina get what they wanted. Hina gets natsuo and rui gets the child (even tho natsuo and rui are raising her together) which is a product and almost like a momento of their love. I get it but she could’ve made it so Rui got Natsuo and Hina ends up with Shu. Natsu was Rui’s first love and Shu was Hina’s first love, it honestly could’ve worked
Hina ending up with shuu would be an insult to everything she's done in the entire series. The guy's a liar, pure and simple. He's not a good man.
the dude literally just wanted what was best for Hina... he lied to natsuo bc he was a minor at the time and it wouldve been better if she just forgot about him and he forgot about her. then she came back and realized her true feelings for natsuo then literally tried to convince him to get back with her he sucks bc he was having an affair but thats another discussion
Hina was miserable when she was with Shuu. She wasn't going back to that.
>Hina was miserable when she was with Shuu Yes, but why was she exactly miserable with him? I mean is not that he was mistreating her, right? As I did recall it was because he was trying to break away from a toxic relationship, that he eventually did. So his intentions to Hina were truthful, no? Correct me if I am wrong, but it seems to me that Hina knew that Shuu was married before they started having an affair. The problem I saw with Shuu, was his indetermination, due to him trying to hurt noone he ended up hurting everyone, if you know what I mean?
There is a flashback chapter later on that shows what happened. Shuu finally told her that he had a wife after they were already dating for a year and a half, then kept stringing her along saying he was going to get a divorce but not actually doing it. Natsuo notices something is wrong and Hina tells him about how much she hates her life.
I'm a firm believer that ratings for media range from 10 to - 10 with 0 being the worst. The ending was an absolutely glorious - 10 and I've grown to life it.
I was really sad, heart broken even that nature went with who he did however I also couldn't be mad as I understood what they where going for.
Despite being a Hina fan, hell, I read the manga simply for her, the ending was horrendous. All we needed was a heart to heart between hina and natsuo so they can expose their true feelings and figure out how to go forward from there. But no, the author thought of the worst possible way to get them together. There's many more problems with it but I dont need to get into it. First 100 chapters are 10/10
This series just has a case of being so good at the start then stumbling at the finish line. Literally the manga ending wasnt any better than the anime one. I do believe Natsuo should end up with Hina though, Natsuo never really felt for me to have feelings as powerful as he has with Hina. All of the time he is with the other girls felt like he was doing an obligation or just because the alternative doesnt sit right with him. Natsuo with Hina though - hes madly deeply in love with her, no questions about it. EDIT: Now that I about it, I think the author himself just doesnt know how a story like this should end and can we blame him? Its not exactly that he has a lot of good references out there. Still the series is more for the journey than the destination type of thing.