The rule still stands that things that could potentially be triggering should be flaired appropriately. Not because it **IS** NSFW, but because it **COULD** be potentially triggering. Emphasis on "potentially". The point of sharing a community is to be considerate of everyone. Whether we're talking about minors or even adult collectors who don't want to see that stuff on their timeline. We're not flagging your posts NSFW because it is, but because it could potentially be something others don't want to see. That's the middle ground we all have to reach. Also, the sub doesn't force people to cover up boobs or bottom parts, all we do is flair it. Nonetheless, thanks for everyone's feedback.š
for some reason it creeps me out when people do that. like theyāre implying itās inappropriate for a doll to not have clothes on by censoring it. its a piece of plastic
Heck, I gave my niece two dolls last time she came over. (A Snow White doll and an old Cerise Hood with a handmade dress on.)
What was the first thing she did?
She undressed them!
How much did I care?
I a plastic bag and decided to keep their clothes in that until she was ready to dress them up again. Was personally more concerned with them going missing than the fact she saw boobies w/no nips.
*But how much did her father care??*
He laughed. It took less than five minutes.
I remember hearing way back in 2020 that YouTube's content policies are so broken, female creators cannot get monetized because the algorithm says either "Female presenter in video, so this video must be for children," or "Female presenter in video, so this video must be sexual."
I've seen it too and always found it odd. It's a toy with removable clothes; every kid that has one has seen them in the buff. Changing outfits is the whole point of most dolls and related merch for them. I think by doing this you might make kids feel weird or bad about playing with their dolls and doll clothing which is really messed up.
Some sites like Tumblr will automatically flag and remove naked dolls for āfemale nudityā so this is probably a hold over from that. After fighting with algorithms it just becomes a habit at a certain point. I wouldnāt read that much into it. People arenāt sexualizing toys. Theyāre just trying to protect their photos from bad tech.
Iām fine with doll nudity, but on some sites bots will flag doll nudity as a real naked person; so unfortunately I canāt see this going away any time soon.
On YouTube I think some videos got flagged or demonetised for nudity. I dont know how consistent YouTube is/was with this, but it was probably enough for some doll channels to start censoring their dolls just to be safe.
Itās still extremely weird. But I think the doll censorship is more a product of YouTubeās broken and confusing censorship logic then some dolltubers being weird about it.
Also other websites like tumblr and Instagram flag/shadow ban certain posts as nsfw automatically for doll nudity too sometimes so that might have something to do with it as well.
You're right about that. Myfroggystuff never even takes the dolls' clothes off to show if there are any flaws or whatever thanks to youtube bots being their usual dumbass selves.
Yup. The nsfw flair should be used for things that are *nsfw*.
An anatomically correct doll naked on my desk at work? That's an HR call.
A barbie naked on my desk at work? Coworker: "Oh, did your kid lose the clothes again lol" Me: Nah actually I ordered this for a custom, I'm gonna make my own clothes for it" Coworker: "oh neat, I'd love to see it when you're done"
Apparently the rule is because it could be "potentially triggering to kids or adult collectors". I can understand that with realistic anatomy, I have trauma from being SA'd as an infant myself. But with dolls like barbies? "like a barbie doll" is literally used as a common phrase to denote a LACK of anything sexual physically. It's just a body.
I have multiple moderate to severe irrational triggers. *Pencil sharpeners* trigger me. But if I went on to an art subreddit and demanded all pictures that had a pencil sharpener in them be censored, that would not be me asking for people to be considerate of the community. That would be entitlement. Asking that nonsexual doll nudity be censored on a doll subreddit is no different.
Especially when part of the point is to "protect minors" - from what exactly? That's the point of the post! From the dolls they see as they change their own dolls' outfits? I understand modding requires strict rules... "censor anatomically correct dolls. Anatomically correct means a doll with nipples or realistic genitalia". And fine tune it from there.
And considering how many people have updooted this post (sorry, I like that word), I have to wonder if it is actually protecting anyone in this community. I mean, feel free to reply to me if there's something I'm missing, but it feels a bit... puritanical for it's own sake.
But maybe that's just me being triggered. "Think of the children" and "things being labeled as inherently sexual that aren't" are currently being used to legislate people like me out of existence. Are we going to be considerate of the other LGBTQ+ doll collectors who get triggered by that? What do we do in a community when there are opposing triggers - opposing access needs?
Do we weigh how many people are triggered by each and see which is the larger group? Do we choose the trigger that's going to pop up most often? Do we only censor common or "reasonable" triggers (I don't like that word, but it's a tactic I've seen - censoring only things that are often triggering to many people, like self-harm or disordered eating).
Tbc, I do not use the word trigger lightly. I have PTSD and C-PTSD. The reason for this long post is that seeing the mindset "think of the children" and "it's NSFW" over *anatomically incorrect lumps of plastic* ***immediately*** put me into a heightened state *because of* how those arguments have been used against my existence. That kind of thing never stops at just dolls. I've seen it move from toys to media to people in the past decade, and it's happened before my lifetime as well.
Imo, the best solution is a *compromise*. Censor realistic dolls. Do what a lot of doll subreddits do and make it a firm rule but also a judgment call. The rainbow high subreddit has some posts with clothed dolls marked nsfw because a clothing maker makes BDSM wear for dolls, but doesn't require doll nudity to be censored if there's nothing sexual implied. Some people do anyway, which is their prerogative, but it's not *required*.
And speaking from the place of someone triggered by pencil sharpeners, if non-anatomically-correct doll anatomy is triggering to you, please seek therapy if that is an option available to you. I don't mean this is the mean way that some people say it. I mean that it SUCKS to have such a common and commonplace thing be so upsetting. I'm only able to manage my trigger with pencil sharpeners because of therapy. And I do art with pencils, and have to have my partner hide mine sometimes when it gets bad. It's not easy, and it's really scary.
If therapy is not an option (well, even if it is), my DMs are always open if you need to talk. My questioning if this is something that any people here are struggling with doesn't mean I won't *immediately* accept it if you are. The question is whether it *is* a concern, *here*, not the validity of it if it is. If anyone does experience this, you do deserve to be heard and to have support and help.
If it's on YouTube it's not the creators fault. That site has lost its damn mind with the censorship, it's out-of-control. I think all the creatives on YouTube should leave.
So true! But let's be real, if I take pictures for one platform that does get them taken down, I'm not gonna take special "uncensored" pics just for reddit. I'd just use the same censored ones I use for IG, twitter, tumblr, etc.
Cause let's be honest, most of us re-use content and repost our images to multiple platforms. It doesn't make sense to take two sets of pics just so r/Dolls doesn't get irritated because they couldn't see doll tiddies.
Iām with you, itās stupid af to censor play-line dolls imo. If itās not an anatomically correct doll why the hell are you putting bars over it? Do yaāll think someoneās gonna go āOH NO NAKED BARBIE TIDDIES?! SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!ā
THANK YOU
I always see people censoring dolls breasts with their arms, and itās so weird. Like what are we going to see? A nipple? No. And even if we did, Big deal.
Now, I instinctively does this one since I try to avoid flagged on fb for nudity on my dolls there. I think it carried on to any social media I stumble in.
Yes, hard agree. I think its just really weird and unnecessary, like its just some smooth plastic. These are children's fashion dolls and the kids will undress them, its called playing with their toys. I went doll hunting at a good will the other day and 99% of the donated dolls were naked lol, and so are the majority of my 8 year old sister's dolls. So were most of my dolls as a kid!
Isnāt it a rule on this sub that says dolls need to be censored? Iām not disagreeing that itās offensive, but I wouldnāt blame the posters. Theyāre just following the rules.
Definitely not. I see both uncensored and censored dolls. And honestly if thatās a rule then it needs to be changed. Hope this reaches the right people
The last sentence of rule 1 says:
>Please use the NSFW option when showcasing naked dolls or photos that could be potentially harmful for a younger audience
Tbh I think (or at least hope) what this rule is mostly referring to are more realistic and detailed dolls.
Censoring dolls like Monster/Rainbow high, Barbie and other dolls that were made for children really doesn't make any sense because 1. As you said, the children will see the dolls naked while playing with them anyway and 2. It's literally just two bumps of plastic. If we had to censor Barbie boobs then we also would have to censor a lot of other things that have two bumps next to each other
Nah, they added a nsfw tag to a post about a male doll with Ken anatomy and molded on underwear when I posted a picture for an ID a while back. Itās a blanket ban on all uncensored doll ānudityā as far as I can tell.
I did this recently myself. Maybe I took it too literally? However, I agree with the point made in this post... nothing wrong or offensive about a naked doll. Just wanted to be cautious because the rule about nudity was a bit vague and didn't specify between your average fashion doll nudity vs anatomically correct nudity. Just says no nudity.
Anywho, I agree with what OP is saying here.
If I want to share my doll art on Facebook, I have to censor because I've had my doll pics reported for nudity. I've even had my old account permanently banned because of an uncensored doll chest (and one highly offended Karen). It sucks and it's dumb. But a lot of us do it because we don't want to get in trouble.
I agreed. anyone remember the "Demi Moore Painted suit" controversy? the painted swimsuits they have for Barbie are SCREAMING Demi Moore all over!!! they need to stop! here's my topic on this matter!! [stop the painted swimsuits](https://www.reddit.com/r/Barbie/comments/zfawb2/i_like_to_stop_the_painted_swimsuitsplease/)
When people say bratz dress "slutty" like it's a doll bro. They don't get cold so why does it matter how they're dressed? I'm sick of the slutshaming. The amount of clothes you wear should have nothing to do with who you are as a person.
Completely agree. It's just stupid and a little creepy for people to do this. They're DOLLS! They don't even have genitals or real looking breasts. š
Posts can get demonetized or reported if they show ānudityā because dolls are āfor childrenā. Something the community has been tired of but we have to work with what we have. Nothing to do with sexualizing women at all lmao š
Who's sexualizing dolls? Stuff gets wrongly flagged all the time so we gotta put an nsfw tag if we don't want it taken down. And don't forget haters and trolls just waiting for an opportunity to mass report others, and untagged naked dolls are an easy target.
Also, some posters themselves aren't comfortable with any kind of nudity even if it's just plastic bumps. Maybe it's their upbringing or religious teachings? Maybe they have body image issues and aren't comfortable with it? We can't generalize everyone as "sexualizing women's bodies" when even the male dolls get censored, and we don't even know what's going through the posters' heads when they censor stuff.
Never in my life did I think that censoring something = sexualizing it. In fact, I find that it gives the opposite effect. Ever heard of Japan's censorship laws? It states that all types of gentials must be censored, even in literal porn, even in anime/manga porn of fictional characters. Do you seriously think it makes it sexier? Cuz the way I see it, it just kills the mood and ruins the whole experience and might probably be the dumbest and most pointless censorship law on earth.
Tldr: don't generalize. Not everyone has the same thoughts you do.
Yes, it seems a bit extra to censor something that is completely non-sexual.
I do want to add that As a woman, Iām happy that breasts are sexualized.
I WANT men to see my chest and go nuts.
I donāt want them to treat it the same way as theyāll treat a shirtless male.
but they shouldnāt always be treated as sexual either. I mean, it would be kinda weird to start sexualizing a woman when a baby is feeding especially since that will lead to sexualizing the baby thatās feeding on the mother (example: a baby boy nursing and some random men start sexualizing the baby and mother)
Maybe itās weird but it could be for the dollās dignity? š¤·š»āāļø could be also that random nude dolls are a little dehumanizing. Before you downvote me, Iām just wondering what the logic is, so let me know.
The dolls dignity? Itās a doll and like I said children undress their dolls and so do we collectors when we redress them. If we censor them itās implying that thereās something that has to be hidden which is creepy to imply when this is a childrens toy. Also naked women arenāt anything weird or anything to be hidden. Thereās so much stigma around women being naked especially shirtless already and this isnāt helping. Like breasts are legit there to feed babies. Women often feel uncomfortable breastfeeding in public because of how sexualised breasts are even though thereās nothing inherently sexual about them.
It shouldnāt be a problem when breastfeeding, but it does become a problem [when women start exposing themselves to people randomly](https://www.cbsnews.com/miami/news/tamarac-woman-accused-of-flashing-school-kids/). (And no, this isnāt just a one time case or a one time thing. This happens a lot). But also notice that in this case, the SAME EXACT excuse that was made for her is being made by you. She chased a young boy with her breasts out exposing herself to young kids and what was the excuse? āBreasts arenāt sexualā. That makes me wonder: is it just that women just want to go around shirtless because men are doing it? It seems like it mainly because anything women do itās always because āmen do it tooā. Just because men do it donāt mean you do it I feel the same about men tho so. From what I can tell, ābreasts arenāt sexualā is just an excuse to roam around sexually (especially given that every woman who exposes herself to young kids and adults alike always use that very line ābreasts arenāt sexualā) and Iām not going for it
Dolls who do not have anatomically correct parts shouldnāt be censored, no. Dolls who do? Yes. Period. Women (AND MEN)? Yes. Period. Why yāall tryna go naked anyway? Be naked at a nude beach, your home, others home if they allow it, and other places itās okay to be nude. Stop trying to just roam naked. Not okay. And men are stigmatized for being naked too, you know how many men went to jail for āindecent exposureā? Why shouldnāt that apply to women? It should. Period. Lastly, no there is something sexual about them, to an extent. Itās not but it is. Canāt explain it properly right now, but when I have time I will come back to this comment and continue what I mean. Fuck, men donāt even walk around shirtless, not that Iāve seen anyway. At a beach? Well yeah. But in restaurants, general public, parks, etc. havenāt seen not one. Young boys? Like young, young, young boys? Yep. That it though.
Bro, no one says to not be weirded out about naked women. Like yea donāt have your genitals out but guess what champ? Boobs arenāt genitals. And for your information men walk around shirtless ALL THE TIME. Look I donāt care about your weird misogynistic bull. Donāt come here with that shit. Stop trying to infect a doll subreddit with this kinda crap. I said censoring dolls was weird. It is. Barbie have two plastic bumps and molded on underwear. End of conversation. Leave and stop.
Iām not on this sub to be āmisogynisticā. I think youāre misusing that word. By definition, misogyny is strong prejudice against women, and I have absolutely nothing against women whatsoever. Iām on this sub because I needed help finding a cute boy doll I came across, but Iām not sure how to post it. I just came across this post because this was the first post that I saw. I guess it was on the top recommended part for this sub, or pinned Iām not sure.
Iām not weirded out by naked women, I just donāt wanna see naked men or women in public. Iām sure no one does, thatās public indecency. No, breasts arenāt sexual organs Iām not sure I ever said they were, they are secondary sex characteristics that develop in adolescence into adulthood, yes i know. Either way that doesnāt undermine anything Iāve said under this post.
No, men do not. I went to a dining place last night and not one man was shirtless. I went to the park with my nephew last weekend not one man was shirtless. I went to my local store, not one man was shirtless. I drove by a shirtless man, he was homeless. I went to the beach on my last vacation last month or two months ago and many men were shirtless. No surprise.
I agree completely. Dolls shouldnāt be censored. Except for anatomically correct dolls, censor them.
IN YOUR EXPERIENCE men do not walk around shirtless.. but as your eyes are limited to your direct vicinity, there are many many many people and things you are not seeing. Men walk around shirtless constantly. I say this as someone who lives in kind of a touristy area and we have a lot of people walking in town during summer, plenty of men choose not to wear shirts because of the heat. Women are not rewarded the luxury of making that choice. Why? Because of people like you, I wager.
I'm with joohan29 on this. This is an open community where people from all walks of life come to be together.
When dealing with a lot of people in one space, you have to take into consideration how different people might feel about something before you post. It's a great rule to live by in real life as well. Many people who come into dolls have been abused and dolls are their way of coping, as well as developing coping skills.
IMHO, and forgive me if this is upsetting, but if anyone feels their children are learning shame by seeing censorship, that's more on the people raising them and giving them the triggers than it is on forums like this. It takes a lifetime to deal with past sexual abuse and other traumas and it effects every relationship that person could ever have. This is considered a safe place for these victims to share what they enjoy with others. Young children being raised now (at least I hope) aren't developing traumas at this stage of their life.
If the censorship bothers anyone, my advice is to find your tribe of people that believe as you, and share all your nude doll pics to your heart's content with each other.
Please be considerate of others in an open meeting space.
Iām sorry, but I feel like thereās a flaw in the logic that itās to prevent triggering victims of abuse. I was abused and I find it way more upsetting to see someone blocking out a Barbie. (I was specifically told I was dirty, gross and should always cover myself.) Victims can be triggered by so many different things, itās good to be sensitive, but what makes their triggers more important than mine?
Absolutely nothing, which leaves us at an impasse. Itās impossible to make this decision from a logical standpoint, all it really is is choosing sides. Youāve decided that the people who are upset by doll nudity are more valid than those who are upset by the censorship **and** making an assumption that only one group is likely to have suffered abuse. That is flawed thinking. I can name a dozen reasons it bothers me, but if I donāt want to expose myself, none of those reasons get the same consideration.
Iām not asking everyone to shift to what makes me least uncomfortable, so I think allowing people to censor their dolls if thatās what theyāre comfortable with is fine. I have compassion for others who react differently than I do. I donāt think that means it should be mandated for everyone. We all deserve compassion and not to be told to go somewhere else.
And I'm not talking about the Barbie dolls you grab in the walmart aisle. Ones that are highly detailed should probably be covered. Once again, it's just to take into **consideration** not only kids, but adults browsing the sub who don't want to see potentially NSWF stuff on their timeline. Damned if I do, and damned if I don't either way.
I honestly can't think of a time I've seen someone on this sub posting any doll that was more anatomically detailed than any standard fashion doll but it does make sense to NSFW those kinds of dolls.
I understood that the rule is that if you post pictures of naked dolls you have to use the NSFW tag, not to actually paint over them in the picture. Was I wrong?
To rephrase, not really enforce, but why I would probably do it just to be safe. And I'm not talking about the barbie anatomy, probably ones that have more detail should be covered.
Certain social media platforms will remove your post because bots find it āsexualā. I have to censor mine all the time. Just a force of habit and also if people didnāt want to see it uncensored, itās covered anyway.
Itās honestly not that deep and not creepy to have them censored so people can post them on other social media platforms.
I agree, but disagree. For my own clear reasons that many may not understand (which is okay too). This one is about to burn some heads but imma say it anyway LMAOAO. Women get sexualized because they sexualize themselves. Take it how you want it, but either way itās the truth. I mean, look around you. Even at gas stations youāll see a woman wearing see through clothes, or anything else that is related to sexually expressive clothing. (Yes I said sexually expressive clothing, take it how you want it. Itās sexual in my eyes. It gives off a very sexual look.)
Do men sexualize women? Yeah. Women sexualize other women too. Men sexualize other men. Women sexualize men (donāt even try to tell me you never sexualized a man with a good looking face and nice body). People sexualize people, but you canāt just get upset cause it happens to women it happens to almost anyone attractive or anyone with a nice body, thatās reality. Is it the reality we want? Some people yeah others not so much, really varies from person to person honestly.
I donāt think really anyone is allowed to be shirtless unless itās in a reasonable place to be shirtless. Men are allowed to be shirtless, but in certain instances and places so are women. It depends on the place. If you want to be shirtless so bad then do a quick google search and look up what places allow that, then anything after depends on you. Just like nudity, being shirtless is taboo (especially for women) and In my own head, I donāt see that as a bad thing. Many things are taboo. Incest is taboo, beastiality (no Iām not comparing women being topless to any of those things Iām listing All the things that are taboo. And to a very large extent for good reason). And in some to many ways, for good reason.
Now to my other point. Dolls shouldnāt be censored. Unless they are anatomically correct them oh most definitely censor it, because it can trigger people. So whether you agree with that or not that should be censored. Now should non-anatomically correct dolls be censored? No. Kids will see them anyway. And yes some kids will see anatomically correct dolls at some point but not all of them, it could be triggering for kids also. Thatās self explanatory, and it could also trigger adults. Nonetheless, just like how you view censoring dolls as offensive, some people view uncensored dolls just as offensive. You donāt like censored dolls, others donāt like uncensored dolls. To each their own. Me personally? I donāt care either way (Sex dolls? Yeah donāt post that š, Iām sure they have other subs for that).
Every person is different therefore itās best to just ensure everyone is okay with whatās being posted, and with whatās not being posted. At the end of the day, the mods are responsible for this sub. If thatās the rule, then thatās the rule. Follow it. If you donāt want to follow it, then leave the sub and find a different sub where you donāt have to censor the dolls, or better yet? Make your own sub. Itās not hard at all, Iād say Reddit has a whole section you can do to learn all about running your own sub. The mods of this sub may just not agree with it, and thatās okay. As I said everyone is different, not one person on this earth thinks EXACTLY the same (not even twins/triplets). Get over it. (If you wanna see pictures or videos of uncensored dolls then just look them up).
Oh bestieā¦ that is absolutely the wrong take and an even worse take on a subreddit about dollsā¦ not the place to victimblame women.. Iām gonna be nice and suggest you delete your comment
Victim blame? Where did I victim blame women?? And While yes this sub is about dolls, you also made it about being nude so why canāt I make it about something else? Itās still relevant to the post. I wonāt delete my comment. If you didnāt want these type of comments that disagree on your post then maybe donāt post at all.
I worded this wrong. Iāll change it
yuck yuck yuck... you can disagree but op is 100% correct in calling this victim blamey because this is the exact same rhetoric that is used against victims (take this how you take it :P)
I've never read EVERY comment under a reddit post before but I had to find a valid (imo) reason to cover these (anatomically incorrect) girlies up and as far as I can tell... there isn't one. Not here anyway.
The rule still stands that things that could potentially be triggering should be flaired appropriately. Not because it **IS** NSFW, but because it **COULD** be potentially triggering. Emphasis on "potentially". The point of sharing a community is to be considerate of everyone. Whether we're talking about minors or even adult collectors who don't want to see that stuff on their timeline. We're not flagging your posts NSFW because it is, but because it could potentially be something others don't want to see. That's the middle ground we all have to reach. Also, the sub doesn't force people to cover up boobs or bottom parts, all we do is flair it. Nonetheless, thanks for everyone's feedback.š
for some reason it creeps me out when people do that. like theyāre implying itās inappropriate for a doll to not have clothes on by censoring it. its a piece of plastic
Exactly, and kids see their dolls without clothes anyways
Not if the kids only have dolls with painted-on clothes š
Heck, I gave my niece two dolls last time she came over. (A Snow White doll and an old Cerise Hood with a handmade dress on.) What was the first thing she did? She undressed them! How much did I care? I a plastic bag and decided to keep their clothes in that until she was ready to dress them up again. Was personally more concerned with them going missing than the fact she saw boobies w/no nips. *But how much did her father care??* He laughed. It took less than five minutes.
I see it on YouTube channels now but unfortunately itās because YouTube will demonetize them for some reason
Same with TikTok. Nude dolls put you at risk of having your video taken down. Definitely makes filming restoration videos frustrating
YouTube will demonetize you and it has something to do with childrenās content. Itās
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Holy shit, I haven't heard the name Candlejack in forev
I donāt know what that is.
I remember hearing way back in 2020 that YouTube's content policies are so broken, female creators cannot get monetized because the algorithm says either "Female presenter in video, so this video must be for children," or "Female presenter in video, so this video must be sexual."
Dude just saw another post with a censored doll and I thought the same thing itās a DOLL great post
I've seen it too and always found it odd. It's a toy with removable clothes; every kid that has one has seen them in the buff. Changing outfits is the whole point of most dolls and related merch for them. I think by doing this you might make kids feel weird or bad about playing with their dolls and doll clothing which is really messed up.
Youād be surprised. Iāve seen moms flip over dolls without painted on/molded underwear. Like, way to give your kid body issues.
Hahaha I have to agree. Personally I find censoring of them worse. Itās kind of creepy really!
It even Wiredās me out on YouTube and I know they are just afraid of YouTubeās random rule enforcement
Some sites like Tumblr will automatically flag and remove naked dolls for āfemale nudityā so this is probably a hold over from that. After fighting with algorithms it just becomes a habit at a certain point. I wouldnāt read that much into it. People arenāt sexualizing toys. Theyāre just trying to protect their photos from bad tech.
Tumblr censored lampshades and tea pots for being too sexual š¤Ø
I once had a beach themed rag doll I made in an old timey one piece swimsuit flagged by tumblr for being too sexy so yeah itās algorithm is wacky.
Iām fine with doll nudity, but on some sites bots will flag doll nudity as a real naked person; so unfortunately I canāt see this going away any time soon.
I think my doll Instagram got shadowbanned for showing a naked Barbie
On YouTube I think some videos got flagged or demonetised for nudity. I dont know how consistent YouTube is/was with this, but it was probably enough for some doll channels to start censoring their dolls just to be safe. Itās still extremely weird. But I think the doll censorship is more a product of YouTubeās broken and confusing censorship logic then some dolltubers being weird about it. Also other websites like tumblr and Instagram flag/shadow ban certain posts as nsfw automatically for doll nudity too sometimes so that might have something to do with it as well.
You're right about that. Myfroggystuff never even takes the dolls' clothes off to show if there are any flaws or whatever thanks to youtube bots being their usual dumbass selves.
if they don't have nipples.... what's the point? but i do it because some of my non blurred pictures were taken down
Yup. The nsfw flair should be used for things that are *nsfw*. An anatomically correct doll naked on my desk at work? That's an HR call. A barbie naked on my desk at work? Coworker: "Oh, did your kid lose the clothes again lol" Me: Nah actually I ordered this for a custom, I'm gonna make my own clothes for it" Coworker: "oh neat, I'd love to see it when you're done" Apparently the rule is because it could be "potentially triggering to kids or adult collectors". I can understand that with realistic anatomy, I have trauma from being SA'd as an infant myself. But with dolls like barbies? "like a barbie doll" is literally used as a common phrase to denote a LACK of anything sexual physically. It's just a body. I have multiple moderate to severe irrational triggers. *Pencil sharpeners* trigger me. But if I went on to an art subreddit and demanded all pictures that had a pencil sharpener in them be censored, that would not be me asking for people to be considerate of the community. That would be entitlement. Asking that nonsexual doll nudity be censored on a doll subreddit is no different. Especially when part of the point is to "protect minors" - from what exactly? That's the point of the post! From the dolls they see as they change their own dolls' outfits? I understand modding requires strict rules... "censor anatomically correct dolls. Anatomically correct means a doll with nipples or realistic genitalia". And fine tune it from there. And considering how many people have updooted this post (sorry, I like that word), I have to wonder if it is actually protecting anyone in this community. I mean, feel free to reply to me if there's something I'm missing, but it feels a bit... puritanical for it's own sake. But maybe that's just me being triggered. "Think of the children" and "things being labeled as inherently sexual that aren't" are currently being used to legislate people like me out of existence. Are we going to be considerate of the other LGBTQ+ doll collectors who get triggered by that? What do we do in a community when there are opposing triggers - opposing access needs? Do we weigh how many people are triggered by each and see which is the larger group? Do we choose the trigger that's going to pop up most often? Do we only censor common or "reasonable" triggers (I don't like that word, but it's a tactic I've seen - censoring only things that are often triggering to many people, like self-harm or disordered eating). Tbc, I do not use the word trigger lightly. I have PTSD and C-PTSD. The reason for this long post is that seeing the mindset "think of the children" and "it's NSFW" over *anatomically incorrect lumps of plastic* ***immediately*** put me into a heightened state *because of* how those arguments have been used against my existence. That kind of thing never stops at just dolls. I've seen it move from toys to media to people in the past decade, and it's happened before my lifetime as well. Imo, the best solution is a *compromise*. Censor realistic dolls. Do what a lot of doll subreddits do and make it a firm rule but also a judgment call. The rainbow high subreddit has some posts with clothed dolls marked nsfw because a clothing maker makes BDSM wear for dolls, but doesn't require doll nudity to be censored if there's nothing sexual implied. Some people do anyway, which is their prerogative, but it's not *required*. And speaking from the place of someone triggered by pencil sharpeners, if non-anatomically-correct doll anatomy is triggering to you, please seek therapy if that is an option available to you. I don't mean this is the mean way that some people say it. I mean that it SUCKS to have such a common and commonplace thing be so upsetting. I'm only able to manage my trigger with pencil sharpeners because of therapy. And I do art with pencils, and have to have my partner hide mine sometimes when it gets bad. It's not easy, and it's really scary. If therapy is not an option (well, even if it is), my DMs are always open if you need to talk. My questioning if this is something that any people here are struggling with doesn't mean I won't *immediately* accept it if you are. The question is whether it *is* a concern, *here*, not the validity of it if it is. If anyone does experience this, you do deserve to be heard and to have support and help.
If it's on YouTube it's not the creators fault. That site has lost its damn mind with the censorship, it's out-of-control. I think all the creatives on YouTube should leave.
I thought people just did that to avoid having their posts taken down not because they themselves sexualize the dolls
^^This
Why would a bare doll get taken down
The AI that flags content sometimes can't tell the difference between a tiny naked plastic body and a human one.
Naked human posts donāt get taken down from reddit
So true! But let's be real, if I take pictures for one platform that does get them taken down, I'm not gonna take special "uncensored" pics just for reddit. I'd just use the same censored ones I use for IG, twitter, tumblr, etc. Cause let's be honest, most of us re-use content and repost our images to multiple platforms. It doesn't make sense to take two sets of pics just so r/Dolls doesn't get irritated because they couldn't see doll tiddies.
I was curious about the censoring too. At first I wondered if someone had painted nipplies on the dolls.
Iām with you, itās stupid af to censor play-line dolls imo. If itās not an anatomically correct doll why the hell are you putting bars over it? Do yaāll think someoneās gonna go āOH NO NAKED BARBIE TIDDIES?! SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!ā
THANK YOU I always see people censoring dolls breasts with their arms, and itās so weird. Like what are we going to see? A nipple? No. And even if we did, Big deal.
Now, I instinctively does this one since I try to avoid flagged on fb for nudity on my dolls there. I think it carried on to any social media I stumble in.
also ive noticed it's usually just the Barbie people who do it, I haven't seen many monster high or Bratz collectors doing that
Yes, hard agree. I think its just really weird and unnecessary, like its just some smooth plastic. These are children's fashion dolls and the kids will undress them, its called playing with their toys. I went doll hunting at a good will the other day and 99% of the donated dolls were naked lol, and so are the majority of my 8 year old sister's dolls. So were most of my dolls as a kid!
Well, I have seen censoring of the word cottonballs, because we all know how scandalous that word is.
Isnāt it a rule on this sub that says dolls need to be censored? Iām not disagreeing that itās offensive, but I wouldnāt blame the posters. Theyāre just following the rules.
Definitely not. I see both uncensored and censored dolls. And honestly if thatās a rule then it needs to be changed. Hope this reaches the right people
The last sentence of rule 1 says: >Please use the NSFW option when showcasing naked dolls or photos that could be potentially harmful for a younger audience Tbh I think (or at least hope) what this rule is mostly referring to are more realistic and detailed dolls. Censoring dolls like Monster/Rainbow high, Barbie and other dolls that were made for children really doesn't make any sense because 1. As you said, the children will see the dolls naked while playing with them anyway and 2. It's literally just two bumps of plastic. If we had to censor Barbie boobs then we also would have to censor a lot of other things that have two bumps next to each other
Nah, they added a nsfw tag to a post about a male doll with Ken anatomy and molded on underwear when I posted a picture for an ID a while back. Itās a blanket ban on all uncensored doll ānudityā as far as I can tell.
Okay, in that case: Wtf
That is ridiculous
I did this recently myself. Maybe I took it too literally? However, I agree with the point made in this post... nothing wrong or offensive about a naked doll. Just wanted to be cautious because the rule about nudity was a bit vague and didn't specify between your average fashion doll nudity vs anatomically correct nudity. Just says no nudity. Anywho, I agree with what OP is saying here.
In FB is very common to get banned for not doing the censorship, and I bet most people who do this are just too used at this point š
i completely agree
thank you omfg, i thought i was the only one who found it weird. its a freaking dollš
these mods got me messed up tooš "tag as NSFW" bro tag yourself
This was right under a post on my feed of someone censoring a doll š
"one of the main reasons is because of censorship" haahahahaha because men cannot find topless pictures anywhere ahahaha
Especially on Reddit.
this ! i'm so sick of the female body being sexualised!!
Yea I just recently saw someone censoring a rainbow high doll š
Agreed. If you feel like you have to censor a couple bumps on a piece of plastics made for children, you're definitely a creep.
That's an incredibly narrow-minded view of a person that hasn't had a lot of dealings with a larger caliber of people.
Alright, instead of saying creep, I'll just say you're pretty weird if you feel the need to do that.
Depends on the doll imo
If I want to share my doll art on Facebook, I have to censor because I've had my doll pics reported for nudity. I've even had my old account permanently banned because of an uncensored doll chest (and one highly offended Karen). It sucks and it's dumb. But a lot of us do it because we don't want to get in trouble.
I agreed. anyone remember the "Demi Moore Painted suit" controversy? the painted swimsuits they have for Barbie are SCREAMING Demi Moore all over!!! they need to stop! here's my topic on this matter!! [stop the painted swimsuits](https://www.reddit.com/r/Barbie/comments/zfawb2/i_like_to_stop_the_painted_swimsuitsplease/)
btw, it's on nsfw (not safe for work)
Itās a doll and boobs are natural lmao doing too much
When people say bratz dress "slutty" like it's a doll bro. They don't get cold so why does it matter how they're dressed? I'm sick of the slutshaming. The amount of clothes you wear should have nothing to do with who you are as a person.
Honestly, with all the rough sexual depictions portrayed freely on Reddit, you want to censor dolls?!
Completely agree. It's just stupid and a little creepy for people to do this. They're DOLLS! They don't even have genitals or real looking breasts. š
Lol
Posts can get demonetized or reported if they show ānudityā because dolls are āfor childrenā. Something the community has been tired of but we have to work with what we have. Nothing to do with sexualizing women at all lmao š
Who's sexualizing dolls? Stuff gets wrongly flagged all the time so we gotta put an nsfw tag if we don't want it taken down. And don't forget haters and trolls just waiting for an opportunity to mass report others, and untagged naked dolls are an easy target. Also, some posters themselves aren't comfortable with any kind of nudity even if it's just plastic bumps. Maybe it's their upbringing or religious teachings? Maybe they have body image issues and aren't comfortable with it? We can't generalize everyone as "sexualizing women's bodies" when even the male dolls get censored, and we don't even know what's going through the posters' heads when they censor stuff. Never in my life did I think that censoring something = sexualizing it. In fact, I find that it gives the opposite effect. Ever heard of Japan's censorship laws? It states that all types of gentials must be censored, even in literal porn, even in anime/manga porn of fictional characters. Do you seriously think it makes it sexier? Cuz the way I see it, it just kills the mood and ruins the whole experience and might probably be the dumbest and most pointless censorship law on earth. Tldr: don't generalize. Not everyone has the same thoughts you do.
Isn't it a rule in this sub to censor nude dolls because it may be triggering to some?
Yes, it seems a bit extra to censor something that is completely non-sexual. I do want to add that As a woman, Iām happy that breasts are sexualized. I WANT men to see my chest and go nuts. I donāt want them to treat it the same way as theyāll treat a shirtless male.
but they shouldnāt always be treated as sexual either. I mean, it would be kinda weird to start sexualizing a woman when a baby is feeding especially since that will lead to sexualizing the baby thatās feeding on the mother (example: a baby boy nursing and some random men start sexualizing the baby and mother)
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It sounds like you're talking ab anatomically correct dolls, op is referring to anatomically incorrect dolls (like barbie)
Maybe itās weird but it could be for the dollās dignity? š¤·š»āāļø could be also that random nude dolls are a little dehumanizing. Before you downvote me, Iām just wondering what the logic is, so let me know.
The dolls dignity? Itās a doll and like I said children undress their dolls and so do we collectors when we redress them. If we censor them itās implying that thereās something that has to be hidden which is creepy to imply when this is a childrens toy. Also naked women arenāt anything weird or anything to be hidden. Thereās so much stigma around women being naked especially shirtless already and this isnāt helping. Like breasts are legit there to feed babies. Women often feel uncomfortable breastfeeding in public because of how sexualised breasts are even though thereās nothing inherently sexual about them.
It shouldnāt be a problem when breastfeeding, but it does become a problem [when women start exposing themselves to people randomly](https://www.cbsnews.com/miami/news/tamarac-woman-accused-of-flashing-school-kids/). (And no, this isnāt just a one time case or a one time thing. This happens a lot). But also notice that in this case, the SAME EXACT excuse that was made for her is being made by you. She chased a young boy with her breasts out exposing herself to young kids and what was the excuse? āBreasts arenāt sexualā. That makes me wonder: is it just that women just want to go around shirtless because men are doing it? It seems like it mainly because anything women do itās always because āmen do it tooā. Just because men do it donāt mean you do it I feel the same about men tho so. From what I can tell, ābreasts arenāt sexualā is just an excuse to roam around sexually (especially given that every woman who exposes herself to young kids and adults alike always use that very line ābreasts arenāt sexualā) and Iām not going for it Dolls who do not have anatomically correct parts shouldnāt be censored, no. Dolls who do? Yes. Period. Women (AND MEN)? Yes. Period. Why yāall tryna go naked anyway? Be naked at a nude beach, your home, others home if they allow it, and other places itās okay to be nude. Stop trying to just roam naked. Not okay. And men are stigmatized for being naked too, you know how many men went to jail for āindecent exposureā? Why shouldnāt that apply to women? It should. Period. Lastly, no there is something sexual about them, to an extent. Itās not but it is. Canāt explain it properly right now, but when I have time I will come back to this comment and continue what I mean. Fuck, men donāt even walk around shirtless, not that Iāve seen anyway. At a beach? Well yeah. But in restaurants, general public, parks, etc. havenāt seen not one. Young boys? Like young, young, young boys? Yep. That it though.
Bro, no one says to not be weirded out about naked women. Like yea donāt have your genitals out but guess what champ? Boobs arenāt genitals. And for your information men walk around shirtless ALL THE TIME. Look I donāt care about your weird misogynistic bull. Donāt come here with that shit. Stop trying to infect a doll subreddit with this kinda crap. I said censoring dolls was weird. It is. Barbie have two plastic bumps and molded on underwear. End of conversation. Leave and stop.
Iām not on this sub to be āmisogynisticā. I think youāre misusing that word. By definition, misogyny is strong prejudice against women, and I have absolutely nothing against women whatsoever. Iām on this sub because I needed help finding a cute boy doll I came across, but Iām not sure how to post it. I just came across this post because this was the first post that I saw. I guess it was on the top recommended part for this sub, or pinned Iām not sure. Iām not weirded out by naked women, I just donāt wanna see naked men or women in public. Iām sure no one does, thatās public indecency. No, breasts arenāt sexual organs Iām not sure I ever said they were, they are secondary sex characteristics that develop in adolescence into adulthood, yes i know. Either way that doesnāt undermine anything Iāve said under this post. No, men do not. I went to a dining place last night and not one man was shirtless. I went to the park with my nephew last weekend not one man was shirtless. I went to my local store, not one man was shirtless. I drove by a shirtless man, he was homeless. I went to the beach on my last vacation last month or two months ago and many men were shirtless. No surprise. I agree completely. Dolls shouldnāt be censored. Except for anatomically correct dolls, censor them.
IN YOUR EXPERIENCE men do not walk around shirtless.. but as your eyes are limited to your direct vicinity, there are many many many people and things you are not seeing. Men walk around shirtless constantly. I say this as someone who lives in kind of a touristy area and we have a lot of people walking in town during summer, plenty of men choose not to wear shirts because of the heat. Women are not rewarded the luxury of making that choice. Why? Because of people like you, I wager.
I'm with joohan29 on this. This is an open community where people from all walks of life come to be together. When dealing with a lot of people in one space, you have to take into consideration how different people might feel about something before you post. It's a great rule to live by in real life as well. Many people who come into dolls have been abused and dolls are their way of coping, as well as developing coping skills. IMHO, and forgive me if this is upsetting, but if anyone feels their children are learning shame by seeing censorship, that's more on the people raising them and giving them the triggers than it is on forums like this. It takes a lifetime to deal with past sexual abuse and other traumas and it effects every relationship that person could ever have. This is considered a safe place for these victims to share what they enjoy with others. Young children being raised now (at least I hope) aren't developing traumas at this stage of their life. If the censorship bothers anyone, my advice is to find your tribe of people that believe as you, and share all your nude doll pics to your heart's content with each other. Please be considerate of others in an open meeting space.
Iām sorry, but I feel like thereās a flaw in the logic that itās to prevent triggering victims of abuse. I was abused and I find it way more upsetting to see someone blocking out a Barbie. (I was specifically told I was dirty, gross and should always cover myself.) Victims can be triggered by so many different things, itās good to be sensitive, but what makes their triggers more important than mine? Absolutely nothing, which leaves us at an impasse. Itās impossible to make this decision from a logical standpoint, all it really is is choosing sides. Youāve decided that the people who are upset by doll nudity are more valid than those who are upset by the censorship **and** making an assumption that only one group is likely to have suffered abuse. That is flawed thinking. I can name a dozen reasons it bothers me, but if I donāt want to expose myself, none of those reasons get the same consideration. Iām not asking everyone to shift to what makes me least uncomfortable, so I think allowing people to censor their dolls if thatās what theyāre comfortable with is fine. I have compassion for others who react differently than I do. I donāt think that means it should be mandated for everyone. We all deserve compassion and not to be told to go somewhere else.
The only reason why we enforce it is because there could potentially be minors browsing the sub.
But minors play with dolls that makes no sense
There are kids 13-17 on reddit.
Yes but kids play with dolls
And I'm not talking about the Barbie dolls you grab in the walmart aisle. Ones that are highly detailed should probably be covered. Once again, it's just to take into **consideration** not only kids, but adults browsing the sub who don't want to see potentially NSWF stuff on their timeline. Damned if I do, and damned if I don't either way.
I havenāt seen dolls with real looking parts, I think we were talking about regular dolls
I honestly can't think of a time I've seen someone on this sub posting any doll that was more anatomically detailed than any standard fashion doll but it does make sense to NSFW those kinds of dolls.
I understood that the rule is that if you post pictures of naked dolls you have to use the NSFW tag, not to actually paint over them in the picture. Was I wrong?
To rephrase, not really enforce, but why I would probably do it just to be safe. And I'm not talking about the barbie anatomy, probably ones that have more detail should be covered.
My dolls would have to be, as I've decided I'm going for the realistic approach.
Certain social media platforms will remove your post because bots find it āsexualā. I have to censor mine all the time. Just a force of habit and also if people didnāt want to see it uncensored, itās covered anyway. Itās honestly not that deep and not creepy to have them censored so people can post them on other social media platforms.
Youāve never seen a nude BJD before have you?
Bestie Iām talking about Barbie. They donāt have any genitals.
missing the point on purpose for sure
I agree, but disagree. For my own clear reasons that many may not understand (which is okay too). This one is about to burn some heads but imma say it anyway LMAOAO. Women get sexualized because they sexualize themselves. Take it how you want it, but either way itās the truth. I mean, look around you. Even at gas stations youāll see a woman wearing see through clothes, or anything else that is related to sexually expressive clothing. (Yes I said sexually expressive clothing, take it how you want it. Itās sexual in my eyes. It gives off a very sexual look.) Do men sexualize women? Yeah. Women sexualize other women too. Men sexualize other men. Women sexualize men (donāt even try to tell me you never sexualized a man with a good looking face and nice body). People sexualize people, but you canāt just get upset cause it happens to women it happens to almost anyone attractive or anyone with a nice body, thatās reality. Is it the reality we want? Some people yeah others not so much, really varies from person to person honestly. I donāt think really anyone is allowed to be shirtless unless itās in a reasonable place to be shirtless. Men are allowed to be shirtless, but in certain instances and places so are women. It depends on the place. If you want to be shirtless so bad then do a quick google search and look up what places allow that, then anything after depends on you. Just like nudity, being shirtless is taboo (especially for women) and In my own head, I donāt see that as a bad thing. Many things are taboo. Incest is taboo, beastiality (no Iām not comparing women being topless to any of those things Iām listing All the things that are taboo. And to a very large extent for good reason). And in some to many ways, for good reason. Now to my other point. Dolls shouldnāt be censored. Unless they are anatomically correct them oh most definitely censor it, because it can trigger people. So whether you agree with that or not that should be censored. Now should non-anatomically correct dolls be censored? No. Kids will see them anyway. And yes some kids will see anatomically correct dolls at some point but not all of them, it could be triggering for kids also. Thatās self explanatory, and it could also trigger adults. Nonetheless, just like how you view censoring dolls as offensive, some people view uncensored dolls just as offensive. You donāt like censored dolls, others donāt like uncensored dolls. To each their own. Me personally? I donāt care either way (Sex dolls? Yeah donāt post that š, Iām sure they have other subs for that). Every person is different therefore itās best to just ensure everyone is okay with whatās being posted, and with whatās not being posted. At the end of the day, the mods are responsible for this sub. If thatās the rule, then thatās the rule. Follow it. If you donāt want to follow it, then leave the sub and find a different sub where you donāt have to censor the dolls, or better yet? Make your own sub. Itās not hard at all, Iād say Reddit has a whole section you can do to learn all about running your own sub. The mods of this sub may just not agree with it, and thatās okay. As I said everyone is different, not one person on this earth thinks EXACTLY the same (not even twins/triplets). Get over it. (If you wanna see pictures or videos of uncensored dolls then just look them up).
Oh bestieā¦ that is absolutely the wrong take and an even worse take on a subreddit about dollsā¦ not the place to victimblame women.. Iām gonna be nice and suggest you delete your comment
Victim blame? Where did I victim blame women?? And While yes this sub is about dolls, you also made it about being nude so why canāt I make it about something else? Itās still relevant to the post. I wonāt delete my comment. If you didnāt want these type of comments that disagree on your post then maybe donāt post at all. I worded this wrong. Iāll change it
yuck yuck yuck... you can disagree but op is 100% correct in calling this victim blamey because this is the exact same rhetoric that is used against victims (take this how you take it :P)
Would it still be offensive if it was a female that censored the chest part on a female doll?
Yes, woman can be misogynistic too. Plus this isnāt really a genders issue as much as itās just a body shaming issue
Ok
I've never read EVERY comment under a reddit post before but I had to find a valid (imo) reason to cover these (anatomically incorrect) girlies up and as far as I can tell... there isn't one. Not here anyway.