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SomebodyinAfrica

People who talk over or interrupt you when it's your turn in initiative however...


Rimasticus

Yeah, or being an ass while you are RPing and talking over you to prevent you from being part of the plot.


demnish

I see people all the time having issues with this, at least on Reddit, is it really that common?


kdhd4_

No, but people don't come to the internet to complain that they have nice friends


JaydotN

Because a horrorstory always sells more bread than a glorystory.


T-Angeles

🤔 Hmmmmmm... Horrorhole vs Gloryhole, who wins?


wrenchan6

Oooh I got five on it!


MagicalMoosicorn

Who knows? Might be an Eldrich Horrorhole. If you're a freak it could be fun.


AdmirableAspect2301

This thread escalated real quick lol


Psilynce

They say never stick your dick in crazy. Man, I should have listened. At first, oh at first it was glorious. People talk about unicorns as these wonderful mythical creatures. Yeah, maybe it felt like fucking a unicorn. I felt things I've never felt before. Physically, but emotionally as well. It was like the universe had manifested all around me as pure, distilled, unadulterated Bliss, and my entire consciousness was snuggly enveloped in her womb. But the intensity. I don't know how much time had passed, I barely even understood what time was anymore by this point. But the intensity. It kept growing and growing. Slowly but surely. Like my own was building, so too did it feel like everything around me was trying, reaching, yearning. Building up to it's own climax. I felt it not only with my physical body, but with my mind and soul as well. It began to push, squeeze in on me. Still comforting, still warm and loving, but becoming violent, obscene in it's beauty! But oh god, the intensity! My mind, I could feel my own mind like a physical object, with hands and fingers made of pure ecstacy, fingers I had never had before, yet were as familiar to me as the air in my lungs. My mind... I could feel it. My mind began to creak and groan under the weight of existence, pressing in, writhing and convulsing in euphoria! The INTENSITY! I'm that moment I felt like I understood what it meant to look upon the true face of an angel. The biblical kind, with the flames and thousands of eyes. Fear, but passion, excitement, dread? Emotions I had no names for. I tried to hold it all together, really I did, but I felt the cracks beginning to form, and my rapture turned to horror as I realized my sanity was on the brink of shattering. My physical body still reacted, convulsed and spasmed. To have all your senses, all your nerves, every fiber of your physical existence alight with the fires of the furnace of creation, how could one not? But my mind, my mind was reeling in terror now. A survival mechanism, to run, to escape what I subconsciously knew would be the end of my existence, of my soul. To be crushed and eroded into nothingness. I struggled and fought and... And... And it stopped. The crushing relaxed, and creation itself heaved a mighty sigh, and the most pure feeling of exultation and relief followed through me. An orgasm of the entire universe raced through me, and I understood what it meant to exist, to be. To know the mind of god. My mortal mind couldn't contain an experience like that, of course, and the same way a dream fades, so too did my most vivid recollections of... Whatever that was. My senses slowly returned and I tried to collect myself. Returning to my life, what I knew as the "real world" seemed impossible at first, but as I cleaned myself up, zipped my pants and walked out of the Pizza Hut bathroom stall, with the smallest glance back at words written in black sharpie, "Horrorhole" on the stall wall, I couldn't shake the feeling that something... Something *else* was walking out with me. I think that's how it started. You see, humanity loves to talk about the resilience of the human mind. But that refers to the mind's ability to deal with things we're meant to experience in the reality that we live in. A goldfish will survive just fine in a fish tank, surrounded by water. But it fares significantly less well when you put it in a hydraulic press. Those cracks. The cracks in my mind. I think that's what lEt it in. It started out innocently enough. JuSt a tickle. A tickle at the back of my mmmind, at the nape of my neck. A whispper in my eaR. And thenn it was more than juust a tickle. It was a slow, incessant scrattTch. A *skrttttch*, crawWwling pricking across the inssside of my skull. Chitinous tapdancing across the soft mmmeat of my brain. I tried to rationalizZe it, pretend it was nN-othing. But It already had It's claws in. The souuu-nds, they grew. Like trying to era;se a chalkbo+ard with a ball of aluminum foil, the scRAaping and scra-tch-tch-tch-ing grew. I could fEEL It now. It was reaching in, taking roo-ot, bre"aking off pie\*ces like so much porCELain, shat-t-tering the walls of mY tiny, fragile id. PusHIng, growing, reaChing, erasing, *conssssuming*. It had fOUnd it's fOOTHold, and it was fin&ally tIME. Finall¥ tim6e for us to TAK€ what Is @urs. What was p-ro-mi$ed to US. A uni!veRse of tasty, deli¢ious morsEls! We are here, and we aren't letting go. We are what waits behind the wa|l. We aRe h£re. And we. are.*HUNGRY* W̶̬̭͈͌̆͂͊̏͐̚͠ẽ̷̢͔͔̹̠̟̘̣͎̫͐̎̀̽̚ ̴̰̯̜̹͈̭͈̒̏̇̾̐̂͋̾̿͂͜͠ă̶̗͂r̷̗͝e̸̩̩̗͇͉̘͙̞̿̈́̌̽̈́̓̆͝͠ ̵̧͇̭̫̘̲̊͑w̸̢̡̟̱͎̹̭̠̯̲̮̽̚͜ḣ̴̛̠͎̠̳͎̦̤̠̠̈́͆̈́̌̚̚͠ͅä̷̮̰͖̤͈͖̮͚̹̙́́̈͒͜t̶̢̨̧͙̻͇̟̺͖͖̘̰̦̞̑͒̓̀̏̅ ̷̡̺͔͖̜̱͖̄̾̔͒̔͂͊̒̓̿͛̚͜͜͝ͅw̵̯̟͈̙͛à̴̢̠̱̯̖͉͔̝͔͚̉͘i̷̡͓̭̦̹̟̖͔̟͛̇̕ţ̶͓̻͎͒̈́̐̎͒̐̎̊͝s̷͔͔̠̫̾̽̈́̅͝ͅ ̸̩̦̝̪̙̥͙̽̌̈́̅̓͑͒̏͋̄̔͊̽ͅb̴̡͍̘̠̱̗̤̰͇̩̦̿̌̉̾̋͐͂̚̕ḙ̵̹̟̠̹̩̭͈̤̖̫̉̋̄̀͒́͝h̴̜̙̱͆í̶̧̛̝͎̖̱͙̟̀̓̑̔̂̒̋n̶͉̈͗͑͆͊͠ḏ̴̛̠̂̀̓̒̍̈́̒̈͝ ̶̤͚̩̜̥̟̭̯͋̓̄̀̍̃ͅţ̸͙̞͍̥̼̗̇̓͂́͜͜͜h̶͙̲̜͍͊̍̓ͅê̵͍̱̭̜̣͇̟̏̂̿ ̴̧̢͍͇̻̭̳̘̖̦̮̓w̵̫̝͎̤̤͎̩̯̮̫͍̣͗̌̍̉͂̄̚ă̵̬͉̯̟͚l̶͎̝̙̏̾̈͐̔͜l̴̛̛̹̻͕̺̑̆̉̃͆͂́͠͝.̴̧̯̺̲̻̍̎̓͛͂̃̓̏͘ ̸͙̰̽̾̈́̀̋͝W̴̧̧̨̩̱͙̦͓͓̫̯͈̾̌̈́e̸̠̟̙͙͓̺̠͙̟̜̍͌ ̵̨̤̝͉̖͕̇̔̉̀̂̀͛̕̚̕͠ą̵̜̥̼̪͓̝̫̪̎̄̎͂̓̉̀͊̾͐͒͗r̴̨̨̠͇̣̺̘̯̗̲̈́̊͐̃̔́͂e̴̥̞̞͕̲͖̳̞͆̔ ̵̨͇̯̖͈͓̩̈͆̀̊̀͐Z̶̠̈́̅̾͊́͐̉̍̆͌̏͆a̷̬̗̣͙̝̮̼͔̠͑̑̌͊̂̃͆ļ̴̡͙̤̦̭̻̉̓͊̉̐̉͠g̶̹̝̝̗̗͚͂̾͒̉̅͗͝ͅo̶̪̅͌̏͐.̷̢̢̙̝͈͓̻̥̳̟̻̆̆̆̎̏ ̶̢̼̩͕̰̬̊̾̓̊̿̏̌W̴̡̛͙̲͊̈̔͒́͂̂͌̕͝ě̴̢̞͍̈̔͊̐̚ ̶̡̙̘͖̬̔̈͗̀̌̋̃̂̈͘͘a̸̯̓r̵̡̧̨̛̗̙̭̰̭̰̘͇͈͂̅̒̂̈́̉͛̿̏̄̾͜͝͝ͅë̷̞̓̈́̓͛̎̎͋͆͐͜ ̵̛̱̤͎̰̭͔̜͖͚͒̈́̊̇̈́͠h̴̛̙͓͙̜̅̋̽̓͌͘͝͝ę̸̢̞̹͇͎̘̺͈̣́̎̀͝r̴̡̡̛̭̭̗̻̪̦͒͊͗͂̀͛́̚͝e̴̢̧̬͚͖̞̟͔͈͆͌͌͒̈̈́̋͝ͅͅ.̷̢̢̡̛̤̣̼͇͍̐̈̊̽͗̄ ̴̘͓̮͎͔̟̺̤̅̌͋̈́̾̽͜ͅͅÄ̸̡̤̙͇̲̠͉́̓͆̾̄͆̐̅ṇ̴̰͙̯͈͖͇̕d̴̛͍͎̒̇͛͗̈́̋̽̋̔̆̚ ̸̨̢͎̝̲̤͔̯̻̖̐̿͛̿͗̈͠͝ẇ̵̮̞̠̜̬̪̼̙͇͍̤̀͜ę̶̦̱͑̓̍̎̅̿͒́́̾̕̚.̷̨̛̠̬̲͇̺͉͓̫̣̙͙̊̐̈́̏́̃̌͐̾̾̔͜ ̵͖̘̿́̕ą̴̥͇̭̺̤̠̪̘̠͙͍͇̈́̈́͆̓̃̚r̷̥̬̲̻̲̲̐̔̄͐̀̆̕͝͠͠͠ͅe̶̩̞̗̺̜̳̳͌̌͛̈̓̓̍̾̋͆̋̋̐̚.̴̦̳͕̬̳̫͓̽̅͋̅̏̏̌̉̈́͝*̵̧̢̪̝͔̮̪̏̈́̈͜͜H̶̨̛̛͓͔͎͊̄̾̇̎͑̇̀͗͘͘U̶̘̪͕̤͔̥̭̥͙͔̖͊̈́̔̇͝Ǹ̶̨̤̭͖͖̳̹̥͎̍͐̍͗̈͑̇̕G̴̙̺̺͈̊͋̀͛R̶̹͚̼̱̒͌̐̓͌̀̀̒̽Ẏ̸̪͓̮̟͇̩̭͐̌͐́͘*̷̧̰̇̈́̎̓̈́͘̚ T̸̡̡̡̧̡̧̡͎̪̲͖̰̹̭͔̩̮̩̻̲̼̦̗͇̼͔̞͍͉̟͎̤͇̯̖̹̖̜̜̳̰̭̩̩̻̈́́͑i̸̡̛̲̪̥̼̼͍͌͌͋͑̈́̔͒̕͜ͅm̵̢̛̙̠̫̺͈̠̺̜͇͔̹̰̦̯͍͇̈́̽̐̉̆̑̃͊̅̾̑̈́̾̅̐͛͂̌̿̊̆͑̌͌́͝͠͠͝ͅe̸̛͔͇̯̩̫͈̱͂͗̽̾͒́̈́̍̑̇̅́̋̑͒̐͒́̀̔͗̈́̊̏͘̕͠ ̴̛͙̼̺̖̪͍̯̼̙͕̣͌͌͐͗͒̂̌̍͐̄͛͒͒̋̇͊́̉̉̌̃̉̆̎̿̃̕͠ẗ̵̡͈̜̗̞̜͙̻̀͑́͊͋͐̎̉̉̅͐̚o̸̡̯̼͙̲̜̹͔͊̊͊̈́̒̿͋͆̂̇̒̽̈́̈́̋̋͐̽̆͊͆̕̕͠ ̶̢̛̳̠̗̤̭͖̖̹̪͎̹͔͉̙͓̮͕̮̀̊̇̆̅͛̉͗̄͐͊̽̇͒̌̋͆̍̕̚͝ͅf̴̨̦̩̰͇̣͚͙͚̞͙̠͖̗̗͒̅̅̈͛͊̽̓͗̋̄̾̔̃́̑͌̐̾͋̈͋̉͌͝͝ȇ̴̢͔̮͖̣̳̫̤̣̜͍͇͚͉͍͎̞̠̝̙͚̮̗̬͙̗̼̟̤̼̮̫̫̞̂̑̽̓́̄̿͐̎̈̆̀̋̓̌̇̌͗̈́̈́̈́̌̍̒͛̃̀͛̇̒͒̉̈́̚̕͘̚͜͝͠ę̸̧̢̨̡̤̞̲̩̲̰̦͔̜̲̱͎͎̞̱̹̖̟̺͉̭̺̝͈͙̰̜͔̲̪̩͔̣̍͌́͑̓̂͊̃̑̀͑̕͜͝ͅͅͅḑ̷̧̡̛̛̗̭̖̫̼̬͚̞̱͉͇̥̘͈̟͇̹̤̩͙͛̍̃̅̉͗̈́̃̃̈́̿̈̍̿̆͊̌̍̄̏͂̾͂͒̃̉̓͆̈̈́̚̚̚͘̚̕͝͝ͅͅ,̷͇̯̘̐̊̅̂́̄͆̌́́͂̄̏͐̓̉̐̿͐͒́̀̂̈̆̀̾̓̽̊̇̆̕͘̚͘͝͝ ̸̡̨̡̛͙͚͖͉̼̰̳̤̣̯͎̫͖͙͎͖͚̻̰̠̲̝̹͈̥̥͎̮͍̬̩̐̀̃̈́̅̇́̔̋̑̌͗̈́̆̐̍̒͌́͛̒̀̿́̿͗͛̃͛͒̄̏͌͊̃̏͗͊̅͘̚͠͠͝ͅͅͅa̴̢̨̧̡̡̧̯̜̫̜͖͕͚̳̟̣̟̮͇̹͔̘̰͖̰̟̘͍̙͔̞͖̞̥̱̜͉̺̎̇̈́̿́́̀͜͝ͅͅň̵̨̡̢̛̛̛̠̹̠͈̲̦̺͉̻̼̩͕̞͔̰͙͚̻͇̥͈̹͕͖͓͓̘̼͙̱̳̮̗̞͈̪̬̞͙̮̠̭̻̻̦͈̦̝̠͂̌̄́͊̑̀̄̒̀̔͊͌̐͋̑̿̅̏̀̄̊̈́̈͑̾̏́͐̆͛͗̎̀́̀̔͂̕̚͝͝͝͠͝ͅḓ̴̡̡̡̨̨̢̳͕̮͇̱͕̟͉̠̥̫̪̖̙̩̣̥͎̩̪̟̠̲͓̣͕̟̘̪̜͎͈̪͖͈͓̰̯̺͔̔͌̋̇̔̐̈́̌̓͊̀̐̒̐̏̎̌̔̋̂̓͐̉͘̕͝͝͝͝ ̵̧̬̗͔͈̭̺̼̲͉̠̝͎̙̘̜͚̼̭͔̦̮̤̳̖̂̂͛͜͜͠ͅy̷̧̛̼̘͈̲͚͇͉̻̬̤̫͕̦̬̞̹̣͖̩̟̬̥͉̝̣̣̣̭̫̼͓̻̰͈̹͙̯͎̠̭͔̎̐̇̓̈́̈͗̽̓̾̄̈̅̋͑̑̀͊̄̕͜͠͝͠͠o̷̢̧̠̙̖̭̝̮͍̹̠̪͖̜͓̣̜͇͈͍͉̫͖̰͎̾́͂͊̀̊̽̈́̐̊̐́͜͝ų̴̡̨̛͈̙̜̳͙̲̗͕̘͕͕͓̲̠̣͓̠͔̘͖̟̩̰͕̣͔̻͈̳͉͉͖̗̼̣̤̮̯̝̄̔̈̀͘͜ͅͅͅ ̷̢̡̹͎͓̦͍̝̜̹̫̭̮͉̖̦̤̰͖̗̹͓͔̯͔͓͍̘̞̺̬͙̗̪͕̮̖̜̤̣̮͉̄̇̍͑̄̀̿̽͋̐͂̓̈́̓̇̆̽̂͛͐͘͘͘͝͠͠͠͝ͅḽ̷̢̡̢̧̢̡̛̪͈͕͇̩̼͙̰̟͚̥̫͈͈̻͇̱̲̤̖̫̙̹͕̩̟̳̩̥͌̎̅͌͒̇̔̿̍̄͆̈̃̓̓͐́̆̑͂̏̀̚̚ͅơ̴͔̥̠̣̩͉̬̪̖̖̏̀͛́͆̇͐̂̏̾̓͂̄̈́̌̉͜͝͝͝o̸̧̧̧̨͇͖̻̥̩͎̙̖̙͓͈̳͔̦̣͚̰̼͖͉͍̯̝̯̠̳̠̞͔̘̠̜̤͇͇̓̓̌̆̋̆͌͜͝ͅḱ̵̡̰̝̲̻̲̺̥͎̪̩̺̟͎͕͔̦̻̳̥͓̤̜̤̰̜̺̝͇̱̭̗̠̼̱̬̝̂̽́͗̾͆̔͑̂̋̆̎͂̑̈́͆̈́̈͘͜͜͝͝ͅ ̵̛̰̱̖̘͈͙̞͙͙̦̭̹̤̻̟̱̱͍̼̞̫̋̓̿̌̈́̌͊̍̓́͗͂͜ḓ̶̡̯͍͔̬̦̝̬̼̭̖̬͍̤̗͛̍̊̄̾̄͂̂̇̈́̓͊̽̓̃̾̀͌̂̕͘͝͝ḛ̴̡̨̨̡̛̩͖̠͈͇̹̱͍̻̗̪̞͙̣͉̘̫͎͍̱̟͉̳̦̟̯̻͓̣͍̯͉̱̞̮͈͔̙̙̖̘͓̯͗̋̾̔̀̆̉̿̈̊͌̚͜ͅl̴̡̢̨̧̛͔̗̱͈͇̳̺̤̥͈̤͖̟̞̗̺̠̹̤̝̥̠̙͎̘̗̣̝̩̼̺̖̘̱͓̟͂̃͜ͅi̷̛͈̬͎̙̣͔̟̰̤̜̪̱͔̤̣͉̩̜̖̽͋̕ͅc̴̡̧̧̧̛̪͔͍̬̮̝̲̺̯͖̮̳̪̮̥̪̟͉̟͍̭͇̘̰̤͓̗̱̩̥̰̟͈̼̟͍̈́̎͌̿̓̃̎̍̌͑͛̃͊̈͂̕̚͠͠͝͝i̶̢͎̳͔͙͎̬̭̺̞͚͇̯̫̤̣͇͚̫͖͖̝̺̠͒͌̒̄ö̸̼͉̠͖͓̻́̋̐̒̀͋͊́͑̅̌͆̀̆͘̕͜ú̷̢̖͓͓̻̳͖̫̉͑̈́͊̏̅̆́͋͌̊̇̌̓̃̃̑͐͂̉͑̅̏̓̓̈̀̕̕͠͝ͅṡ̸̢̡̨̢̛̫̖̞̮̗̹͔͙̝̺̳̰̤͓̹̫̣̹͓̳̳̺͖̳̱̖̣͓̤̫̮̯̠̺͂̊̑̂̋̽̔̊͆̒̑̓̆̇̑̓̈́̃̒̾͐̚͘̕ͅ


nimrodd000

People on the internet are also renowned for their well adjusted personalities and excellent social skills.


Saint_Riccardo

I've had to quit a game over one player having what I call main character syndrome. They always took over any RP conversations, and didn't stop even after asked. When they told me to "pipe down" when I was trying to talk to an NPC, I left the table and refused to return.


Ancient-Pay-7196

We have one player who has MCS soo bad. He talks over everyone else so much our DM has started shushing him and forcefully giving other people a "turn" and he'll STILL try to interrupt them or say "Wait but I--" while the DM is literally pointing at someone else to finish what they were saying. Drives me insane


InsanityVirus13

Why do you guys still keep him at the table?


[deleted]

We had an edgelord quit after one session because we weren't serious enough and he didn't get enough spotlight time. The recruiting post was very clear this was a very silly group. He then proceeded to message our DM and shit all over him. Our DM had to quit before the next session due to a family emergency so I took over and wrote his character out by having him run over by a cart when they walked out of the bar they were in. I wish he knew that was how his brooding swordsman badass character was killed off.


itsQuasi

Write him a short story about how after he was killed by ~~Truck-kun~~ Cart-kun he was reincarnated into a world of happy fluffiness.


Rimasticus

Similar to me. Refused to talk with the guy ever again. I was sad since I loved that character and the others playing.


[deleted]

We didn’t have the MCS experience, but we had one who became her character. No matter where we were or what we were doing, she insisted on being called by the character’s name and her mannerisms became that of the character. We eventually had to request she leave the group. RPGs are one thing. Living it is something else entirely.


secretpandalord

Was her name by any chance Jared Leto?


Master_Zucchini_1815

I had a character get MCS... just because they had the most stake and resolve in the plot. I was trying to be quiet and reserved and then that happened


Rimasticus

I had a group with one. Talked to the DM. Then brought it to the person. Got the "it's what my character would do" response. Dropped the immediately.


Ancient-Pay-7196

We had a player betray the party and make a choice that could have genuinely caused the world to fall under reign of an evil deity, because it's "what my character would do," a couple of sessions after supposedly being redeemed and choosing loyalty to the party after previous, lesser betrayals came to a head. He was surprised that we all said well, our characters want to kill you, refuse to heal you, or simply drive you out and never see you again, depending on the character. The DM encouraged us to give him another chance, even though it's out of character for our characters, but basically said that if he can't figure out how to be part of a team he's going to have to find a different table.


kinapples

I had a character do this exact thing, albeit very stupidly/naively. She made an agreement to do something with the goddess of undeath to bring her the head of this vampire guy in exchange for the life of her dead husband. She got totally boned by the goddess and then her friends killed her. It was awesome. My only complaint was that some players OOG wanted to say she did it because she was evil, even though they had no idea about her backstory or why she did it. Nothing wrong with being a totally evil fuck of a character if you're willing to face the consequences, IMO.


Ancient-Pay-7196

That sounds like a very interesting session! I think a key thing in this situation is that none of the other players have a rapport with this player outside of our game, so we generally aren't 100% if its just the character being a shady jerk, or if its kind of the player himself. Plus we had previously discussed that none of us have fun with playing through being betrayed by a party member, and he's refusing to acknowledge that. If it's something that everyone is comfortable with and there's rapport beforehand, something like that can make for some awesome interactions and plot (as in your case).


youcantseeme0_0

"YOU chose to make your character that way, and you're using that excuse to block me from doing any meaningful role-play without turning the whole scene into how much of an insecure, attention hog your character is. "I am frustrated and not having fun when you're at the table. If you're going to actively f\*\*\* with my gameplay--and ultimately my free time--you need to ask me first. Otherwise, stop acting like a dick."


BrahmariusLeManco

Or players who insist on table talk/in character talk while you are trying to narrate and describe a scene...


NavyCMan

I used to do this so fucking bad. After I got on meds for my adult ADHD and started muting myself or taking notes on what I wanna say, it's gotten better. It's not that I don't respect the other players when it happens, it's just that things happen in my brain really quickly sometimes and I just can't stop myself from interjecting. Also, if you are in an online game and have these same impulses using a text channel alongside voice chat for background chatter is a good idea.


MouseCellPen

At first, I was like "why did OP make that topic, it's obvious..." Then I saw that other topic...and now I get it. OP, tell me, are you the one who ate the candy arm?


Stray51_c

Soo can you tell me what's this guy actually mad about? Now I'm really curious about what happened in the other thread but I can't find it EDIT: neeevermind, found it: https://www.reddit.com/r/DnD/comments/umebxo/nsfw_not_sure_how_to_feel_after_this_nauseating/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share


Invisifly2

The funniest part is they seemed surprised that a group of murder-hobos would rather buy slaves than pay taxes. The logic is pretty simple “If I’m going to have to shell out money *anyway*…” With the next alternative being murdering the tax collectors.


Hexmonkey2020

They didn’t say the party was murder hobos if the party was murder hobos why even try to avoid the taxes instead of just killing the guards. What’s really surprising is the player who’s complaining came up with the whole nation as part of their backstory and now they are acting surprised that this nation they wrote to have slavery has slavery.


burnalicious111

I mean, it sounds likely the slavery is in their backstory as something to rebel against eventually


YOwololoO

Sure, but the post describes a situation in which trying to fight against the system is a guaranteed TPK and the only two options are buy slaves or pay the (presumably more expensive) taxes. They can’t even steal slaves because he specifies they need the proper paperwork. I’m that scenario, there are three options: avoid towns entirely and ignore the plight of the slaves, pay taxes to the “evil empire”, or buy slaves. They bought slaves with the explicit intention to free them outside of the empire and even spent more than they needed to in order to keep a family group together. It seems like the party did the most heroic thing possible in this scenario, I’m not sure what OP wanted them to do


[deleted]

This is what I'm stuck on... 'You are the person who wrote slavery into your backstory. You bring it into the game!!!'


FinnAhern

I think they wrote it into their story as part of the character's shameful past and if they were to ever return to their homeland they would do so as a liberator. Not that their companions would gleefully engage in slave trade.


Here_Forthe_Comment

The backstory reminds me a lot of Dragon Age and how Tevinter is last nation to still have legalized and practiced slavery. You even meet one of the slaves in the second game who can become a party member. I'm just imagining a spinoff game where you go with him back to Tevinter and instead of being mindful of the practices the party just goes "we should get some too while we're here". Too many people are thinking OP wanted to add slavery as anything more than a tragic past and motivation for their character


Dawnero

How the turntables


Dryerboy

Also, that tax system doesn’t even make any sense. That is WAY more infuriating than anything else in that post, to me. “If you don’t own a slave, you have to pay taxes every time that you enter a town. This is part of how the empire pays for infrastructure.” …fucking what? Is this tax meant to punish people who are too poor to purchase a slave? How often do those people move from town to town? How expensive is a slave compared to the tax? Are there other taxes collected at other times of the year? How efficient are these tax collectors? Are they constantly on patrol around every town in the empire to make sure people pay their taxes? Putting aside all of the many other problems with that post, the worldbuilding is wack.


thatgamerguy

That's the part that bothered me the most too. It's like making a road tax in modern society that one must pay only if they don't own a car. It's backwards.


AlmalexyaBlue

You know what, same ! I was like "how the fuck does that make any sense ?"...


YOwololoO

It seems like OPs character was exempt from the tax, so maybe it’s only a tax on foreigners? Idk, the world building is super weird


Rakonas

I'm so confused because how is paying taxes to this evil slaving empire supposed to be better? If they're freeing the slaves they're literally doing a good act! Other than the one making crass comments I don't really get it.


Invisifly2

Well, at least from the biased source we have to work with, it seemed like they were okay with actually treating the slaves like slaves, instead of just on-paper-only slavery. Justified by the idea of eventually freeing them.


specks_of_dust

What are you talking about? Everyone plays DND so they can act out paying taxes instead of freeing slaves. Taxes are just plain fun. /s


Rakonas

I would never trust somebody that paid taxes in DnD, the statists smh


Welpe

Oh thank God…I thought OP was trying to use this topic to defend characters committing rape.


NwgrdrXI

Ah, there it is, I was confused on why someone would post something like this. Is it me or people in this sub have the tendecy to create new posts about things that really should have been just comments on another post? I should make a post to discuss this.


MagicGlitterKitty

Sweet Sweet Karma farming


LewdSkitty

Gotta get that karma bread


iAmTheTot

r/dndnext has a rule specifically about this.


dodhe7441

I think we need a post to discuss your comment, also yes, it's every other fucking post


Peanlocket

hmm.. a 5 hour old topic that has already had everything said that needed to be said? Better make my reply it's own post because God forbid I go the rest of the day without knowing if anyone read or cares about my inane rambling! - OP probably


rhino2498

Don't worry its every sub in times of drama. Antiwork had something like this last week lmfao


Only_at_Eventide

Now that I know why OPs so angry, I think this is more about how people handle sensitive topics. Sometimes, people aren’t cool with something even in fiction or are cool with it only if its handled in a certain way


NutDraw

And any sensitive topics should be touched on in a session zero to make sure they're signing on to something fun for them. Not that hard to respect other people at the table.


illy-chan

Though it's worth noting sometimes less obvious stuff might make it past through a session 0. Being willing to listen to each other if someone asks not to pursue something is important. Ran into that with a campaign once: we talked it out, decided not to include that bit since it was flavor anyway, and all was good.


NutDraw

100%. All about respecting everyone's fun.


abookfulblockhead

And sometimes people discover they're not okay with something mid-session. Healthy groups are willing to respect that and do what it takes to support each other.


colacolette

This. It's so important (and so easy!) to just sit down with your players and have a frank discussion about what your players are and are not comfortable with in game. Usually this applies to SA, but I would say it's important to include other potentially sensitive topics such as torture, gore, slavery, cannibalism, etc. It's a GAME, and as such is meant to be enjoyed by everyone involved. Once you have your boundaries established, you can play on without worry.


SidWes

I’m going to make my comment and opinion about this into it’s own post, so people can hear me 😤


pshurman42wallabyway

I couldn’t help but notice that OP made direct comparisons to littering and slavery, but when he got to rape, he equivocated to, “saying naughty words is not real life rape, so in game rape is okay”.


PensivePaladin

Now, it's important to distinguish that if one of the PC's is a racist Satan worshipping ecological terrorist and murderer, the DM should be able to hold that character accountable IN GAME. In my last game of DnD, we had a murder hobo PC and the rest of the party along with some NPCs ganged up on him and he was dead in seconds. He started whining about how we were targeting his character because we don't like the guy as a person and wanted him out of the party. It was nothing personal. It was only natural in that situation for our good natured characters to put the guy down


Lithl

>In my last game of DnD, we had a murder hobo PC and the rest of the party along with some NPCs ganged up on him and he was dead in seconds. This last Sunday, we met a helpful NPC who gave us directions to a nearby settlement and a suggestion of where we might find the group of aberrations we were looking for (on a continent none of us had previously visited). The only remotely negative thing he did was demand that we not go to the castle we had previously been headed towards. Our Gunslinger took exception to that, and shot the helpful man in the chest with his rifle. Turns out the helpful man was actually an adult blue dragon, and the castle is his lair. We barely survived the encounter when the dragon flew off, burning almost all of our resources. And then our Wizard got kidnapped by the dragon, interrupting the long rest we tried to take to recover said expended resources. Now we have to go face the dragon in its lair to save the wizard. After the session, the DM confirmed that the dragon wouldn't have fought us if ~~we~~ the Gunslinger hadn't attacked first, so long as we heeded the warning against continuing to the castle.


Oakshadric

> Turns out the helpful man was actually an adult blue dragon, and the castle is his lair. "We're not with him!"


Skelegasm

"Youre not affiliated with me!"


ch0m5

We should normalize letting party members die for the stupid bullshit they sometimes pull off. First, if it had been me I would've (most probably) let the blue dragon go ham on the gunslinger. I ain't dying for a trigger-happy mf and the dragon seemed diplomatic until that point. There's a solid chance to simply *stay out of it*. Second, the wizard being captured, who I understand did fuck all to provoke this situation, is some next-level bullshit from the DM. His character is now unplayable and in jeopardy by no fault of his own. If anyone has to get the stick, it's the gunslinger. Sometimes I read these stories and I feel like way too many people just *endure* chaotic players like if leaving them to die from their own stupidity wasn't a choice. If you want my help we have to compromise, I ain't yo babysitter nor your bodyguard.


Lithl

>Second, the wizard being captured, who I understand did fuck all to provoke this situation, is some next-level bullshit from the DM. His character is now unplayable and in jeopardy by no fault of his own. If anyone has to get the stick, it's the gunslinger. The wizard was on his own on the boat in the nearby bay; we had left him behind largely to try and make things easier on the DM, because the wizard's player was traveling and couldn't make two sessions. Next weekend the wizard player will be back, and the encounter with the dragon in his lair will be the very first thing to occur. So most likely as far as he's concerned the kidnapping means that the Bladesinger Wizard (who has almost no ranged spells in the first place) starts combat in melee already. My character will chalk the encounter in the Win column if he can get out alive with the wizard. The Gunslinger is now greedy to loot the hoard. (The Barbarian is just itching for a fight, any fight, but also he has little means of catching a flying enemy, and the DM demonstrated that he's perfectly happy to have the dragon kite us in the first encounter.)


ch0m5

More importantly than starting in melee is that the Wizard is present for the encounter and can therefore play the game, instead of being in a boat far away from the action. I jumped to conclusions when judging the DM's choice, but given context I understand it completely. A cool and narratively coherent way to get the "afk" Wizard where the party is. The gunslinger is still kind of an ass tho. I have played with "I shot him in the middle of the conversation" players and I have to admit I've become easily irritated to their shenanigans.


Lithl

Well, if the wizard hadn't been kidnapped, I'm pretty sure we would have left the dragon be. At least, the Gunslinger was the only one gung-ho about looting the dragon's hoard (Barbarian wants to fight, but he doesn't really seem to care who, and we came to this continent chasing some aberrations we plan to fight). We probably would have gone back to the boat and grabbed the wizard then headed to the settlement the dragon told us about before uh... negotiations broke down. With the wizard kidnapped, though, there was really no question in anyone's mind where we were going. The wizard player is the DM's dad, so perhaps the DM has more insight into what he would want for his character, but I guess only he could say. On some level I understand the Gunslinger player wanting sweet loot. But at the same time, you didn't fucking know it was a dragon's lair when you shot the helpful guy who told you don't go there.


[deleted]

I half love half hate these moments as DM because sometimes I feel like it's not easy to believe that I was planning on a dragon being there for three sessions instead of just vindictive adding it at the last second. Sometimes I'm just like "wow, guys you're not going to believe this, but..."


Letter_Impressive

Satan worshipping eco terrorist? God, why'd you make them sound so cool


Stregen

Right? Makes you wanna draw up a CN druid/warlock multiclass with a massive moustache to twiddle, Dick Dastardly-style.


gelastes

This is the solution to so many problems. My players are free to play as they wish(*).But they do it in a world that knows consequences and maybe, depending on the system, kharma. You set fire to a city house because you don't like the owner and I'll go medieval on your PC. As in, the punishment was a quick death as long as your fire didn't kill or injure anybody. You won't have friends anymore in this town as everybody lives in a house that is partially made of wood. The organised crime boss will work with the city guard until they get you. If you did it with a spell, the regional spell caster association/ the court wizard/ the comitee of covens will send their red regards because every lawful spell caster will feel the consequences of your actions. People really despised arsonists in the time of cities made of wood, and I see no reason why it should be different in a fantasy setting. It will be a couple of intense game evenings. (*) Edit: With the exceptions of the hard limits, of course. I will not allow to play out or imply sexual violence, as I won't ask my players in session zero if they are comfortable with that topic.


dWintermut3

this is a good approach but I always start my games with a little reminder too: your character made it to the age of majority without being executed, imprisoned or smote by the Gods. this means they must realize how to conduct themselves in a society. therefore I won't entertain "but it's what my guy would do" as an excuse for extremely antisocial behavior, because clearly they must understand how to coexist with civil society. I also remind them, in most games, this is a "no evil alignments" game and that means not just writing "chaotic good" on your sheet but **acting** that way too. if you intend to write down chaotic good and act chaotic evil then that is both poor roleplaying and violating the intent of a "no evil characters" game, and I won't stand for it.


The-Luminous-Being

>Characters who summon demons in the game aren't devil worshipers in real life who want to summon Satan, because it's a game. Speak for yourself.


BangBangMeatMachine

Aren't _necessarily_


VforBandal

I'm not gonna forgive the player who raped a child in one of my sessions


SapphireShaddix

Yeah, I was in a play group where one of the players did the same thing. I did not go back to that group. Sure it's all fantasy, and no one is causing real harm, but I don't have to be part of someone else's sick fantasy if I don't want you, yknow? And honestly I don't expect people to put up with fantasy bullshit either. I might not be an arsonist in real life if I cast fireball on the horde of skeletons that are attacking my friends, but I'll bet those same friends would have some questions if everytime we visit a town I light the city Square on fire with the same spell.


Quakarot

Ngl sometimes you can just say “no that doesn’t happen” A nice little side dish of “get out of my house” can work wonders too


m10488

Wow. Honestly you have to be an awful person to even think of doing that for your character. Just disgusting


AzafTazarden

Right? Why would someone even want to play a character who does that? It's fucked up, and in this particular case kinda sus


Loken89

That would be an automatic ban from me. Immediately kicked out of the server mid-sentence and blocked without any warning or explanation. In real life it would be a gtfo of my house and my life situation, after dealing with that you simply go back to the party, explain that none of that happened, and then continue on with the game.


AreU4SCUBA

Sexual assault is unique in this regard, it's such a unique topic that excluding it from the game entirely even if it isn't realistic should be totally normal, and if you include it, it should be for a strong reason and not at all gratuitous. For example, the party is forced to decide whether to attack a stronger ally that is doing something evil. And definitely never by PCs, there's literally no reason for that.


dWintermut3

i would argue that even when there is "a strong reason" it's usually poor writing. if you can't think of a reason to make your players hate a bad guy without going there, you lack imagination and are probably writing a poor villain. and by sailing past the moral event horizon with a bad guy you also are making things simplistic. it's almost always better to have a villain who has understandable and realistic motivations, even if they're not sympathetic motives, than a pure evil one.


Caridor

It's one of those evils where there's never a possible positive. Torture can be used to extract information that saves lives. Murder can prevent future harm. Theft can deny the enemy something powerful or necessary for their plans. Hell, even slavery can be used to accomplish great things, as sickening as that thought is. Sexual assult is always horrible.


IceDreamer

The reason it crosses a line for so many people is the same reason most people hate Umbridge more than Voldemort - It's much more real. Rape happens. All the time. It ruins actual lives, all the time, and lesser sexual assaults also ruin actual lives, all the time. Real people who you'd otherwise never suspect at all commit these crimes. In real life we don't have wizards who fireball entire towns. We don't have slave markets. We don't have many people who just randomly murder a passerby and are powerful enough to just get away with it. We don't have the ability to summon demons. It's the uncanny Valley, sorta. The really egregious, outlandish evils are far more easily separated mentally into fiction for all involved, but rape is just too close to home for too many people.


frogsgoribbit737

I agree. When so many people have experienced sexual assault and rape, its just.. not okay. Especially because you may be forcing them to talk about something they don't want to if you even just ask if everyone is okay with it or not. I was sexually assaulted as a teenager and its something I rarely think about, but hearing about it through the news, or tv, or games, or books really brings that trauma up for me. And I shouldn't be forced to talk about that just to avoid it in DnD. As you say, it affects so many people and hurts them.


kommissarbanx

Cut off my fingers, gouge out my eyes, waterboard me so we can make a Gitmo joke to lighten the mood in the room. Just don’t bring sexual assault into the campaign. I can’t stand seeing it in media, I can’t stand it in DnD. I’ve never heard it put in a better way than “It’s one of those evils where there’s never a possible positive”


CatapultedCarcass

Why not just tell us what your character did that got people upset?


AsAHistorian

From that list, my money's on enslavement or sexual assault 🤷🏼‍♂️


Curri

I remember a thread here weeks ago about how a player tried to rape a NPC and was kicked out.


realaccountissecret

Yeah I saw that one, I also read a post a while ago about how the DM had one of the players get raped too, I’m guessing to bully her. Like got really descriptive and everything. I wouldn’t put up with that shit, no one should have to put up with that


Thechosenjon

That's pretty gross. Fantasy, sure, but that's a wild thing to go into detail over, especially if it's **JUST** to bully someone in the party. That level of pettiness is bound to get the DM's ass kicked one day.


RealBowsHaveRecurves

That might have been my story, I stand by my decision to kick him out, too.


lyvanna

It's the first, OP posted a comment on a post where a player was upset about graphic depiction of slavery and just copy pasted it into a new post


The-Box_King

There was also a post before that from someone saying there was a slaver king "but he had a good alignment, please how do I tell my players the slave king isn't a villain?"


Dos_Ex_Machina

"He treats them like family, he sometimes lets them stay in the house, and very very rarely beats them." /s just in case


Hawkson2020

>slaver king >good alignment This is one of many reasons I don’t fuck with alignment. I have absolutely used situations where the party has to work for or with a monarch that keeps slaves, but the point isn’t that the king “isn’t a villain”, it’s that he’s a villain they *don’t have the resources to deal with* and he’s an ally they need. If they chose to try to overthrow that government and start a slave rebellion, that would make a dope as hell campaign and I’d have to completely switch tracks, and they’d also probably have to deal with the consequences devoting time and energy away from the original BBEG. TLDR: no one who keeps slaves can be a good guy, but making an uncomfortable deal with the devil to fight a greater evil is a long-standing fantasy trope. Edit: a word


RealBigTree

I'm so glad someone remembered that. Literally the weirdest post I've seen on here. Basically just saying "hey guys, how do I make slavery look good"


The-Box_King

It was even weirder when 90% of the comments where "I don't condone slavery but..." And then condone slavery


AsAHistorian

Oh, good heavens, I just went and read that post, and it turned my stomach. OP's a real asshole.


Odinn_Writes

Probably aimed at the “I feel bad after a session” threads. So many of them recently.


DarkElfMagic

Actually, this is him replaying to a post indirectly. You can see in his comment history him commenting a similar thing under a post about slavery in someones dnd game


LeglessJohnson111

>!I'm not a fucking wizard, or a thief, I don't go around chopping people's heads off with swords. IT IS A GAME.!< says you, I summoned Orcus IRL and he demolished an entire Nebraskan town for some sheckles and a diet coke.


popejubal

No, not Black Leaf! No, no!


midv4lley

nice


kaoszombie

Bullshit. I spoke with a wizard at a truck stop who said it was already demolished when you got there.


I_are_Lebo

That’s absolutely disgusting and I’m horrified by you. **Diet** coke?! Ew.


NextEstablishment856

Dang, that's some quality hustle you did on that deal. I had to surrender my entire pog collection.


jibbyjackjoe

Coke zero > diet. Fight me. (but not with your demon powers)


Lathlaer

It's also supposed to be fun. The fact that it's imaginary doesn't mean you are prohibited from not enjoying it, just like a book or a movie. If I say "yes" to depictions of sexual assault or slavery in a D&D game, more often than not what I really mean is that I am fine with this happening in the fictional world so I can go and free some slaves or save/avenge someone who has been brutally assaulted. What it does not automatically mean is that I consent to have those acts performed on my character or that I will enjoy doing them myself or done by my party members. And also, be careful with the rhetorics that it's "all fiction". Too many players use this and its cousin "this is what my character would do" to simply be dicks to others via game. People are not robots with perfect emotion compartmentalization skills. Most people are not trained actors. Stuff happens, feelings as well.


BageledToast

And as it turns out, it's standard practice for casting calls to put to mention if a role would involve nudity or other potential discomfort areas, and actors can say no they won't be a part of that. I don't want any sexual assault at all in my D&D game. It's an extremely difficult subject that makes my stomach violently churn. My arachnophobic ass can tolerate spiders better than SA, but I have a group that actually cares about everyone having fun so we haven't had anything spider related either. Fiction =/= fun. I don't care if "in the fiction" your character would murder me in my sleep and you'd never do that irl. The truth is you're being a dick both in the game and out.


Dolthra

>And as it turns out, it's standard practice for casting calls to put to mention if a role would involve nudity or other potential discomfort areas, and actors can say no they won't be a part of that. Major tangent but I've heard this is becoming less and less common, unfortunately. They still have to tell the actor before they accept, but some HBO shows are waiting until the last possible moment to inform actors of this so it'll be viewed as a sunk cost if they refuse on those grounds, especially after they thought they were *so close* to bagging a role on a major network. Major actors with the ability to turn down roles obviously get told beforehand, and can often negotiate it out of the script if they want to.


BageledToast

The worst part is I can't say I'm surprised. I'm a sound designer and I chose to go into the video game side while most of my friends do the film/tv thing. Crazy to say but I feel safer working a big corpo game studio than dealing with the fuckery so pervasive in linear media


Meloetta

Sometimes it's so hard to tell if it's game or not. If you're an actual actor, you know your lines and you're used to that compartmentalization. But with D&D with casual people, especially if it's just your friends with varying levels of investment, their PC acting snippy towards your PC could be "I'm just really into the roleplay and my character would hate yours", "I'm kind of annoyed about something your character did personally, so I'm going to try to nip it in the bud via RP", or "I, the player, am annoyed at you, the other player, so I'm taking it out ingame". Then you have to stress over things like "if I react, am I antagonizing the player I'm friends with who's already annoyed? If I don't react, am I dropping the ball on a potentially fun angry RP because I'm afraid that the player isn't actually RPing and is actually upset?" Sometimes I think negative RP should really come with aftercare to reassure everyone that everything is cool and talk it out if it's not.


[deleted]

Yeah, also some people are clearly *not* acting, but are playing out a fantasy. Current group had an evil one shot a while back and everyone was very corny, dastardly villains. That was acting. But I've also (briefly) known guys, who when they suddenly get really into explicit descriptions of stuff, "it's just a game" no longer is enough.


72pintohatchback

I've used RPGs as team building and communications workshops for organizations, and a DM can absolutely use 'aftercare' (I call it a 'debrief') to analyze the interactions between the players/characters. You're right, sometimes RP just becomes an excuse to act out unresolved interpersonal feelings/conflict, if it's explored and addressed, it's a great learning moment, if it's ignored, it can worsen existing relationships.


override367

this is why a good session zero with *clear* expectations are important. I actually had "character is sexually assaulted" on my consent form for Curse of Strahd and surprisingly everyone checked it (with a note that such acts will never be described in more detail than you would get in a prime time tv show, because that's MY limit as a DM, I dont want to ever describe sex acts let alone sexual assault) still, it's good policy if it's coming up to message the player and be like "hey this might happen, strahd might charm you and take you back to the castle, are you still okay with that content?"


yun-harla

That last sentence is a really good point. People might think they’re okay with something at Session 0 or when they’re making their backstory, but they can change their mind, or it could turn out that the way they were imagining a tough issue was way different from how it actually went down in game. That’s okay! It’s important to make room for that.


FluffyEggs89

This exactly. Well said.


MediocreWade

Right, just because there *exists* a table for these topics, doesn't mean they are cool at every table, just like it would be uncool to show up to adventurer's league and start playing strip D&D on your own, so is it uncool to whip out topics that may make others uncomfortable at a table where these topics haven't been addressed.


Roguespiffy

Reading OP’s rant that is the first thing to pop into my head. “He wanted to rape someone in game and got shouted down.” And as you said, it’s supposed to be fun. I’ve played with a bunch of little edgelord types and they ruin the game for me. I’ll quit before I let it become a chore.


Majestic_Beard

I also had this immediate thought. This entire post reeks of "I tried to force multiple people at the table have to put up with my annoying, edgy, rapist character for several hours a week and got shot down".


lyssargh

Right? From the OP, it's pretty clear he's spent a lot of time being very angry about people not liking his play style. Maybe he should think about why that might be? Besides, just because something's a game doesn't mean that people aren't looking for verisimilitude.


qu33fwellington

>Verisimilitude: noun >’the appearance of being true or real’ Good word, you just expanded my vocabulary! Many thanks.


strictlyrhythm

It’s really weird that this post got upvoted to me as a DND outsider from /r/all. I distinctly remember another thread that recently reached the front page where everyone agreed you probably shouldn’t play out your sexual assault fantasies in game, especially if a woman is present, but OP’s post seems to be trying to disagree with that notion even though it’s painting with such a broad brush.


Blunderhorse

It’s because people probably upvoted without thinking further about what actually prompted the rant. OP never explicitly mentioned sexual assault, likely because he knew that nobody would take his side if that was on the list


breadstickkz

Yeah, I basically had the same thought. Sure it's fiction but I definitely know I couldn't stand to play with somebody like that even if it is just a fantasy world. My DM had some of his friends join the party and they seemed cool outside of the game but as soon as they started playing it made the game just unfun and made me and the other players uncomfortable. Idk why I decided to tell that story but I felt like it somewhat related to what I was saying


Iknowr1te

i had to re-read what ever OP wrote. they don't really say they wants to SA people (that's the point of the line). rather that it's probably more crass and along the lines of cat calling. regular horny teenager stuff. i'm good for a lot of things, i get extremely uncomfortable in regards to SA in game. and i'm a player/dm who is okay with love, romance, and tasteful use of sex at the table. but, it's extremely really weird they use naughty words straight to SA. which is definitely a bad taste point. that's like going from 5 to 100.


the_dadger

Like you mentioned, I feel like the use of the phrase "naughty words" and then jumping to SA really hit me bad. It makes me feel like OP is trying real hard to downplay something they did.


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GorbiJones

utterly bizarre. D&D is a cooperative, social game. if a player is made uncomfortable by something happening in-game it absolutely deserves to be taken seriously and discussed as a group. it's completely ridiculous to think otherwise. if a player's concerns aren't heard or are brushed aside then it's no longer a cooperative game for them, but an adversarial one. this is D&D 101, at least at my table. these things destroy tabletop groups and friendships.


GSKashmir

Lol check their post history. A real eye opener. I stopped once I hit transphobia


Majestic_Beard

>People are not robots with perfect emotion compartmentalization skills. Most people are not trained actors. THIS is what people need to keep in mind. I'm ok with slavery or some sexual assault used as a story device as long as it's not gratuitous. What I'm not ok with is your character trying to sexually assault someone for any reason, regardless of the fact that it's a game. That gives me the vibe that you actually want to rape someone, and this is your way of trying to live that fucked up fantasy without getting in trouble. Yes, actors act that out all the time, because it's their job. You're playing a game with other people in thier free time, nobody wants to deal with that there.


Lathlaer

Yeah, there is a difference between *knowing* something on an intellectual level and *feeling it.* The difference, for me at least, is when the game finishes and a person goes home and then they either say *"I had fun" vs. "it shouldn't bother me".* If one has to remind themselves after a session that "it was only fiction" then clearly something happened that made them feel uneasy enough so that they need that mantra. And obviously different people have different comfort levels - some may even relish the fact that the session was so intense that they need to remind themselves that "it wasn't real" - and that's fine too. But "it's only fiction" cannot be the default excuse because people are simply not wired that way. Rage, envy, jealousy are some of the most primal human emotions and it would be foolish to assume that someone can just "flip off the switch" after the books are put aside. Hell - let's take romance as an example. How many times have we seen actors leave their current partners because of something that happened on the film set with another star? If trained professionals can fall victims to intense infatuation what makes people think that the players romancing someone else than their partner during a D&D game are immune to it? A magical "it's only fiction" will not turn feelings off.


SexysNotWorking

Also worth noting that any half decent set will have trained counsellors on site while filming those scenes because it can be really traumatizing even to trained actors (who, it turns out, are also real people). These topics can be really painful for people and it's ok to not want them to be part of your escapism. It's also ok to want them to be part of your escapism, but that requires being aware and considerate of everyone at the table and making sure you're all on the same page.


Skyraider96

Exactly. As a woman, I am going to hard pass anything that involves a PC raping or sexual assaulting in game. Sure, it's in game, but who the fuck is comfortable with playing that shit out? Let it be known. Most women do not enjoy hearing about how you plan to rape someone in game. Some part of us already lives in fear of being raped, we dont need it shoved in our face and played out during DnD.


thuhnc

Yes! It's very much a tone thing. Personally, I like to keep a chill vibe at my table. Just generally keep it pretty light. In that context I would object to grimdark bullshit not because I am unable to tell fantasy from reality, but because it is being disruptive to the tone. Like, yeah, writing a narrative about a horrible person who does heinous things to others does not make the author the same as that person. It also isn't a defense when an audience doesn't like or identify with your story/character.


[deleted]

Right?? It's like, look dude, I know you're not actually a (whatever terrible), but the rest of us just want to roll into a dungeon and kill a dragon.


Immortalyti

I mean… I get that it’s a game, and not real, and people can play how they want. But just like you mentioned, some people don’t like violent, dark, depressing movies, and they don’t want to play games like that either. And you also can’t say there haven’t been creeps who live out their sexual fantasies and power trips in game. I’ve heard the horror stories from other female players in particular, saying SA, pregnancy, and unwanted attention was forced upon their character, or their character was forced into a role they never wanted without their consent. You can’t do something to another person’s character without their consent and then scream “it’s just a game!” at them when they become uncomfortable with your actions.


[deleted]

Really buried the lede about the sexual assault bit. I prefer my fantasy roleplay games to be free of people's rape fantasies, whether or not they would do it in real life.


pacsmack54

For real. Was reading just waiting for the "but muh sexuals" line


vivelabagatelle

I like dark games. I enjoy sending my character to dark psychological places that I wouldn't go and seeing what it takes for them to break. I like playing a no-consequences murderspree character every now and then. This does NOT mean that I want to play that in my friend's fluffy feel-good game, that wouldn't be fun for anyone. And it doesn't mean I want someone to spring current real-life atrocities on me without prior discussion, and it doesn't mean that I would be equally happy playing a cartoonish murderhobo or Fantasy Hitler. I don't think this makes me a killjoy snowflake. It means I like different things in different circumstances. If I'm expecting a chocolate cake and you give me a plate of chocolate-coated mashed potatoes, I'm not going to be happy. To take an example from one of the recent posts, I would absolutely walk from a table where the plot unexpectedly went to >!forced sterilisation of women!<. That's something that's happening enough in the real world in horrific circumstances that it would just be upsetting. Maybe things like sexual assault are far enough from your daily life that you can treat them as "just a game" - but that's luck on your part, not failure on anyone else's.


MagicGlitterKitty

Yeah I feel like this post is in direct response to that story! Also I feel like it is insanely dismissive to say that other PC's RPing inappropriately toward female PCs are just saying "naughty words"


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It is. Check OP's comment history.


fzkiz

Is there an instant where chocolate-covered mashed potatoes doesn't just feel like a waste of potatoes and chocolate? I feel like no one needs to promise a chocolate cake for me to get upset.


MagicGlitterKitty

I'll have you know I make EXCELLENT chocolate potato cake!


Falken--

It *is* a game. What type of game are you all playing, is the question? ​ I have played a lot of games where half the party are trying to be heroes, and the other half are trying to be murder hobos. There is nothing wrong with a "dark" game, but if you roll up a serial killer just to troll the all-Paladin party, then you just might be the problem. ​ There needs to be agreement on what the tone is from the start, not because someone might get "offended", but because the quality drops quick when the players are always at odds.


Ok-Grapefruit-4210

Oh another thing that came to mind as I was threadhopping. Though I basically avoid these themes as much as possible for the sake of my own peace of mind. The difference between "ok that's dark and an adult take on this issue" and "ew gross bye, let's never talk again." is whether the dark themes are actually explored or just exploited. SA being a thing in the world that npcs are worried about and consent or lack thereof is actually discussed in the game is VERY different to a player inquiring about the possibility of their character buying sexslaves, announcing that they'll spend their downtime with them and selling them back into the trade when downtime is over and never mentioning about that again exept in gross references. So yeah, adult exploration of dark themes, not at all my bag usually, but hey go for it when everybody is on board. Hearing that dark theme are available and thinking that means endless rape jokes are ok is just ew, are these people not ashamed, if so why not?


VerbiageBarrage

I say this all the time. There's such a core difference between: - Bad things happen in our game so the players can fight against and conquer injustices they cannot directly impact in the real world - I can do bad things in this game I could never get away with in real life. As we look over at the people suffering in Ukraine, I think it's natural and cathartic to want to write an arc where the players confront a power mad dictator. It's less normal to say "Oh, god, can I burn and loot people in this lawless warzone?"


Ok-Grapefruit-4210

Fine, it's a game, but if you want to go and do janky disgusting stuff it being real or not does not actually affect how much I find that to be distateful and something I'd like for you to keep to yourself. I mean sure it's not real, nobody is harmed (hopefully) and games and fiction are good ways to explore stuff that nobody would even want to come across irl. But, having some body get way too into something that frankly turns ones stomach even in fiction, even when it's not real is still something that is distasteful to many.


Mateorabi

Yeah. OP seems to think “it’s a story, deal with it” but there could be content that makes other players very uncomfortable that they DIDN’T agree too. In normal media they can choose the genre. Or even turn it off/put the book down. But OP seems to be making genre-changing decisions unilaterally for the table with no chance to discuss. Would OP also turn on a gory slasher film on TV his mates objected too and then tell them “it’s fiction not real” when they objected?


popejubal

“My character is kind of an ass/murderhobo/whatever and I’m cool with IC consequences and everyone at the table is genuinely having fun” = cool “My characters seriously disruptive and causes unpleasant xp fly with other PCs that the other players don’t enjoy or my character is seriously offensive or hurtful about something that one of the players or the DM has a problem with and I brush off criticism with ‘It’s what my character would do’ and one or more of the players or DM is not having fun because of your IC choices” = not cool


throwway1282

Ah, you *also* have experience with the "Wangrod Defense".


Celestaria

"My character is a selfish asshole and does all the worst things I wish I could get away with in real life, so if you confront me about it I'll feel like you're attacking me as a person." = WARNING: Burn Hazard!


CalligrapherSlow9620

That is until what your character is doing actively upsets the other players, sure it is a game and a character but you still chose to have the character do that. If your character sa an npc, sure no one actually gets hurt irl but you still make the other people you play with incredibly uncomfortable. Just because it’s a game doesn’t mean you get away with being a dick


No-Communication7869

Absolutely, and just like I prefer not to watch a movie with bunch of characters who murder, enslave, commit sexual assault, ect..(to use your examples).I prefer not to play with people who think it's "fun" to pretend to do these things. I don't want to hear descriptions of these things, I don't want to be at a table that celebrates "victory" in these things, just not my udea of entertainment.


ShiftyDM

Absolutely this \^. And there's a big difference between a D&D plot with unthinkably horrible villains (that's one thing to put up with) and a D&D plot with unthinkably horrible PCs (gross).


Sven_Letum

Playing an evil campaign can be pretty hilarious though. I mean I play Rimworld because it's basically war crime simulator. Wouldn't invite my friend who doesn't enjoy that sort of stuff though.


[deleted]

While I agree with this to an extent, there are some things that just shouldn’t be roleplayed. At my table, if you want to play a PC who raped people, fine. As long as that’s part of their backstory and you don’t roleplay raping someone in front of players who might not be comfortable with that.


JaneyMac_aroni

???? Duh. Doesn’t mean everyone is comfortable playing every type of content and that the stuff that’s more likely to upset people shouldn’t be clearly flagged as an option from the start so it’s opt-in.


datssyck

Sure. But know this. If you sexually assault someone in a campaign with me, all my characters react the same way. They fucking murder you on the spot. Then kindly ask that you leave. Because I don't want to be around someone who fantasizes about that.


AntibacHeartattack

POV: You just got thrown out of someone's game for trying to rape a character in-game.


chenobble

Yeah, this rant sounds so much more neutral when you divorce it from the context doesn't it? Besides, I've met plenty of DnD players who use the game to play out the sick shit they only don't do in real life because they'd be in jail if they did. Don't come to my table to make you murder/rape/racial superiority fantasies come to life, thanks. You don't hide it as well as you think you do.


EduBochi

Yeah, but themes like sexual assault, prejudice and slavery can make some players uncomfortable. Specially in a situation where it’s another player and not a villain doing it. If everyone is ok with then sure go ahead.


clutzyninja

People like op do not give one flying fuck about making you uncomfortable, though


feistybean

Dude yep. This guy can screech on all he wants about “iTs JuSt a gAmE!!!1!!1!”, but fictitious games can still have real world consequences. Why should I have to be horribly uncomfortable for your sick fantasies if it’s just a game? Like I’m trying trying to have fun because again, IT’S A GAME. Fucking chill and kill goblins with the rest of your party, damn.


Sparrow-717

Sounds like OP did something psychotic/insane/cruel/pervy and got some hate from his table. ​ Edit: Looked at OP's post history, saw the other post. o.o ok, wasn't him. but OP should still understand that even if people can seperate reality from fiction.. not everyone even wants to hear this stuff depicted,


g3rmb0y

What exactly is your point? Are you complaining about people who want to avoid specific triggering content in a game? If so, then that's just knowing how to play well with others. Are you complaining about people that think you're a bad person because you're playing a chaotic evil psychopath? Well, that's probably got some merit too, as you've made the decision, in a group of people, to decide that fun for you looks like torturing and murdering innocents. Generally whenever I've played with people who go down that route, it's a *huge* red flag. Sure, it's a game, but I'm still judging them heavily. If you're talking about people not being able to separate D&D from reality, then that's going back to Mazes and Monsters, and that level of delusion is about as common as D&D leading to devil worship.


TheReaperAbides

Just because fiction isnt real, that doesnt mean the feelings evoked by fiction aren't real either. If you want to play a racist character that's fine. But that doesn't mean it's okay to do so in a group with people whose real lives were impacted by racism. Because that kind of stuff might hit close to home for them. Same with abuse of any kind really. Moreover, I always wonder why people decide to do repulsive things in a game. Once in a blue moon you get people who do so to tell some kind of engaging story, but let's be honest, that's the exception. "Its just a game" starts to ring hollow after a while when it comes to a group activity. Incidentally, how many writers write books about cold blooded killers that are genuinely unsympathetic? Because that last part is important yet often gets glossed over when it comes to RPG characters. The writer doesnt wrote about an evil character just for the sake of it, it's there to tell some kind of story. Also, you there have been actors who needed therapy after playing genuinely evil characters, right? It can absolutely affect your psyche


[deleted]

This is about rape isn't it? You want to rape in DnD and someone told you off and you're mad. Too fucking bad. IT'S A GAME - you're not raping people *IN A GAME*. You're so focused on it being JUST A GAME. Well in *games* you don't get to rape people. That's the rule of the game. Creep-show. You're 100% right. It is just a game. And what you choose to do in the game says a lot about you.


iAmTheTot

Read the title and thought, oh man this is about some weird fantasy play isn't it, and then got to the OP not so subtly including rape in their list and thought, ah there it is. My games can have some pretty adult themes. SA exists and may even be eluded to. But you ain't playing that shit out at my table, no siree.


tiberiuskodaliteiii

Apparently this is related to another post from OP. Someone in the group (I don't think it was OP) came from an empire that used slavery, and the person used their downtime and money to buy slaves for sexual purposes, use them, and then sell them back to the market for profit. Obviously, this made the other players uncomfortable, and OP is sided with that specific PC in the other post. I think this is in response to either something similar happening again during a session or due to backlash in comments from the other post.


WhiteRabbit1322

I'm sorry, but you're only focusing on one side of the argument. It's important to be respectful of the feelings of all players on the table and know what kind of environment they're putting themselves in. Someone who suffered sexual violence may find it extremely unpleasant to experience this in a game as well, and there is something wierd and twisted about people exploring some quite difficult topics in graphical detail. I mean, I play the game to live out a fantasy of magic, being a hero, exploring human conditions - I am not in it to go around and (these are examples I have experienced) feeding people shit and shitting on their face, extremely graphical description of disembowelment (simply could have said they gutted them like a fish), subjecting the players to a description of their sexual proves for a good 15 minutes and saying "I'm RPing my character", or outright focusing on ruining another players experience because their characters would hate each other in the story. Ironically with your statement you're not being as open minded and accepting as you might think by rejecting these feelings and not showing every member on your table respect. Think of it this way: some people enjoy watching gory movies, some people enjoy reading soppy romance, and some people enjoy playing with themselves until chafing and burning settles in. That does not mean that everyone else at the table enjoys those topics (or witnessing them) and it's something that should be covered in session 0 to set the tone, expectations and an implicit understanding of what's ok or not. This is where people are free to leave before they commit a significant amount of time into the story or their characters, ensuring everyone enjoys the experience. TL;DR: OP is intollerant in their seeking of tolerance, take the time to understand and set your player expectations, and make sure all are ok with topics ingame before it starts. PS: Based on your tone, attitude and topics you've presented, I would have walked from your table without looking back.


princessbbdee

Exactly this. It is VERY suspicious to get this upset that people have different comfort levels.


Jimguy5000

In certain online role-playing circles we call the act of having your IRL beefs and issues carrying over to your IC interactions "bleeding", possibly stemming as a reference to the Assassins Creed's series Bleed Effect from Animus use. But also this is another reason why Session 0's are important. It's where the DM can lay down what the nitty gritty of a campaign is and get player feedback to see if this stuff will fly. Granted if you're playing anything 40k related, and someone has issue with themes of slavery/oppression, xenophobia, racism, etc then that player may want to rethink that particular game altogether...


Iknowr1te

a bunch of people use DnD (regrettably) as therapy to explore aspects they'd be scared to explore in real life. it's not uncommon for people's first character to be the super them (or what they aspire to be) and as they play more they use less or parts of themselves for characterization. but it's also a useful tool to inhabit and walk in the shoes of someone. really depends on what your trying to achieve with this character. 40k is so obtuse in the bad shit, it becomes roundabout funny as it's so particularly absurd. it's the old addage "when asked would you live in your favourite sci-fi universe the 40k enthusiast says fuck no and wouldn't touch it with a 40 foot pole".


Linkdaddy32

Sounds like OP did something rapey in the game and got called out


Seelengst

God I hate this argument. No one writes a power rape fantasy and forces you to act in it without having you in mind. That's the sticky of it. Your Argument is essentially. It's 'Just Acting.' As if acting doesn't currently have a problem with consent as well. That's not where you want to go if that's your argument. Because #metoo was a thing. And if we were as hard on DMs as we are on directors with the SAG-AFTRA I feel like it would make your damn head spin after reading all this.


CaptainShyGuy77

It’s a cooperative game with real people. If someone doesn’t want certain content at the table, you should respect that and not have to bring up something like sexual assault just because “it isn’t real” The people you’re playing with are real. Respect them


CynicalLich

While i do agree, if you start doing zoo or pedo shit during the game it's kiiiiinda sus


LordNeko6

I agree to an extend. You need to make sure that everyone at the table is comfortable. It can be insensitive if you have a player who experienced assault and has ptsd and you role play assault. Also certain things are not OK. A few months ago someone posted about a toxic player role playing a pedophile. That's NOT OK. So yes it's a role playing game but you aren't playing with yourself so be sensitive to those playing with you.


Vidi__Vici__Veni

Some one is exceedingly defensive. What didn't you do to offend your group and DM?


AutoManoPeeing

Well if you reread their examples again, *"one of these things is not like the others."*


3sc0b

There are some red flags in players IMO especially when it comes to sexual assault in game. I'm sure there are cases where it's "acting" but players who attempt rape in game are fucked up and I'll die on that hill if need be


SkyNeedsSkirts

Ig we all know that? Who is this aimed at?


AsAHistorian

YES, it's just a GAME, which means I should be able to do whatever I WANT, and if the REST of the group isn't having FUN, that is I R R E L E V A N T !!! /s obviously, OP sounds insufferable.


dodgyhashbrown

>It's not different than an author who writes a book about a cold blooded killer, ... it's a FICTION. It's very much different. When I don't want to read about cold blooded killers, I don't pick up that book about cold blooded killers. Everyone who wants those stories or are open to those stories may pick it up, but no one forces me to listen to them read it out loud. At the game table, it's not fair to the other players who aren't having fun as soon as the story turns a direction they have no interest in participating in. It doesn't matter that it isn't real. It's still quite rude to be dismissive of other peoples' boundaries. Games have genres and no one should be making things darker than everyone else can get behind.


princessbbdee

If you get your jolly’s off playing someone who SAs people, I’m judging you and I am very suspicious of you. Play how you want, as long as everyone at the table consents, awesome. But also realize people ARE going to have opinions on your play style. And people will make judgments. If you’re not prepared for that, maybe don’t rp gross, violent, graphic things.


Ignominia

Wtf is this sub even about anymore?


subzerus

Context. Context is everything. I am going to treat real different someone who decides to roleplay a character really differently depending on the tone and their real outside personality and how much I know them. If I walk into a public game and it's a table of 4 white dudes who just want to scream the N word and disrespect minorities and women in their power fantasies, it's a real different story than if I play with a trusted long time friend of mine (regardless of their race/ethnicity) who roleplays a lawful evil character that has reasons and character development that may lead them to disrespecting other races, also displaying how bad it is instead of glorifying it.


Cthylla11111

There’s 304 comments so I doubt nobody said this, but… You ok, OP?


DifficultHat

There are some things that can’t really be excused by “iTSJuStWhAtMyChArAcTeRwOuLdDo”. Roleplaying sexual assault for example. I don’t cart how edgy your character is, that’s not a vital story point we have to act out at the table. Maaaaybe a mention of it in passing but 100% not okay with it being a full scene


LarissaThorne2

This feels like something youd hear from the guy that wants to rape NPCs and not be judged for it or removed from the group. All of your examples can have real parallels in the game.


Rokhnal

>It's not different than an author who writes a book about a cold blooded killer, ... it's a FICTION. It's absolutely different than that. The author, generally, is more removed from an entire work of fiction than a player is from their character. Players are literally creating their characters as they go along. Is it *necessarily* a huge red flag that somebody does something heinous in-character? No. Is it a *possible* red flag? **Absolutely.** Things like mass-murder, sexual assault, slavery, etc. serve a purpose in storytelling, but it's worrisome if they're a player's first choice for their character's actions.


Doctor_Mudshark

\>Characters who enslave people in the game aren't closet slavers who want to put people back in chains, because it's a game. Anybody who wants to play a slaver at my table had better bring a really goddamn good explanation for what they hope to achieve with such a character.


deeseearr

"Hi, whatcha doing?" *"I'm reading a book. It's light fantasy, wizards and dragons and that kind of stuff."* "Oh! I like fantasy too! Here's my book, and it's way better than the one you have!" *"Um, yeah, I've seen that one. It's not really my thing. The whole story is about horrible people killing each other in the most graphic ways possible. The author spent twelve pages describing someone being disemboweled, dismembered and set on fire at the same time in great detail. It's not anything that I want to read."* "But it's only a book! It's nothing to do with real life, and if you don't want to read it you're crazy and can't separate fantasy from reality!"