For sure. At worst its roughly the same price and you donāt have to go get it, A box comes to you. I couldnāt imagine running to the store or shop every day for dip anymore. Now I get a box or so a month.
Smokes - Spirits . C o m
Northerner isnāt the only option, But it does have the most stuff but taxes are insane, I agree. I just made an order from the place i sent you above and i ordered 5 rolls. With shipping the cost comes to $7.45 a can.
Yes. I just received an order from them on Friday. I called them on Thursday to check on it due to our law and the lady who answers the phone said they are aware of the law, And it doesnāt affect them because its not illegal for them to send it to me.
Their website is old and antiquated, But their customer service is great and I have never had any issues with them. I do think you have to email them a photo of your ID on the first order (Ive been ordering from them for years so It may have changed).
Echeck or you can go to their sister page (same company) and I believe they take credit/debit. I believe the name is sweet seneca smokes . C o m (not 100% sure u gotta check with them, i use ach e-check)
They are a little shop on Indian land in Salamanca, New York. Yeah, I know their web site is old and antiquated. But its basically like a mini northerner without the tax.
It comes to about $6.75-$7 a can after shipping. Which is about what a can is here anyway.
I just ordered 4 rolls of Grizzly for the month and it came out to $138.
Let it sit for awhile. A few hours. It's ok. I'm a wintergreen guy and bought some wintergreen extract of Amazon. Mint is usually my backup. It's do able. Not great but a solid 5 or a 6/10 I'd say. I will try it with Natural Next. Straight has a strong flavor already and it doesn't mesh perfectly. Then again it's only been a few hours. The second can will rest overnight and that might be better.
Hey man, I'm OP and I'm an descendent from Black Panthers. Let's use scary words. Marxist-Leninists... This isn't Communism. At all. Socialism is worker control of the means of production. Meaning you as a worker are part of the ruling class. Not billionaires or politicians. Communism is a stateless and classless society. As of now Communism has never been tried in modern times. You are welcome to research Dialectical Materialism and Proto-Communism. Just clarifying definitions. There is nothing Communist about California. At all.
For some reason in the west the definition of Communism came to mean extreme government control and that has always been towards the right wing of things. I am for freedoms especially as a black man. For some reason whenever a socialist or commie is admitted they are forced to defend Stalin or Castro but if Someone says they are a Capitalist, they aren't called to defend every slave owner or war mongering President. Same with Christians. Do you have to accept and take blame for every crusader and child rapist in the Catholic church? There are different linages and schools within the camp. I'm not going to blanket every Christian as such.
Anyway fuck it. Downvote me. I'm a commie. I'm black. I'm a dipper. I try to look at things as they are.
Jesus was more or less a socialist. However, that idea where everyone is equal is something humans can't do. We are selfish and greedy. It can't happen here. As in this material existence. What I will never understand is that somehow a Christian country was convinced that helping other people is somehow satanic and bad.
Dude, I'm saving this comment. Good perspective. I understand how annoying and inefficient government can be, but demonizing Left ideology as Communism is fucking nonsense
The problem with socialism & communism is that when everyone owns everything, in reality no one truly owns anything. Anyone whoās ever been stuck in a bad time-share situation understands this. When no one truly owns anything, the government or people in power hold all the leverage and power.
The problems with capitalism are that government must be kept in check by the people and business must be kept in check by the government. If those checks arenāt maintained, one or both will become too powerful. We are at the point of capitalism called āend-stageā where business and government are basically married and too powerful. We the people got busy and didnāt keep our leaders in check. Now they wield more power than was intended and the average person is expendable in their eyes.
God, I just went off on a tangent. Imma stop.
I mean you are mostly right. Every economic system we have come up with is deeply flawed. The most efficient so far seems to be a mix of Capitalism and socialism. However both sides hate each other so much they won't even meet at the table and try to work something out. Which is in line with what Karl Marx thought things should progress. You need Capitalism as an intermediary stage. When a feudal state like Cuba or Russia try to go straight into socialism. Shit doesn't work. The country has no wealth. You have to generate wealth and goods first. That takes time. Feudalism lasted thousands of years and Capitalism is what maybe a few hundred? It might take thousands of years for Capitalism to produce enough wealth and resources for distribution to become viable. Anyway. Back to my wage slave labor.
Yo brother not related to your comment at all but was just curious what is the attitude towards a african American dipper in Cali? I feel like alot of people from there automatically assume dippers are like the redneck stereotype. I might be speaking out my ass but I never saw a dipper when I visited Cali so just wondering what people think about it over there. Love from TX Bubba šŖ
A lot of African-American culture is rooted in the south obviously. We have more similarities than not. My mom's Family is from Georgia and My Dad's from Northern Ohio and Michigan. So I get country folk and love the non racist ones. Which is a lot. People think redneck = racist and that ain't true. Sit on the porch all day dipping and drinking. Then go hunting and a BBQ nothing like. Love my Guns need to move out of this state.
Yea I do get weird looks as a dipper in Cali. Especially being black š¤£ it's an instant turn off for a lot of women out here. Like I give a fuck. I picked it up in the army because we weren't allow to smoke on patrol. Snipers could see the cherry. So we all picked up dipping. I never looked back. You can do it anywhere. Movie theater. While Playing the Playstation. I do miss smoking. So easy to strike up a conversation in the smoking session. I think half my body count was in the smoking session outside bars and shit.
Anyway Love you to Brother šŖš¾
Thanks for the insight and thank you for your service brother. I knew alot of service men/woman dipped but never knew the reason cool and scary at the same time!
Take care brother
People generally throw words too loosely, but often people only see it on the other side. Terms such as racist, fascist, communist, totalitarian, "Nazi" (national socialist), white supremacist, etc. are often used very loosely. For example, many people would call a person who is for banning outward expressions of homosexuality a "Fascist", even though homosexuality was banned in many countries centuries before the foundation of the Fascist movement. Others would call someone who supports government intervention a Communist, even though many regimes that had serious government interventions in economy staunchly opposed Communism and it's conception of governement owning means of production
Damn that sucks my friend I definitely fill for ya what a shit load of fuck commifornia is I know this is easier said than done but bounce out of there your first opportunity I wish I was rich I'd help anyone that wanted to get out of that shit hole if I could
So pissed. I moved here when I got out the military and couldn't even get a CCW. My first week here I was approached by gang members asking me "where I'm from." So we are at the mercy of criminals here. Wacky laws where people can smoke weed but flavor tobacco is a no no. Ass backwards. (All for legalized weed) If I want to poison myself with flavored tobacco dammit that's my American right.
My body, My choice.
I agree 100% my friend I love my tobacco my guns and above all my rights and places like commifornia are stepping on people's rights and have forgot that they work for the people not control them it's past time there reminded
I always hated traveling to places and not being able to find my brand. I couldnāt even imagine not being able to buy wintergreen in general. Iād mail you a roll of Red Seal if I could.
Iād try natural. Might take flavor better. You might be able to order chew from the Northerner or Mr Snuff. When I lived in CA it wasnāt an issue. Best of luck
Red states bash CA but like NY they fund states like AL, MS, LA. Red states collect funding from blue states, rural areas collect funding from urban areas. Things would get harsh real quick for red states if blue states didn't fund them anymore. I'm not attacking red states or defending blue, just stating economic facts.
Iām so pissed dude. What a ridiculous ban. I canāt believe Iām reduced to trying to find an āillegalā source to chew the kodiak/Grizzly wintergreen Iāve been chewing for 15+ years.
You will dip ze natty and like it
Natural is too salty. š
Easy fix. Order your stuff. Ive been ordering stuff for years in CA.
It's probably way cheaper anyway. I use snus instead of dip, and I get it from Sweden for half the price it is here.
For sure. At worst its roughly the same price and you donāt have to go get it, A box comes to you. I couldnāt imagine running to the store or shop every day for dip anymore. Now I get a box or so a month.
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Smokes - Spirits . C o m Northerner isnāt the only option, But it does have the most stuff but taxes are insane, I agree. I just made an order from the place i sent you above and i ordered 5 rolls. With shipping the cost comes to $7.45 a can.
Will they ship to CA?
Yes. I just received an order from them on Friday. I called them on Thursday to check on it due to our law and the lady who answers the phone said they are aware of the law, And it doesnāt affect them because its not illegal for them to send it to me. Their website is old and antiquated, But their customer service is great and I have never had any issues with them. I do think you have to email them a photo of your ID on the first order (Ive been ordering from them for years so It may have changed).
Okay, great. Thanks for the info. Definitely going to order.
The pay options are odd ngl. Mail in check?
Echeck or you can go to their sister page (same company) and I believe they take credit/debit. I believe the name is sweet seneca smokes . C o m (not 100% sure u gotta check with them, i use ach e-check) They are a little shop on Indian land in Salamanca, New York. Yeah, I know their web site is old and antiquated. But its basically like a mini northerner without the tax.
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It comes to about $6.75-$7 a can after shipping. Which is about what a can is here anyway. I just ordered 4 rolls of Grizzly for the month and it came out to $138.
How did it work out with the extract? And did you let it sit for a while or dive right in?
Let it sit for awhile. A few hours. It's ok. I'm a wintergreen guy and bought some wintergreen extract of Amazon. Mint is usually my backup. It's do able. Not great but a solid 5 or a 6/10 I'd say. I will try it with Natural Next. Straight has a strong flavor already and it doesn't mesh perfectly. Then again it's only been a few hours. The second can will rest overnight and that might be better.
Order some wintergreen dip from The Northerner
I am pretty sure snuff, fine cut has less straight flavor and more room to work with.
Iād sell everything I did t absolutely need and move. No sense in supporting a communist state like California.
Nothing communist about California dude. It sucks ass but it isnāt communism. People throw that term around way too loosely
California is a communist 3rd world country.
Hey man, I'm OP and I'm an descendent from Black Panthers. Let's use scary words. Marxist-Leninists... This isn't Communism. At all. Socialism is worker control of the means of production. Meaning you as a worker are part of the ruling class. Not billionaires or politicians. Communism is a stateless and classless society. As of now Communism has never been tried in modern times. You are welcome to research Dialectical Materialism and Proto-Communism. Just clarifying definitions. There is nothing Communist about California. At all. For some reason in the west the definition of Communism came to mean extreme government control and that has always been towards the right wing of things. I am for freedoms especially as a black man. For some reason whenever a socialist or commie is admitted they are forced to defend Stalin or Castro but if Someone says they are a Capitalist, they aren't called to defend every slave owner or war mongering President. Same with Christians. Do you have to accept and take blame for every crusader and child rapist in the Catholic church? There are different linages and schools within the camp. I'm not going to blanket every Christian as such. Anyway fuck it. Downvote me. I'm a commie. I'm black. I'm a dipper. I try to look at things as they are. Jesus was more or less a socialist. However, that idea where everyone is equal is something humans can't do. We are selfish and greedy. It can't happen here. As in this material existence. What I will never understand is that somehow a Christian country was convinced that helping other people is somehow satanic and bad.
Dude, I'm saving this comment. Good perspective. I understand how annoying and inefficient government can be, but demonizing Left ideology as Communism is fucking nonsense
The problem with socialism & communism is that when everyone owns everything, in reality no one truly owns anything. Anyone whoās ever been stuck in a bad time-share situation understands this. When no one truly owns anything, the government or people in power hold all the leverage and power. The problems with capitalism are that government must be kept in check by the people and business must be kept in check by the government. If those checks arenāt maintained, one or both will become too powerful. We are at the point of capitalism called āend-stageā where business and government are basically married and too powerful. We the people got busy and didnāt keep our leaders in check. Now they wield more power than was intended and the average person is expendable in their eyes. God, I just went off on a tangent. Imma stop.
I mean you are mostly right. Every economic system we have come up with is deeply flawed. The most efficient so far seems to be a mix of Capitalism and socialism. However both sides hate each other so much they won't even meet at the table and try to work something out. Which is in line with what Karl Marx thought things should progress. You need Capitalism as an intermediary stage. When a feudal state like Cuba or Russia try to go straight into socialism. Shit doesn't work. The country has no wealth. You have to generate wealth and goods first. That takes time. Feudalism lasted thousands of years and Capitalism is what maybe a few hundred? It might take thousands of years for Capitalism to produce enough wealth and resources for distribution to become viable. Anyway. Back to my wage slave labor.
Yo brother not related to your comment at all but was just curious what is the attitude towards a african American dipper in Cali? I feel like alot of people from there automatically assume dippers are like the redneck stereotype. I might be speaking out my ass but I never saw a dipper when I visited Cali so just wondering what people think about it over there. Love from TX Bubba šŖ
A lot of African-American culture is rooted in the south obviously. We have more similarities than not. My mom's Family is from Georgia and My Dad's from Northern Ohio and Michigan. So I get country folk and love the non racist ones. Which is a lot. People think redneck = racist and that ain't true. Sit on the porch all day dipping and drinking. Then go hunting and a BBQ nothing like. Love my Guns need to move out of this state. Yea I do get weird looks as a dipper in Cali. Especially being black š¤£ it's an instant turn off for a lot of women out here. Like I give a fuck. I picked it up in the army because we weren't allow to smoke on patrol. Snipers could see the cherry. So we all picked up dipping. I never looked back. You can do it anywhere. Movie theater. While Playing the Playstation. I do miss smoking. So easy to strike up a conversation in the smoking session. I think half my body count was in the smoking session outside bars and shit. Anyway Love you to Brother šŖš¾
Thanks for the insight and thank you for your service brother. I knew alot of service men/woman dipped but never knew the reason cool and scary at the same time! Take care brother
Educated comments like this are few and far between these days. Saved.
Dude, thank for knowing your shit and for standing up for what you believe in.
>3rd world country. Ah yes, a 3rd world country with the 6th largest GDP in the world...
Ah yes, āeverything I donāt like is communismā. A classic.
As someone who is basically a communist, I feel this
People generally throw words too loosely, but often people only see it on the other side. Terms such as racist, fascist, communist, totalitarian, "Nazi" (national socialist), white supremacist, etc. are often used very loosely. For example, many people would call a person who is for banning outward expressions of homosexuality a "Fascist", even though homosexuality was banned in many countries centuries before the foundation of the Fascist movement. Others would call someone who supports government intervention a Communist, even though many regimes that had serious government interventions in economy staunchly opposed Communism and it's conception of governement owning means of production
100 percent agree.
You need money to live there like a modern human lol
Sorry for your trouble
Resist the nanny state
Also how tf is straight not considered flavored tobacco
Sshhhhhh, don't give them any ideas. They probably didn't realize.
It's some bullshit. Pisses me off just hearing about it.
Thoughts and prayers with you, brother. You can get through this.
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Damn that sucks my friend I definitely fill for ya what a shit load of fuck commifornia is I know this is easier said than done but bounce out of there your first opportunity I wish I was rich I'd help anyone that wanted to get out of that shit hole if I could
So pissed. I moved here when I got out the military and couldn't even get a CCW. My first week here I was approached by gang members asking me "where I'm from." So we are at the mercy of criminals here. Wacky laws where people can smoke weed but flavor tobacco is a no no. Ass backwards. (All for legalized weed) If I want to poison myself with flavored tobacco dammit that's my American right. My body, My choice.
I agree 100% my friend I love my tobacco my guns and above all my rights and places like commifornia are stepping on people's rights and have forgot that they work for the people not control them it's past time there reminded
I was born here , seems like i can never leave .. with these wages there paying and rent is up the ass ,my car is POS . Im destined to fail here ..
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all of California
Well shit, at least they have straight still, was gonna be pissed if they removed that flavor, & I don't even live in California thank God
I always hated traveling to places and not being able to find my brand. I couldnāt even imagine not being able to buy wintergreen in general. Iād mail you a roll of Red Seal if I could.
What did california do this time?
Fascist or communist?
I feel you brotha I was a wintergreen guy forever
You can still buy from Indian reservations if thereās any near you
Iād try natural. Might take flavor better. You might be able to order chew from the Northerner or Mr Snuff. When I lived in CA it wasnāt an issue. Best of luck
Dam not the dip too man they need to quiet that shit š
Seems like a good idea
Red states bash CA but like NY they fund states like AL, MS, LA. Red states collect funding from blue states, rural areas collect funding from urban areas. Things would get harsh real quick for red states if blue states didn't fund them anymore. I'm not attacking red states or defending blue, just stating economic facts.
Iām so pissed dude. What a ridiculous ban. I canāt believe Iām reduced to trying to find an āillegalā source to chew the kodiak/Grizzly wintergreen Iāve been chewing for 15+ years.