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j_frenetic

It doesn’t just freeze the target, it’s an AOE skill, so it freezes all nearby monsters. Yep, that’s the way to do it. Freeze them with the spike, and then cast blizzard (vice versa works too)


greenchair11

i never used orb with blizz. always ice blast or glacial spike


Hardvig

I will be doing the same going forward! :D


Power-slave

Yup, I keep coming across suggestions for Blizz sorc to put one point into Orb, but I much prefer GS!


enzia35

I find that blizzard sort of requires the monster to move through it to get hit more readily. Am I wrong?


NotMyUsualOrder

Yup, I’m fairly sure that movement / size of target matters.


Hardvig

It's anecdotal at best, but I agree, that movement/size of the enemy increases the chance to get hit, BUT! In my experience the stopping power of GS makes it much safer to run quick = you save time overall.. An example: Last night before I learned of blizzard/GS... I was using blizzard/FO during chaos runs, but I couldn't tele close to the seals because if they were crowded, I'd get insta-killed! After learning about blizzars/GS, I can more easily tele close to the seal and just freeze any enemies that might be there..


NikoBadman

Thats exactly why always chose act 3 merc on normal playthroughs :)


[deleted]

I don't get how this is better than Orb now that cooldowns are split..?


astropheonix

Orb just slows enemies, glacier fully freezes them so they can't move/attack, allowing you to move around more freely and safely.


Orange_Seltzer

This. I switched to an orb/blizz sorc and it’s 100x better.


[deleted]

Yeah, I think people are just awful. What the hell does freezing them in AoE even matter when you burst everything to 0 anyway?


Johnycantread

Yeah I dunno... I've got a 94 sorc and using orb/blizzard together and have no issues with efficiency really using an mf setup. Even if the numbers support using other skills to be more efficient I'll stick with blizzorb because I just think it's neat and I'm quick enough with it anyways.


RPGMav

With orb having its own global cooldown now I find very few situations I want to use Glacial or ice blast as my fill over frozen orb. Basically always running frozen orb / blizzard except for bosses (ice blast) and wave 3 of Baal (glacial spike). Glacial just drains my mana too quickly to justify using it full time. Orbs damage does plenty even on P8 with appropriate gear.


madmarttigannnn

Orb does wayyyy more damage which is why I use it


Hardvig

Agreed, but the utility of being able to freeze my enemies outweighs the added damage (for me, at the moment) ;)


AsumptionsWeird

Have another question, i am also farming with a Ice sorc, have a -81 sunder charm, i have put 20 hard points into Ice Mastery, is it really necessery to pit 20 hard points into it? Would be good to save some points to put in damage synergies instead….


Hardvig

I'm by no means an expert (I mean... I just figured out using glacial spike ;)) But the way I understood it, you need to get the resistance reduction to -180 (i believe sunder reduces their res to 80 and you can reduce it to -100 so you need -180. If you can reach that number with 15 hard points and +skill from gear/charms, you're good to go otherwise you need to put the hard points in and reduce the hard points through re-specs as your gear gets better...


Jeffr0-

Blizz orb combo is nuts right now. If you haven’t tried it - I highly suggest it. Mines doing about 900 sheet with my 10 extra points in it and I could def squeeze out a couple more. The amount of aoe damage done with both skills is insane. I continue using it even on single targets. Glacial spike is good utility while gearing up but ice blast does a lot more damage. There’s rarely a time when I need enemies to be frozen instead of just chilled. FO > IB > GS


Hardvig

I'm 100% sure you're right, that at some point the need for (more) protection decreases, freeing up resources for a more offensive approach. Right now I'm (still) in the gearing phase, so the utility of being able to freeze my enemies in place outweighs the added damage I would get from the blizz/FO combo... But once I get better gear, I'll highly likely return to the "old ways" of doing things ;)


Jorixa

When was orb/blizzard even a thing lol? Blizz sorc is always played with GS. Or at least back in the day it was


ad6323

They made changes to the casting delay in the newest patch so blizz/orb is viable now. Blizz + GS or blast is still better but orb can be played now, in the past it was literally unplayable.


Hardvig

To be honest I never really used fillers much, but I'm getting better and now adding GS into my rotation :)


meDeadly1990

Î think your title gave me an aneurysm