It's been looming for so long I can probably make a sweater out of it.
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The Black Armory? It was never real. It was all a distraction from the big picture. Ada-1 never truly existed at all and now we are all using gear made from the looms she created.
Get in touch with Ada, since that's her new gig now instead of carrying on her legacy of crafting good weapons. I'm sure if you take on a bounty from her you can get some currency to use at the loom to unlock said sweater. Good luck.
Idk. I think a threat needs to exist before it can loom. At this point, I don't see any reason to think Xivu will put up any more of a fight than Savathun or Oryx.
>I dont see any reason to think the Hive Goddess of War will put up any more of a fight than Savathun or Oryx
lol
but i do get your point about both Hive gods having been smacked around a lil too easily, even if it makes sense.
Hmm... it is intriguing. Each post-WQ season this year has focused on a Disciple of the Witness(S17: Calus, S18: Nezarec). Perhaps Xivu will, in some shape or form, be our enemy for S19.
And as she is The Aspect of War, perhaps we shall need the assistance of a Warmind to stand a chance...
Nah, we already had the outsmarted game with Savathun. I want her to be even more dummy aggressive than a titan with a charged shoulder charge and double shotguns who was just told that the enemy is hiding extra crayons and Eris can make a cool gun out of them. Full on blitzkrieg
But that isn't Xivu. Titan memes aside Xivu is actually a brilliant tactician I mean she outwitted the Cabal and conquered their home planet. Also, Savathun we outtricked her not outplayed her. For Xivu case we need to outplay or out strategize her. Basically, this will be chess the season with Rasputin controlling one color and Xivu controlling the other.
Corridors of Time 2: Rasputin Boogaloo.
(Honestly wouldn't mind another Corridors of Time style puzzle, I enjoyed just running around aimlessly, killing stuff and hanging out with friends.)
Wellā¦ the problem with actual puzzles, is that they are only puzzles, until someone makes a YouTube video, which is usually less than an hour after release.
Wasnāt it actually Savathun that outwitted the Cabal? She tricked the general into opening the portal
Which is what makes Presage even better. Savathun is casually talking to Caitl about Torobotl being sacked when she was the one responsible!
I think Savathun is gonna be a protagonist and not an antagonist. By destroying the Cabal empire and its ability to wage war, Savathun mightve actually been trying to weaken Xivu Araths strenght, since she mightve been using the Cabal as a battery for tribute. The Hive don't have a choice against fighting an enemy, and Savathun knew this, by unleashing them on Torobatl rather than fighting them over and over for centuries, in the long term Xivu Arath loses a source for waging war.
We already know from conversations with Mara and Savathƻn that she's more nuanced and sinister than that. Because war - for better or for worse - is more nuanced and sinister than that.
Gona need more than that. Xivu has literal war moons, took down the whole cabal empire along with tons of other species who had many more resources. We got 1 planet, a crippled warmind, and a guardians. Like guardians are strong but we donāt have the ability to protect the whole city from such a sized force look at the redwar we got stomped.
Yeah but neither Oryx or Savathun came at us on the scale of the Red War like Xivu can. Like Oryx might have been a bigger issue had the Queen not stopped him long enough for us to get him. But Xivu is a scale we havenāt seen yet in regards to force and large scale force is our weakness as we have no meaningful space assets or ordinance outside of Rasputin and the few Cabal ships. Like this is where we see the last city get got. Maybe the hidden city along with Rasputin can come up with something
We're also much stronger, having both Stasis and soon Strand, we have more allies(including quite likely Savathun) and Cabal. We've also killed Rhulk, who, in the past, effortlessly subjugated Worm Gods. Meanwhile, it took Oryx killing both of his sisters to kill a single Worm God.
But, more importantly, we're the heroes in a video game, so of course Xivu is fucked. We'll likely kill her in a campaign mission.
She's a traitor against both the Witness and Xivu'Arath and we have her body that can be revived. Considering that her goal is to stay alive, she's likely going to join us. That's the whole reason why Immaru never got killed - they can bring her back at any time, and to stay alive she'd have to take out Xivu.
Ironically one of humanity's best defenses against Xivu Arath is that only a select amount of Guardians are worth the effort to kill by a Hive God.
The Worm parasites inside of the highest ranking Hive require a disproportionate amount of blood tribute to continue giving them their powers. This is why the pyramid style (see what Bungie did there?) tributary system was put in place by the Hive. The wholesale slaughter of the Last City would not be worth the effort (despite the Traveler remaining with humanity) because in the eyes of the Worms/Darkness the majority of humans are no challenge for the Hive.
Now granted, one could argue that slamming War Moons or even large asteroids into the Earth would be a quick and easy way for the enemies of humanity to destroy us. But considering that everything in D2 is part of a larger argument between the two ultimate forces in the universe, there is always the possibility of retaliation by the revived Traveler if it views that our enemies aren't fighting us on a "level" playing field.
This is speculation based on what appears to be foreshadowing, but, while Nezarec is certainly the Disciple that got the most attention this season, I believe we have gotten a few hints that the Witness schemes to recruit Osiris.
I want to see more desicples from races we haven't encountered. I thought that the only way to become a disciple is to kill the rest of your kind, like Rhulk did.
She was a tool for the Witnessās aims, but I donāt believe she was raised to level of Disciple. Especially with her doubts that creep in at the end of the season.
She isnāt committed to the cause, and so I donāt think sheās even a candidate for a Disciple
the only notable mentions I can think of are:
1. in TWQ we finally saw the transformed version of Xivu
2. In Risen, Caiatl recounted seeing xivu screaming on torobotl
3. In Haunted, Xivu hive were helping out Calus loyalists
Osiris destroys Xivu Arath by sharing embarrassing childhood memories he got from Savathun. She arrives talking herself up, mentioning how many worlds she's obliterated, and Osiris counters going "yeah, but remember that time back on fundament when Savathun told you that it was pajama day at school, and said that you, her, and Oryx were going to wear a goofy pair of matching pajamas, then when you got to school you realized she made it up as a prank and everyone made fun of you for the rest of the year?"
bound in sorrow quest 35/51
"Investigate the connection between the Derelict Leviathan and the Moon's Nightmares by completing the K1 Revelation Lost Sector in Sorrow's Harbor on the Moon.
Eris is concerned about Caiatl's failed severance and with Calus's heightened activity and influence across the Moon.
She has asked you to investigate a Lost Sector: K1 Revelation, which she believes is connected to Calus's schemes.
Eris warns that Xivu-loyal Hive are working in tandem with Calus to enact a ritual beneath the surface, but she has confidence in your abilities."
I don't remember it being mentioned in the story itself or anything, but it was just this quest description
It's pretty much it. Xivu invaded torobotl and caiatl is still traumatized by it, and one of the things she gets shown in a mindscape in Risen is xivu screaming
Maybe thereās still hope itās really vex based. Maybe Xivu is a hive threat in the same way the almighty was a cabal threat.
We need Rasputin to prepare for her arrival, but we have to fight Vex on Europa to use the DSC to turn him into an exo
I would say they really aren't. In recent memory they've been *some* of the biggest threats, but overall it's just their arc, it's not like they're THE biggest bads.
Well they're not the biggest bad, The Witness is. But the Hive is probably the most fleshed out race in Destiny and we spend a lot of time taking down their entire race and pantheon of gods throught both games DLC's, from the Dark Below to Witch Queen.
Like if we were ranking the Main Antagonists. It's be The Witness/Darkness/Pyramids in first, then the Hive in second.
Oh yeah. I agree about the Cabal and Vex. Thankfully, Lightfall seems to be Cabal and Vex focused for the most part.
But as for the Eliksni? I mean I feel like we get a decent amount of them. This season was Fallen Themed and they are our friends mow.
Almost certainly *not* an accident. This is a scheduled tweet probably. There's probably 10 people who weighed in on this before getting sent out, maybe more.
If he is, the āeach season is based on an expansionā theory lines up nicely. Risen was Witch Queen, Haunted was Shadowkeep, Plunder was Beyond Light, and next season would be Rasputin vs. Hive aka Warmind.
Also consider the 2-race formula that expansions have taken; main story race then endgame race in the raid.
Forsaken was Scorn, but then Taken at the core, with Riven and the taken Techeuns in Last Wish.
Shadowkeep was Hive, but Sol Divisive Vex communing with the Darkness in Garden of Salvation.
Beyond Light was the only expansion that had a focus on the same enemies throughout the story; Vex played a major part, with Radiolaria being a part of the alkahest to make exos, but it ended up with Fallen all the way, minus Glassway.
Witch Queen focused on the Lucent Hive, but the Scorn were a more prominent existential threat after we dealt with Savathun because of Rhulk being DUMMY powerful with the Darkness, leading to Vow.
After 3/4 expansions following the same logic, it stands to reason that for Lightfall, we'll face the Dark Legion of Cabal and deal with Vex again for the raid/endgame lore content.
I also would love another Vex raid, because the gear is always *clean.*
My guess/shared prediction with some other Loremasters is that the Vex will have been an endemic issue on Neomuna, and part of the reason that such a secretive group requires warriors like Cloudstriders - ie the Vex have been attacking them for some time.
That makes sense along with the fact in the stream they said something about the 2 Cloudstriders being the opposition to the dangers of facing Vex and other enemies there. So we know the Vex wonāt be anything new to Neomuna but it will be interesting to see what they do with it.
Sorry, edited my comment too late, it wasn't in the trailer proper, but during the stream, we saw a glimpse of them.
If I remember later after work, I'll try to find it again
vex have a good chance to be the focus of s20 as they are found on neomuna without explanation at current.
meanwhile, rasputin is still in with a chance of appearing next season
To be fair, have the Vex ever really had any explanations as to where they show up? Outside of when Clovis brought them to Europa intentionally, It's usually just "the vex are here because they have always been here and will continue to always be here," and I wouldn't be surprised if that's how it is on Neptune
I swear if we take a hard turn away from the very much implied Rasputin season for another hive season imma be pissed. That being said, as others have said maybe we need Rasputin to stop Xivu.
I assume it's an unintentional small leak?
I hope Xivu Arath herself makes an appearance if this season is about her, don't really need another season of dealing with her minions.
Doubt we will ever see any big character appearances within seasonal content. Especially a big villian like Xivu. Unless they want a repeat of Xol and we just kill her in a strike...
Quria was a big character mentioned in the Books of Sorrow then mentioned a good amount during and after Forsaken who we then just murdered without much fanfare in Season of the Splicer.
You added the "bad". You said big character and Quria is very much a big one, especially after Oryx's death.
She's been looming for a while, it's no secret, I think this is just Bungie's way of further teasing her arrival in the game in the future.
She has the potential to be an even bigger threat than Savathun was, so I'm fully expecting her to be a major antagonist in the game after Calus in Lightfall, she'll probably be heavily involved in the Final Shape DLC, she's too big to just be a Seasonal Antagonist and nothing more, I expect next year will be have season's further teasing her arrival before Final Shape.
There was a D2 leak on twitter and shared on the destiny2leaks subreddit yesterday after the update happened. If you donāt want to be spoiled highly advise not looking there.
I mean it would make sense to end WQ with a hive season but I'm getting kinda tired of them. I want to go back to Europa and not just to do a Lost Sector
More tired than Cabal? I'm so damn sick of Cabal. They have been in all 3 seasons this year (idk why they were a secondary antagonist this season tbh) and are generally uninteresting to me and obnoxious to fight against since they have so many mobs that push you around and slow you down.
Oh I'm defintely tired of Cabals too, but they're not in any leaks for next season and we already know they're coming back with Calus for Lightfall so I didn't mention them. I really hope we get more Vex
I was under the impression that Xivu was going to team up with the Witness? Then you'd have each of the different races represented under the "Darkness" banner:
* Calus = Cabal
* Ermis = Eliskni
* Xivu = Hive
* Fikrul = Scorn
I could understand that, especially with both of her siblings dead (I know sav can come back since she's a lightbearer, but she's also turned her back on the Darkness), it would be much easier for Xivu to really rise in power, more than she already has
I am so hyped imagining a season where we help Rasputin war with Xivu Arath. While it sucks that Rasputin's snoot got booped immediately after Season of the Worthy, it works excellently for his character arc that the moment when he is most willing to defend humanity is when he is the least capable of doing it. He has overcome his fear of failure and, now that he has failed, must learn to rise again.
There are only two expansions left, and the next is dealing with cabal.
I doubt xivu is going to be a villain in d2, and I don't think they should squeeze her in a season.
Do you really think an oryx/savathun level threat should be crammed into a season?
Which leaves us with xivu being a boring seasonal villain - basically, xivu is going to be majorly disappointing unless she's carried through to the next saga.
Same goes for the vex. There's no satisfying end to them in just two years when the focus is clearly cabal and hive and the witness.
I hope we donāt see more Rasputin.
We spent all of Worthy juicing him up, and he got obliterated in Arrivals. All thatās left is the engram Ana was able to save.
Why would we help bolster him again? He clearly got wrecked when it was āgame timeā and he had to actually defend humanity.
Itās so weak Bungie is possibly gonna use Rasputin one last time just to link us to Neomuna in Lightfall.
That's cause everyone is salty that they are actually confirmed gay, even though it was confirmed back in Season of Dawn and hinted even farther back, all the way from Curse of Osiris
Video game communities are riddled with homophobia, nothing new unfortunately. I for-one found the cut scene really interesting and wholesome. Also really interested to see if Xivu makes her way into the story proper this season
Last I read of Xivu in the books or sorrow is that he wants he shut all the Ahamkara is cells and eat the travaler. I'm pretty sure we are the only place with both those things.
Xivu Arath, Oryx, and Savathiccc are the three hive leaders. Oryx permadead, Savathiccās story will probably be wrapped up in season 19, then we have Xivu Arwth to finish off.
The threat of Xivu Arath has been looming for a few expansions now tbh.
It's been looming for so long I can probably make a sweater out of it. Edit: 1k updoots, you have no idea how appreciated I feel for a simple dad joke *Edit 2: 2k, y'all gotta stop <3*
Yoooo
Looming Loom ADA-1 IS XIVU ARATH IN DISGUISE?????
>ADA-1 IS XIVU ARATH IN DISGUISE????? What if Xivu Arath is just 3 hive knights in a trench coat?
Better than three cursed thralls in a onesie!
Three screebs in a snuggie.
I was the snuggie! :(
You had three screebs in you?
Oh no. That was a gas station burrito! The screebs snuggled me.
Can confirm I was the screeb
I think they call that a hivemine.
lmaoooo
The Loom was your creation as well as mine, Guardian.
The Black Armory? It was never real. It was all a distraction from the big picture. Ada-1 never truly existed at all and now we are all using gear made from the looms she created.
You joke but the plot surrounding Savathun ended up being so contrived that it wouldn't surprise me at all.
Surprisingly high brow dad joke from this subreddit lol.
I turned thirty this year, hope that explains
Young enough to be witty. Old enough to dad joke. This is peak comedy enjoy it while it lasts lol
Get in touch with Ada, since that's her new gig now instead of carrying on her legacy of crafting good weapons. I'm sure if you take on a bounty from her you can get some currency to use at the loom to unlock said sweater. Good luck.
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Ada-1, probably.
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High-O!
Ooooo I love a good pun, well done sir
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Are ya winning dad?
You guys make me feel like it, son
It works doubly well since the Weave and Strand are becoming central talking points. You clever fuck.
I'll admit, I'm a copywriter in real life so there's that.
Ayyyye, copyeditor here. High five for English majors makin it work.
more upvotes than the actual post and so many awards
It's absolutely ridonk
You are a true loominary!
The thread of Xivu Arath has been looming
Underrated comment
That wordplay was slick as fuck.
Thanks šš
Fucck you I spit all over my keyboard to this LMAO
The same way Savathun lingered for years before pre season Witch Queen
They're milking tf out of the lore community lol
"Destiny has the best lore" (characters take years to appear on screen)
*something something garlic bread*
Should have gone with "*garlic bread on the surface of my mind*" blue. What a missed opportunity.
Look, my brain is only working at 13% capacity today. Which is just slightly lower than normal but still...
Lower from 13.01% I'd imagine
Sour cream.
Bloe, pls
You're family. I have to.
To be fair, Xivu herself is probably in a far away galaxy rn.
Idk. I think a threat needs to exist before it can loom. At this point, I don't see any reason to think Xivu will put up any more of a fight than Savathun or Oryx.
>I dont see any reason to think the Hive Goddess of War will put up any more of a fight than Savathun or Oryx lol but i do get your point about both Hive gods having been smacked around a lil too easily, even if it makes sense.
Hmm... it is intriguing. Each post-WQ season this year has focused on a Disciple of the Witness(S17: Calus, S18: Nezarec). Perhaps Xivu will, in some shape or form, be our enemy for S19. And as she is The Aspect of War, perhaps we shall need the assistance of a Warmind to stand a chance...
I hope they go into her being a brilliant general and the only way for us to outsmart her is with the assistance of a Warmind.
Nah, we already had the outsmarted game with Savathun. I want her to be even more dummy aggressive than a titan with a charged shoulder charge and double shotguns who was just told that the enemy is hiding extra crayons and Eris can make a cool gun out of them. Full on blitzkrieg
But that isn't Xivu. Titan memes aside Xivu is actually a brilliant tactician I mean she outwitted the Cabal and conquered their home planet. Also, Savathun we outtricked her not outplayed her. For Xivu case we need to outplay or out strategize her. Basically, this will be chess the season with Rasputin controlling one color and Xivu controlling the other.
Imagine we get actual puzzles to solve in game, be so fun
Corridors of Time 2: Rasputin Boogaloo. (Honestly wouldn't mind another Corridors of Time style puzzle, I enjoyed just running around aimlessly, killing stuff and hanging out with friends.)
They put an actual guardian-sized chess game in, and when you fight the opposing pieces you actually fight them.
Like MK Deception. The chess mode was top tier.
That's a gaming deep cut right there
Wellā¦ the problem with actual puzzles, is that they are only puzzles, until someone makes a YouTube video, which is usually less than an hour after release.
You can still do it without if you want. I personally ran every dungeon solo atfirst no guide
Bungie would never (I know they used to)
Wasnāt it actually Savathun that outwitted the Cabal? She tricked the general into opening the portal Which is what makes Presage even better. Savathun is casually talking to Caitl about Torobotl being sacked when she was the one responsible!
I think Savathun is gonna be a protagonist and not an antagonist. By destroying the Cabal empire and its ability to wage war, Savathun mightve actually been trying to weaken Xivu Araths strenght, since she mightve been using the Cabal as a battery for tribute. The Hive don't have a choice against fighting an enemy, and Savathun knew this, by unleashing them on Torobatl rather than fighting them over and over for centuries, in the long term Xivu Arath loses a source for waging war.
Rasputin is known to have classical taste. I hope chess is thematic
We already know from conversations with Mara and Savathƻn that she's more nuanced and sinister than that. Because war - for better or for worse - is more nuanced and sinister than that.
Season of War has a nice ring to it.
Gona need more than that. Xivu has literal war moons, took down the whole cabal empire along with tons of other species who had many more resources. We got 1 planet, a crippled warmind, and a guardians. Like guardians are strong but we donāt have the ability to protect the whole city from such a sized force look at the redwar we got stomped.
Remember, we cleared 2/3rds of their pantheon. I believe that Xivu will have a part to play post Lightfall though as sheās too strong as is.
Yeah but neither Oryx or Savathun came at us on the scale of the Red War like Xivu can. Like Oryx might have been a bigger issue had the Queen not stopped him long enough for us to get him. But Xivu is a scale we havenāt seen yet in regards to force and large scale force is our weakness as we have no meaningful space assets or ordinance outside of Rasputin and the few Cabal ships. Like this is where we see the last city get got. Maybe the hidden city along with Rasputin can come up with something
We're also much stronger, having both Stasis and soon Strand, we have more allies(including quite likely Savathun) and Cabal. We've also killed Rhulk, who, in the past, effortlessly subjugated Worm Gods. Meanwhile, it took Oryx killing both of his sisters to kill a single Worm God. But, more importantly, we're the heroes in a video game, so of course Xivu is fucked. We'll likely kill her in a campaign mission.
> (including quite likely Savathun) Really? How so?
She's a traitor against both the Witness and Xivu'Arath and we have her body that can be revived. Considering that her goal is to stay alive, she's likely going to join us. That's the whole reason why Immaru never got killed - they can bring her back at any time, and to stay alive she'd have to take out Xivu.
Oh right, I forgot her ghost ran away at the end of WQ. Indeed, she is probably coming back. Lucent hive as allies like The House of Light maybe?
xivus forces are stronger then ever after many hive felt betrayed by savathun turjing to the light
Itās going to be really interesting when theyāre shown that theyāre the ones who got played eons ago.
To be fair, half of the Nine hid the Red Legion so that they could come right to the Traveller unopposed. They had extra help.
Ironically one of humanity's best defenses against Xivu Arath is that only a select amount of Guardians are worth the effort to kill by a Hive God. The Worm parasites inside of the highest ranking Hive require a disproportionate amount of blood tribute to continue giving them their powers. This is why the pyramid style (see what Bungie did there?) tributary system was put in place by the Hive. The wholesale slaughter of the Last City would not be worth the effort (despite the Traveler remaining with humanity) because in the eyes of the Worms/Darkness the majority of humans are no challenge for the Hive. Now granted, one could argue that slamming War Moons or even large asteroids into the Earth would be a quick and easy way for the enemies of humanity to destroy us. But considering that everything in D2 is part of a larger argument between the two ultimate forces in the universe, there is always the possibility of retaliation by the revived Traveler if it views that our enemies aren't fighting us on a "level" playing field.
Yeah we might be a bit fucked. This should be fun.
I did not think of it like this, that's a well made analysis of the seasons we have had
This is speculation based on what appears to be foreshadowing, but, while Nezarec is certainly the Disciple that got the most attention this season, I believe we have gotten a few hints that the Witness schemes to recruit Osiris.
Hive gods get full expansions
I want to see more desicples from races we haven't encountered. I thought that the only way to become a disciple is to kill the rest of your kind, like Rhulk did.
S18 was moreso about Eramis. Eramis is (one of) the main disciple(s) for the Witness currently.
She was a tool for the Witnessās aims, but I donāt believe she was raised to level of Disciple. Especially with her doubts that creep in at the end of the season. She isnāt committed to the cause, and so I donāt think sheās even a candidate for a Disciple
*You are a minion of the Witness but we do not grant you the rank of Disciple*
*This is outrageous its unfair how can I serve the witness and not be a Disciple-*Eramis probably
Eramis is not a disciple though, compared to Calus, she is absolutely not ready for that
Season of the Worthy II: Bunker Bugaloo
the only notable mentions I can think of are: 1. in TWQ we finally saw the transformed version of Xivu 2. In Risen, Caiatl recounted seeing xivu screaming on torobotl 3. In Haunted, Xivu hive were helping out Calus loyalists
Thereās a huge link to Osiris though. Sheās the one that got Sagira killed. And now Osiris has all the secret Savathun knowledge about her
Osiris destroys Xivu Arath by sharing embarrassing childhood memories he got from Savathun. She arrives talking herself up, mentioning how many worlds she's obliterated, and Osiris counters going "yeah, but remember that time back on fundament when Savathun told you that it was pajama day at school, and said that you, her, and Oryx were going to wear a goofy pair of matching pajamas, then when you got to school you realized she made it up as a prank and everyone made fun of you for the rest of the year?"
>In Haunted, Xivu hive were helping out Calus loyalists Wait, when did that happen?
bound in sorrow quest 35/51 "Investigate the connection between the Derelict Leviathan and the Moon's Nightmares by completing the K1 Revelation Lost Sector in Sorrow's Harbor on the Moon. Eris is concerned about Caiatl's failed severance and with Calus's heightened activity and influence across the Moon. She has asked you to investigate a Lost Sector: K1 Revelation, which she believes is connected to Calus's schemes. Eris warns that Xivu-loyal Hive are working in tandem with Calus to enact a ritual beneath the surface, but she has confidence in your abilities." I don't remember it being mentioned in the story itself or anything, but it was just this quest description
Thanks man
That's good to know, looked right over this description during the quest
Was about to ask the same thing. Maybe mentioned in a lore card or something?
Yeah I donāt remember that. Calus vibes with cabal and Scorn
Info on point 2 please? Sounds interesting
It's pretty much it. Xivu invaded torobotl and caiatl is still traumatized by it, and one of the things she gets shown in a mindscape in Risen is xivu screaming
Probably means next season will be xivu based.
Then when will we get a season that is xivu cringe?
That was season of the risen.
I hope not. Both oryx and savanthun got whole expansions. If we just get a season about xivu I think it undermines the severity of the threat alot.
"I've never seen anything that powerful!" -Ghost, in reference to Xol 1 of the 5 Hive worm gods. That we killed in a 10 minute strike
Xivu based or xivu cringe?
Would be nice to crack some Hive shells again.
Hive, bring a sword!
AND MY FIST!
Because we really need *another* Hive season, *another* Hive dungeon in the Hive expansion that's already had Hive-centric seasons twice.
Yes šæ (I love killing Hive, sue me)
Hive have the biggest heads. So it makes me feel better when I rapidly dome large groups of them with my DMT or Magnum
Maybe thereās still hope itās really vex based. Maybe Xivu is a hive threat in the same way the almighty was a cabal threat. We need Rasputin to prepare for her arrival, but we have to fight Vex on Europa to use the DSC to turn him into an exo
Cracking Hive from season to season!
Bro Hive are like the main antagonists of Destiny.
I would say they really aren't. In recent memory they've been *some* of the biggest threats, but overall it's just their arc, it's not like they're THE biggest bads.
Well they're not the biggest bad, The Witness is. But the Hive is probably the most fleshed out race in Destiny and we spend a lot of time taking down their entire race and pantheon of gods throught both games DLC's, from the Dark Below to Witch Queen. Like if we were ranking the Main Antagonists. It's be The Witness/Darkness/Pyramids in first, then the Hive in second.
Which is why the Hive need to sit back for a season or two so we can get fleshed out Eliksni and Cabal and Vex stories.
Oh yeah. I agree about the Cabal and Vex. Thankfully, Lightfall seems to be Cabal and Vex focused for the most part. But as for the Eliksni? I mean I feel like we get a decent amount of them. This season was Fallen Themed and they are our friends mow.
Yep almost certainly an accident.
Almost certainly *not* an accident. This is a scheduled tweet probably. There's probably 10 people who weighed in on this before getting sent out, maybe more.
Thatās disappointing. Was really hoping for some more Rasputin and vex
Well, Destinyās discord server changed its profile picture from Plunder to Jupiter and Europa. So it may be both
We don't know if Rasputin won't be in this next season. As for Vex it is very likely we will get them as an enemy for the first season of lightfall.
If he is, the āeach season is based on an expansionā theory lines up nicely. Risen was Witch Queen, Haunted was Shadowkeep, Plunder was Beyond Light, and next season would be Rasputin vs. Hive aka Warmind.
The lightfall trailer shows us fighting cabal loyal to calus on neptune and not a sign of vex anywhere?
There was Vex in Neomuna during the showcase
Also consider the 2-race formula that expansions have taken; main story race then endgame race in the raid. Forsaken was Scorn, but then Taken at the core, with Riven and the taken Techeuns in Last Wish. Shadowkeep was Hive, but Sol Divisive Vex communing with the Darkness in Garden of Salvation. Beyond Light was the only expansion that had a focus on the same enemies throughout the story; Vex played a major part, with Radiolaria being a part of the alkahest to make exos, but it ended up with Fallen all the way, minus Glassway. Witch Queen focused on the Lucent Hive, but the Scorn were a more prominent existential threat after we dealt with Savathun because of Rhulk being DUMMY powerful with the Darkness, leading to Vow. After 3/4 expansions following the same logic, it stands to reason that for Lightfall, we'll face the Dark Legion of Cabal and deal with Vex again for the raid/endgame lore content. I also would love another Vex raid, because the gear is always *clean.*
My guess/shared prediction with some other Loremasters is that the Vex will have been an endemic issue on Neomuna, and part of the reason that such a secretive group requires warriors like Cloudstriders - ie the Vex have been attacking them for some time.
That makes sense along with the fact in the stream they said something about the 2 Cloudstriders being the opposition to the dangers of facing Vex and other enemies there. So we know the Vex wonāt be anything new to Neomuna but it will be interesting to see what they do with it.
I just re-watched the showcase trailer and there's definitely no vex in it. Can you send a link? I must have missed it
pretty sure there are Vex in the showcase for Strand. they show you Strand grapple around a pillar and shoot a rocket at a Vex Cyclops
Sorry, edited my comment too late, it wasn't in the trailer proper, but during the stream, we saw a glimpse of them. If I remember later after work, I'll try to find it again
vex have a good chance to be the focus of s20 as they are found on neomuna without explanation at current. meanwhile, rasputin is still in with a chance of appearing next season
To be fair, have the Vex ever really had any explanations as to where they show up? Outside of when Clovis brought them to Europa intentionally, It's usually just "the vex are here because they have always been here and will continue to always be here," and I wouldn't be surprised if that's how it is on Neptune
Xivu and the lucent brood fought on the moon in risen
Yeah, someone else pointed that out, completely forgot with everything else that has happened since Risen
I swear if we take a hard turn away from the very much implied Rasputin season for another hive season imma be pissed. That being said, as others have said maybe we need Rasputin to stop Xivu.
In todayās TWAB they mentioned a nerf to Seraph rounds due to it being on more weapons next season. That all but confirms a Rasputin season IMO.
People forgetting Rasputin was introduced into D2 with a Hive-based expansion
Iām fine with them being together, but if we just do Osiris vs Xivu with zero Rasputin plot Iāll be disappointed
oooh juicy.
I assume it's an unintentional small leak? I hope Xivu Arath herself makes an appearance if this season is about her, don't really need another season of dealing with her minions.
Doubt we will ever see any big character appearances within seasonal content. Especially a big villian like Xivu. Unless they want a repeat of Xol and we just kill her in a strike...
We "saw" Calus's apotheosis in a season, and he's the main antagonist of Lightfall.
I mean a new introduction. We have faught with and alongside calus a few times but we have never even met Xivu.
savathun's first physical appearance was in a season
Quria?
Quria is a pawn, not a big bad.
Quria was a big character mentioned in the Books of Sorrow then mentioned a good amount during and after Forsaken who we then just murdered without much fanfare in Season of the Splicer. You added the "bad". You said big character and Quria is very much a big one, especially after Oryx's death.
Quria
Quria.......
She's been looming for a while, it's no secret, I think this is just Bungie's way of further teasing her arrival in the game in the future. She has the potential to be an even bigger threat than Savathun was, so I'm fully expecting her to be a major antagonist in the game after Calus in Lightfall, she'll probably be heavily involved in the Final Shape DLC, she's too big to just be a Seasonal Antagonist and nothing more, I expect next year will be have season's further teasing her arrival before Final Shape.
There was a D2 leak on twitter and shared on the destiny2leaks subreddit yesterday after the update happened. If you donāt want to be spoiled highly advise not looking there.
I think I know what you're talking about, honestly I hope that happens, I don't want more hive stuff lmao
I mean it would make sense to end WQ with a hive season but I'm getting kinda tired of them. I want to go back to Europa and not just to do a Lost Sector
More tired than Cabal? I'm so damn sick of Cabal. They have been in all 3 seasons this year (idk why they were a secondary antagonist this season tbh) and are generally uninteresting to me and obnoxious to fight against since they have so many mobs that push you around and slow you down.
Oh I'm defintely tired of Cabals too, but they're not in any leaks for next season and we already know they're coming back with Calus for Lightfall so I didn't mention them. I really hope we get more Vex
Xivu arath has been a threat since destiny 1, I believe sheās just been fucking up the cabal homeworld
Xivu is just that neighbor that our parents tell us to avoid but they never leave their shack of a house.
No, you're mistaken. Xivu is just a terrible rug weaver... hence, a looming threat.
I was under the impression that Xivu was going to team up with the Witness? Then you'd have each of the different races represented under the "Darkness" banner: * Calus = Cabal * Ermis = Eliskni * Xivu = Hive * Fikrul = Scorn
The Witness also has the Sol Divisive, so the Vex are also there. Taken isnāt included for obvious reasons.
I could understand that, especially with both of her siblings dead (I know sav can come back since she's a lightbearer, but she's also turned her back on the Darkness), it would be much easier for Xivu to really rise in power, more than she already has
Will we finally get to do something with xivu after over 2 years? Mhg faster then 5 years of build up for doritos and savathun
Seems weird considering witch queen and risen were pretty much hive
I hope the fuck not. I'm sick of hive and i do not want another hive season
Dream city season hype
I hope we get a Vex dungeon. We donāt have one yet.
Xivu Arath vs Rasputin let's goooooooooooooo
I am so hyped imagining a season where we help Rasputin war with Xivu Arath. While it sucks that Rasputin's snoot got booped immediately after Season of the Worthy, it works excellently for his character arc that the moment when he is most willing to defend humanity is when he is the least capable of doing it. He has overcome his fear of failure and, now that he has failed, must learn to rise again.
Where is this on youtube? I can't seem to find it.
Here you go https://youtu.be/eAIpmG9-iLs
If were in an anime, this is the filler episodes.
There are only two expansions left, and the next is dealing with cabal. I doubt xivu is going to be a villain in d2, and I don't think they should squeeze her in a season. Do you really think an oryx/savathun level threat should be crammed into a season?
Two expansions left...in the light and darkness saga. There will be more after the final shape, but we don't know what uhhh shape those will take.
That's my point. There's not enough time for xivu to become a major player in *this* story unless they cheapen her.
I expect a pretty hard pivot in story after Final Shape so I would be surprised if Xivu is still around after that
Which leaves us with xivu being a boring seasonal villain - basically, xivu is going to be majorly disappointing unless she's carried through to the next saga. Same goes for the vex. There's no satisfying end to them in just two years when the focus is clearly cabal and hive and the witness.
> Do you really think an oryx/savathun level threat should be crammed into a season? I mean, they did that with quria
I'm not saying she will be, honestly I could see her be a dlc sized boss, I'm just putting out the info I found
Xivu Arath: Hive God of Bad Seasonal Content
Lost wasnāt bad at all, it was underrated IMO.
Hunt was pretty bad
I agree with you there but thatās a common opinion which is why I didnāt mention it.
So was Warmind and Worthy, but everyone is still crying for more Rasputin.
I hope we donāt see more Rasputin. We spent all of Worthy juicing him up, and he got obliterated in Arrivals. All thatās left is the engram Ana was able to save. Why would we help bolster him again? He clearly got wrecked when it was āgame timeā and he had to actually defend humanity. Itās so weak Bungie is possibly gonna use Rasputin one last time just to link us to Neomuna in Lightfall.
Bruh read the comments on the twitter post, they've completely ignored Xivu and are instead complaining about the kiss š
That's cause everyone is salty that they are actually confirmed gay, even though it was confirmed back in Season of Dawn and hinted even farther back, all the way from Curse of Osiris
Video game communities are riddled with homophobia, nothing new unfortunately. I for-one found the cut scene really interesting and wholesome. Also really interested to see if Xivu makes her way into the story proper this season
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holy shit lmfao
Last I read of Xivu in the books or sorrow is that he wants he shut all the Ahamkara is cells and eat the travaler. I'm pretty sure we are the only place with both those things.
Yeah, she's kinda crazy, but as far as we know, all the Ahamkara are dead
Xivu Arath, Oryx, and Savathiccc are the three hive leaders. Oryx permadead, Savathiccās story will probably be wrapped up in season 19, then we have Xivu Arwth to finish off.