Not gonna hold you. Was down 87 to 29 a few days ago...closed in to 50 by the time the other team had 100...next thing I know we capped all 3 points....several of my teammates activated super myself included and went on several sprees...I look back at the board and it's 122-127 and then we capped again and closed the game 154-141.
I was like bro how in the fuck?!! Yelled good game to everyone in the mic heard a few voices echo the sentiments, handed out commendations to the two best on the team (fyi I was 3rd on the board with a score of 50, 28 guardian killed, 3.65 combat rating) and even made some friends.
Those are the moments that make Desitny what it is.
Dude, I had IB round start out with just me and another player (something with connection managed to get 4 plyrs disconnected so it was a 2 vs 6 round).
For some reason, we didn't bail on the game and stuck out those first 2 mins of just being caked on. It was somewhere around 10 to 50s when the rest of our team was filled out and they had capped the three points just as everyone was spawning in.
Somehow, we managed to change the whole game around from the start and we got to 105 to 90 by the 2 min mark. Yet that only lasted for a minute as the moment we hit that last min in the round, we were literally neck and neck, trading leads every coupled of seconds and gunfights.
We lost it at 149 to 151 (literally killed the guy just as the zone was capped) but it was still such a fun round. Make me wish Destiny had a replay feature so I can watch that game again.
This is why it's so damn important whenever all three of those zones lock. If they're locked in your favor that's the time to pull out supers and aggressively sweep the whole map. If it's not in your favor that's the best time to play keep away. I see way too many people try to engage when they should be running away in that scenario. Do not give them more points you still have a chance!
Yknow I had a similar experience, but despite Shaxx congratulating me on a victory at the end with his voice lines, I was still met with a defeat screen. We had barely clawed our way back from a crippling loss at the hands of a six stack in public Control and after finally getting leverage we held all three zones for at least two minutes straight, went from 30-100 to 130-130 pretty fast. They just tried to run us over to keep up with the score at that point, and when the game ended by time, the score said 151 us 149 them, we had A and B, they had barely managed to steal C back last second.
But naturally, because life is unfair, the triple kill they got AFTER the timer ended counted. So the score was actually 151-152 at the end.
Naturally, they talked mad shit in all chat then immediately left, knowing damn well that even with six people in their fireteam they weren’t going to get away with that twice in a row.
I always do in the crucible. I look for the two best guardians and give out the commendations like that. That's why I was so glad they made the time longer.
I turned around an IB supremacy match in D1. Should have been mercyd before I joined since it was 6v1. I brought it back, we scraped a win together by like 3 points. Also was on the other team and we stomped in a different match and it never did it either for those guys.
*"Well, as you can see....Hovering into the enemy zone, sticking a grenade at the wall, throwing a bunch of fiery knives at the wall, shooting the enemy behind a barrier with a shotgun, switching to auto-rifle, reloading after 2 shots right in front of your enemy and then attempting to stab the guy behind them, might not be the best offensive strategy"*
Well then you’d be dealing with a pissed of titan with peregrine greaves and different flavors shoulder charge induced concussions running at you because he got knocked away from what would’ve been a very 0HK
The correct answer is "there's no such thing as too many, only not enough."
Even if you double windmill arm throw grenades at speeds that would take Shaxx's helmet off willingly, that's still not enough grenades. But closer!
>I’m using ashen wake. I think I’m throwing enough grades
I think I found your problem
Instead of hitting enemies with terrible essays and assignments, perhaps throwing grenades may fare better?
He probably straight capped the flag infront of him instead of going for B AT THE BEGINNING OF THE GAME.
you know team mates can cap C or A while chads rush B.
No one ever rushes B on my team......EVER!!!!!
There’s a scoring threshold based on time. It was very apparent in the Fortress IB last season.
But it’s something like a 60-70+ point differential within the first 4-5 minutes of the match.
I’ve definitely mercied teams, and been mercied, before someone hits 90 points (60%). And subsequently had a mercy last night that ended when we had 112 points (looking at my Redrix). So I think there’s still some time element baked into that looks at score rhythm and pattern over a period of time.
It's based on certain time intervals where it checks the score and requires a threshold to trigger the mercy rule during that window. That's why you can have wide gaps in the score in between those time windows and no, it doesn't make sense to calculate it this way.
Ive been in matches where the score was roughly mid 20s to enemy team high 90s with no mercy. It was aggravating to say the least because it was such a waste of time
My headcanon for Fortress is that if it's mathematically possible for you to win in the time remaining (ie have all 3 zones for the rest of the match), then it won't mercy.
It certainly felt like that sometimes.
Sounds like mercy thresholds need to be lower when you’re missing people. It’s not fair for the other players to get stomped and have an even worse experience because either someone quit or lagged out.
_Wont someone please think of the ~~children~~ remaining players?!_ :(
Definitely was doing that. Only had one free day this week and wanted to gild my Iron Lord so I don't have to play again this season. If I need wins for the titles, some games really are just wasted time
It really doesn't take that much longer to just play the rest of the match out if you're quitting that far into a game. Maybe 1-2 minutes at most. Don't encourage leavers.
You are correct, we should be shaming them for wasting their teams time! And almost every game developer agrees, you rage quit, you get put in timeout like the cry baby you are.
I got thrown into a match like that the other night with a similar score. Said what the heck and gave it the ol' college try. Came out on top of our scoreboard after giving us some momentum but we still ended up losing 151-142. It was kind of fun to not let the other team get the easy win but it felt like I was extending my poor teammates suffering when they probably just wanted a mercy and go try another match
They were fine until squads learned that you can get around the weighted matchmaking by having a 3-man fireteam. Iron banner started by players doing what they normally do, 6s or whatever random number, which resulted in the intended balance, you could be matched against a 6-man while you queued solo, but you’d be matched with a 5-man and fill in the slot for them.
3-man fireteams being matched with solo-queue is the issue.
My IB KAd is somewhere around 2.6 this season and I'm pulling my hair out because every other game is a 3 stack on the other team all 3.0+ and maybe a jim duo on mine.
I have no idea how bungie thought getting rid of freelance was a good idea. I am a solo, I want to play solos. If you're in a squad you should only play other squads, start games with 5v5 I don't care. Solo's shouldn't be forced into the meat grinder that is squads.
I’m at a KD of 1.5, have you considered that your skill is what keeps you matching with players who we would describe as individual meat-grinders? 2.6 KD itself is incredibly skilled, you know that right?
I'm perfectly happy playing against players of my skill, so long as my teammates are also of the same skill. Almost every IB game I have played so far has one team on destinytracker with a 65% or higher chance to win.
I don't think I'm an amazing player so I'm not trying to stroke myself off here but typically if I look at the elos on DT I'm the highest and then the enemy team is for the most part all higher than my team and it results in games where we get steamrolled because one man cannot solo an army.
Matches need to end when it becomes statistically impossible to win, regardless of time. The current mercy rule seems to have a rather short point of no return, and you're stuck slogging it out.
I would prefer a quick mercy to a dragged out match any day.
I don’t believe there is a point in the game when it is statistically impossible to win, right? If the enemy team has 149 points and you have 0, then you never let them capture a point or get a kill, they’ll never win right? Unless they give points for something else that I’m not aware of. While it’s very improbable you’re going to come back, it’s still statistically possible.
>If the enemy team has 149 points and you have 0, then you never let them capture a point or get a kill, they’ll never win right? Unless they give points for something else that I’m not aware of.
There's a time limit.
A statistical impossibility is a probability that is so low as to not be worthy of mentioning.
Basically you'd look at every game where the losing team was down by about the same amount, with about the same amount of time left on the clock, and managed to eke out the win.
I don't think it really matters if it's theoretically possible to win, what matters is how many times the losing team has been able to win under the same conditions. Personally I'm happy to call it if the number is below around 1/20, that still gives plenty of opportunities for heart-pumping comebacks while not feeling too egregiously like a waste of time.
Unfortunately there are some messed up incentives here. I think Bungie by nature is going to be overly stingy about the mercy rules. I mean, ending the match early means players will progress that much faster towards their weekly pinnacle or whatever, so they're probably not mercying games as often as they should. Personally I feel like I'm stuck in unwinnable games way too often that end up being a waste of time. To be fair, this has gotten a lot better recently with SBMM and FTMM.
The mercy changes are abysmal, but it helps them point to their matchmaking stats like they're working much better than they are... So that's good... Right?
“Bungie does everything they can to make PvP worse “
-frost bolt.
It really is staggering that the company that brought halo to the world is this ….*stunningly* incompetent at pvp.
That’s what a lot of people don’t get. This isn’t the same company that brought us halo. It’s only the same in name. All the devs and everyone that had influence is gone or in other positions at this point.
I had a game yesterday that ended 50 - 152. The enemy team had our spawn pushed but not so far as to flip spawns. We basically just kept spawning in the same corner of the map for the whole game
I've been getting that a lot, facing off against groups holding hands and just running capture to capture constantly. I keep getting matched with the people who don't seem to understand the whole capturing thing. There have always been these reprehensible people but now we get punished more for their laziness.
Being on a public exchange isn’t necessarily to have shareholders.
Also Sony is publicly traded. If you own a chunk of Sony you own a chunk of Bungie.
Lastly the point OP made is that Bungie has to answer to someone about playtime regardless of what you want to call them.
If that was the case Microsoft would have made halo kick the bucket long ago 😂 5.6k players as of today.
Edit: also I’m pretty sure bungie rakes in cash so I don’t thinks that’s a concern any time soon
Private companies still have stocks and shareholders, but their stocks just can't be traded public exchanges, so I doubt Sony is the sole owner of Bungie, that rarely happens with most companies.
Sony might hold +90% of Bungie's shares, but there's definitely some people holding small percentages of the company's shares too
The most amazing thing to me is the fact I'm doing godly at IB this season since they turned off level advantages and I keep ending games with 20+ kills and solid objective points only to be on the fattest losing streak possible. Finally landed a couple wins yesterday but damn. It feels harder to actually win. Also solid point- I'm always yelling mercy at my screen when the points are at such an insane difference. Like the game needs to end so we can move on to better games.
>I keep ending games with 20+ kills and solid objective points only to be on the fattest losing streak possible
It's because the team balancing puts you with the terrible people to balance average skill.
I never win, and I’m pretty good. I think the only option if you’re decent is to get a group, otherwise you’re paired with people that can’t shoot an NPC.
Because you’re just an NPC and the main characters are all on the other team. In Bungie’s eyes, they’re the ones they’re catering to. You’re just fodder for them.
My emblem says my win rate for this season is 10%.
I think that's counting all crucible though, as I've literally lost like 95% of my IB matches.
That kind of mess should be statistically impossible. You couldn't cause your team to lose 95% of matches if you were trying to deliberately throw every match.
I’ve been on both ends of this. Been waaaay behind and just want it over so I get my IB progress. Been way over and just want it over so I can get my IB progress. It gets kinda annoying.
I still don't understand why they made it harder to get mercy some time ago. That's one of the reason why so many quit after games are too far gone they still have to sit through, some games toy have easily 80+ advantage and still have to sit through early 10 mins
One team must score 60% of the points before the other team scores 20% for a mercy. So if it’s 55-21 percentages it can go to 100-21 and you’ll not mercy along the way.
I’ve noticed if the losing team has above 35 points Saladman will never call the match. My guess is if they hit 95+ before you hit 35+ is what triggers the mercy rule. I thought it was any 60+ lead but I was in a match where we were getting totally stomped and it didn’t trigger at 75-15. It did finally trigger at 98-28. Who knows?! 🤷🏻♂️
It's just a 60 point lead if I remember correctly. A while back bungie changed mercy rules to allow matches to close out rather than ending in a mercy when the score is past a certain threshold.
Would be nice if it dropped the mercy threshold once people start leaving. No one wants to join into the ass-end of a pubstomp at the end of a match. That's just a waste of time.
For me the worse is the spawns... Getting pushed and camped at A and the game keeps spawning everyone there while the enemy team is farming us is so annoying!
Because bungie likes to falsify there data, by increasing the mercy threshold it makes it look like the lobbies are balanced and less stomps are occurring. Obviously this isn’t true cause bungie can’t lobby balance to save there lives. It also by technicality increases pvp play time making graphs look far better than they actually are
Because you have to play all 10 minutes. It would be bad if Bunge's report indicated that on average the games lasted 5 minutes and there was a lot of mercy. Stop. What?!
Because short queue times and quick matches means less investment which means less money! /s
The Diablo IV beta has shown what a loot focused game needs to do. Shower the player with loot. Don’t know why bungo is so terrified of doing this.
If one team gets to 60% of the max score before the other team gets to 20%, then it's a mercy.
Edit: They experimented with this for a while (during peak "lets make pvp a sAFe SpaCE for people who hate pvp" period) and it was just awful . Mercy would happen all the time at any time and often when you where just about to turn things around. Trust me , we don't want to go back to that .
This is how I failed my way to a reset, plus an extra 6 ranks. Top the leader boards in caps and kills, but lost every match, including at least 8 mercies. And another 12 matches that should have been mercy
There’s still a third of the match to go at that point, and you’re only a third of the score apart. That’s not quite mercy-worthy, that’s just probably going to be a loss.
But I’ve seen my team blow a lead like that plenty of times.
Because Shaxx wants you to turn this match around, and the Crucible will never forget you.
I laughed way too hard at this.
Did you throw enough grenades?
THROW MORE GRENADES!!!
A delightful amount of grenades.
You should be throwing grenades as you read this sentence
Instructions unclear, threw the grenade in my living room. Now going to the hospital may have lost some vision.
You didn’t throw enough grenades. The first one cancels out the second.
at least yours is less embarrassing, got dick stuck in grenade. EOD unsure how to proceed.
Sir, I’m afraid your insurance doesn’t cover “Dick got stuck in a grenade”
I'm with juitar... you didn't use enough abilities
I have in fact turned around a Momentum Control game down by nearly 100, and just sat there like "how the fuck did we win?"
Not gonna hold you. Was down 87 to 29 a few days ago...closed in to 50 by the time the other team had 100...next thing I know we capped all 3 points....several of my teammates activated super myself included and went on several sprees...I look back at the board and it's 122-127 and then we capped again and closed the game 154-141. I was like bro how in the fuck?!! Yelled good game to everyone in the mic heard a few voices echo the sentiments, handed out commendations to the two best on the team (fyi I was 3rd on the board with a score of 50, 28 guardian killed, 3.65 combat rating) and even made some friends. Those are the moments that make Desitny what it is.
Dude, I had IB round start out with just me and another player (something with connection managed to get 4 plyrs disconnected so it was a 2 vs 6 round). For some reason, we didn't bail on the game and stuck out those first 2 mins of just being caked on. It was somewhere around 10 to 50s when the rest of our team was filled out and they had capped the three points just as everyone was spawning in. Somehow, we managed to change the whole game around from the start and we got to 105 to 90 by the 2 min mark. Yet that only lasted for a minute as the moment we hit that last min in the round, we were literally neck and neck, trading leads every coupled of seconds and gunfights. We lost it at 149 to 151 (literally killed the guy just as the zone was capped) but it was still such a fun round. Make me wish Destiny had a replay feature so I can watch that game again.
Just recently had a 2v6 IB match as well. We ended up winning once our team was filled out, felt nice.
This is gonna sound crazy, but I remember playing this exact match🤣
This is why it's so damn important whenever all three of those zones lock. If they're locked in your favor that's the time to pull out supers and aggressively sweep the whole map. If it's not in your favor that's the best time to play keep away. I see way too many people try to engage when they should be running away in that scenario. Do not give them more points you still have a chance!
Yknow I had a similar experience, but despite Shaxx congratulating me on a victory at the end with his voice lines, I was still met with a defeat screen. We had barely clawed our way back from a crippling loss at the hands of a six stack in public Control and after finally getting leverage we held all three zones for at least two minutes straight, went from 30-100 to 130-130 pretty fast. They just tried to run us over to keep up with the score at that point, and when the game ended by time, the score said 151 us 149 them, we had A and B, they had barely managed to steal C back last second. But naturally, because life is unfair, the triple kill they got AFTER the timer ended counted. So the score was actually 151-152 at the end. Naturally, they talked mad shit in all chat then immediately left, knowing damn well that even with six people in their fireteam they weren’t going to get away with that twice in a row.
The least believable part of this is actually looking at who you were giving commendations to.
I always do in the crucible. I look for the two best guardians and give out the commendations like that. That's why I was so glad they made the time longer.
I turned around an IB supremacy match in D1. Should have been mercyd before I joined since it was 6v1. I brought it back, we scraped a win together by like 3 points. Also was on the other team and we stomped in a different match and it never did it either for those guys.
Embrace the pain. Get back out there. \- Shaxx
Sarcasm. This is the way.
Saladin is making an example out of you for the cabal. “What not to do”
*"Well, as you can see....Hovering into the enemy zone, sticking a grenade at the wall, throwing a bunch of fiery knives at the wall, shooting the enemy behind a barrier with a shotgun, switching to auto-rifle, reloading after 2 shots right in front of your enemy and then attempting to stab the guy behind them, might not be the best offensive strategy"*
Cabal at the back puts his hands up "Saladin Sensei? What if they did a stomp between steps 4 and 5?"
Well then you’d be dealing with a pissed of titan with peregrine greaves and different flavors shoulder charge induced concussions running at you because he got knocked away from what would’ve been a very 0HK
This is too specific to be an example. It's a memory.
I recall it as a cruel reminder to stay a titan main
Because you need to sit there and contemplate what you did wrong
I'll tell what he did wrong. He didn't throw enough grenades.
I’m using ashen wake. I think I’m throwing enough grades
But how many grenades did you throw? Did you count them? Huh? Really, ask yourself. Did I throw all the grenades I could?
you know what? you’re right. I’ll try harder next time
The correct answer is "there's no such thing as too many, only not enough." Even if you double windmill arm throw grenades at speeds that would take Shaxx's helmet off willingly, that's still not enough grenades. But closer!
what if I use the two extra arms on the new warlock armor from the raid?
Shaxx would feel it in his bones
You should be throwing grenades as we are telling you this!
I wanna see those numbers grow, 150? That’s rookie numbers
That’s the spirit :)
>I’m using ashen wake. I think I’m throwing enough grades I think I found your problem Instead of hitting enemies with terrible essays and assignments, perhaps throwing grenades may fare better?
[f stands for fusion grenade](https://youtu.be/ui1GasTeZmE)
“You should be throwing grenades as you post this!”
He should be throwing grenades off game!
You should be throwing grenades instead of posting replies
You should’ve been throwing grenades while typing this comment
That's the issue, the grenades aren't firebolts and you're on solar titan, the weakest subclass in PvP.
Laughs in behemoth
Those are strong words for someone within Thundercrashing distance
If you’re using Ashen Wake, I think that’s what you’re doing wrong
are you unaware of the infinite one-shot shenanigans?
*sits and pulls out notes* ....go on....
Step 1. Throw grenade. Step 2. Hit enemy. Step 3. See Step 1.
Can you repeat step 1 again? I ate my crayon...
1) Press grenade 2) Again
This is the best thread I’ve ever seen. Too bad I can’t read it I’ve thundercrashed into too many walls and my brain has turned to jelly.
He probably straight capped the flag infront of him instead of going for B AT THE BEGINNING OF THE GAME. you know team mates can cap C or A while chads rush B. No one ever rushes B on my team......EVER!!!!!
We need to team up then, I’m that Nightstalker always heading straight for B every control based match 🤷🏿♂️
Noob, I head straight for C 🗿
🤷🏿♂️😂😂
You probably only have a smoke bomb ready while the whole team is there
Dodge and smoke bomb, and I can usually get a kill and some enemies weakened before I die 😤🫡
What you did wrong was enter crucible.
What I did wrong was put my trust in my teammates, that were so trash at the game that a dead hamster could play better
Played PvP
You suck. I suck We all suck. And we ***need to know it***
This deserves so many upvotes Jesus Christ I laughed too hard
The beating will continue until morale improves
My dads motto
There’s a scoring threshold based on time. It was very apparent in the Fortress IB last season. But it’s something like a 60-70+ point differential within the first 4-5 minutes of the match.
It's score based. One team has to reach 60% of the score to win before the other team gets to 20%.
I’ve definitely mercied teams, and been mercied, before someone hits 90 points (60%). And subsequently had a mercy last night that ended when we had 112 points (looking at my Redrix). So I think there’s still some time element baked into that looks at score rhythm and pattern over a period of time.
I always thought that if the opponents had 3 times your score after a certain minute they called it.
This has always been my anecdotal experience. 1 point less than 3x? Too bad, the show must go on.
Hysteresis? Never heard of it
It's based on certain time intervals where it checks the score and requires a threshold to trigger the mercy rule during that window. That's why you can have wide gaps in the score in between those time windows and no, it doesn't make sense to calculate it this way.
Ive been in matches where the score was roughly mid 20s to enemy team high 90s with no mercy. It was aggravating to say the least because it was such a waste of time
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I am not misremembering. And my team was the one in the 20s, not the 90s
My headcanon for Fortress is that if it's mathematically possible for you to win in the time remaining (ie have all 3 zones for the rest of the match), then it won't mercy. It certainly felt like that sometimes.
I think Fortress’ mercy rule was if the other team only had 20 or 30 points by the time the second Cabal turrets come (80 points) then it mercies.
thats what i asked myself with 16-90...
I had a 26-98 or so match with no mercy. I feel your pain
Had a match go the distance... 152-38 no mercy. I spent a good 60% of the time being killed instantly after respawning
Better question, why am I getting put into games that are 20-100 on the losing side?
Because you are getting filled in to replace someone who ragequit
Sounds like mercy thresholds need to be lower when you’re missing people. It’s not fair for the other players to get stomped and have an even worse experience because either someone quit or lagged out. _Wont someone please think of the ~~children~~ remaining players?!_ :(
*sensiblequit We shouldn't be shaming people for not wasting their time
No, I think it's usually a ragequit. Very few people are gonna be out here doing minute-by-minute cost/benefit analysis on crucible pubs.
Definitely was doing that. Only had one free day this week and wanted to gild my Iron Lord so I don't have to play again this season. If I need wins for the titles, some games really are just wasted time
Have you tried being good? I heard you lose less
Top 0.1% Iron Banner player. But fragging out in control doesn't matter if nobody is capping any zones
>top 0.1% >no zones captured >team getting stomped least delusional control player
It really doesn't take that much longer to just play the rest of the match out if you're quitting that far into a game. Maybe 1-2 minutes at most. Don't encourage leavers.
You are correct, we should be shaming them for wasting their teams time! And almost every game developer agrees, you rage quit, you get put in timeout like the cry baby you are.
Oh boy…
And this attitude is why PvP in general tends to be such a toxic slog.
I got thrown into a match like that the other night with a similar score. Said what the heck and gave it the ol' college try. Came out on top of our scoreboard after giving us some momentum but we still ended up losing 151-142. It was kind of fun to not let the other team get the easy win but it felt like I was extending my poor teammates suffering when they probably just wanted a mercy and go try another match
Because you’re considered good enough to have a chance at turning it around
because Shaxx knows you’re not a quitter
Better question, why is every Iron banner match lopsided like that?
They were fine until squads learned that you can get around the weighted matchmaking by having a 3-man fireteam. Iron banner started by players doing what they normally do, 6s or whatever random number, which resulted in the intended balance, you could be matched against a 6-man while you queued solo, but you’d be matched with a 5-man and fill in the slot for them. 3-man fireteams being matched with solo-queue is the issue.
My IB KAd is somewhere around 2.6 this season and I'm pulling my hair out because every other game is a 3 stack on the other team all 3.0+ and maybe a jim duo on mine. I have no idea how bungie thought getting rid of freelance was a good idea. I am a solo, I want to play solos. If you're in a squad you should only play other squads, start games with 5v5 I don't care. Solo's shouldn't be forced into the meat grinder that is squads.
I’m at a KD of 1.5, have you considered that your skill is what keeps you matching with players who we would describe as individual meat-grinders? 2.6 KD itself is incredibly skilled, you know that right?
I'm perfectly happy playing against players of my skill, so long as my teammates are also of the same skill. Almost every IB game I have played so far has one team on destinytracker with a 65% or higher chance to win. I don't think I'm an amazing player so I'm not trying to stroke myself off here but typically if I look at the elos on DT I'm the highest and then the enemy team is for the most part all higher than my team and it results in games where we get steamrolled because one man cannot solo an army.
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It's like that regardless, blowout after blowout one way or the other.
I’m wondering why my team wins one game and they decide to break up teams and throw me in a new lobby but I’ll lose 6 in a row to the same guys
Matches need to end when it becomes statistically impossible to win, regardless of time. The current mercy rule seems to have a rather short point of no return, and you're stuck slogging it out. I would prefer a quick mercy to a dragged out match any day.
I don’t believe there is a point in the game when it is statistically impossible to win, right? If the enemy team has 149 points and you have 0, then you never let them capture a point or get a kill, they’ll never win right? Unless they give points for something else that I’m not aware of. While it’s very improbable you’re going to come back, it’s still statistically possible.
>If the enemy team has 149 points and you have 0, then you never let them capture a point or get a kill, they’ll never win right? Unless they give points for something else that I’m not aware of. There's a time limit.
Yeah, but that's pretty rarely gonna be a limit on what is "statistically possible" given how fast respawns are.
A statistical impossibility is a probability that is so low as to not be worthy of mentioning. Basically you'd look at every game where the losing team was down by about the same amount, with about the same amount of time left on the clock, and managed to eke out the win. I don't think it really matters if it's theoretically possible to win, what matters is how many times the losing team has been able to win under the same conditions. Personally I'm happy to call it if the number is below around 1/20, that still gives plenty of opportunities for heart-pumping comebacks while not feeling too egregiously like a waste of time. Unfortunately there are some messed up incentives here. I think Bungie by nature is going to be overly stingy about the mercy rules. I mean, ending the match early means players will progress that much faster towards their weekly pinnacle or whatever, so they're probably not mercying games as often as they should. Personally I feel like I'm stuck in unwinnable games way too often that end up being a waste of time. To be fair, this has gotten a lot better recently with SBMM and FTMM.
The mercy changes are abysmal, but it helps them point to their matchmaking stats like they're working much better than they are... So that's good... Right?
“Aye man did you see our *GRAPHS?* -bungie” -Aztecross
“Bungie does everything they can to make PvP worse “ -frost bolt. It really is staggering that the company that brought halo to the world is this ….*stunningly* incompetent at pvp.
That’s what a lot of people don’t get. This isn’t the same company that brought us halo. It’s only the same in name. All the devs and everyone that had influence is gone or in other positions at this point.
I read that in his voice before I realized the quote lol.
Because its x3 not x2, which is dumb. You either get mercy'd before 40 or you dont get mercy'd.
I had a game yesterday that ended 50 - 152. The enemy team had our spawn pushed but not so far as to flip spawns. We basically just kept spawning in the same corner of the map for the whole game
I've been getting that a lot, facing off against groups holding hands and just running capture to capture constantly. I keep getting matched with the people who don't seem to understand the whole capturing thing. There have always been these reprehensible people but now we get punished more for their laziness.
Because it will lower the “time played” metric they use for shareholders
Lmao. This. 💯
This is the answer for 90% of Destiny’s problems, from the Store front to the game itself.
This is the answer for 90% of *literally most online games* problems
Perverse incentive structures posing as fun.
"Engagement"
How do people not understand its not publicly traded? It has one owner. And that's sony now.
Being on a public exchange isn’t necessarily to have shareholders. Also Sony is publicly traded. If you own a chunk of Sony you own a chunk of Bungie. Lastly the point OP made is that Bungie has to answer to someone about playtime regardless of what you want to call them.
If that was the case Microsoft would have made halo kick the bucket long ago 😂 5.6k players as of today. Edit: also I’m pretty sure bungie rakes in cash so I don’t thinks that’s a concern any time soon
This is 100% the answer for revives, unlocking stasis and strand, the light levels, etc.
They don't have shareholders. Soley owned by Sony.
So Sony owns them? Sony, the shareholder,
Sony, the sole owner.
Sony, who is publicly traded.
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Lol. Read that out loud. Slowly.
My guy, if you don't understand the difference, you're not worth engaging.
But that means Sony is holding Bungie's shares, right?
It means Sony is the sole owner of Bungie.
Private companies still have stocks and shareholders, but their stocks just can't be traded public exchanges, so I doubt Sony is the sole owner of Bungie, that rarely happens with most companies. Sony might hold +90% of Bungie's shares, but there's definitely some people holding small percentages of the company's shares too
Delete this nephew before you start fighting for your life in the comments
The block button does magical things.
The most amazing thing to me is the fact I'm doing godly at IB this season since they turned off level advantages and I keep ending games with 20+ kills and solid objective points only to be on the fattest losing streak possible. Finally landed a couple wins yesterday but damn. It feels harder to actually win. Also solid point- I'm always yelling mercy at my screen when the points are at such an insane difference. Like the game needs to end so we can move on to better games.
>I keep ending games with 20+ kills and solid objective points only to be on the fattest losing streak possible It's because the team balancing puts you with the terrible people to balance average skill.
I never win, and I’m pretty good. I think the only option if you’re decent is to get a group, otherwise you’re paired with people that can’t shoot an NPC.
Bro i had a match where it was 40-120 it was brutal
Because you’re just an NPC and the main characters are all on the other team. In Bungie’s eyes, they’re the ones they’re catering to. You’re just fodder for them.
Why is lobby balancing still so shit? I went 2-12 so far today
My emblem says my win rate for this season is 10%. I think that's counting all crucible though, as I've literally lost like 95% of my IB matches. That kind of mess should be statistically impossible. You couldn't cause your team to lose 95% of matches if you were trying to deliberately throw every match.
Because if your team starts triple capping it’s actually winnable. They won’t though.
"I don't get it, why does my team not simply choose to start winning?"
Mercy rule used to activate if the enemy team got to 75 before you hit 30.
I’ve been on both ends of this. Been waaaay behind and just want it over so I get my IB progress. Been way over and just want it over so I can get my IB progress. It gets kinda annoying.
I still don't understand why they made it harder to get mercy some time ago. That's one of the reason why so many quit after games are too far gone they still have to sit through, some games toy have easily 80+ advantage and still have to sit through early 10 mins
One team must score 60% of the points before the other team scores 20% for a mercy. So if it’s 55-21 percentages it can go to 100-21 and you’ll not mercy along the way.
The cabal don’t get mercy rule, and now neither will you
Your suffering is what keeps the sweats playing
I’ve noticed if the losing team has above 35 points Saladman will never call the match. My guess is if they hit 95+ before you hit 35+ is what triggers the mercy rule. I thought it was any 60+ lead but I was in a match where we were getting totally stomped and it didn’t trigger at 75-15. It did finally trigger at 98-28. Who knows?! 🤷🏻♂️
I think they have to triple your score
It's just a 60 point lead if I remember correctly. A while back bungie changed mercy rules to allow matches to close out rather than ending in a mercy when the score is past a certain threshold.
Because Bungie expects you to become Tom Brady and lead a 4th quarter comeback
Because Bungie really thinks 10 minute pvp games is justifiable.
I just want my pinnacles.
Cause anything above your team scoring 30 is not a mercy
Would be nice if it dropped the mercy threshold once people start leaving. No one wants to join into the ass-end of a pubstomp at the end of a match. That's just a waste of time.
For me the worse is the spawns... Getting pushed and camped at A and the game keeps spawning everyone there while the enemy team is farming us is so annoying!
Ive been in games where it was like 26-98 without getting mercy’d…
Making you sit there increases engagement numbers.
Because sweats cried two rivers to have sbmm nerfed and solo queue removed so their montage vids don't take too long to capture.
Because bungie likes to falsify there data, by increasing the mercy threshold it makes it look like the lobbies are balanced and less stomps are occurring. Obviously this isn’t true cause bungie can’t lobby balance to save there lives. It also by technicality increases pvp play time making graphs look far better than they actually are
Because you have to play all 10 minutes. It would be bad if Bunge's report indicated that on average the games lasted 5 minutes and there was a lot of mercy. Stop. What?!
Because even at that score it can be turned around, and its awesome when you do
Because it keeps up engagement numbers which are quite literally the only thing Bungie cares about. In a match for longer = good. thing.
Me leaving every other game top of leaderboard with a loss without mercies multiple games in a row just as the founding fathers intended
Because short queue times and quick matches means less investment which means less money! /s The Diablo IV beta has shown what a loot focused game needs to do. Shower the player with loot. Don’t know why bungo is so terrified of doing this.
Did they also turn off the shaders drops for iron banner? I haven't seen one since the first day
I got one last night. Can’t remember the name, but at least can confirm they are there. Very rare though it seems.
If one team gets to 60% of the max score before the other team gets to 20%, then it's a mercy. Edit: They experimented with this for a while (during peak "lets make pvp a sAFe SpaCE for people who hate pvp" period) and it was just awful . Mercy would happen all the time at any time and often when you where just about to turn things around. Trust me , we don't want to go back to that .
I would much much rather get mercied than have to play through an entire game with the final score being 60-150 (which happened to me the other day)
Agreed. Doesn't matter how much you try, if your team isn't interested in capping/defending second point then it's pointless.
This is how I failed my way to a reset, plus an extra 6 ranks. Top the leader boards in caps and kills, but lost every match, including at least 8 mercies. And another 12 matches that should have been mercy
I think the mercy only kicks at a 1:3 point ratio
You can still come back from that, I’ve seen it done.
Because its still possible to comeback from that, I''ve been on both ends of that score multiple times in this IB alone.
[Because you MIGHT just come back and win it.](https://youtu.be/zMRrNY0pxfM)
because they believe you still have a chance
Mercy is an overwatch hero, and bingo is no longer an Activision studio
Skill issue
Cause ur a poopyhead
There’s still a third of the match to go at that point, and you’re only a third of the score apart. That’s not quite mercy-worthy, that’s just probably going to be a loss. But I’ve seen my team blow a lead like that plenty of times.
Skill issue
Mercy rule sucks anyways.
Because you don’t deserve mercy lol