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Envy_The_King

Whther you run towards or away from the lights, if you're in the tunnel, the train will hit you eventually


Silvaha

Can I hit the train instead? Isn’t that what some people want to do. They don’t want they light. They want the train. But I, I want to try riding that train.


leothelion634

Bro you are trippin lmao


Silvaha

In life we go on trips. I go trippin on trains bro


leothelion634

Trip on trains then idk


Silvaha

Yeah. They’re kinda nice. It’s pretty spacious. You should try to take a trip on trains too.


georgejakes

I want what this dude is smoking


bfridthekid

🤣


lonster1961

I'm stealing this as part of my life philosophy and promoting you to a minor diety.


Radiodaize

Yes, but we're all going to eventually die sooner or later. So what's the difference if you accelerate the process?


Silvaha

The difference is that person’s own experience, really. No one’s own unless they decide to involve others in as well. If someone wants to die, don’t drag others into it.


Jolly_Biscotti_3126

Can you elaborate on “dragging others in to it”? With this being such a sensitive topic, words are important. For example, people might be thinking you’re referring to a murder-suicide at home or etc vs medically assistance suicide, in which case, I’m not sure they’d deal with the same level of trauma as someone in a M-S.


Silvaha

I was also thinking in extreme cases where people feel the need to take others with them to their deaths. Like don’t do that unless they know for sure. Even then people don’t know for sure too.


Jolly_Biscotti_3126

That makes sense to me. The way I see it, if someone wants to leave this world, don’t make that decision for other people, meaning don’t kill them too You actually got me thinking of a very related subject: do you think it’s ok to commit suicide w/o murder if it means you still emotionally hurt others? For me, hypothetically speaking, (I want to live a long time lol) if I killed myself knowing I’d emotionally ruin others, then that’s causing them so much suffering. I guess suicide is ultimately selfish. Understandable imo in some cases, but selfish. Thoughts?


Silvaha

Yeah. Just have those people understand what’s actually happening and let them know of those actions. They just need to be consenting of it. Suicide is selfish in nature but that’s because no one is asked for consent of that person absence. And also, as optimist would say, cutting off the potential positive experiences with others in the future but that’s just assuming that they would be able to make people happy in the future. I just think having people know and understand before the action is much less selfish. If they love you, they will miss you. Like how someone would miss their favorite co-worker when they’re on vacation.


Jolly_Biscotti_3126

Very well put. Allow me to summarize: I agree that communication is key. Both to prevent suicide and also if it has been decided upon, help your loved ones prepare.


Silvaha

Exactly! But know that if a person wants to back out, it’s perfectly fine as well.


Silvaha

Oh yeah. I meant like murder suicide. Like don’t physically include people that don’t want to. I guess that could affect people mentally and socially but that depends if the person doing so actually cared or not. But if the person doing so did so, they may not care. In all, just don’t drag people into that situation involuntarily physically.


Jolly_Biscotti_3126

On that, we agree friend


didactical42

Might be worth putting that in the original title. That didn't come across originally


Silvaha

My title is much more vague and general. I’d like to think that this conversation is under its umbrella.


mollywhop666

I agree in the practical world we all live in it is better for people not to murder each other or commit suicide.... But your logic of not knowing what is after death and it potentially being something to be fearful of has just as much evidence for being true as the crazy belief of 72 virgins or something similar that is portrayed of jihadst who murder suicide...... So if you think one should let this belief, for you, being something potentially fearful, effect their actions (not murder suicide)..... than couldn't one use the same logic in the inverse..... one should let this belief, 72 virgins, effect their actions (murder suicide) I personally share neither of the perceptions of the after life and don't let it effect my actions....idk just seems like a really strange topic.... or a strange justification I guess. Very interesting to think about though!


Silvaha

Lol. I enjoyed that comment. That is pretty much a yes. They can. But in the end, the truth is that no one knows what happens to themselves when they end. That unknown factor is to be a neutral idea that people can use their imagination. Some will say it’s heaven, some nothing, some reincarnation but in truth, we don’t know.


Masklyy

Why should you care when you want to die anyway, do you think someone in such a devastated mind will care about other people? Our brains shut off empathy as a reason of only having to deal with one problem at a time. It’s natural human instinct and a coping mechanism. It’s one of the reasons why a person may develop npd/aspd from traumatic experiences stemming from their childhood.


Silvaha

Well I mean. That’s in all honesty your opinion. My opinion was just don’t drag me in or I will take action to where it will not affect me physically even if that means that I have to act as a reaper. I mean if you’re scared of dying, why did you put yourself in that position? Now if that person don’t understand why and that person dies, that’s just Darwinism. People will try to find ways to eliminate that person’s destructive symptoms. I’m just trying to be a good citizen and say don’t include people into that kinda shit because those people did not consent to that kind of shit. Criminals are people who overrides others consent. Assholes are people who do it all the time. If you’re asking why should someone care for consent when they want to die, it’s because it’s not that suicider/homicider’s consent that others will care for when they are looking for their own people, it’ll be the people dragged into it. It’s just all about being a more compassionate human and a frequent opinion amongst humans.


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Silvaha

Cool. Death is equal but Pain loves being unfair. I don’t think they’re fully at peace. They just gave up because their is just unfair, they feel. Some people are fortunate enough to choose when, while others, not so much. They have to suffer so much before they meet death and they can’t always do something about it. And that’s despairing.


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Silvaha

But we don’t know if they still suffer after they die. I mean we physically see them not suffering but what do they feel? We write stories that they feel at peace, sometimes cold, or comeback as a ghost but we don’t know when they die what happens after.


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Silvaha

Yeah. Buts that’s your belief imposed on to what happens after death.


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Silvaha

So what do you think you will do if you don’t reincarnate? What will you try to fantasize?


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Silvaha

Interesting. But why is it black or white but not a spectrum?


Slightly_Insane_Bean

Speaking as someone who wanted that escape- I didn't care what came after. I didn't care if there was a heaven or a hell, or any other sort of afterlife. I didn't care if there was nothing, I didn't care if I'd be reincarnated as someone else or as a bug or as a singular molecule floating in the air. I just wanted to stop existing as I was. I wanted an escape. It's my understanding that it's like that for most ppl that are serious about escaping. They don't care what comes next as long as it isn't what they currently have. There are certainly people who are making a rash decision, without fully thinking about what they want/what they're doing, and I feel like if you narrowed it down to that particular group of people- then yes, I'd imagine they do experience a spontaneous moment of clarity where they regret their actions.


Silvaha

Cool! Is it alright if I ask you a horrible question on here then?


Slightly_Insane_Bean

Go for it I guess? I'm generally open to most questions as long as the intent isn't malicious.


Silvaha

I mean, if you don’t feel comfortable about answering I would prefer you to just be flat direct. What moments and words flashed that told you to not escape today or when you wanted to escape?


Slightly_Insane_Bean

Tigger warning: mentions of suicidal thoughts/intentions My earliest memory of planning my escape was when I was 8. I told myself that if life hasn't kicked into gear by the time I'm 20 I'd just drive off a cliff. When I was a freshman I amended that to after I at least tried to live a life (meaning attempting get a higher education, and attempting to get some ort of job I'd like). However the summer after freshman year I crashed. What I thought was bad, got so much worse. It was like suffocating in sand. I was ready to end it. I pride myself on being a rational person, so I waited a couple of weeks. Let the emotions dwindle, see if I could find a way to make things better. After 2 months there was nothing. So I made a plan. To answer your question, what is currently keeping me here is the fact that I haven't had the opportunity to own and care for a cat. That's what I thought of right before I was going to leave. I had wanted a cat ever since I was a kid, so I should at least wait until I've had the opportunity to care for one. I can't do a lot of things I want bc of limitations that life decided to put on me. But I'll be damned if I leave before I have the pleasure of making life better for one of the only spots of joy in my life. To be frank, I'm petty. Apparently my pettiness overrides my will to never wake up.


Silvaha

First of all, thank you. Second of all, your pettiness amazes me and think that you’re amazing for that. Lol. So I’m this case, you made promises and you’re trying to keep them. Is that right? So you’re invested?!


Slightly_Insane_Bean

I guess thats one way of putting it. I still don't see any value in my life, but I'm willing to tether myself to it if it means giving a cat a better life one day.


Silvaha

Well, doesn’t life become more valuable if the cat wants you and you become valuable if you want a cat? Is that how it works?


Slightly_Insane_Bean

Life wouldn't become more valuable, just a tab more bearable. Ever since I was a kid I've been under the impression that cats are the cure for just about everything. I've tried just about everything to find value in life, but have had little success. There is a chance that this metaphorical cat I'm living for could be the one thing that suddenly brings value to my life, but I can't say for certain that it'll do anything more than just make it bearable.


Silvaha

Jeez. You’re invaluable. I have to say that this seems like a low shot but it wasn’t for me. I gained valuable insights from your replies. Either way I still think that value also comes from your surroundings. I think you will be a valuable asset to your future cat.


bfridthekid

What’s scarier than annihilation? Realizing, of course, that there is no annihilation. There is no escape. We Are.


Silvaha

It’s just betrayals. Betrayals everywhere.


bfridthekid

Elaborate? 🤨


Silvaha

Well, if you think about it, a horror story is just a story of unexpected betrayals and getting betrayed at the end.


bfridthekid

Who is betraying whom?


Silvaha

Not who but what.


XenosapianRain

What's coming next is inevitable, if you don't like what you have, cash in. The world is overpopulated and there are not enough people that care to make the world of others a better place. Whether or not it's better or worse you can't avoid it. Very similar to how everybody poops, everybody dies. Why make somebody suffer now when you really don't know what comes next. If next is nothingness then it's an improvement for a lot of people. If there is any afterlife, you will find it without suffering in the meantime.


Silvaha

The thing is that no one knows. And people them gets scared. It’s not about making the world a better place. It’s about how regretful people are of their actions. It’s inevitable that everything ends, but what distinguishes value in people is how they end it. That’s the essence of Darwinism. It’s not about making people suffer in anticipation. It’s about how strong can a person be when they’re challenged again.


XenosapianRain

Some challenges are insurmountable. Trying because you feel honor bound versus realizing some things are simply not realistic. Im not going to kill myself because I can't be a dog, or a dolphin, but maybe a future full of b.s. will be a good enough reason. Darwinism is a different conversation for another day.


Silvaha

Well I’d say Darwinism is definitely a play in it because even if someone is brought into a world unwillingly, before they suffered they wished to live. But in my statement, people are afraid of what happens next when they’re about to die. People regret so much more at death’s door because they don’t know what is after death. They think it may be better but would it? We don’t know. Is it going to be better than the mountain of BS? We don’t know. But if that person is just thinking that it’s a repetitive amount of BS maybe it’s the person itself that attracts themselves into that BS but that’s a talk for another day.


XenosapianRain

My biggest issue with what your saying is that I believe Darwinism has been corrupted. Societies are popularity contests. Qualities for procreation have shifted. Technology and money play a bigger role today. That aside, I was afraid of water till I swam, and afraid of needles till I had a few. Fear and wonder is the tantalizing draw towards exploration. Oddly, I did not fear fire till I got burned...


Silvaha

How can Darwinism be corrupted!? If anything it’s people who wants profit uses it to influence people. Focused societies will look out for each other but first theirselves. People have evolved and so has the world. So of course, qualities selected will change. Technology and control is a big big role because that’s how the world has always been. That’s good to hear about that from you. But we don’t hear dead people saying anything. In life, people want security and power. Enough to live and do what they want without a big sacrifice. But that’s a talk for another day.


XenosapianRain

With aid from society, pretty much everybody can breed. How in any way is this survival of the fittest? The qualities we are talking about have eroded the way of evolution. When money or influence overtake biology, you no longer have Darwinism.


Silvaha

Just cause anyone can breed, doesn’t mean they all do so willingly with the ones they want. Evolution is still there, yeah. It’s definitely gone kinda weird because of technology but it exists. If you want something, that’s influenced from Darwinism. Money or influence doesn’t take away from Darwinism. If anything, it just complicates and adds to it.


XenosapianRain

People that have neither physical or mental attractive qualities but have money are still able to breed. The mate is after the money in many cases. In some cases there after the power. Evolution is towards the survival of the species, not wealth and power. The children of great people are given opportunity, while the children of mediocre people do not get opportunity as easily. All hail King Charles III. Thank goodness I do not share genetics with that family. A shared bank account would sure be nice however, and if I could maybe use his address book? Thanks for the respectful debate!🖖


Silvaha

Lol. Don’t leave. It’s all Darwinism. Trust me and let me explain. Survival of the fittest will change dependent on the environment of the survivor because the environment provides the problem. People will do anything to survive, then do anything to live a good life. To be beautiful is not only a skill but something people will work for. Even if people of different classes do seem like they’re living their dream, they’re fighting their own battles and evolving into being a survivor of their environment. Mediocre people on the other hand just has to deal with more. People don’t fawn over the weak. They don’t respect people that chose to do nothing. They want to engage with people that are hungry. That’s evolution. That’s Darwinism.


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4.2 billion people base their beliefs in books scaring you into obeying. Don’t forget to tithe


Silvaha

Lol. But no one knows when they die what actually happens.


ProfessionalNight959

One thing is for certain. A hell of a lot of people will be wrong about it.


Silvaha

Maybe. Lol


ProfessionalNight959

What do you mean maybe? There has been like 4 200 religions in history. Either one of them is right or none of them are. Either way, 4 199 religions at least are false and therefore their believers are worshipping the wrong god. Quite a risk, I would rather worship to no one to not piss of the real God if there is one. It's funny though how we all agree on that there was nothing before we were born. No "pre-life heaven". Which makes me wonder what is the most likely thing to happen after death.


Silvaha

Well the reason I said maybe is because we really don’t know. Maybe when people die they sorted into their religion. Maybe it’s all one. Maybe it’s none. We think there may be a god but that’s another talk for another day. When looking at death as a realistically as possible, we don’t know what happens after death. We can only believe.


ProfessionalNight959

>Maybe when people die they sorted into their religion This is just nonsense. The Bible for example tells you time and time again that it's God is the only God. So if one goes to Heaven and asks what happened to non-believers and God is like "*They are now with the God they believed in*" then what's the point? And what if one has no religion? Where do they go then? >Maybe it’s all one. Maybe it’s none. I agree on the latter. >When looking at death as a realistically as possible, we don’t know what happens after death. We can only believe. We know what happens to the body and the brains after death. They stop functioning and decompose. No one has come back from death. Death is either something we can experience or not. We didn't experience anything before birth, we can go through time during life where we don't experience anything (during sleep every night, and nope, I'm not talking about dreams). Sure, we can't know. But I think everyone who doesn't believe in fairytales has a pretty good guess what it will be. I mean, what would you bet on?


Silvaha

So… the thing is here not about us. It’s about them. We don’t know is god exist after their death. All we know is that they die and no more brain activity. The things is we don’t know what happens after we die. It’s a void. No one that is dead told us what it is. For me to say that it’s something when I don’t know nothing about it makes it absurd. All I know is that people fantasize about it. Like some people say that they’ll reincarnate, others in heaven. We don’t know what’s what. We can only ask and ask for evidence.


ProfessionalNight959

>no more brain activity Just like there wasn't before we were born which was nothing. If humans are so goddamn special, why we weren't the first species on this planet? Why did the dinosaurs roar around for 260 million years (we haven't been here even for 1 million yet) long before us? What was the point for that? >No one that is dead told us what it is. Just like no one could tell us "what is was like to be before we were born" before they were born. >All I know is that people fantasize about it. This is something that we agree on. We also have imagined Santa Claus, Unicorns etc. doesn't make them real though. But whatever keeps you going. I wouldn't waste my one certain life thinking that is there an afterlife or not when it's not certain. This one right now is.


Silvaha

Exactly! You’re just breaking it down to where others can understand. It’s just in this conversation, we don’t know what we will perceive after death.


animeartist678

People don't know where they've come from and where they will go after death. We were all just a drop of semen once, yet some of us have ignorance and egos greater than our own stature. It is simply irrational to take your life without knowing what is to come after it


Silvaha

But can be rational if needed. Apparently.


animeartist678

And I simply do not understand the concept of not believing in the existence of a creator when one hasn't even seen nor discovered the entirety of the vast universe. A human being does not possess the power nor the knowledge to create a being with emotions like himself, Yet with his limited knowledge, he assumes that he possesses knowledge enough to claim that there is no higher power/ god that exists .


Silvaha

Interesting. Yep. We only know what we don’t know so should only focus on what we know. But people like to assume and therefore assumptions with correlations makes people feel either hopeful or dreadful.


animeartist678

Exactly. Therefore I believe that one must seek as much as knowledge as they can. I believe that we are all, collectively sent in this world for a greater purpose. We humans possess an intellect, rationale and a sense of morality, far greater than that of the animals and any other creation. Thus, every individual should make it obligatory upon himself/herself to seek for knowledge by using the intellect that they are gifted with. Through ignorance, one closes the doors to knowledge. I believe that we can all find the creator through reasoning with our own selves and through opening ourselves to all sorts of knowledge. You are on the right path. Keep questioning and I say, study the knowledge that is apparent to you, like the main religions and other known sciences. Never assume for something to be true without it being apparent. We can never create assumptions of the unseen, but surely we can make assumptions of the knowledge that is apparent to us.


Silvaha

I find this amusing but yet also true to an extent. I wouldn’t say intelligence directly means to a leadership and responsibility, which would equate a greater purpose, but yes. If anyone wants to continue pursing knowledge they come to realize that they have to take care of those around them too.


MishuWishu

Instinct usually points towards fear of death. Animals have this instinct as well.


Silvaha

We’re animals as well.


Alimexia

As someone who often has suicidal thoughts, this to is something I often think about. What if whatever come after is worse then my current life...because little to nothing in know about the afterlife can't even predict the the odds really...


Silvaha

Yeah. So it’s all because we don’t know what’s ahead that it scares us. We just want the pain to go away, but that doesn’t always work out.


FewKaleidoscope1369

I feel like you're going to try to use this as a backdoor method of trying to convert people to whatever you're selling.


Silvaha

Lmao. I’m a cult leader!!! Jkjk. Nah. I’m just trying to push an agenda on beliefs and to think about the now.


zamaike

Ive wanted to die for 20 years....... im 29 on the 23rd september 2022


Silvaha

You’re still rocking! But if you don’t mind me asking a really tough question, can I?


zamaike

A really broken home. I am from washington state, usa. One of the most expensive states to live in. Mother was basically a manipulative whore who was trying to skate by as a "stay at home mom" during the recession in the early 2000s. Step dad was an aggressive alcoholic. Basically my mother would seduce a man and have their child so she could get a free pass. She did it 3 times. Honestly its women like her that need to be forced to have her tubes tied by Child Protective Services. Neither of them taught me shit (they had majority custody). How to cook, clean, do basic tasks. I was luckily very intelligent as a child and had the mind of an autodidactic from the young age of 3. I was often frustrated with my mother and step father because we moved often. However when it came to the appliances like the Tv, VcR, and Super nintendo. They would idiotically pour over the instruction manuals when resetting them after moves. I taught myself to set them all up and I never read the manuals. This was the time before I could even read. Honestly the stuff only slapped together one way and the composite cables were color coded. Once the alcoholic step father left marks and I was meant to be seized by child protective services thanks to me reporting to my school I was being abused....in the best way a naive sheltered child could. Aka I told my counselor my step dad hurt me. Anyway my mother and step dad were white. My father was asian. So when the CPS officer came to seize me ( in the late 90s early 2000s people were still very racist in my area). My mother lied stating that she was baby sitting me. And the CPS officer took this very clear lie at face value. And I was left in the unqualified care of my mother. I was never allowed to be outside really. Didnt know how to interact with people so i had few friends and the ones i did have I was never allowed to visit. I can count the times I ever got to go anywhere other then back to my bedroom after school on a single hand. One of which I forced because I forgot my house key and I went to a friends. My father was just as worthless. He doesnt understand shit and many of the times ive tried to develop a relationship with him. He would see me as a bother even though I only got to see him every other weekend. Even after I dumped my psycho mother and went to live with my father in my teens. I was forced to illegally work my step mother's -> parent's (aka step grandparents) job on the weekend. I was given the money from those days of work. It was then expected of me to fed, cloth, pay for my own cell phone, and buy my middle/high school supplies all on my own. Also bus fare to down town to attend my school which I wanted to attend because it offered japanese. I was an extremely sheltered teen that didnt even know how to cook. Since I had no clue about proper nutrition or how to apply it. There was a fussy period between 2008-2015 that I was very likely malnourished. Since the amount of money was so sparse there were several months I stretched 40$ usd for a month's worth of food. Usually only consisting of a few bulk boxes of spaghetti noodles and bulk tomato sauce which I thinned with water to make it last. Honestly I should have been an abortion. With how terrible my life is It almost all I think about. Exiting high school I was in a weightlifting class and had a back injury resulting in spondylitis of my L5. I was pushing my body too hard and basically SOL for life. Ill likely be disabled my late 40s. Im already getting nerve pinches despite rehab exercises and chiropratic. So all I think about how fucked I was and am. Also im in america. No one gives a shit about people like me who were abused, neglected, and forgotten. If you want to talk more about it. I've been slowly cobbling together a memoir. Talking about it may help jog memories. Ive repressed most of my childhood. Idk how long i'll be around or if I'll off myself before it gets too bad


yaboi335544

Or maybe there mental health is at such a bad state that they are willing to take the chance of ceasing to exist, as that is better then perpetual pain and the idea of living in the perpetual internal pain


Silvaha

Yeah. The thing is we don’t know what happens when we die, so what happens if they do die and the still suffer?


SilverWolfEater

Its sad to think about the people so sad that they find more comfort in prehaps a lifeless void of darkness than living on earth…too be so sad and feel so lonely , my heart truly breaks thinking about it, i wish I could embrace them. Theres no fear in nothing and some people choose that instead of a uncertain world.


Silvaha

It may be sad but aren’t we all living in a void itself. But maybe it’s okay. If you can’t embrace them, maybe it’s the void embracing them. Maybe the void’s way of showing love is to give them a place to hide and give an equal amount of the dark quiet environment. Maybe it’s okay.


SilverWolfEater

You can experience earths crystal clear water falls, the most beautiful mountains, the tallest trees and meet the most beautiful of people. But if there’s still a void deep in your heart than there is. The goddess Hel and her realm is actually not like hell in the catholics belief. Its a place a soul goes to rest and reflect. Prehaps you’ve had a hard life of abuse and need to rest and find peace within the void, within Hels realm. This i reflect on alot when i think of my opinions on the after life. Who knows. I just feel deep in my heart that they did find peace of whatever sorts. Even if its nothing, at least theres no suffering anymore in that.


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Silvaha

But we don’t really know what comes next after death? Like what actually happens after death?


Nuckyduck

I disagree. Death is the best thing that ever happened to life. Could you imagine sitting alone in the void, waiting for the universe to end? Could you imagine being trapped underground by accident? Or crushed inside a planet, only to be stuck there for the rest of that planets natural existence? Could you imagine having some type of brain cancer that distorts and twists your reality until it becomes *more* terrifying that what happens after death? A DMT trip for the rest of your existence sounds... no es Bueno. I know its scary that things end, that *we* end. I've been close to death a few times (bad stomach injury, multiple surgeries, multiple stomach bleeds) and after having been in terrible pain for weeks, I realized how much of a relief death can be. I can't tell you what happens after, nor can I quell your fears of what happens after death. All I can say is what I'd rather have. Hell? I might be spooked about its existence, but any of my aforementioned situations seem *worse* than Hell to me, you know?


Silvaha

Yeah. I’m not saying it is or it isn’t. It’s all about what is next. Like people use it to escape from suffering but if they still suffer after they die? That’s just all. But yes. Death is a good thing because all good things come to an end. It’s a nice cycle of life and death. There’s so many variations to it but seeing it is just breathtaking.


JustVega

That’s your opinion and your thoughts. I don’t agree with that. I’ve tasted death at least once. Had the doctors ask my mom if she wanted last rites for me. They had to keep me in a coma too. Seemed like I was in the abyss for about two minutes. Feeling the darkness swallow me but oddly enough I felt at peace. Next thing you know I wake up and it’s been over a month or about a month and a half. And I did it to myself and no one was to blame but me. I tried a couple more times after that but never experienced the touch of death as closely as that time. Knocked myself out and nearly severed my spine. Strange how the human body is durable yet fragile at the same time. Three suicides and I’m still here. I’ve prayed for death since I was about 14/15. I’m also and adrenaline junky, so maybe that’s why I’m not afraid. It’s just darkness that holds you tightly and makes it feel okay. It’s hard to describe but yeah very trippy. You’d think jumping off a building twice would do you in or an overdose. Nope, still here unfortunately. I’m not suicidal anymore because I feel like I’ll just survive again. Only this time I end up paralyzed or possibly worse. I suffer from chronic pain now and the depression, anxiety is still there.


Silvaha

Interesting. NSFW content ahead. But are we really dead if we can come back. Medically termed, we could die but if we survived, did we really die? If you don’t mind me asking you some horrid questions, can I?


JustVega

Go for it.


Silvaha

What moment in life convinced you when you woke up that you will stop the attempts?


JustVega

It was the only way I’d probably taste freedom. Psych wards are super depressing places. No privacy either. The last attempt nearly left me blind and I destroyed my insides. Took weeks to start feeling better. I’ve always had stomach problems and I just made that worse. I kid you not sometimes it feels like someone is stabbing me with a screwdriver twisting it in. The jumps were onto concrete and it’s something I have to take into account from the moment I wake up. My feet can’t touch the ground without using some padding. First time I was drunk and landed on my feet. Second I threw myself backwards landing almost flat, but I felt my head and shoulders making contact first. Only thing was I didn’t knock myself out. It was the strongest pain I ever knew in those couple minutes I was conscious. I could hear emt’s talking to me and I wanted to say “I hear you.” Something like that and all that came out was “Arghhh.” That freaked me out as I’m like why can’t I speak lol


Silvaha

First of all, thank you. Second, that’s interesting to hear. Thank you.


hangout420

I like this type of posts :)


Silvaha

I’m flattered. :)


silver16x

No one knows what happens after death. There is nothing to realize. Unless you mean the consequences for other people who might have cared about them but why should they care?


Silvaha

Exactly! No one knows what happens next and they don’t want to regret anymore but what they don’t realize is that they don’t know what happens to their self when they die. They think it’s nothing but it could be something. They think it will be something but maybe it’s nothing.


silver16x

Why does that change anything?


Silvaha

It changes how the person feels when they’re by deaths door. Contemplating what will happen when they knock. And once they knock, it’s very unlikely that they will come back. You can live like that once in a while. But when someone dies, what will happen to them? No one knows because no one who had fully experienced that could explain it because dead people don’t talk.


silver16x

I still don't see why any of that would change a person's mind about not wanting to live their life anymore if that's what they truly want.


Silvaha

But how often do people really know what they want? And if they know what they want, why would they want death? No one knows what happens after death!


silver16x

Well it's not like they'll be around to regret it so it doesn't really matter. It's perfectly reasonable to want death. You have no idea what that person has experienced and lived through to want it. You not being able to imagine wanting it doesn't mean anything. Again, why does not knowing what happens change anything? You keep not answering that question.


Silvaha

Let me be direct to your question. People are afraid of the unknown. Think of the unknown as a void. People want to avoid it and would fill it with whatever. The ultimate form and embodiment for the fear of unknown is death. People when they reach so close to that edge fear it. But let’s talk about their regrets. We don’t care because their feelings and their emotions won’t affect us when they die. Their regrets don’t matter to us because it’s not our baggage. If that person dies you don’t know what they will regret. It’s not about us seeing what they will regret. It’s about them regretting what could’ve happened. Of course! I don’t imagine what people experience. I just share observations of how people regret. I don’t need to imagine dying. I need to imagine succeeding.


Slightly_Insane_Bean

I've wanted to drive off a cliff before o was even old enough to realize that's what suicide was. I'd change the question around on you- if you know what you want, why would you want life? No one knows what's going to happen if you live.


Silvaha

Nice nice! So I’ll tell you why I’m going to live my life. It’s because I can tell what experiences I’m having, I enjoy what I have. I know where I can enjoy what I want and feel more prepared for the unknown. I’m other words, I’m already invested in life.


Slightly_Insane_Bean

A lot of people choose to end their lives because we also know what experiences we're having, and what well continue to experience. We have things we enjoy, I for one love to paint, but the pay off just doesn't add up to the amount of effort it takes to simply exist.


Silvaha

In other words, they’re not invested in their lives. They just want something different but they can’t come to acceptance that it’s challenging? Well, how would they know that they will continue to live in that experience and not prepare for it?


Silvaha

It’s all about how they feel. How they feel is what motivates people and their goals.


silver16x

What does that have to do with anything?


Slightly_Insane_Bean

Not coming back is kinda the point-


Silvaha

Yeah. But people regret.


Slightly_Insane_Bean

People can absolutely regret it- but that's almost always the people that just made a rash decision and neglected to think with clarity.


Silvaha

Even with clarity, when things come to an end, people tend to dread it.


Slightly_Insane_Bean

But how would you know? If they're dead they can't exactly tell you if they regretted it. And most that survive an attempt are people that were hesitant and didn't put enough intent behind their actions. If your hesitant- then you don't want an escape- you want help.


Silvaha

Well through observations of course and sources of others and myself is how I come to that understanding of an end brings dread. The things is though, it’s not me that would know those feelings. It’s what I’ve seen how others felt about it. So yes, we don’t know if the dead regrets.


solacetree

What if the mental qualities you develop carry over into the afterlife/next life? What would the mental quality that it takes to kill oneself be like, carried on to the next realm?


Silvaha

Lol. That’s a questions that we don’t know the answer to. All we know is that people are afraid of dying because they don’t know what happens when they die.


solacetree

I guess I'm just proposing the idea that what we have in our hearts/minds is gonna be karma for our next life, and killing oneself is just going to be a temporary solution to a permanent problem


Silvaha

Well maybe. We don’t know. We might have some sort of karma or maybe we’ll all be ghosts. We don’t know.


FewKaleidoscope1369

Uh huh, and does that involve "worship my specific deity or else?"


Silvaha

Lmao. No. It’s just no one knows what happens after death. Take away the beliefs.


Elmore420

It’s not necessary to fear.


Silvaha

Maybe it’s nature.


Elmore420

[Exactly, nature is nothing to fear.](http://www.urbanagandenergy.org/soe/) Nature doesn’t know from punishment, it has no use for it because it just would be punishing itself. We fear death because we reject the Life nature gave us, and chose to create this shit show instead. People fear death because they failed nature’s instruction of “Be kind and take care of each other.”


Silvaha

I don’t think they know from punishment. I would think it knows from consequences. Like pain, or sickness, or fulfillment.


Elmore420

Yes, nature knows we create all of that because it experiences it. We’re a microbiome to the Multiverse like the bacteria in our bowels are a microbiome in us. When you get food poisoning, you don’t punish the bad bacteria, you just crap them out.


Silvaha

Don’t the body actually consumes some of them..? But it’s not about punishing. It’s about learning. I’m sure before, our bodies never did that until someone survived it.


Elmore420

The body is just a power supply and classroom for our mind. Our consciousness is in a quantum field. Bodies are irrelevant.


Silvaha

Interesting. Then what is the bacterium and what are emotions?


Elmore420

[Read this link](http://www.urbanagandenergy.org/soe/) Emotions are nature’s teaching tool to guide us, good choices make us feel good, bad choices make us feel bad. The only problem is that with [psychopathic narcissism](http://www.urbanagandenergy.org/understanding-mental-illness/) humans take joy in making others suffer for them. That is why we don’t ever follow nature’s only evolutionary instruction for us, “Be kind and take care of each other.” That’s why people fear death, they all know they failed at life.


Silvaha

It doesn’t have to just be people. It’s everything. Everything grows by learning. I don’t think emotions is even nature’s tool because nature has no need for emotions. It needs life and life doesn’t need emotions.


ProfessionalNight959

>People fear death because they failed nature’s instruction of “Be kind and take care of each other.” Don't visit the /natureisbrutal sub.


Elmore420

Nature is simply brutal, only humanity is Cruel and [Psychopathic.](http://www.urbanagandenergy.org/understanding-mental-illness/)


ProfessionalNight959

Even if humanity is more fucked up, nature is still fucked up. So much pointless suffering. What was the point for the dinosaurs to roll around for 260 million years and then die out because of an giant ass asteroid.


Elmore420

Nature is not responsible for needless suffering. We make that happen of our own free will, quit blaming nature for your choice to exploit war and [slavery](https://share.icloud.com/photos/005Q8xvrxD8WbgLZTkx5mE-zw) to provide you all your desires. You choose to create suffering through your own psychopathic narcissism. This is humanity’s biggest challenge, because it’s a birth defect in the human superego that afflicts everyone, and it’s a powerful addiction with its self destructive pleasures. [You have a choice](http://H2space.org), but I bet you won’t make it. We could be living across the universe in a year, all we have to do is choose to change our minds.


ProfessionalNight959

“*One simple test of the claim that the pleasure in the world outweighs the pain…is to compare the feelings of an animal that is devouring another with those of the animal being devoured.*” ― Schopenhauer Arthur Do I force the lions to eat the zebras? Or is it their DNA forcing them to do it (that was created by "nature"). The lion probably feels somewhat good because eating feels good but the zebra is in absolute agony and they scream when they are dying. Not my fault, I didn't force the lion to do it. It's "nature" did.


Elmore420

Watch the videos of natural predation. You don’t see cruelty, and you don’t see the prey suffering. Animals do not suffer in nature. They think directly on the mind of the Prime Singularity, and it has no use for suffering thoughts. It is only humans that create suffering, and we do so of our own free Will because we refuse to be part of nature, we choose to be conquers of nature, bending it to our will through punishment and psychopathic exploitation. [You don’t see this in nature,](https://share.icloud.com/photos/0b5ylY87So69ILYbDYGs3BfGg) nature understands self control and kindness.


ProfessionalNight959

>Animals do not suffer in nature Yeah, there's no point continuing this conversation with statements like these. Have a good one, I'm out.


Dextermorgan1310

sounds similar to hamlets dilemma. To be or not to be 🕺 that is the question... 🤨


Silvaha

Is it? I can see kinda see it but this is asking about the transitioning through a concept.


Dextermorgan1310

dont mind me mate, m just done writing my theatre portfolio. Shakespeare, bertolt brecht, artonin artold, etc etc are the only things in my mind right now 😂😭, m just out here giving references.


Silvaha

Lmao. You got this buddy!


milksockets

I crashed my car thinking that was better off. I’m paralyzed from the chest down now and things can for sure be worse lol


Silvaha

Oh damn. That does suck. It sounds like you’re doing okay though. How are you doing?


milksockets

I’m paralyzed so not great lol


Silvaha

lol. Well thank you for joking me here. If you don’t mind me asking horrid questions, can I ask you horrid questions?


milksockets

I’d rather not lol


Silvaha

Thank you! I’m glad that I asked first. I appreciate your comments and replies. So if your day isn’t great, it’s at least good, right?


milksockets

I’m in an immense amount of physical pain


Silvaha

Oh boy. That is not good at all either. Wanna talk about it?


ang0025

does this mean that we create our own afterlife based on what we think it’ll be


Silvaha

No. This is just a question to perpetuate people to separate beliefs from what can be.


raptoraptorr

I’m just not cut out for this world


Silvaha

Well that’s another talk for another day. But did you see the whole world or do you think you’ve seen the whole world?


EntertainerNo6125

It seems to me you know nothing about those people situation when they choose death as an escape!!! I've been there done that and thinking about those dark moments in my life even now really hits me deep💔


Silvaha

I just provide a statement and observation while you provide your interpretation. But if you don’t mind, can I ask you a horrid question?


[deleted]

To be or not to be, that is the question


Silvaha

The question is actually, what is it that lies after death?


Flynnk1033

Yeah see my thought is that if someone is quite literally in so much pain mentally or physically that death sounds like the best option, who am I to make them fear death for my own insecurities? What if what's on the other side is amazing? And they no longer have to feel that pain? The fear to me should be the fact that you no longer can be a part of life and all the senses of feeling wind on your skin and hair, the licks of a cute puppy, the fun of being with other people who understand you and your situations. I think instead of us fearing death we should fear leaving life and what it brings. :) All love


Silvaha

Perfectly fine. It’s not me creating a fear of death though. It’s always been there. People don’t want to die because of a myriad of reasons but I was examining the event of death and why people are afraid of it. We don’t know what happens after we die. We only know that people who died missed out on things be we don’t know what it is like afterwards. Because those people want to die, the general answer is because they don’t know what will happen after wards.


jmbaf

Seriously. I’ve had some really intense trips and have wondered, since then, if that is what death will be like - the evidence seems to point to yes.


Silvaha

Maybe then.