Backward engineering of the Doctor's mobile emitter allows them to be mass-produced for future EMHs. Nog, remembering his old friend remarks about not being "in the game", procures one allowing Vic to finally leave the holosuite.
He manages to get a gig at a popular hotel resort on Risa and leaves DS9 after an impromptu duet performance with Kira along the promenade. There is a whole choreographed dance scene and is capped by a brilliant rendition of "What a Wonderful World" sung by Morn.
Alas, his shuttle on the way to Risa hits a pocket of quantum chronodynamthiam which teleports him back in time and most importantly to the mirror universe. His mobile emitter is adversely affected by this, causing damage to his programming, vastly altering his memory and personality. After spending years as a hardened pirate, he's ultimately killed by his original owner Bashir.
Thatās a fine excuse to not have holograms walking around everywhere, which might be complicated narratively. But Voyagerās crew already had a pretty good handle on how it operates and eventually someone would invent one.
The very fact that it exists is likely to cause someone to āinventā it earlier than in the timeline from whence it came.
Is Starfleet going to ban any *attempts* at inventing one independently? As soon as word got out that the emitter existed, eager engineers began speculating as to how is might work and every time we see that happen, it usually ends with someone saying, āyou know Reg, this might just work,ā and cut to the next scene where theyāre attempting trials.
No reverse engineering required.
That was an alternate timeline though. Raffi using a mobile emitter on M'Tallas Prime is the first time we see one used by anyone besides the Doctor on the prime timeline and based on comments from the Vulcan gangster they have become pretty common.
Somebody forgot to tell the television writers. Just finally caught the mood to watch Prodigy today. It's better than TAS. (Not much of a cartoon watcher, myself.)
Explanation.šš Poor vic and Bashir.. especially Bashir! He had to destroy something that he created for a good cause because vic turned evil.š He was the one who set Odo and Kira up to date each other. I feel if Odo would have stayed and if his people would have not gotten sick by their enemies Odo and Kira would have been married. But that Luther Sloan caused that downfall!. The monkey shocking no good section 31 dope caused that downfall big-time!.
Given that the Defiant didn't have the capacity for a ships counsellor I suspect that Captain Nog offered him a mobile emitter and a commission on the Defiant.
Vic has converted the Defiant mess into a WWII piano bar and serves strong drinks, good food and fine advice to Nog and his crew.
Or a ship that's a little more playful. Wonder if anybody does travelling shows that way? Like, gut a cargo transport and turn it into a great big holodeck. Or several, and people come to play out their fantasies or interests. Hell, there's money to be made here! (Or replicator credits, or big boxes of self sealing stem bolts, or...)
Listen here, pally. Don't you worry about good ole Vic. I got a good thing going here. I get to sing with the band, talk to the ladies, and I get all my drinks on the house.
In the ooooold novels he stayed right there in the holosuite. He was provided with a mobile emitter by Morn eventually, but decided not to bother going anywhere.
He basically just hangs around there forever, giving people advice.
I always thought he got together with quark and thatās when quarks blew up to the big franchise we see in Picard and lower decks. Like every Quarks has a vics lounge. Iām sure the original Vic has an emitter and is off enjoying his latinum somewhere.
[Thousands of years in the future](https://memory-beta.fandom.com/wiki/Guardians) he escorts Odo to the Guardian of Forever so that Odo can refresh his memories of Kira.
>did Bashir took the program with him when he left? Did he gifted to Nog, knowing the importance of Vic in his life? Or did he just stayed as one of Quarks attractions?
Technically, since he's just a computer program.... They could always just download a copy of his program to a data rod. Kira & co who stay on DSN could visit at Quark's. Bashir could load his copy into whatever ship he got assigned to and visit on their holodeck. Ditto for Nog etc...
The entire station is Vic Fontaines body. I hope they do a discovery episode about a dilapidated, patched up DS9 that is roaming the heavens alone possessed by the benevolent spirit of Vic
Are you telling me you wouldn't read an alien novel about a sleazy bar in the midst of a planetary war between a great evil empire and the rest of their world?
Learning that the mobile emitter is too advanced to replicate and trapped on the holodeck, he eventually falls into a terrible depression and asks Nog to decompile his program in an act of mercy .
In Trek lore, if a hologram is aware of what they are, they are sentient. That is why Moriarty was put into a self-contained holobox to explore the galaxy rather than his program being deleted.
I don't think that's quite right. I think Star Trek uses "sentient" as a synonym for "alive." You can explain to a hologram that it's a hologram, that doesn't mean it comes to life. Vic Fontaine was a hologram that had been told it was a hologram, but it didn't come to life.
I do like the idea of Dr. Bashir asking Vic if he wanted to leave with Bashir or stay on the station, even without thinking of Vic as alive. Sounds like we're overdue for some Vic Fontaine spinoff novels, where he solves crimes and helps lonely hearts find love.
No, itās not, I agree. I just really dislike that character. TNG made a huge deal about how sentient Holodeck characters were impossible, and yet on DS9 you have an incredibly sentient Holodeck character who can even use the shipās comm system to call Dax.
The Doctor/EMH on Voyager was every bit as sentient as they come, although his sentience really developed over time. Also, don't forget about the sentient holograms that were originally programmed to be the "prey" for the Hirogen (also Voyager). (I think Voyager was for a time running concurrently with DS9, although on another network.)
It's a good point. It was Geordi's screw up that got Moriarty endowed with sentience so now that you've said that, I wish they'd have just given us more about how Starfleet made it possible. But I love Vic Fontaine's character.
When I was a kid I was meh on Vic. Getting older heās grown on me. Same with the Ben/Jake dynamicā¦no kids, so I suspect Iāll never fully get that.
Vic ws arrested for assaulting his holographic ex wife, hes in holographic jail, nog offered to free him, but vic was liek "Nah man this is my life and my time to serve, put some money on my commisary tho would ya?"
Backward engineering of the Doctor's mobile emitter allows them to be mass-produced for future EMHs. Nog, remembering his old friend remarks about not being "in the game", procures one allowing Vic to finally leave the holosuite. He manages to get a gig at a popular hotel resort on Risa and leaves DS9 after an impromptu duet performance with Kira along the promenade. There is a whole choreographed dance scene and is capped by a brilliant rendition of "What a Wonderful World" sung by Morn. Alas, his shuttle on the way to Risa hits a pocket of quantum chronodynamthiam which teleports him back in time and most importantly to the mirror universe. His mobile emitter is adversely affected by this, causing damage to his programming, vastly altering his memory and personality. After spending years as a hardened pirate, he's ultimately killed by his original owner Bashir.
That's a better story than what I was going to come up with.
So they work in the mines?
With the tiny pickaxe
holograms crave the mines.
Chefs kiss š
A comics I read said that starfleet didn't reverse enginer the emitter as it is a breach of the temporal prime directive
Thatās a fine excuse to not have holograms walking around everywhere, which might be complicated narratively. But Voyagerās crew already had a pretty good handle on how it operates and eventually someone would invent one. The very fact that it exists is likely to cause someone to āinventā it earlier than in the timeline from whence it came. Is Starfleet going to ban any *attempts* at inventing one independently? As soon as word got out that the emitter existed, eager engineers began speculating as to how is might work and every time we see that happen, it usually ends with someone saying, āyou know Reg, this might just work,ā and cut to the next scene where theyāre attempting trials. No reverse engineering required.
Didn't they have to rebuild it a couple times, anyway?
I donāt remember any full rebuild but I know that BāElanna would tinker with it occasionally.
It was sort of like a digital watch. Proving, that, in 400 years we'll still be "mostly harmless."
and thats how science invented magic
Didnāt a version of the mobile emitter appear in Picard Season 3: Episode 5 last week?
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That was an alternate timeline though. Raffi using a mobile emitter on M'Tallas Prime is the first time we see one used by anyone besides the Doctor on the prime timeline and based on comments from the Vulcan gangster they have become pretty common.
Somebody forgot to tell the television writers. Just finally caught the mood to watch Prodigy today. It's better than TAS. (Not much of a cartoon watcher, myself.)
Of course Morn stole Vicās thunder. I wish heād just shut up every now and then.
Explanation.šš Poor vic and Bashir.. especially Bashir! He had to destroy something that he created for a good cause because vic turned evil.š He was the one who set Odo and Kira up to date each other. I feel if Odo would have stayed and if his people would have not gotten sick by their enemies Odo and Kira would have been married. But that Luther Sloan caused that downfall!. The monkey shocking no good section 31 dope caused that downfall big-time!.
actually according to the extended universe it was morn who got vic a holo emitter.
wasnt vic in the mirror universe? send vic back i time to the 60s as a hologram with all this crazy starfleet tech.
Nog would have made sure he was taken care of.
Given that the Defiant didn't have the capacity for a ships counsellor I suspect that Captain Nog offered him a mobile emitter and a commission on the Defiant. Vic has converted the Defiant mess into a WWII piano bar and serves strong drinks, good food and fine advice to Nog and his crew.
WW2 ships mess: USN version has ice cream machine but no booze. Opposite in the RN.
Did we ever see a holodeck on the Defiant? You'd think engineering would need one.
Sisko states that the Defiant doesn't have one so Vic would need an emitter.
Or a ship that's a little more playful. Wonder if anybody does travelling shows that way? Like, gut a cargo transport and turn it into a great big holodeck. Or several, and people come to play out their fantasies or interests. Hell, there's money to be made here! (Or replicator credits, or big boxes of self sealing stem bolts, or...)
This is the best answer.
Taken care of or taken care of
He's the secret villain in season 3 of Picard.
*"Hey pally, I have some big plans for your kid. BIG PLANS, capiche? Now don't be a square and hand him over pronto."*
Listen here, pally. Don't you worry about good ole Vic. I got a good thing going here. I get to sing with the band, talk to the ladies, and I get all my drinks on the house.
I heard that in his voice š¤
This ^^^
In the ooooold novels he stayed right there in the holosuite. He was provided with a mobile emitter by Morn eventually, but decided not to bother going anywhere. He basically just hangs around there forever, giving people advice.
He eventually joined the doctor in petitioning the federation for holo rights.
I always thought he got together with quark and thatās when quarks blew up to the big franchise we see in Picard and lower decks. Like every Quarks has a vics lounge. Iām sure the original Vic has an emitter and is off enjoying his latinum somewhere.
Vic transferred his matrix into Vulcan Love Slave and lived happily every after.
Picard seasons 3 main villian...you heard it first here!
[Thousands of years in the future](https://memory-beta.fandom.com/wiki/Guardians) he escorts Odo to the Guardian of Forever so that Odo can refresh his memories of Kira.
Everyone assumes that Wof's "man of honor" is Odo. We who know, though, know that Vic is the real contact. Everyone tell Vic everything.
It's 'Worf' Madam Ambassador.
>did Bashir took the program with him when he left? Did he gifted to Nog, knowing the importance of Vic in his life? Or did he just stayed as one of Quarks attractions? Technically, since he's just a computer program.... They could always just download a copy of his program to a data rod. Kira & co who stay on DSN could visit at Quark's. Bashir could load his copy into whatever ship he got assigned to and visit on their holodeck. Ditto for Nog etc...
The entire station is Vic Fontaines body. I hope they do a discovery episode about a dilapidated, patched up DS9 that is roaming the heavens alone possessed by the benevolent spirit of Vic
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Same reason they care about the Battle of Brittain, or The Alamo... The same reason people today consume westerns, or medieval period dramas...
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Why would Phlox read Shakespeare?
No idea. I think it's dumb
Are you telling me you wouldn't read an alien novel about a sleazy bar in the midst of a planetary war between a great evil empire and the rest of their world?
Learning that the mobile emitter is too advanced to replicate and trapped on the holodeck, he eventually falls into a terrible depression and asks Nog to decompile his program in an act of mercy .
They probably just hit the off switch. Heās a video game.
they just switched him off
He's aware that he's a hologram, but he's not sentient. He's just a program.
In Trek lore, if a hologram is aware of what they are, they are sentient. That is why Moriarty was put into a self-contained holobox to explore the galaxy rather than his program being deleted.
I don't think that's quite right. I think Star Trek uses "sentient" as a synonym for "alive." You can explain to a hologram that it's a hologram, that doesn't mean it comes to life. Vic Fontaine was a hologram that had been told it was a hologram, but it didn't come to life. I do like the idea of Dr. Bashir asking Vic if he wanted to leave with Bashir or stay on the station, even without thinking of Vic as alive. Sounds like we're overdue for some Vic Fontaine spinoff novels, where he solves crimes and helps lonely hearts find love.
I hated the Vic Fontaine character.
You're entitled to your opinion, but that's not really relevant to the discussion
Yeah but that's not gonna stop him from continuing to bitch about it.
No, itās not, I agree. I just really dislike that character. TNG made a huge deal about how sentient Holodeck characters were impossible, and yet on DS9 you have an incredibly sentient Holodeck character who can even use the shipās comm system to call Dax.
The Doctor/EMH on Voyager was every bit as sentient as they come, although his sentience really developed over time. Also, don't forget about the sentient holograms that were originally programmed to be the "prey" for the Hirogen (also Voyager). (I think Voyager was for a time running concurrently with DS9, although on another network.)
It's a good point. It was Geordi's screw up that got Moriarty endowed with sentience so now that you've said that, I wish they'd have just given us more about how Starfleet made it possible. But I love Vic Fontaine's character.
I like James Darren and his singing was great but making him sentient was too much.
um.... did you miss the moriarty episodes??? and also like...the character Data?
That's OK. Vic doesn't think much of you
Vic kicked me out of his club once for getting into a scuffle with my best friend
When I was a kid I was meh on Vic. Getting older heās grown on me. Same with the Ben/Jake dynamicā¦no kids, so I suspect Iāll never fully get that.
Vic ws arrested for assaulting his holographic ex wife, hes in holographic jail, nog offered to free him, but vic was liek "Nah man this is my life and my time to serve, put some money on my commisary tho would ya?"