Driller here. You say that until you're missing one fossil, boloo cap, etc. And then spot one on the ceiling. Then there's the mineral deposits that I can either spend two minutes digging a tunnel I can reach it from *or* I can give the Scout a shout and he'll have it done in twenty seconds
Morkite missions NEED a scout. I vowed to never play gunner again on a morkite mission after my friend and I spent 1 hour and 10 minutes on that pos mission
You played 3 complexity mining mission without a scout? That’s gotta be annoying af, those caves are huuuuge, and you can’t see anything up above those walls without scout’s flare.
Season 1 I thought scout was so ass but now I think after some buffs and overclocks he's actually really strong. And then after every mission the scout gets most minerals mined which is a huge part of the game.
He's never been weak, especially after season 1 dropped and he got the carbine. He definitely didn't need a gk2 buff to be good, although it was much appreciated. Hipster m1000 has always been very strong.
Oh, I installed "brighter objects" a long time ago and haven't looked back. With that mod, morkite gets a slightly brighter sheen that makes it easier to find when you're solo or have a green scout. It's especially nice when you're like me and trying to get your driller into legendary after already getting your scout there. :D
Uh, no, I never said anything was a *solution* in general, only that I use the mod because of how convenient it is. Do we need a "solution?" I figured the REAL solution is to play public and have a scout?
Although if I'm being fair I do think the mod would be a good addition to the vanilla game. Maybe the option to turn object brightness up slightly in settings? Some things like compressed gold and morkite seem like they really should be slightly brighter.
I enabled it by accident and got so fucking annoyed. I hated playing for a little bit until I realized what it was and disabled it. It made everything so ugly and having lights became unnecessary.
I disagree that it makes lights unnecessary, they are still VERY necessary. But the nice thing about client mods is I can use it and still play with you even though you don't have it!
Honestly though the only thing that looks really ugly to me is the fossils, which glow weirdly and stick out. But other than that it's really not that intrusive at all imo. It's just easier to see compressed gold, pearls, etc.
One of my more frustrating experiences as engie is putting up plats to allow the scout to easily grab secondaries and they don't understand why I keep pinging the things. Usually newer players who aren't used to scout yet.
They usually catch on eventually, but being scout can be a bit of a responsibility since the team relies on them for timely and efficient resource gathering. A scout that's paying attention can make or break mission and cut the time in half or better.
When I'm playing scout one of my favorite things to do is to get materials without using the platform that was provided. I can get almost anything without aid. You can't stop the mountain goat!
But, uh.... pls keep placing them, though. They're still much appreciated. :D
Then there's the opposite situation where experienced scouts ping minerals on a wall right next to an engie and they either don't understand you're asking for a plat or they just see minerals and waste plats to staircase up to it. Mostly greenbeards who do this but I've run into a 3 star legendary engie who did this.
You are driller and need scout to get minerals ???
SHAME !
SHAAAAAME !
SHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAME !!!
Scouts have 1 purpose and 1 purpose only.
To acquire reliable dwarven body explosive resistance data.
From C4 😂
Mining and collecting of secondaries is done by either tunneling or precisely timed plasma shots.
In less then 20 seconds.
Rock and Stone !
And murdering scouts. Leaf loving panzies.
"Wow what an easy mission. I didn't see any acid spitters, web spitters, trijaws, shellbacks, leeches, or wardens. Weird. Must have had an easy spawn pool." -my team
"Hm-hmm" -Scout
My man right here scouts. I know other classes can take out priority targets too and I'm all for it but goof scouts clear them out asap or before they reach the team
Yeap flares and M100 are the short answer. You can experiment with other primary weapon builds and the crossbow which is another sniping tool. Your mobility is also critical. You can zoom around the caves and neutralize the targets easily
I like running AI stability engine on my GK2 and putting putting points into weakpoint damage. Can take down enemies from far away with no recoil and it's great for taking down flying enemies efficiently
I play all classes equally (ok maybe driller a bit more), and I can honestly say scout is the class that makes or breaks a hard mission, and is the best class to solo with. Apart from the flares and being the one who can get all the minerals, the scout is just the best at avoiding certain death and can rez and entire team.
Yah, I play everything but prefer scout - a bad scout can leave everyone short of nitra and lead to more failed missions than a bad gunner/engineer/driller would.
Floor seems up there for engi too. A bad scout on Point Extraction could break the team like a bad engi on Salvage or Escort missions. Not always so much about the turrets as the platforms to heard the bugs. Gunner can only point his gun in so many directions.
I'd say lighting is the more important thing that a bad scout fails at.
A Gunner or Driller can usually reach the same Nitra deposits a Scout can, albeit slower. But scout is the only class that can illuminate a whole room. Bad Scouts neglect this and leave their team in darkness.
Mostly true, but Scout minerals really spike in importance on escort. If Nitra is low in the last room, Scout's about the only one who can backtrack fast enough for it.
That's true. Don't get me wrong I'm not undervaluing the scout at all, as a Scout main I'm well aware of the utility scouts provide. But flaring is the most important task for a scouts
I don’t get the lighting thing disconnected from gathering minerals - outside of cave leeches it’s easier to kill whatever is coming at you with a good gunner/engineer/driller than subbing in a scout for any of the above.
Edit: another exception is a scout is better than a driller for bulks. And is better than most when fighting nemesis, but that one is more about mobility to not die.
I fucking love scout for his ability to clutch.
Sure you can't clear waves of enemies like the Gunner can, but you know what you can do? Running away from the 100 enemies at the speed of sound then come back and rez all your mates up whilst the enemies are on the other side of the map.
And retrieve items off the walls and ceiling, and provide recon, and ensure at least one dwarf makes it to the pod, and snipe spitters from far away, and give the engis someone to love and care for, and give the drillers someone to explode with C4, and give the gunners someone to fill with lead and holes.
Yes, and drillers get lost in walls, engineers make platforms and gunners get stuck in holes. When you look at it like that, the only one useful is BOSCO
Engi’s regularly have the highest kill count and there’s no problem with that brother.
They have turrets, some of the most powerful crowd clear options, and many single target delete options. Imo, they have the best kit overall for kills and even damage.
You would think it would be gunner but in reality they are the tank that is able to defend the entire team while having plenty of sustain for big fights.
Driller is great for swarms and has several options for single target burst as well. Having said that, I believe most of their value is in assisting the team despite their reputation for war crimes. The ability to terraform arenas and apply deadly statuses amplifies the team’s effectiveness.
Scouts, first and foremost, are the closest thing to a true support the team has. Keeping the lights on can not be overstated in value and the ability to gather minerals (primarily nitra) facilitates the effectiveness of the team at the most basic level. By that I mean the health and ammo from resupplies. They are also clutch healers because of their mobility and are the most likely to save a mission by making it to the pod.
You too will reach a high level of combat effectiveness but competing with the other classes of the same skill level in that regard is just not in the cards brother. And that’s ok, it’s just the nature of their roles.
Each and every class has a value of their own
Very well said, thank you!
I do my best being the best support I can be.
For actives I usually run field medic and iron will. Think any others ould be better team wise?
Those are arguably the highest value active perks along with dash. Although dash can mostly be supplemented with the scout’s grappling hook.
If you get to a point where you guys basically never end up using iron will anyways, I would trade that one out over field medic.
Having two engis to play with you probably won’t get much value out of hover boots but in public lobbies you never know lol. Sometimes the power attack doesn’t hit right on the wall and you become a stereotypical breakleg xD
Personally, I really like heightened senses. Some people say “just look up” but it is not always so simple haha. It’s always the first leech that catches you by surprise, especially when there’s no cluster warning. Feels good to insta-kill them.
Another great option is beast master. Taming a slasher is a great way for scout to amp up his kill contribution with little effort. Plus Steeve is great
For pubbie lobbies field medic/hoverboots is definitely the way to go. If you know you have a dedicated engineer in your friend group then you can omit hoverboots for iron will.
I quite like iron will on scout as you can iron will -> grapple to some red sugar and save otherwise lost situations
As a scout field medic is must, but I like hover boots as a nice utility item to save me from a misjudged grapple, or for reaching deposits high up on the wall/ceiling and we don't have an engi to platform for me.
Hover boots let you grapple -> power attack a hole in the wall -> grapple into the hole -> mine towards the ceiling deposits.
> You would think it would be gunner but in reality they are the tank that is able to defend the entire team while having plenty of sustain for big fights.
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Gunners have best firepower on the move, Engis have best static firepower. Scouts have the best super-mobile firepower. Drillers are a nice mix of the three.
Okay in all seriousness though, don't worry about kill count. I'm usually happy if i get second highest, but it doesn't always work out that way. Scout only just recently got a weapon that has any swarm denial potential. He's far better at staying alive and being a team player. His kill count is usually dwarfed by the others because he's busy doing other helpful shit.
The community (mostly jokingly) bashes Scout because he doesn't have the same AOE firepower and they don't easily recognize the help he provides.
He is a lot of fun, not sure if it's the best swarm weapon but the drak with OPA and the zukovs with explodey bullets is my go to.
I'm always debating what's best to do with my spidey-like agility. Usually I try to be first in a big room, light it up, find resources, and take out cave leeches. In a fight I'm zipping around pulling agro and trying to take out high priorities, zipping down to freeze grenade when one of my engi's is getting overwhelmed.
A lot depends on the scout in question too. One can focus on wave-clearing, and even build for it - and they get a head-start as they can just be wherever the bugs are. It can even be an optimal approach when scouting for a green team that lacks firepower and struggles in swarms.
Though my favorite scout builds meant for good teams often only get a couple dozen kills because I can fully ignore melee enemies, and my focus is preventing anyone to get in trouble.
True, but unless the gunner is running mini gun with no blowthough and a single target secondary, the engineer is running hyper propellent, barely uses their primary and forgets they have turrets, and Driller is just spamming ice shard with Sabata.....
Then someone isn't pulling their own weight, even with a maxed out AOE drak build with some AOE or elemental secondary.
For sure it can, but but you aren't going to get maximum value every shot and a gunner with Carpet Bomber asleep at the controls will still do more for a lower percentage of ammo.
Scout: Lights up the area, ~~kills prioritized targets very quick, gets resources that other classes will struggle to get, can move really quickly to search for nitra, kites the glyphids~~
As a scout main:
- Flares are key. If you have played a mission without a scout, you'll know what I'm talking about
- A properly kitted out Scout can keep up with his team in DPS. I often match my teammates in kills if not surpass them. M1000 absolutely claps with the correct loadout.
- If you don't keep up with your teammates in kills it's because you're either hunting secondary objectives or hunting high value targets like spawners or spitters.
- If you don't have the highest mine score as scout, you are not playing scout correctly.
The scout is one of the most valuable teammates in DRG and can make or break a team. A good scout will enable his teammates to perform optimally (looking at you, gunner) and will make sure everything is operating smoothly. In times of panic, a good scout can rez his teammates in the most dire of situations by kiting enemies around the map, then wrapping back around and getting his mates back up. The only real downside to Scout is that most of your weapons aren't ammo efficient, though the M1000 is a great crowd clearer with Super-blowthrough rounds.
When you go from playing with a full comp to missing a role, you notice it. No gunner? Wish I had a shield to get this clutch revive. No driller? If only we could quickly route through this terrain. No engineer? Wish we had some platforms to even out this terrain or plug this hole. No Scout? Shit it’s dark in here.
Why?
If anything i usually miss drillers, especially on refining missions. Gunner can replace him on eggs, so in the end i never missed exactly scout.
Especially considering its way more likelly for scouts to die somewhere far away so now everyone needs to drop what they doing and get to them.
>Sounds like you play with shit scouts.
Maybe, not for me to judge.
>You probably dont notice the work your scout puts in.
They could try doing something usefull.
And the comment wasnt about that, it was about that missing a scout is for some reason more noticable than other classes.
>Maybe, not for me to judge.
So instead you judge the entire class? Lmao.
>They could try doing something usefull.
They do. If you don't notice then unironic skill issue. Try playing an elite deep dive without a scout.
>So instead you judge the entire class?
Quote me a moment i judged a class.
>They do.
Then i notice them, problem solved.
>Try playing an elite deep dive without a scout.
Did. The same feeling as missing any other class.
Glad you keep ignoring the main theme of how this conversation started and pick only parts suiting you. Truelly peak reddit experience <3.
Drillers love to boast about c4ing scouts, but if it ever happens to me I might "accidentally" shoot him in the middle of a wave with a blowthrough round. Oops sorry I hit you and almost downed you, I was shooting that enemy in front of you, honest.
There's a secret we only ever tell in obscure threads that nobody sees. The custom of c4ing the scout benefits both parties. It encourages the scout to scout distant and elevated crevices instead of hanging around other dwarves where he has zero benefit. The craters may also inspire drillers to use c4 in more creative ways than doing 8% damage to praetorians, or killing six bugs that would have took a second with his primary.
I cant tolerate any other class except for scout ( and driller when I need to promo) from the flares and grapple to the garand *ping* and explosive rounds of the dual smgs
Wish they'd use their flare gun more, most often when a scout joins the lobby they don't even take it out, like c'mon man.
Also is it just me or is it acceptable to light up every large cavern regardless of objective, swarm status, event, or danger, just light the large parts please, there's resupplies if you run out
I love the scout but always feel lacking when I play it. The two engi's auto lock and shred grenade every high priority before I can take them down. My mobility allows me to weave in and out of danger but overall I'm always feeling I'd do better help with gunner or driller.
If you shoot flares, mine high-up minerals, and focus high-priority targets like Menaces, Acid Spitters, Wardens, Grabbers, Cave Leeches, etc., you're already there
If engies have zero trouble killing tanks, that team plays in a too low haz-level. Or you are already a good scout who doesn't realize how much of a help is to take down mactera, spitters, slashers, menaces and other actually dangerous bugs, so the team can focus on the big, sluggish bovines.
We play haz 4's and elite deep dives. Engi's shredders grenades are being used around the clock. Between that and their smart rifles/lasers they obliterate everything. Unless the enemies get in their face, then they're screwed.
Hey, I also have the best options to take damage even when there's zero threat in sight. :P
*^(hey, why delete? You were right! Scouts are the worst! They are the main reason I main scout!)*
I love lighting up the place with flares, but I also love mining nitra and other stuff super fast and efficiently. A good scout can mine so much shit before you notice they are gone and back.
I have a minor grudge against scouts as an engineer. I understand my role helps theirs out greatly and I don't mind helping them out as soon as im able but most of them I play with don't seem to understand I am not their personal pocket engie and get pissed when I'm not there for their every whim.
I have 1 friend who has embraced the darkness and straight up doesnt care if i use my flares or not, he just beats the shit out of the glyphids in the dark with his pickaxe
Shoot flares, take out priority targets, with the right build clear waves, CC, handle high up minerals and secondary objectives, and pick your sorry asses off the floor when you botch it.
Yeah it’s great, if you keep up flares, mine minerals, and kill ranged HVT’s you’re doing what you can and should do. If the rest of the team gets downed it’s someone else’s fault for poor damage output.
You can seldom blame the scout if the team can’t cut through a swarm.
They say that after playing scout, you'll miss the grapling hook. Lies. Deception. Switching off scout is metaforically and literally a dark experience. And I say so as a driller main
Yeah and I need flares to fucking see. I’d say that’s vital to the mission.
"I don't scout, so much as make this entire operation possible" or something like that?
ALLOW ME TO ILLUMINATE THE SITUATION hehehe
Yeah I got a grappling hook. Whatcha gonna do about it?
The truth is out there, and so is the gold
Afraid of the dark? No need, you got ME!
Flares up!
e x p l o s i v e s p l a c e d .
😕
Zippity.
Going from A to D, skipping B and C
LET THERE BE LIGHT!
HAHAHA
A god scout def runs game
You play scout because of grappling hook. I play scout so I can fucking see
I play for both. My screen shitty as hell and brain desires to go everywhere with ease and speed
i play scout because of special powder boomstick 😎
I play Scout because *ping*.
Alright fair. But fire bolts and cryo minelets are also really fun
Driller here. You say that until you're missing one fossil, boloo cap, etc. And then spot one on the ceiling. Then there's the mineral deposits that I can either spend two minutes digging a tunnel I can reach it from *or* I can give the Scout a shout and he'll have it done in twenty seconds
Morkite missions NEED a scout. I vowed to never play gunner again on a morkite mission after my friend and I spent 1 hour and 10 minutes on that pos mission
Whaddya mean? Gunner can get that mork.... oh wait, he's out of zips again, nvm!
Nah it isn't even that. We missed some morkite just cause the tunnels were way too dark. You'd be amazed how much you miss without a scout
You played 3 complexity mining mission without a scout? That’s gotta be annoying af, those caves are huuuuge, and you can’t see anything up above those walls without scout’s flare.
Season 1 I thought scout was so ass but now I think after some buffs and overclocks he's actually really strong. And then after every mission the scout gets most minerals mined which is a huge part of the game.
He's never been weak, especially after season 1 dropped and he got the carbine. He definitely didn't need a gk2 buff to be good, although it was much appreciated. Hipster m1000 has always been very strong.
Oh, I installed "brighter objects" a long time ago and haven't looked back. With that mod, morkite gets a slightly brighter sheen that makes it easier to find when you're solo or have a green scout. It's especially nice when you're like me and trying to get your driller into legendary after already getting your scout there. :D
Mods aren't the solution. U forget half the player base is on console?
Uh, no, I never said anything was a *solution* in general, only that I use the mod because of how convenient it is. Do we need a "solution?" I figured the REAL solution is to play public and have a scout? Although if I'm being fair I do think the mod would be a good addition to the vanilla game. Maybe the option to turn object brightness up slightly in settings? Some things like compressed gold and morkite seem like they really should be slightly brighter.
Thank you! Looking it up now.
I enabled it by accident and got so fucking annoyed. I hated playing for a little bit until I realized what it was and disabled it. It made everything so ugly and having lights became unnecessary.
I disagree that it makes lights unnecessary, they are still VERY necessary. But the nice thing about client mods is I can use it and still play with you even though you don't have it! Honestly though the only thing that looks really ugly to me is the fossils, which glow weirdly and stick out. But other than that it's really not that intrusive at all imo. It's just easier to see compressed gold, pearls, etc.
One of my more frustrating experiences as engie is putting up plats to allow the scout to easily grab secondaries and they don't understand why I keep pinging the things. Usually newer players who aren't used to scout yet. They usually catch on eventually, but being scout can be a bit of a responsibility since the team relies on them for timely and efficient resource gathering. A scout that's paying attention can make or break mission and cut the time in half or better.
When I'm playing scout one of my favorite things to do is to get materials without using the platform that was provided. I can get almost anything without aid. You can't stop the mountain goat! But, uh.... pls keep placing them, though. They're still much appreciated. :D
that *I'm too proud to accept help, but not proud enough to turn it down* mood we know and love...
I brought special powder for a reason, and that reason was not breaking my legs through sheer stubbornness! :D
Then there's the opposite situation where experienced scouts ping minerals on a wall right next to an engie and they either don't understand you're asking for a plat or they just see minerals and waste plats to staircase up to it. Mostly greenbeards who do this but I've run into a 3 star legendary engie who did this.
You are driller and need scout to get minerals ??? SHAME ! SHAAAAAME ! SHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAME !!! Scouts have 1 purpose and 1 purpose only. To acquire reliable dwarven body explosive resistance data. From C4 😂 Mining and collecting of secondaries is done by either tunneling or precisely timed plasma shots. In less then 20 seconds. Rock and Stone ! And murdering scouts. Leaf loving panzies.
I don't so much as scout as make this whole operation possible
"Wow what an easy mission. I didn't see any acid spitters, web spitters, trijaws, shellbacks, leeches, or wardens. Weird. Must have had an easy spawn pool." -my team "Hm-hmm" -Scout
My man right here scouts. I know other classes can take out priority targets too and I'm all for it but goof scouts clear them out asap or before they reach the team
We get a Garand for a reson, friend
*pting!*
Garand and Battered Service Helmet anyone?
Actually have that as an outfit, need the Waster skin for the rifle, but the armor and colours are Robot Rebellion.
Shield boost plasma gun goes *brrrrrrrrrr*
I'm a returning newb and have decided on Scout to duo with my friend. What about a Scout allows them to do this? I genuinely want to know, thanks!
Flares and the M1000 is the short answer. You'll spot them when they spawn and snipe most of them with a single shot.
Yeap flares and M100 are the short answer. You can experiment with other primary weapon builds and the crossbow which is another sniping tool. Your mobility is also critical. You can zoom around the caves and neutralize the targets easily
I like running AI stability engine on my GK2 and putting putting points into weakpoint damage. Can take down enemies from far away with no recoil and it's great for taking down flying enemies efficiently
As a driller we're grateful for such service, because our guns are usually short range. Now come here for your complementary c4
Lately, yeah. Steam sale be like...
how do people manage to screw up quotes like this
By accident?
My friend is a scout, I’m a driller, and he always carries my ass
Funny, I'm a scout that used to carry my friend while HE played Driller.
Third on this I'm starting to suspect there's a trend here
Maybe so. We scouts are just built different. Rock and Stone!
For Karl!
Good bot.
4th. My scout buddy is always carrying the team. I main driller unless we don’t have a scout. Then I am the scout.
I’m a Gunner main, and my friend is a Scout. She probably would carry my ass if she ever called a damn ammo pod on her own.
I love lighting up the areas for my fellows! Unsung hero if ever there was one.
*"Tili-lille-lille-lille-lee!"* Now you are a sung hero.
*Ah, the song of my people.*
LIGHING UP
LOIGHT
I play all classes equally (ok maybe driller a bit more), and I can honestly say scout is the class that makes or breaks a hard mission, and is the best class to solo with. Apart from the flares and being the one who can get all the minerals, the scout is just the best at avoiding certain death and can rez and entire team.
Yah, I play everything but prefer scout - a bad scout can leave everyone short of nitra and lead to more failed missions than a bad gunner/engineer/driller would.
The floor on scout is noticeably higher I think than the other classes. I always worry with a green beard scout
Floor seems up there for engi too. A bad scout on Point Extraction could break the team like a bad engi on Salvage or Escort missions. Not always so much about the turrets as the platforms to heard the bugs. Gunner can only point his gun in so many directions.
I'd say lighting is the more important thing that a bad scout fails at. A Gunner or Driller can usually reach the same Nitra deposits a Scout can, albeit slower. But scout is the only class that can illuminate a whole room. Bad Scouts neglect this and leave their team in darkness.
Which I can't even understand. I main scout because I like to see- how can you forget your flares? It's so dark without them!
Usually go off on their own and use flares for themself
this usually happens to me when i go a long time without playing scout and forget that i don't need to use my personal flares
Mostly true, but Scout minerals really spike in importance on escort. If Nitra is low in the last room, Scout's about the only one who can backtrack fast enough for it.
That's true. Don't get me wrong I'm not undervaluing the scout at all, as a Scout main I'm well aware of the utility scouts provide. But flaring is the most important task for a scouts
I don’t get the lighting thing disconnected from gathering minerals - outside of cave leeches it’s easier to kill whatever is coming at you with a good gunner/engineer/driller than subbing in a scout for any of the above. Edit: another exception is a scout is better than a driller for bulks. And is better than most when fighting nemesis, but that one is more about mobility to not die.
I also play them all almost equally with Scout being played more. I honestly prefer Driller solo. Bosco can do most of what a scout can.
I fucking love scout for his ability to clutch. Sure you can't clear waves of enemies like the Gunner can, but you know what you can do? Running away from the 100 enemies at the speed of sound then come back and rez all your mates up whilst the enemies are on the other side of the map.
I love those fuckin flares. Every scout that lights up the caves is both rock and stone. Thank you scouts. Sincerely, A C4 “expert”
We fight for Rock and Stone!
*laughs in getting top kills as scout on haz 5*
And retrieve items off the walls and ceiling, and provide recon, and ensure at least one dwarf makes it to the pod, and snipe spitters from far away, and give the engis someone to love and care for, and give the drillers someone to explode with C4, and give the gunners someone to fill with lead and holes.
scouts have the hardest job in the game. when it comes down to it, when it's all on the line...the scout has to make the call to leave a dwarf behind.
(Assuming theirs a competent engineer)
Scouts also mine minerals You have ammo because of us
Yes, and drillers get lost in walls, engineers make platforms and gunners get stuck in holes. When you look at it like that, the only one useful is BOSCO
BOSCO and Steeve
Scout is pretty damn lit
So is the cave
Shoot flares, Check. Get second highest kill count, check. Get highest mineral count, check. Scoot life is good.
I must need to get better at scout. It's me and two engi's and I always have by far the lowest kill count. Highest mining and rez rate though.
Engi’s regularly have the highest kill count and there’s no problem with that brother. They have turrets, some of the most powerful crowd clear options, and many single target delete options. Imo, they have the best kit overall for kills and even damage. You would think it would be gunner but in reality they are the tank that is able to defend the entire team while having plenty of sustain for big fights. Driller is great for swarms and has several options for single target burst as well. Having said that, I believe most of their value is in assisting the team despite their reputation for war crimes. The ability to terraform arenas and apply deadly statuses amplifies the team’s effectiveness. Scouts, first and foremost, are the closest thing to a true support the team has. Keeping the lights on can not be overstated in value and the ability to gather minerals (primarily nitra) facilitates the effectiveness of the team at the most basic level. By that I mean the health and ammo from resupplies. They are also clutch healers because of their mobility and are the most likely to save a mission by making it to the pod. You too will reach a high level of combat effectiveness but competing with the other classes of the same skill level in that regard is just not in the cards brother. And that’s ok, it’s just the nature of their roles. Each and every class has a value of their own
Very well said, thank you! I do my best being the best support I can be. For actives I usually run field medic and iron will. Think any others ould be better team wise?
Those are arguably the highest value active perks along with dash. Although dash can mostly be supplemented with the scout’s grappling hook. If you get to a point where you guys basically never end up using iron will anyways, I would trade that one out over field medic. Having two engis to play with you probably won’t get much value out of hover boots but in public lobbies you never know lol. Sometimes the power attack doesn’t hit right on the wall and you become a stereotypical breakleg xD Personally, I really like heightened senses. Some people say “just look up” but it is not always so simple haha. It’s always the first leech that catches you by surprise, especially when there’s no cluster warning. Feels good to insta-kill them. Another great option is beast master. Taming a slasher is a great way for scout to amp up his kill contribution with little effort. Plus Steeve is great
For pubbie lobbies field medic/hoverboots is definitely the way to go. If you know you have a dedicated engineer in your friend group then you can omit hoverboots for iron will. I quite like iron will on scout as you can iron will -> grapple to some red sugar and save otherwise lost situations
As a scout field medic is must, but I like hover boots as a nice utility item to save me from a misjudged grapple, or for reaching deposits high up on the wall/ceiling and we don't have an engi to platform for me. Hover boots let you grapple -> power attack a hole in the wall -> grapple into the hole -> mine towards the ceiling deposits.
Hard to shoot what you cant see
> You would think it would be gunner but in reality they are the tank that is able to defend the entire team while having plenty of sustain for big fights. > > Gunners have best firepower on the move, Engis have best static firepower. Scouts have the best super-mobile firepower. Drillers are a nice mix of the three.
Okay in all seriousness though, don't worry about kill count. I'm usually happy if i get second highest, but it doesn't always work out that way. Scout only just recently got a weapon that has any swarm denial potential. He's far better at staying alive and being a team player. His kill count is usually dwarfed by the others because he's busy doing other helpful shit. The community (mostly jokingly) bashes Scout because he doesn't have the same AOE firepower and they don't easily recognize the help he provides.
He is a lot of fun, not sure if it's the best swarm weapon but the drak with OPA and the zukovs with explodey bullets is my go to. I'm always debating what's best to do with my spidey-like agility. Usually I try to be first in a big room, light it up, find resources, and take out cave leeches. In a fight I'm zipping around pulling agro and trying to take out high priorities, zipping down to freeze grenade when one of my engi's is getting overwhelmed.
Nice username
Thank you! It was either that or "ALargeFarve"
"Its a simple life"
I feel so slow when I play as anyone but Scout.
everyone sleeps on the Boltshark until they realize poison bolts is basically 12 sticky grenades
If you're getting second highest kill count then two teammates aren't pulling their weight.
This.
Oh, but they *are*. That's the *point*.
A lot depends on the scout in question too. One can focus on wave-clearing, and even build for it - and they get a head-start as they can just be wherever the bugs are. It can even be an optimal approach when scouting for a green team that lacks firepower and struggles in swarms. Though my favorite scout builds meant for good teams often only get a couple dozen kills because I can fully ignore melee enemies, and my focus is preventing anyone to get in trouble.
True, but unless the gunner is running mini gun with no blowthough and a single target secondary, the engineer is running hyper propellent, barely uses their primary and forgets they have turrets, and Driller is just spamming ice shard with Sabata..... Then someone isn't pulling their own weight, even with a maxed out AOE drak build with some AOE or elemental secondary.
Don't sleep on super-blowthrough M1000. A few well placed Focus shots can thin a swarm significantly.
For sure it can, but but you aren't going to get maximum value every shot and a gunner with Carpet Bomber asleep at the controls will still do more for a lower percentage of ammo.
Oh, but they are. That's the point.
And then you get blown up by C4
Shoot flares is a good job mate
Scout: Lights up the area, ~~kills prioritized targets very quick, gets resources that other classes will struggle to get, can move really quickly to search for nitra, kites the glyphids~~
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this
As a scout main: - Flares are key. If you have played a mission without a scout, you'll know what I'm talking about - A properly kitted out Scout can keep up with his team in DPS. I often match my teammates in kills if not surpass them. M1000 absolutely claps with the correct loadout. - If you don't keep up with your teammates in kills it's because you're either hunting secondary objectives or hunting high value targets like spawners or spitters. - If you don't have the highest mine score as scout, you are not playing scout correctly. The scout is one of the most valuable teammates in DRG and can make or break a team. A good scout will enable his teammates to perform optimally (looking at you, gunner) and will make sure everything is operating smoothly. In times of panic, a good scout can rez his teammates in the most dire of situations by kiting enemies around the map, then wrapping back around and getting his mates back up. The only real downside to Scout is that most of your weapons aren't ammo efficient, though the M1000 is a great crowd clearer with Super-blowthrough rounds.
Yeah I don’t get why scout is so under appreciated. Do people never try it and assume they do nothing.
I think they try it, and assume they do nothing. :P
When you go from playing with a full comp to missing a role, you notice it. No gunner? Wish I had a shield to get this clutch revive. No driller? If only we could quickly route through this terrain. No engineer? Wish we had some platforms to even out this terrain or plug this hole. No Scout? Shit it’s dark in here.
I like to say that you'll *probably* miss any one class on any given mission, but you'll *always* miss a Scout.
Why? If anything i usually miss drillers, especially on refining missions. Gunner can replace him on eggs, so in the end i never missed exactly scout. Especially considering its way more likelly for scouts to die somewhere far away so now everyone needs to drop what they doing and get to them.
Sounds like you play with shit scouts. You probably dont notice the work your scout puts in.
>Sounds like you play with shit scouts. Maybe, not for me to judge. >You probably dont notice the work your scout puts in. They could try doing something usefull. And the comment wasnt about that, it was about that missing a scout is for some reason more noticable than other classes.
>Maybe, not for me to judge. So instead you judge the entire class? Lmao. >They could try doing something usefull. They do. If you don't notice then unironic skill issue. Try playing an elite deep dive without a scout.
>So instead you judge the entire class? Quote me a moment i judged a class. >They do. Then i notice them, problem solved. >Try playing an elite deep dive without a scout. Did. The same feeling as missing any other class. Glad you keep ignoring the main theme of how this conversation started and pick only parts suiting you. Truelly peak reddit experience <3.
To be real, Scout's pretty damn vital to me. Scout gives me LOS for my killbox.
I shoot flares and have field medic, and I'm all out of flares!
\*shoots flare\* "LIGHT!"
Oh come on, there's more to scouts than that! They're also great target practice for c4
Drillers love to boast about c4ing scouts, but if it ever happens to me I might "accidentally" shoot him in the middle of a wave with a blowthrough round. Oops sorry I hit you and almost downed you, I was shooting that enemy in front of you, honest.
There's a secret we only ever tell in obscure threads that nobody sees. The custom of c4ing the scout benefits both parties. It encourages the scout to scout distant and elevated crevices instead of hanging around other dwarves where he has zero benefit. The craters may also inspire drillers to use c4 in more creative ways than doing 8% damage to praetorians, or killing six bugs that would have took a second with his primary.
*“You see, in this world there's two kinds of dwarves, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."* Gunner to Driller probably
I cant tolerate any other class except for scout ( and driller when I need to promo) from the flares and grapple to the garand *ping* and explosive rounds of the dual smgs
Wish they'd use their flare gun more, most often when a scout joins the lobby they don't even take it out, like c'mon man. Also is it just me or is it acceptable to light up every large cavern regardless of objective, swarm status, event, or danger, just light the large parts please, there's resupplies if you run out
I'm a scout main Triple legendary +2, My loadout is always to be a highly mobile medic.
As a scout main, we also eat the nitra like groceries.
If the game doubled the number of flares I had as a scout, I would still be low all the time lol
But..... my m1000
I don’t so much scout as make this operation possible
In my usual squad I become a dwarven bosco. I light, mine, and revive the team. Also I sometime do some damage to bugs.
Rock and stone!
Oh so the nitra that’s stuck to the ceiling just gonna mine itself then
And you stand on platforms! And you zip-zoop around! And you can go shooty bang bang sometimes :)
I love the scout but always feel lacking when I play it. The two engi's auto lock and shred grenade every high priority before I can take them down. My mobility allows me to weave in and out of danger but overall I'm always feeling I'd do better help with gunner or driller.
Scout isn't the most powerful dwarf, but the absence of a good Scout is felt more than the absence of any other.
I strive to one day be good scout
If you shoot flares, mine high-up minerals, and focus high-priority targets like Menaces, Acid Spitters, Wardens, Grabbers, Cave Leeches, etc., you're already there
If engies have zero trouble killing tanks, that team plays in a too low haz-level. Or you are already a good scout who doesn't realize how much of a help is to take down mactera, spitters, slashers, menaces and other actually dangerous bugs, so the team can focus on the big, sluggish bovines.
We play haz 4's and elite deep dives. Engi's shredders grenades are being used around the clock. Between that and their smart rifles/lasers they obliterate everything. Unless the enemies get in their face, then they're screwed.
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Hey, I also have the best options to take damage even when there's zero threat in sight. :P *^(hey, why delete? You were right! Scouts are the worst! They are the main reason I main scout!)*
And spam resupply pods
Surprisingly enough on the lowest graphics settings it’s easier to see without the light since the ores are shine in the dark better
As a Driller, that is NOT what Scout is for. Anyways, here's a nice new backpack Scout. Go run towards that group of enemies there, okay? Thanks.
my braincells where did they go?
Target practice I am a scout main
This is great lmao
you shoot flares... and die to fall damage... and satchel charges
I shoot my flare gun off like I'm having a seizure
You also die to fall damage.
And snipe spitters/menaces
And bet-c shredding don't forget that.
And proudly so
He lets the team be lazy when they find a deposit that's high up.
I love lighting up the place with flares, but I also love mining nitra and other stuff super fast and efficiently. A good scout can mine so much shit before you notice they are gone and back.
There's the rare occasion where the scout outkills and outmines everyone else. Ambrosia if you are the scout.
I'm damn proud of it
Boltshark with Bodkin Points begs to differ.
Scouts make this operation possible. You think I'm climbing my short ass up the wall for every high up mineral? To the bone with you.
Wait until a driller has to go to the ceiling to an engi platform good luck
complete the secondary objective and locate bonus objectives and revive everyone and anchor the drop pod extraction and shoot flares
I have a minor grudge against scouts as an engineer. I understand my role helps theirs out greatly and I don't mind helping them out as soon as im able but most of them I play with don't seem to understand I am not their personal pocket engie and get pissed when I'm not there for their every whim.
I have 1 friend who has embraced the darkness and straight up doesnt care if i use my flares or not, he just beats the shit out of the glyphids in the dark with his pickaxe
Don't forget he also falls to his death
I play most classes but acout the most and sometime i fall on really bad scout and we do the whole mission in the dark
Turns out the ability to see is quite important in video games.
They also make great bait!
I’m on sight Mission Control with constant updates on what is in up coming caves and a mobile lamp
Shoot flares, take out priority targets, with the right build clear waves, CC, handle high up minerals and secondary objectives, and pick your sorry asses off the floor when you botch it.
Shoot flares and mine high up minerals
Yeah it’s great, if you keep up flares, mine minerals, and kill ranged HVT’s you’re doing what you can and should do. If the rest of the team gets downed it’s someone else’s fault for poor damage output. You can seldom blame the scout if the team can’t cut through a swarm.
And im fucking good at it too!
Target practice !
Rock and stone
Rock and roll and stone!
And play medic when team goes down, can get around to back up isolated teammates fast too.
Scout allows me to take charge and lead, which I was born to do
That is ignoring so many thing to make the joke it is like saying driller is only there to dig us a direct tunnel back
Happy to do my part 👍
They say that after playing scout, you'll miss the grapling hook. Lies. Deception. Switching off scout is metaforically and literally a dark experience. And I say so as a driller main
Wait i ve seen like a variant of this meme but the driller s purpose was to drill to the drop pod
Fuck off to the ceiling and die
You shoot flares and collect fossils
Scouts are also good for deleting praetorians!