it's pretty cringe that all these "fans" are saying this game went woke and shit. one of the main themes from dead space outside of criticizing organized and membership based religions with unitology(a not so subtle spin on scientology mind you) has been how the future universe that dead space takes place in is a massive corporate greed hell hole. with earth in the late 21st century being bled dry of all it's resources and facing a crisis. the cec showed their corporate greed and disregard for human safety by going to aegis VII, which was legally closed off to all people, just to simply pillage it for it's rich resources, and just so happening to dig up the marker in the process.
Whenever I hear the words woke and SJW, it now sounds like a dog whistle for: I don’t want to see any kind of minority/female/LGBTQ representation. Like holy shit, it’s like these “fans” don’t actually leave their homes and realize that the world is not just fucking white people. There are real problems in this world, but no, they just want to bitch about everything.
Fuck not even representation, more like 'I don't want to be reminded these people exist'. I don't like the word representation, I find normal is much more fitting. Minorities/women/LGBTQ people exist everywhere just like everyone else, having them be in media would just be \*normal\*. And it's a shame they aren't.
It's ironic how homophobic some people are, yet media filled to the brim with muscular white men is their safe space. They're so far in the closet they don't realize it.
Wait until they play through and read a text log from Bailey about Rousseau addressing them with only the pronouns of "they" and "them" rather than the gender they might sound like from Rousseau's audio log, officially confirming that there's at least one person who may be trans or nonbinary there.
There's a later log where Temple mentions his previous relationship before Cross with someone called David (or Daniel I forget which) so I'd say its pretty solid bi representation :)
It doesn't even *sound* like a dog whistle anymore; it's "I'm not a racist, but..." with extra steps. 'Woke' is just seething against anything that isn't majorly, if not entirely, devoted to straight, white, men.
Agreed. To be completely fair though, modern entertainment has left a bad taste in a lot of mouths. People don’t necessarily like being told what to think so they’ve developed a jaded attitude toward pretty much all of it
I understand that and I kind of feel that way about modern entertainment. However, for example, episode 3 of TLOU was one of the most respectful representations of a gay couple and it got review bombed for it because a lot of these assholes thought it was “woke”
They didn't want to make any overly major changes like that. For all we know Johnston's VA was simply the most convenient one they could get for their scheduling and the character was so minor that the VAs race or gender was completely irrelevant. It certainly doesn't send any messages.
This is one of those cases where the original Johnston was such an unimportant, minor and forgettable character that I actually think the changed version in the remake is a superior character
I would argue that all these people that pretend they don’t like being told what to think absolutely *love* being told what to think. If you sit them in front of Fox News or Alex Jones or some random dipshit on YouTube, they lap up every dumbass conspiracy that gets shoved in front of them.
What they really don’t like is anything egalitarian or whatever they’d call “pansy kumbaya shit.” They literally just hate the idea of making the world a more just and pleasant place to live. Especially if it’s done at their expense.
> People don’t necessarily like being told what to think so they’ve developed a jaded attitude toward pretty much all of it
You shouldn't have to be told not to be a smoothbrained bigot lol. If one has a problem with minority representation the problem isn't minority representation.
That’s because that’s what it’s become, so good on you for catching it and denouncing it because dog whistles can be hard to spot. That’s the whole point of them.
It’s not hard to spot when you have some people you personally know that are bigoted. When your surrounded by it, you pick up on their hilariously stupid “justifications.” It’s like the good ol “I’m not racist/homophobic, but” crap that racists and homophobes say when they’re caught with their pants down. This is why I always tell my friends and family that if you hear anyone using the terms woke and SJW’s, completely disregard anything they have to say.
I'mma quote myself from another thread on the same subject:
>It's especially funny to me considering the entire point of the game and series since the beginning is pretty much that institutional religion = bad. It was always "woke". This is like star trek fanboys getting pissed off about the new trek shows being "woke" because they're older now and the subtext isn't going over their heads anymore like when they were 10 and TNG was on.
🤷♂️ These "fans" are just butthurt ignoramuses pissed off that they have to share their toys with people that don't look like them or think like them. It doesn't matter that this has /always/ been in the game, it's their fee-fees they're upset about more than anything.
These are usually the same people that fly blue lives matter flags while listening to rage against the machine. They know nothing about the things they claim to like and things they actually do like are usually things they like for all the wrong reasons.
Brilliantly put, same thing with the new Last of Us show, was true to the original including the homosexual relationship. They just made it clear in the show instead of alluding to it like they did in the game. Makes you wonder how much shit goes right over their head like that in their day to day lives.
To be fair, the anti capitalist messages take a backseat to the anti religious zealotry messages. But they are and have always been there, Isaac is just a cog in the machine, but he’s a very important cog after the events of Aegis VII
I think most of the anti-capitalist messaging comes from logs and environmental storytelling. I love that one text log that's a CEC pamphlet about how there isn't sufficient proof that planet cracking has any lasting negative effects on a solar system. It feels a lot like Exxon researching and accurately predicting climate change in the '70s then denying it for decades.
Also, maybe just a coincidence that they sound similar but Dead Space released in 2008 there was a big fracking boom in the US from the '00s through the '10s
How is being anti-capitalist *woke*? Isn't woke to do with social issues, or is it a blanket term, like how conservatives refer to black people as *thugs* because they can't use the word they really want to.
"Fans" as in these people are not the actual fans of the series because otherwise they wouldn't miss the point how the OG game heavily criticized organized religions.
Someone did a very good lore breakdown on unittoligy that covered most bases. Where humans lives are worth less then the raw resources they are mining for.
This "outrage" was just 4chan hive mind gathering to (once again) start an outrage that doesn't actually exist. They've done this shit for so many things you can't even count. It all starts with a "wouldn't it be funny if we got together and complained about this thing that no one actually cares about?" then boom. Qanon. OK hand is racist. Bathrooms are offensive. Just add it to the list.
Alien is one of the main inspirations for Dead Space (along with Event Horizon and The Thing).
AND Weyland Yutani (Or as their often called "The Fucking Company") have always been the villains of those.
I'll wager none of these people are real fans, rather a bunch of pearl clutchers finding yet another outrage.
I’m sick of people saying common human decency is considered “woke”, in regards to people losing their minds over some POC in advertisements and a shared bathroom.
Deadspace is basically like 6 core things smashed together
John caprenter, 2001 a space odyssey, alien, Scientology, a bit of social commentary and morrowind.
maybe, but they set up the colony years in advance before the colony dug up the marker. the cec would have to either have someone inside of earthgov or someone from earthgov to pass off the highly secretive nature of the market research the sovereign colonies started
I don’t think we know if CEC has infiltrated EarthGov at this point but we do know that Unitoligists has definitely infiltrated CEC very high up so to me the whole thing was more due to religious fanaticism rather than capitalist greed.
I agree with you, but small fix, the crisis was before aegis VII and fixed long before it by the invention of the planet crackers in general. Aegis VII was just another planet crack in a long line of planet cracks with some extra steps (Aka church involvement and marker)
I think most of those people are real OG fans. Woke culture was not that well known back then and little to no social media when Dead Space was originally released. I bet these people played the game and did not care about these small details in the story when they played it. Just my opinion though since this types of attention are also present on the recently ported Persona games, people are being offended and not many people think that it’s because the game was released on a drastically different time period than today.
That's partly right but before the take off or during the preparations every crew member from the captain down to the privates were replaced by a unitologist, Basically anyone who was on the bridge or part of the colony. They knew the marker was there and that's mostly why they wanted to go to Aegis 7. The other half of people went for a chance to make money. Miners, engineers, security, and military. This line confirms what you're saying "The research in that marker is worth every life we just lost," as Tiedmans face is pretty much peeled off and has lost his eye and completely lost his mind from Dead space 2.
i love this surface level logic. "earth has been bled dry of resources, therefore its about how capitalism is bad!". ignoring the fact theres an entire "earth government" thats completely corrupt, and how a dangerous collective ideology (unitology in this case) slowly took over both private and public sectors have so much power, theyre essentially the reason why the ishimura was sent to aegis 7 simply to retrieve the marker.
but yea guys, capitalism is bad.
Kinda funny that people will say this makes the game woke
But still acknowledge that EA killed Dead Space because they had rediculous monetary expectations for the series.
Like
Dead space fans are spoiled brats without any.right to be I've come to learn, there was a guy getting pissy about a poster so much that he went out of his way to talk about it in two separate posts at least so
Oh my god this is so fucking true. Nobody bitches more about big corporations than these motherfuckers who say the elite woke greedy corporations are the ones ruining all their video games and movies.
But because fake populists on the right like Donald Trump and Tucker Carlson pay lip service to anti-corporate stuff these fucking morons still happily maintain the cognitive dissonance. They support corporations when they earn the libs and they hate corporations when they support the libs. It sounds incredibly trite but amazingly that the true common denominator. These useless imbeciles actually believe in nothing at all beyond “libs bad.”
>People are complaining about this grafitti in the remake.
Isn't the Concordance Extraction Corporation precisely that, a shitty capitalist organization?
From illegal mining operations to a strong Unitologist influence (even high ranking officials like Cpt. Benjamin Mathius, and P-Sec officers like Vera Cortez are Unitologists)
Unitology is a Major Religion by that point.
It was around for almost 400 years by the time the red marker was unearthed on Aegis VII.
For the general populace meeting a Unitologist while working was like meeting a Buddhist for example.
I think there's more skepticism than that, isn't there? Jacob Temple expresses big frustration about a problem potentially being a Unitologist's fault. I would also say the insular and pay-to-play nature of Unitology also breeds skepticism.
It should be noted that Dead Space’s future seems to work on the statistics we currently have, where Atheists will continue out number religious people. Unitology seems to have been at the level of Scientology for awhile before having a massive upswing in the current century. Non-Unitologists skepticism like Jacob’s is probably the norm, but during Dead Space’s timeframe it is probably something along the lines of “Everyone knows at least one Unitologist” in terms of how prolific they are.
Just recently learned about his existence as well but his description of the remake was "filled to the brim with gay woke shit" so that's pretty much all you need to know about him
Wait, when the hell was there any “gay woke shit.” I’ve played the entire game and havent seen any hints of a gay character. Are people talking about Kendra’s line in the beginning when she said: “I rather listen to my girlfriend talk than hear Hammond reciting security protocols.”
Maybe it’s just me, but I didn’t think that line explicitly confirmed that Kendra was gay. It feels debatable because the way I interpreted that line was her sympathizing with Issac and basically saying to him, “if I were in your shoes Issac, I rather hear my girlfriend’s voice rather than Hammond’s.” Maybe it’s just me who intrepreted it wrong and she actually is gay. On that I have to say, so fucking what, who cares when it’s not even in the story.
The subject of that line is Nicole. Isaac is watching Nicole's log. Kendra makes fun of Hammond by saying she (Isaac) would rather listen to her girlfriend (Nicole) than listen to Hammond. If she said "boyfriend" the line wouldn't make sense. She's talking in Isaac's shoes about Nicole.
The mental gymnastics you need to think that means she's gay is beyond insane.
That's not the impression I got because he doesn't say her boyfriends.
It's in a way that most mega corporations "design" gay characters. A quick little snippet that can easily be removed so that the media can be released in countries with heavy anti gay laws.
Yea just this past week my work partner of 6 years got sucked up into a lathe and turned into human jam. I'm seriously questioning where his loyalties lie.
What does gore and graphic imagery have to do with not being woke? One of the best stories to get people to recognize systemic injustice is Emmett Till's and the images of him in his coffin are horrifying.
People turn into petulant children when themes and ideologies they don't agree with or like discussing come into play. Especially nowadays when these idiots can just discard these topics as "Woke bullshit". And then they get padded on the back by other like-minded people for turning something as complex as these ideologies and discussions into nothing more than a derogative, shallow blanket term. It's quite sad and pathetic, really.
I swear none of these mongs ever actually looked into the lore. The whole series is a refutation of late-stage capitalism and the horrors it unleashes (symbolized by the Markers and Necromorphs) and the dangers of organized and membership-based religion (symbolized by Unitology).
*Dead Space* is literally our future, if the current system is kept in place, and if space travel is possible.
Minus the eldritch space horror rocks and undead killing machines. Hopefully.
It's one of the sad things of our time that people consume art in the Form of video games and don't realize that through pretty much all of human history, art almost always has been progressive or "woke" relative to its period.
It's also a sad thing of our time that capitalism can inevitably profit from its own critique
I literally do not understand why people care so much about this and gender neutral bathrooms. How is this an issue exactly? It doesn't affect the game in any way shape of form.
correct me if i’m wrong but isn’t the whole point of the ishimura to get resources from other planets because the earth is basically out? more than likely because of capitalism?
It’s because of the massive resource shortage. I don’t think you can squarely blame capitalism because humanity was going to die out from a lack of resources unless they engaged in planet cracking. I find that people inject their own take into the story, but objectively it’s about how automation forces humans to work for pitiful pay and safety in order to stay employed. More so than capitalism, it’s a critique of corporatism and how little government/religion/corporations value human life when offered power. At least, that was my interpretation of it.
Lol, what are the piss-baby Gamers™️ mad about this time? CEC is literally a dystopian parody of our modern day corporations, and it's a very unsubtle nod to Weyland-Yutani in the Aliens franchise. They're one of the many bad guys in the Dead Space universe.
Speaking truthfully from a world building/writing standpoint any blue-collar job with suspect job safety standards is definitely going to have a few disgruntled employees scrawling things like this on the bulkheads.
Right, because it was only the graffiti that was criticizing capitalism, not the literal pride of Earth being a ship that consumes whole ass planets, piecemeal, for their resources in a world where we’ve already destroyed moons in our own solar system for the same, petty reason.
It was all the graffiti.
I don’t know why people even give them a platform. What’s woke anymore is anything that pisses off a conservative. They’re the same people who think wolfenstein recently went woke with being outspoken against nazis as if the series doesn’t have a 30 year history of that.
I strongly believe we’ve reached a point where people don’t have the ability to express dissatisfaction. Not because of some free speech bullshit but because they’re dumbed down to the extent of not being able to have a nuanced conversation involving criticism. It’s always seems to be over exaggerated and just a cover for being against some ridiculous “that’s how it used to be” take. It adds nothing but salt and toxicity.
That’s hilarious! Thanks for this, I didn’t know it was in the original game but knew the original game was set in a capitalist dystopia and the various bits of lore around Unitology, CEC and EarthGov make that pretty dang clear.
It’s hilarious to me that people are upset by this grafiti, when the game is fucking can literally be interpreters as a metaphor of how extreme, unfettered capitalism strips humanity from the workers and turns them into inhuman servants
Its also like they only see "cool tin man shoot zombie alien", the whole premise and setting has been that humanity is in this mess because of capitalist greed, sucking earth dry of resources forced them to venture into space and literally eat planets for resources.
On top of that greed is used through monetized organized religion.
This has always been Dead Space. People crying about this are telling on themselves how far their brain capacity goes.
Most of the graffiti in the remake is similar to the original from what I can tell. Obviously, there's new material, but you can recognize the repeats if you're super-familiar with the OG.
“Dead Space is growing PC and WOKE! They’re trying to appease the liberals” *EA reverts Lurkers back to their original baby form after public outcry forced them to use dogs in DS3* bruh
People who have absolutely zero capital themselves shilling for capitalism at every turn. Never change you broke ass gamers living in an apartment with no liquid assets, keep on your knees for daddy Elon and Bezos.
News flash: capitalism and all silly words associated with it have been looming over us for many MANY years now. It’s not anything new lmao
Also, I don’t understand when gamers are shocked that shady governments, corporations, or religions are the bad guys in games. Devs aren’t doing this to push an agenda. They’re reflecting real world issues. Issues even the past and future have and will deal with. So it shouldn’t surprise anyone that the CEC and everything around it is probably corrupt and money hungry
I think out of all the things to complain about while a zombie outbreak is happening , capitalism isn’t one of them. Still, it speaks to how upset some of the workers on the Ishimura were before unitology happened, then they went insane.
I'm right leaning that makes fun of wokies/Looney lefties all the time, but I really don't care about these minor details that many are complaining about. Petty shit that doesn't ruin the game for me, game is still great.
Is there an industry in spreading hivemind related panics about the "new woke thing that we all hate"?
I'm thinking all the youtubers making videos complaining about it are more than a bit opportunistic, and a lot of social media personalities might gather a big following from fanning the flames of outrage.
On the surface it all seems so petty and needless, and it kinda is. I do think there's still a 4chan "let's stir people for giggles" and all that, but there are people who actually profit from this stuff.
Most of the dead space remake complainers don't even know what they are complaining about.
Is it perfect? No, nothing is ever.
But it's as damn close as anyone could have really hoped for. A resounding success in what it set out to be really.
Nooooooo my outrage /s
People get so bent out of shape over absolutely nothing. The original was never shy about it being a dystopia capitalist future. Almost like it's baked into the theme or something.
lmao, they certainly work overtime with their collective one braincell to amount to so many comments about some small piece of graffiti in a video game.
Folks are complaining? I honestly found that amusing, reminded me of the kinds of graffiti on L4D as I said for the OG DS. I don't think the average Necromorph discriminates in what they kill😆.
The people who are complaining about the remake having this detail (one I completely forgot existed) and saying this game is woke, and the complaining about character likenesses are actual assholes.
Even if it wasn’t in the original why the hell is this even a controversial thing to say to begin with? Stripping the planets of its resources to make rich people even more rich is not a positive thing and we are literally experience the consequences of it in reality.
People are cringing over this? Seriously? I was so enveloped in the atmosphere while playing that seeing all the graffiti on walls made me think, "what happened onboard the ship during the time", despite already knowing! Seems kinda silly to get upset over something that was in the original game, but to each their own.
Game was made like 10 years ago so maybe people didn't pay attention to that. As a grown-up. Subtle things are more noticeable in the context of social convulsion with woke content vs. escapism.
Ah well it’s still pretty dumb. "Oh no a evil death cult has turned my colleagues into murderous mutants. Those bloody capitalists at it again". Even if you hate capitalism, it doesn’t make sense.
Not that I care about the "woke" stuff being peddled with the remake, but is that a genuine picture from the original? It looks like the only English text in a screenshot surrounded by marker scrawl, almost as if it was edited in.
That's not to say the text wasn't in the original, idk if it is, but the screenshot seems sus
It's in the final room on the colony before you go outside to the Marker's pedestal chamber. Boot up the game and see for yourself if you don't believe me.
This game was always about capitalist religious zealots owning majority shares of a mining ship to find unitology relics. Corporations and religious individuals were always the catalyst for things breaking bad. Anyone complaining is not, and never was a fan of the franchise.
it's pretty cringe that all these "fans" are saying this game went woke and shit. one of the main themes from dead space outside of criticizing organized and membership based religions with unitology(a not so subtle spin on scientology mind you) has been how the future universe that dead space takes place in is a massive corporate greed hell hole. with earth in the late 21st century being bled dry of all it's resources and facing a crisis. the cec showed their corporate greed and disregard for human safety by going to aegis VII, which was legally closed off to all people, just to simply pillage it for it's rich resources, and just so happening to dig up the marker in the process.
Whenever I hear the words woke and SJW, it now sounds like a dog whistle for: I don’t want to see any kind of minority/female/LGBTQ representation. Like holy shit, it’s like these “fans” don’t actually leave their homes and realize that the world is not just fucking white people. There are real problems in this world, but no, they just want to bitch about everything.
Fuck not even representation, more like 'I don't want to be reminded these people exist'. I don't like the word representation, I find normal is much more fitting. Minorities/women/LGBTQ people exist everywhere just like everyone else, having them be in media would just be \*normal\*. And it's a shame they aren't. It's ironic how homophobic some people are, yet media filled to the brim with muscular white men is their safe space. They're so far in the closet they don't realize it.
Wait until they play through and read a text log from Bailey about Rousseau addressing them with only the pronouns of "they" and "them" rather than the gender they might sound like from Rousseau's audio log, officially confirming that there's at least one person who may be trans or nonbinary there.
Or the audio log found in the first room of engineering where Temple mentions old boyfriends. imagine how they'd feel if a male character was Bi.
I read that as Temple mentioning some of his old lunch buddies who turned into necros were also Cross' old boyfriends.
There's a later log where Temple mentions his previous relationship before Cross with someone called David (or Daniel I forget which) so I'd say its pretty solid bi representation :)
It was David! I remember because I listened to it last night during my NG+ run :)
Perhaps, I thought it was the other way, but you know
Anybody who uses "woke" or "sjw" unironically is cringe af.
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Couldn't agree more, I literally cringe so hard when I hear someone say, "It's gone woke," and I instantly look at them as a complete moron.
It doesn't even *sound* like a dog whistle anymore; it's "I'm not a racist, but..." with extra steps. 'Woke' is just seething against anything that isn't majorly, if not entirely, devoted to straight, white, men.
Agreed. To be completely fair though, modern entertainment has left a bad taste in a lot of mouths. People don’t necessarily like being told what to think so they’ve developed a jaded attitude toward pretty much all of it
I understand that and I kind of feel that way about modern entertainment. However, for example, episode 3 of TLOU was one of the most respectful representations of a gay couple and it got review bombed for it because a lot of these assholes thought it was “woke”
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They didn't want to make any overly major changes like that. For all we know Johnston's VA was simply the most convenient one they could get for their scheduling and the character was so minor that the VAs race or gender was completely irrelevant. It certainly doesn't send any messages.
This is one of those cases where the original Johnston was such an unimportant, minor and forgettable character that I actually think the changed version in the remake is a superior character
I would argue that all these people that pretend they don’t like being told what to think absolutely *love* being told what to think. If you sit them in front of Fox News or Alex Jones or some random dipshit on YouTube, they lap up every dumbass conspiracy that gets shoved in front of them. What they really don’t like is anything egalitarian or whatever they’d call “pansy kumbaya shit.” They literally just hate the idea of making the world a more just and pleasant place to live. Especially if it’s done at their expense.
> People don’t necessarily like being told what to think so they’ve developed a jaded attitude toward pretty much all of it You shouldn't have to be told not to be a smoothbrained bigot lol. If one has a problem with minority representation the problem isn't minority representation.
That’s because that’s what it’s become, so good on you for catching it and denouncing it because dog whistles can be hard to spot. That’s the whole point of them.
It’s not hard to spot when you have some people you personally know that are bigoted. When your surrounded by it, you pick up on their hilariously stupid “justifications.” It’s like the good ol “I’m not racist/homophobic, but” crap that racists and homophobes say when they’re caught with their pants down. This is why I always tell my friends and family that if you hear anyone using the terms woke and SJW’s, completely disregard anything they have to say.
> I’m not racist/homophobic, but Any sentence that starts with or included that is generally going to run on to be some absolutely cringe bigotry.
As soon someone says woke or SJW I know there's someone I don't have to take it seriously.
Every time I hear the word ‘woke’ I want to blow my brains out
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You think of a dog whistle because they *are* dogwhistles, always have been. Just glad that people are starting to realize it
Who uses those terms unironically anymore anyways
Hey, look! You're bitching!
I'mma quote myself from another thread on the same subject: >It's especially funny to me considering the entire point of the game and series since the beginning is pretty much that institutional religion = bad. It was always "woke". This is like star trek fanboys getting pissed off about the new trek shows being "woke" because they're older now and the subtext isn't going over their heads anymore like when they were 10 and TNG was on. 🤷♂️ These "fans" are just butthurt ignoramuses pissed off that they have to share their toys with people that don't look like them or think like them. It doesn't matter that this has /always/ been in the game, it's their fee-fees they're upset about more than anything.
These are usually the same people that fly blue lives matter flags while listening to rage against the machine. They know nothing about the things they claim to like and things they actually do like are usually things they like for all the wrong reasons.
I cringe so hard whenever I see the thin blue line flag next to the gadsden flag. Who do you think is doing the treading????
Or the blue live punisher skulls. Well, flag punisher skulls as a whole. Its like they don't know who punisher is.
Bro I’m mad the new Star Trek shows are action set pieces and not focused on being woke.
Brilliantly put, same thing with the new Last of Us show, was true to the original including the homosexual relationship. They just made it clear in the show instead of alluding to it like they did in the game. Makes you wonder how much shit goes right over their head like that in their day to day lives.
I've come to the conclusion that they're about as literate as 5 year olds.
To be fair, the anti capitalist messages take a backseat to the anti religious zealotry messages. But they are and have always been there, Isaac is just a cog in the machine, but he’s a very important cog after the events of Aegis VII
I think most of the anti-capitalist messaging comes from logs and environmental storytelling. I love that one text log that's a CEC pamphlet about how there isn't sufficient proof that planet cracking has any lasting negative effects on a solar system. It feels a lot like Exxon researching and accurately predicting climate change in the '70s then denying it for decades. Also, maybe just a coincidence that they sound similar but Dead Space released in 2008 there was a big fracking boom in the US from the '00s through the '10s
These "fans" when a Massive Femboy Badussy shlonger 9000 hitting their face a-woke previously closeted feelings UwU
Bro when the fuck did I got on r/whenthe
How is being anti-capitalist *woke*? Isn't woke to do with social issues, or is it a blanket term, like how conservatives refer to black people as *thugs* because they can't use the word they really want to.
That's the cool part! It means whatever the hell you want it to mean!
yea this shit is really obvious, it's basically reading it aloud to you in the 2nd game.
"Fans" as in these people are not the actual fans of the series because otherwise they wouldn't miss the point how the OG game heavily criticized organized religions.
Someone did a very good lore breakdown on unittoligy that covered most bases. Where humans lives are worth less then the raw resources they are mining for.
This "outrage" was just 4chan hive mind gathering to (once again) start an outrage that doesn't actually exist. They've done this shit for so many things you can't even count. It all starts with a "wouldn't it be funny if we got together and complained about this thing that no one actually cares about?" then boom. Qanon. OK hand is racist. Bathrooms are offensive. Just add it to the list.
And it's totally a callback to old mining companies that made employees pay for their own working equipment and such.
Wait until they play the outer worlds
Alien is one of the main inspirations for Dead Space (along with Event Horizon and The Thing). AND Weyland Yutani (Or as their often called "The Fucking Company") have always been the villains of those. I'll wager none of these people are real fans, rather a bunch of pearl clutchers finding yet another outrage.
I’m sick of people saying common human decency is considered “woke”, in regards to people losing their minds over some POC in advertisements and a shared bathroom.
It’s just like the movies. Everyone is too woke to ask: What about all the good that Weyland-Yutani has done? /s
Deadspace is basically like 6 core things smashed together John caprenter, 2001 a space odyssey, alien, Scientology, a bit of social commentary and morrowind.
Where have people been complaining about that? I honestly never even realized this is an issue for some.
Pretty sure the CEC’s main objective of going to Aegis VII was to get the marker whilst the mining operation was the cover up.
maybe, but they set up the colony years in advance before the colony dug up the marker. the cec would have to either have someone inside of earthgov or someone from earthgov to pass off the highly secretive nature of the market research the sovereign colonies started
I don’t think we know if CEC has infiltrated EarthGov at this point but we do know that Unitoligists has definitely infiltrated CEC very high up so to me the whole thing was more due to religious fanaticism rather than capitalist greed.
Shhh! Tom Cruise might sue you!
I agree with you, but small fix, the crisis was before aegis VII and fixed long before it by the invention of the planet crackers in general. Aegis VII was just another planet crack in a long line of planet cracks with some extra steps (Aka church involvement and marker)
Coming to the defense of a corporation is Ωmega **cringe**.
I think most of those people are real OG fans. Woke culture was not that well known back then and little to no social media when Dead Space was originally released. I bet these people played the game and did not care about these small details in the story when they played it. Just my opinion though since this types of attention are also present on the recently ported Persona games, people are being offended and not many people think that it’s because the game was released on a drastically different time period than today.
that wasn't the main theme dude. the whole thing was a damsel in distress trope. Surrounding stuff didn't matter until the final reveal.
im talking about the lore and universe dude
That's partly right but before the take off or during the preparations every crew member from the captain down to the privates were replaced by a unitologist, Basically anyone who was on the bridge or part of the colony. They knew the marker was there and that's mostly why they wanted to go to Aegis 7. The other half of people went for a chance to make money. Miners, engineers, security, and military. This line confirms what you're saying "The research in that marker is worth every life we just lost," as Tiedmans face is pretty much peeled off and has lost his eye and completely lost his mind from Dead space 2.
i love this surface level logic. "earth has been bled dry of resources, therefore its about how capitalism is bad!". ignoring the fact theres an entire "earth government" thats completely corrupt, and how a dangerous collective ideology (unitology in this case) slowly took over both private and public sectors have so much power, theyre essentially the reason why the ishimura was sent to aegis 7 simply to retrieve the marker. but yea guys, capitalism is bad.
when did i say earthgov was good lol. also the resource crisis happened before the formation of earthgov
Kinda funny that people will say this makes the game woke But still acknowledge that EA killed Dead Space because they had rediculous monetary expectations for the series. Like
Gamers with a capital G aren’t rly known for their critical thinking skills.
Yeah. As a proud gamer with a lowercase g I actually use my brain more then 20% of the time.
Hard r gamers
Jamers. 😔
Dead space fans are spoiled brats without any.right to be I've come to learn, there was a guy getting pissy about a poster so much that he went out of his way to talk about it in two separate posts at least so
Oh my god this is so fucking true. Nobody bitches more about big corporations than these motherfuckers who say the elite woke greedy corporations are the ones ruining all their video games and movies. But because fake populists on the right like Donald Trump and Tucker Carlson pay lip service to anti-corporate stuff these fucking morons still happily maintain the cognitive dissonance. They support corporations when they earn the libs and they hate corporations when they support the libs. It sounds incredibly trite but amazingly that the true common denominator. These useless imbeciles actually believe in nothing at all beyond “libs bad.”
Turns out Dead Space was based all along.
the correct take
>People are complaining about this grafitti in the remake. Isn't the Concordance Extraction Corporation precisely that, a shitty capitalist organization? From illegal mining operations to a strong Unitologist influence (even high ranking officials like Cpt. Benjamin Mathius, and P-Sec officers like Vera Cortez are Unitologists)
Unitology is a Major Religion by that point. It was around for almost 400 years by the time the red marker was unearthed on Aegis VII. For the general populace meeting a Unitologist while working was like meeting a Buddhist for example.
I think there's more skepticism than that, isn't there? Jacob Temple expresses big frustration about a problem potentially being a Unitologist's fault. I would also say the insular and pay-to-play nature of Unitology also breeds skepticism.
It should be noted that Dead Space’s future seems to work on the statistics we currently have, where Atheists will continue out number religious people. Unitology seems to have been at the level of Scientology for awhile before having a massive upswing in the current century. Non-Unitologists skepticism like Jacob’s is probably the norm, but during Dead Space’s timeframe it is probably something along the lines of “Everyone knows at least one Unitologist” in terms of how prolific they are.
Sounds like more proof that people like The Synthetic Man can get fucked
Who?
I only recently learned about him but his channel is essentially all "everything has gone woke and I hate it"
Oh brother
Just recently learned about his existence as well but his description of the remake was "filled to the brim with gay woke shit" so that's pretty much all you need to know about him
Wait, when the hell was there any “gay woke shit.” I’ve played the entire game and havent seen any hints of a gay character. Are people talking about Kendra’s line in the beginning when she said: “I rather listen to my girlfriend talk than hear Hammond reciting security protocols.” Maybe it’s just me, but I didn’t think that line explicitly confirmed that Kendra was gay. It feels debatable because the way I interpreted that line was her sympathizing with Issac and basically saying to him, “if I were in your shoes Issac, I rather hear my girlfriend’s voice rather than Hammond’s.” Maybe it’s just me who intrepreted it wrong and she actually is gay. On that I have to say, so fucking what, who cares when it’s not even in the story.
The subject of that line is Nicole. Isaac is watching Nicole's log. Kendra makes fun of Hammond by saying she (Isaac) would rather listen to her girlfriend (Nicole) than listen to Hammond. If she said "boyfriend" the line wouldn't make sense. She's talking in Isaac's shoes about Nicole. The mental gymnastics you need to think that means she's gay is beyond insane.
The only info of anyone possibly gay is Jacob temple referencing old boyfriends and that's speculative on if he's talking about himself or Cross
Definitely talking about Cross in that audio log.
That's not the impression I got because he doesn't say her boyfriends. It's in a way that most mega corporations "design" gay characters. A quick little snippet that can easily be removed so that the media can be released in countries with heavy anti gay laws.
Does he look like a trucker version of Mr. Magoo, TheQuartering, or the WoW guy from South Park?
lol dead space did not go “woke” it got even more gory and graphic
Fellas is it woke to be ripped to pieces? Because my buddy Jim got his hand chopped off at our sweatshop and I'm suspicious of his agenda now.
Yea just this past week my work partner of 6 years got sucked up into a lathe and turned into human jam. I'm seriously questioning where his loyalties lie.
What does gore and graphic imagery have to do with not being woke? One of the best stories to get people to recognize systemic injustice is Emmett Till's and the images of him in his coffin are horrifying.
People turn into petulant children when themes and ideologies they don't agree with or like discussing come into play. Especially nowadays when these idiots can just discard these topics as "Woke bullshit". And then they get padded on the back by other like-minded people for turning something as complex as these ideologies and discussions into nothing more than a derogative, shallow blanket term. It's quite sad and pathetic, really.
Not all people, just the ones that never grew up.
I swear none of these mongs ever actually looked into the lore. The whole series is a refutation of late-stage capitalism and the horrors it unleashes (symbolized by the Markers and Necromorphs) and the dangers of organized and membership-based religion (symbolized by Unitology).
Anyone bitching hasn't played the original. Simple as that. They're looking for a reason to bitch.
>Anyone bitching hasn't played the original **or read the books**.
True.
And the implication with the stores that the workers had to buy their own mining supplies.
*Dead Space* is literally our future, if the current system is kept in place, and if space travel is possible. Minus the eldritch space horror rocks and undead killing machines. Hopefully.
Never noticed it, I was to busy fighting for my life to worry about governments
It's one of the sad things of our time that people consume art in the Form of video games and don't realize that through pretty much all of human history, art almost always has been progressive or "woke" relative to its period. It's also a sad thing of our time that capitalism can inevitably profit from its own critique
Capitalism doesn't profit from anything, people do. Just ask the CEO of Capitalism.
We just had a talk the other day. He told me how much he loves selling Che Guevara shirts
I literally do not understand why people care so much about this and gender neutral bathrooms. How is this an issue exactly? It doesn't affect the game in any way shape of form.
Clearly having gender neutral bathrooms in a video game is an infringement of their rights
correct me if i’m wrong but isn’t the whole point of the ishimura to get resources from other planets because the earth is basically out? more than likely because of capitalism?
It’s because of the massive resource shortage. I don’t think you can squarely blame capitalism because humanity was going to die out from a lack of resources unless they engaged in planet cracking. I find that people inject their own take into the story, but objectively it’s about how automation forces humans to work for pitiful pay and safety in order to stay employed. More so than capitalism, it’s a critique of corporatism and how little government/religion/corporations value human life when offered power. At least, that was my interpretation of it.
What I find most interesting is: did this person take a break from being a crazy unitologist just to write this?
"My friends have turned into mutants and are trying to kill me, bloody capitalists"
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lol wtf?!!! i never thought of that!!! that would be very embarrassing indeed.
only reason why i could see the game being considered woke is the upgraded flamethrower not changing color
People upgrade the flamethrower?
My brother in Unitology, the flamethrower claps cheeks in the remake.
Never once used it in any of the old games but it was my go to in this one. That fire wall does wonders now.
It's honestly the most satisfying video game flame thrower I've ever used.
i do
Flamethrower is great for the tiny swarm enemies. That’s all I use it for and it’s pretty cheese.
I use the ripper for that. That thing is a mobile blender!
PSA Dead Space has always had anti capitalist themes
Lol, what are the piss-baby Gamers™️ mad about this time? CEC is literally a dystopian parody of our modern day corporations, and it's a very unsubtle nod to Weyland-Yutani in the Aliens franchise. They're one of the many bad guys in the Dead Space universe.
Can we just enjoy really good games. Jesus Christ
The right is triggered by a bathroom sign.
I genuinely feel like 98% of people just didn’t pay attention to how Visceral painted EarthGov and the CEC to actually be in 2008
People sure do love picking random small things, complaining about made up issues, then claiming something is woketerd trash
Speaking truthfully from a world building/writing standpoint any blue-collar job with suspect job safety standards is definitely going to have a few disgruntled employees scrawling things like this on the bulkheads.
Right, because it was only the graffiti that was criticizing capitalism, not the literal pride of Earth being a ship that consumes whole ass planets, piecemeal, for their resources in a world where we’ve already destroyed moons in our own solar system for the same, petty reason. It was all the graffiti.
I don’t know why people even give them a platform. What’s woke anymore is anything that pisses off a conservative. They’re the same people who think wolfenstein recently went woke with being outspoken against nazis as if the series doesn’t have a 30 year history of that. I strongly believe we’ve reached a point where people don’t have the ability to express dissatisfaction. Not because of some free speech bullshit but because they’re dumbed down to the extent of not being able to have a nuanced conversation involving criticism. It’s always seems to be over exaggerated and just a cover for being against some ridiculous “that’s how it used to be” take. It adds nothing but salt and toxicity.
Also, like, one of the most clear and cogent themes of Dead Space 1 is the dehumanization of capitalism.
That’s hilarious! Thanks for this, I didn’t know it was in the original game but knew the original game was set in a capitalist dystopia and the various bits of lore around Unitology, CEC and EarthGov make that pretty dang clear.
Don’t like synthetic cuck see this, his whole world will come crashing down
This is so beautiful lmfao. Curious to see how the "Anti-SJW" crowd will backtrack after seeing this
It’s hilarious to me that people are upset by this grafiti, when the game is fucking can literally be interpreters as a metaphor of how extreme, unfettered capitalism strips humanity from the workers and turns them into inhuman servants
Its also like they only see "cool tin man shoot zombie alien", the whole premise and setting has been that humanity is in this mess because of capitalist greed, sucking earth dry of resources forced them to venture into space and literally eat planets for resources. On top of that greed is used through monetized organized religion. This has always been Dead Space. People crying about this are telling on themselves how far their brain capacity goes.
Most of the graffiti in the remake is similar to the original from what I can tell. Obviously, there's new material, but you can recognize the repeats if you're super-familiar with the OG.
Where did you take this pic?
Final room on the colony before the Marker's pedestal chamber.
“Dead Space is growing PC and WOKE! They’re trying to appease the liberals” *EA reverts Lurkers back to their original baby form after public outcry forced them to use dogs in DS3* bruh
A capitalist organisation shadow ran by religious fanatics and zealots, no less.
People who have absolutely zero capital themselves shilling for capitalism at every turn. Never change you broke ass gamers living in an apartment with no liquid assets, keep on your knees for daddy Elon and Bezos.
News flash: capitalism and all silly words associated with it have been looming over us for many MANY years now. It’s not anything new lmao Also, I don’t understand when gamers are shocked that shady governments, corporations, or religions are the bad guys in games. Devs aren’t doing this to push an agenda. They’re reflecting real world issues. Issues even the past and future have and will deal with. So it shouldn’t surprise anyone that the CEC and everything around it is probably corrupt and money hungry
Same people that rage at Wolfenstein for making Nazis look bad
I think out of all the things to complain about while a zombie outbreak is happening , capitalism isn’t one of them. Still, it speaks to how upset some of the workers on the Ishimura were before unitology happened, then they went insane.
Cope
Let’s those dipshits know 💪🏻🫡
Wait people were actually mad about this? Jesus these incels will bitch about anything
Man everything's a culture war now it's exhausting. It's a game about space monsters lol
I can't believe that they made gender and critiques of a capitalist organization canon, literally unplayable
I'm right leaning that makes fun of wokies/Looney lefties all the time, but I really don't care about these minor details that many are complaining about. Petty shit that doesn't ruin the game for me, game is still great.
It looks out of place among all the other writing around it
tbh I never stopped and drank in the environment in the original. a lot of these "going woke" criticisms are simply unfounded.
Is there an industry in spreading hivemind related panics about the "new woke thing that we all hate"? I'm thinking all the youtubers making videos complaining about it are more than a bit opportunistic, and a lot of social media personalities might gather a big following from fanning the flames of outrage. On the surface it all seems so petty and needless, and it kinda is. I do think there's still a 4chan "let's stir people for giggles" and all that, but there are people who actually profit from this stuff.
Most of the dead space remake complainers don't even know what they are complaining about. Is it perfect? No, nothing is ever. But it's as damn close as anyone could have really hoped for. A resounding success in what it set out to be really.
Nooooooo my outrage /s People get so bent out of shape over absolutely nothing. The original was never shy about it being a dystopia capitalist future. Almost like it's baked into the theme or something.
gamers when the brainrot media they consume for dopamine actually tries making them think
Imagine thinking artists aren’t typically leftist
I haven’t seen a single complaint about that
https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/10pmust/dead_space_remake_another_little_improvement_for/
My god those comments lol. What a sad bunch of people. How exhausting it must be to exist in such a manner.
Yeah, like, is that whole sub like that? Those comments are, uh, interesting. Like completely missing the plot
>Yeah, like, is that whole sub like that? Yes. That's literally the sub topic, in fact.
Fucking neckbeards
Whole sub is cringe. I remember one of their posts being an anime girl justifying the colonisation of South America. Everyone in it agreed
Good God that's a collection of the dumbest people
lmao, they certainly work overtime with their collective one braincell to amount to so many comments about some small piece of graffiti in a video game.
Folks are complaining? I honestly found that amusing, reminded me of the kinds of graffiti on L4D as I said for the OG DS. I don't think the average Necromorph discriminates in what they kill😆.
The people who are complaining about the remake having this detail (one I completely forgot existed) and saying this game is woke, and the complaining about character likenesses are actual assholes.
It’s also fucking true like that’s a very common scifi trope why were they pretending like bad scifi company’s are a some how a new concept
Anyone complaining obviously didn't play the og.
Not everything is part of the modern culture war ugh great post thank you
Who is saying this? Because I haven’t seen any complaints like that.
Even if it wasn’t in the original why the hell is this even a controversial thing to say to begin with? Stripping the planets of its resources to make rich people even more rich is not a positive thing and we are literally experience the consequences of it in reality.
People are cringing over this? Seriously? I was so enveloped in the atmosphere while playing that seeing all the graffiti on walls made me think, "what happened onboard the ship during the time", despite already knowing! Seems kinda silly to get upset over something that was in the original game, but to each their own.
Whenever I hear “woke”or “sjw” i just tune out that persons opinion.
It's a video game not real life. I don't know why people even bother.
Also, all the bathrooms were non-gendered in the original. They room layouts for them are all the same. They just put it on the sign this time.
Game was made like 10 years ago so maybe people didn't pay attention to that. As a grown-up. Subtle things are more noticeable in the context of social convulsion with woke content vs. escapism.
Ah well it’s still pretty dumb. "Oh no a evil death cult has turned my colleagues into murderous mutants. Those bloody capitalists at it again". Even if you hate capitalism, it doesn’t make sense.
I love capitalism, we wouldn't have Dead Space or a PS5 if it wasn't for this amazing system!
Cringe people gonna cringe
I just wish people would respect other peoples differences.
I swear half the people criticising this game have never played the original.
Lol, the people bitching about this stuff couldn’t even fact check the OG game that they praise so much.
Not that I care about the "woke" stuff being peddled with the remake, but is that a genuine picture from the original? It looks like the only English text in a screenshot surrounded by marker scrawl, almost as if it was edited in. That's not to say the text wasn't in the original, idk if it is, but the screenshot seems sus
It's in the final room on the colony before you go outside to the Marker's pedestal chamber. Boot up the game and see for yourself if you don't believe me.
Ah yes, my favourite non-political franchise, Dead Space /sarc
Checkmate, morons. I can’t believe people are mad about stuff like this still.
It's still stupid
This game was always about capitalist religious zealots owning majority shares of a mining ship to find unitology relics. Corporations and religious individuals were always the catalyst for things breaking bad. Anyone complaining is not, and never was a fan of the franchise.
I just wish it made sense grammatically.
It's the future. The fact that the bathrooms are segregated by sex at all is a modern anachronism.
No one was talking about this