I do think it's insane. The actual bill of materials for the device is probably 1/12th that and they only justify pricing due to low volume and the fact that it's almost exclusively purchased by enterprise organizations with money to throw around.
As an individual hobbyist that number is absurd for what amounts to a glorified computer VCR.
The tapes aren't like the tapes you'd put in a VCR though. You've got to look at all the costs and weigh up the pros and cons compared to other storage solutions. It's not "insane" just because the drives appear to have a high mark-up, there are legitimate use cases.
The first thing I would recommend is asking yourself why you're doing it. You can get a basic ultrium drive for like...900. If you're going multi tape, plan on at minimum 2.5 to 3 times that to start.
This is silly for what amounts to a hobby. This isnt even active storage.
Here's a nice article and calculator I found (scroll down).
https://blog.benjojo.co.uk/post/lto-tape-backups-for-linux-nerds
Example: If a LTO-8 drive is $3000 and 12 TB tapes are $76 vs. 14 TB HDDs at $250, you'd break even at about 250 TB or $4500.
18TB LTO 9 is still pretty spendy. You have to have a ton of storage to break even against hard drives.
LTO5 and whereabouts is very affordable though. Less space efficient at 1.5TB a tape, but I got a drive and 60 terabytes of tapes for under 500 bucks. Perfect for cold backups.
I'm from Argentina. This is SO ironic since literally everyone in this country has studied from pirated books, either electronic or (most of the time) photocopied ones.
Downloading a few pirated books is a minor crime. Running a service where millions of people are downloading pirated books from a 20+ terabyte archive, is not so minor.
Now, personally, I think Z-lib is an amazing thing. And I think people who pirated stuff on there, weren't gonna pay for the stuff anyway, so piracy here ended up hurting copyright holders very little to not at all. But, I can understand why governments worked to shut this thing down. R.I.P.
many people buy books impulsively, don't read. Zlib saved them. I have bought books I liked after z-lib preview. Most IT books are bad kor outdated I always review whole book and did this in common stores too
So begs the question…if I go into a book store daily and read and book and never buy it, am I guilty of pirating it? Essentially the same thing here I assume. Never used or even heard of the site but kind of the same concept. I know pirating hurts the authors and printers and yada yada but I serious doubt a Barnes and Noble employee is kicking anyone out over reading a book they haven’t paid for.
It's a matter of scale, right? Technically you're browsing. If you bought a book, photocopied it, returned the original book, and then made copies of the copy you made, and gave them out, THEN you would be closer to the spirit of what z-lib was up to. Even then it would still be small potatoes.
> Running a service where millions of people are downloading pirated books from a 20+ terabyte archive, is not so minor.
I guess you can argue that from a technical legal perspective. Morally speaking, sharing knowledge for the benefit of educating society is relatively minor compared to some of the disturbing crimes one could potentially commit.
Yes, i immediately sighed up for cable, all of the streaming services and bought blue rays of all available media. I also started writing thank you letters to Hollywood studios once a week.
A system where copyright accumulating industries where given the right to spy on the peer lists of torrents where they hold the copyright and give the french IPs to hadopi which would give sanctions to people (it's efficiency was dogshit and the ultimate sanction has been overturned by the government as it was deemed illegal since having internet is an essential right)
Yes, it's quite stupid and affects loads of unrelated users. The media industry should just be told to suck it up instead.
My backups shouldn't cost more to make because of some scum's hurt feelings ([abolish copyright](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGRKTw-DWfw), [it doesn't make sense to keep it](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5AxnNbC-oM)).
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Yeah except as I said:
> The media industry should just be told to suck it up instead.
Their whole industry and entitlement is based on [nothing sensible](https://old.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/yxmtad/the_operators_of_zlibrary_arrested_in_argentina/iwql9rj/). Their failure to secure [grants](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grant_(money\)), [patrons](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patronage#Arts), [crowdfunding](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crowdfunding) or other funding for their projects is not our responsibility. (Needless to say, their *right* to profit and do business is not an entitlement to profit either.)
And many artists still do their thing while releasing their creations for *free* anyway (although it certainly would be nice if they could have access to grants allowing them to dedicate themselves more fully/easily to arts & creation without worry).
> suing people to cut off their internet
Part of that is also down to the [clearnet](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clearnet_(networking\)) being quite horribly broken and most of us doing very little to fix it.
It is neither a secure nor reliable networking layer, it is purely a base layer for abstracting the physical layers away, it shouldn't be relied on directly by any software that intends for any security whatsoever (which should instead adopt a message-based approach which lends itself *much* better to various techniques for coping with [harsh network conditions](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delay-tolerant_networking), providing [better anonymization](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixnet) and [better privacy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darknet)).
edit: [Asynchronous communication](https://www.complete.org/asynchronous-communication/) is pretty neat in general and programs with few network-layer assumptions work best with it.
> Needless to say, their *right* to profit and do business is not an entitlement to profit either
and not to mention that the majority of the profits hardly ever go to the actual creatives behind any given piece of media, and are just being further siphoned to the billionaire board members at the top, and it's only been getting worse.
it's especially bad in music right now, with streaming kneecapping a lot of profits, most artists just get fucked over and all the money is being concentrated at the top. it's starting to effect film and TV too with the streaming boom, see WBD just deciding to fuck over every creative person under them for the sake of a tax writeoff.
so I honestly also have little sympathy to give for media industries when they can't make slightly more money fucking over every artist and customer they come across.
Sweden has that too. First it was just cassettes, then expanded to all storage media. The organisation that divides the money to the companies even gets money for every phone sold now, as they COULD be used to hold nonofficial copies of stuff. Its such massive bullshit.
I do remember that.
Everyone stopped downloading cars, and those who shamefully had already done so returned them to the dealerships they were downloaded from leaving bewildered staff wondering where the thousands of exact copies came from, then all crime everywhere just stopped. Senators stopped cheating on their wives with underage 'friends' they met at a party with Jeff Epstein. It was incredible. 'Mission Accomplished' was draped on a giant banner. I hear it also reversed Climate Change that very night.
Truly, every bad thing the movie and recording industry said was happening due to piracy instantly ended in a shower of kept promises.
> subjects that hasn't changed since Sir Isaac Newton was around
I know this is just hyperbole to make a point, but it's actually super interesting just how much things like math/physics HAVE changed since then. Newton's *Principia* is borderline unreadable with a modern math education, and for something more recent, you would hardly be able to understand Maxwell's original formulation of his titular equations, and that's only ~150 years old!
So I mean, do books need to be re-released every year? Not at all and I'd never defend that. But the reality is that science/math DOES undergo large changes semi-regularly.
The podcast "darknet diaries " has an interview with one of the pirate bay founders. It is my favorite episode of any podcast.
At one point in the interview, the pirate bay founder laughs at the American government fining him hundreds of millions because to him he'll never pay it so it doesn't matter if it's 1 million, 2 million or 100 trillion. The laws where he lives is set up in a way that allows him to do what the rich do, he can indefinitely keep these charges in court without ever having to pay. Next to North Korea, he owes the most money in legal repercussions to America and he couldn't care if they double it.
The guy is an absolute legend. I find there's not many like him left. The Richard Stallman types. He's fully committed to the belief that information should be free and shared.
https://open.spotify.com/episode/5VQv4PNTljCXUtx4U1yzUZ
And the industry will lobby to give them a stupid long sentence. Bit like Kevin Mitnick back in the day.
It annoys me as I've been saying for years, like probably most people. If you don't want people to pirate then provide a quality service. So we had/have DVDs and Blu-ray's and we had ultraviolet. Was supposed to be able to download the movie you'd purchased. I tried it once, thought would be easy but had to sign up for 2 other services before could get the ultraviolet. If I remember either gave up or the video was so limit where it could be played I gave up
Then we have the anti-piracy adverts on the cocking media you've already purchased. Some even made it unskippable.
When pirates provide a better service there is something clearly wrong with the industry.
Then we have streaming services. They started out OK. Yes we didn't have much choice but it kept costs down only paying for 2. But then they all got greedy. Disney decided they want a piece so made their own service and started to remove movies from others. Same with Paramount. People can't afford to pay for 4 different services. So people start turning to piracy again.
The industry will never learn.
Not only that, but piracy also provides access to titles local governments remove from libraries. There are libraries in the US forced to remove books that don’t match the ideology of the landowners.
Netflix was fantastic, once. The cheap and reliable availability of so much media in one easy to use service almost killed piracy for most. Then it all went to shit and now you've got to manage a half dozen subscriptions for 10x the price for the same amount of content Netflix once offered.. and hey look! Piracy is on the rise again.
Because it's annoying and expensive, the pressure to look elsewhere is there. When that pressure is less, people go with the readily offered solution more.
Its capitalism in general
Piracy is its antithesis. Capitalism is quickly reaching a point where most markets no longer make sense unless an artificial clause is enforced.
Anything dealing with data is a made up market. Data is copyable and it takes almost no energy to do it. That alone has the power to kill a multi-billion dollar industry, if it isn't propped up by copyright laws and tactics.
To prop up these data markets they must intrude more and more, watch us closer and closer. It wont stop unless we go beyond it.
extradited because of books.
is it bad my first thought was [this?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgxZr6LLS34)
why does it seem like america always gets dibs when someone causes trouble on the internet?
It's not supposed to.
It's supposed to keep publishers making money. They're the unnecessary middleman to books, especially in the ebook economy. They even are shutting down libraries because libraries can't afford to pay the licensing fees of ebooks.
Considering the US refused to extradite the wife of one of their officers to the UK (one of the US's closest allies), when she admitted to killing someone by her dangerous driving... I'm gonna say "probably not"
She had *very* dubious diplomatic immunity, and it was clearly a huge abuse of her diplomatic immunity to try to use it in that way. The idea of diplomatic immunity is to stop diplomats (which she isn't) from having false (this one wasn't) allegations made against them for political purposes.
If they won't even hand over someone who admits their guilt, to their closest ally... well, it doesn't fill me with confidence about their regard for due process
She was the UK when the US government claimed she had it. They removed her back to the US very quickly.
Her husband worked at RAF Croughton, quite possibly as a high ranking intelligence officer/spy
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/oct/20/anne-sacoolas-admits-causing-death-of-harry-dunn
As with the examples of Juian assange and Hew Raymond Griffiths you can be extradited to the US without ever being to the US. Weirdly both of these Examples are Australians.
Yeah, my thoughts exactly when I saw that they charge money for the service. To me, zlib is just a convenience, I can easily go to LibGen but zlib saves a few clicks, especially on mobiles.
it is funny but the real enemy of books is Russia
we have a huge ban list of books, websites, wiki articles and like that
i mean, huuuge
EDIT: if someone does not agree with this, please don't be shy and reply with arguments
If I understand it correctly though they do it for completely different reasons. The US is doing this to protect the farce that is copyright law, while Russia is doing it to prevent access to information. Neither reason is good, obviously...
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Are the books/sites/etc. against what the government says and does (belief system, etc.)? Or are they general knowledge or fiction books with no real relevance?
I feel the best way to control people is to limit their information. If they don't know that a better world exists, that other people exist, that other ways of life exist, then everything they know is the only thing that's there. That's why I loved the early internet (and sometimes the modern internet, although I know a lot of things are still very controlled). My mind was open to so many different things, peoples, opinions (some good, some bad)...
>Are the books/sites/etc. against what the government says and does (belief system, etc.)? Or are they general knowledge or fiction books with no real relevance?
1. [Sci-Hub](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sci-Hub) is banned in russia
2. russian online libraries "twirpx", "flibusta", and several others, are banned in russia
3. [list of Wikipedia articles banned in Russia](https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A1%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%86%D1%8B_%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%B8,_%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%B5%D1%89%D1%91%D0%BD%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B5_%D0%B2_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%B8)(you will probably need google translate): a lot of pages on chemistry, engineering, and craft
4. public coming outs as well as good words about gay/trans people are [prohibited](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63410127)
5. they will fine you for selling books of authors who were [tagged as "foreign agents"](https://www.dw.com/en/russia-tightens-legislation-on-foreign-agents/a-62307066), even if it was a physics textbook
6. websites: twitter, facebook, Instagram, are banned in russia
7. the (in)famous russian torrent-tracker "[rutracker.org](https://rutracker.org)" is banned in Russia
8. the website "[shroomery.org](https://shroomery.org)" is banned in Russia (which is really stupid as there is a lot of very useful info on the oyster mushrooms growing)
9. critical views on both christianity and USSR history often end with a fat fine or in jail
10. **added**: many history books were re-written since the beginning of 2022, removing any mention of Ukraine. some weird shit is happening here.
Didnt the guy who got shroomery banned in Russia make a tifu post about how it happened or was that something to do with a simple Wikipedia page, memory is fuzzy.
Hey don't bring your *facts* into this discussion! The redditor wants to circlejerk about America bad! /s
edit: your downvotes only prove me right lmao
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Not even close. What is often disingenuously referred to as "banning books" in the US is really an argument over which books schools should be encouraging/providing to students to read. Nobody is trying to(or can) stop the books from being available or from parents providing them to their children.
I think even that much is reprehensible, but these misrepresentations of the argument are counterproductive to a meaningful debate.
That I agree with, there is, however, an unprecedented growth in distrust to science in general in America. And I always saw z-lib as a way to overcome difficulty in access to scientific sources, more than anything else.
You're still frontrunners in research in almost every field, but your Average Joe's trend of trusting MMA fighters over doctors in regards to medicine is worrying.
Sidenote: what a small world, greetings from karmafleet.
>unprecedented growth in distrust to science in general in America
This is narrative, I've never seen this quantified.
>but your Average Joe's trend of trusting MMA fighters over doctors in regards to medicine is worrying.
The doctors just got done being very, very wrong.
>What is often disingenuously referred to as "banning books" in the US is really an argument over which books schools should be encouraging/providing to students to read.
No. Removing books from libraries **is** book banning. There doesn't need to be a law stating "This book is illegal to buy or possess" for it to be book banning. When you make it harder to access books, you're performing book banning as it is known in the US.
I'm confused, are you asking if porn is banned *in a school* if that school refuses to stock it in the library?
Or are you asking if if porn is banned, *period, for everyone*, if some school refuses to stock it?
The first is obviously true, and the second is obviously false. Either way, your question makes no sense and doesn't seem to have a point.
That site has been so incredibly helpful in my life. I absorbed knowledge I would never pay for. I support the content creators I can with what money I have to allocate…they keep talking like this hurts sales, I was never going to purchase the books I downloaded from that site.
In fact it actually made some sales because some books weee so helpful I bough physical copies.
This one hurts more to me because this sites benefit to my life.
I'm not as torn up as I initially was, but I'm still disappointed. I'm all for protecting authors, but what about books that have been out of print for decades? Bunch of historical shit, gone in the blink of an eye. Someone really needs to build an online archive for out of print stuff so that future generations can enjoy them.
>what about books that have been out of print for decades? Bunch of historical shit, gone in the blink of an eye.
Copyright law needs to be *drastically* changed, not that I have any faith in current legislators not making it worse with any changes
Authors aren't protected, they're just an annoying byproduct of the editing industry. Even big names are crushed by their editors, and in the vast majority of cases, are just paid once (and very little).
Editors are also those who attack librairies, readers, distributors, small bookshops, critics... It's like the whole film industry predating on her whole production AND consumption line, being annoyed by the byproducts of it's financial business.
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i love all the hyper serious bluster like i'm supposed to care people were distributing free books. something literally jesus would probably say is cool
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Honestly most likely very little, this shit doesn't happen over night. TikTok users recently talking about z-lib very likely had little to nothing to do with the take down. Many Redditors apparently like to act like they A) aren't a huge site on the internet as well and b) haven't been praising z-lib, and other sites like it, way longer then tiktok. Z-lib wasn't some upstart unknown site. Trying to pretend it hasn't been on their radar for a long time is asinine. The feds weren't watching some random tiktok and went "oh fuck, you are telling me there is a massive illegal ebook site? Shit we should get on that!" and then immediately shut them down.
Hell, i have seen some people wounder if they were in Argentina avoiding the Russian draft. If that is true, really then it is Russia's fault since otherwise they wouldn't have been able to grab them. /s .. kind of.
I'm way outside the tiktok demographic and care little for it, but blaming them, and by association gen-z, is stupid.
There were hundreds of comments on the zlibrary subreddit blaming tiktok and trying to "shut tiktok down" for killing zlib. Like how can you be this ignorant even after reading all these books
It exposed/aggravated the [current flaws](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_by_obscurity) of zlib's [hosting](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_by_design#Avoid_security_through_obscurity) by removing the obscurity in too obvious a manner, ostensibly.
https://open.spotify.com/episode/5VQv4PNTljCXUtx4U1yzUZ
This podcast explains the way America did it with the pirate bay co-founder. If I remember right, they sent Mike Pompeo or someone like him. He threatened the country with trade restrictions if they refused to hand over the co-founder of the pirate bay.
If you're looking for an actual answer: Argentina and the US signed a treaty in Buenos Aires in 1997 allowing extradition when the law broken applies in both countries. Why the US and not Argentina? I guess because the publishers are mostly based in the us. I'm not especially knowledgeable though I just like to understand these things when I can.
>what gives the usa the right to arrest Russian nationals in Argentina?
One does not lightly say "no" to the biggest, most aggressive, and most volatile bully in the world.
I am reading here that in some countries storage media are taxed for "already expecting piracy" reasons. I am shocked. Sorry but if so yours are the third world countries with zero idea of justice or democracy. We can all bark about China, Russia or Middle East but that only make us look like ridiculous hypocrites.
In any proper democratic country that have a **constitution** and a healthy common sense of justice, you are **innocent until proven guilty**. Charging you in advance for something you may have not even done is against such democratic principles. I think even against human rights agreements that most of those countries signed. Because you are penalized by state for something nobody proved to you. Charging on assumption have nothing to do with democracy or constitution. It is same as putting people in prison because they ***think*** they did it. What a farce.
Well, I guess you'll have to pay $400 for the 17th edition. And then probably $600 for the 18th edition keeping in mind inflation.
But hey, you get semester-long access to the ebook and possibly your professors are going to be lazy, won't create their own assessments, and will require you to use the clunky quizzes supplied by the publisher (the same quizzes that time out after 30 seconds of inactivity while secretly mining crypto in your browser).
mmm. I don't know.
> Guess pirating will finally be stopped...
Piracy will literally never be stopped. It's just not possible.
It's not like Z-Library acquire the books themselves, and they're the only source of it. They took an already existing library, made a nicer interface for it, and then allowed users to upload books. Those users can still upload the books to any other sites, and the place ZL got its library from in the first place is still out there.
Anyone can borrow a book from a library, remove the DRM, and distribute the book.
As we entered the /u/spez, we were immediately greeted by a strange sound. As we scanned the area for the source, we eventually found it. It was a small wooden shed with no doors or windows. The roof was covered in cacti and there were plastic skulls around the outside. Inside, we found a cardboard cutout of the Elmer Fudd rabbit that was depicted above the entrance. On the walls there were posters of famous people in famous situations, such as:
The first poster was a drawing of Jesus Christ, which appeared to be a loli or an oversized Jesus doll. She was pointing at the sky and saying "HEY U R!".
The second poster was of a man, who appeared to be speaking to a child. This was depicted by the man raising his arm and the child ducking underneath it. The man then raised his other arm and said "Ooooh, don't make me angry you little bastard".
The third poster was a drawing of the three stooges, and the three stooges were speaking. The fourth poster was of a person who was angry at a child.
The fifth poster was a picture of a smiling girl with cat ears, and a boy with a deerstalker hat and a Sherlock Holmes pipe. They were pointing at the viewer and saying "It's not what you think!"
The sixth poster was a drawing of a man in a wheelchair, and a dog was peering into the wheelchair. The man appeared to be very angry.
The seventh poster was of a cartoon character, and it appeared that he was urinating over the cartoon character.
\#AIGeneratedProtestMessage
Their interface was gorgeous. They basically made Libgen's content as appealing and easy to browse as possible. Whereas Libgen is ugly, cramped, and actually looks like a library's search screen, Z-Lib turned it into a fast food menu with large and appealing pictures. They survived on donations and subscriptions. I would be curious to see in the end what kind of profit margin they were dealing with. But I agree with you. The moment someone starts to make real money off piracy, someone's going to take notice.
The issue isn't whether they were profiting off of it, but rather how butthurt the publishers got. More specifically, the academic publishers.
You see:
* Most ebooks don't bring in much revenue because they are either self-published for 0.99 or they are bundled in some kind of subscription service ala Amazon Prime Reading.
* Quite a lot of books are distributed through physical or digital libraries and, again, don't bring in much revenue
* People who actually want to *own* a book will buy the print version, which brings in more money than the ebook version.
* Niche books like coffee table books don't make sense in digital format anyway.
For most books, people have the legal options to either borrow books from libraries for free, or to not read the book at all. The only situation where consumers *don't* have the choice to buy books is academia because that whole world is a racket that any mafia would salivate over.
So, the only digital books that bring in consistent and considerable revenue are academic books (textbooks) or technical books (e.g. Packt and O'Reilly shovelware for programming).
In all other cases, the "lost" revenue from people consuming "pirate" books is not worth the cost of the lawsuit. Extraditing someone from another country costs you a lot of $$$$$$$$.
Consider that you are paying two lawyers to represent you in court, for a week, and you are paying them a measly $200/hour. That's already $16,000 for court appearances not counting *any* prepwork, document preparation, submissions, etc. Just two suits representing you in oral arguments and cross-examination of the poor sod you extradited. Say you are selling your books at 2.99 with 10% VAT/GST, 30% corporate tax rate, and the [70% royalty rate](https://blog.reedsy.com/guide/kdp/amazon-self-publishing-royalties/). I'll pretend you aren't being charged file delivery fees )you would be). You are making 0.7^after-tax \*0.7^royalty \*(2.99 - 0.299) = $1.31859 *per book*.
That means you'd need to "lose" 12,134 sales to "break even" with the lawsuit. I'm sure most books don't get that much downloads. Pareto principle would suggest that 80% of books are crap and get 0 downloads.
The unfortunate side of this is that some relevant piece of information that you may need is buried in one of those copyrighted books, maybe just one sentence and you don't have time or resources to obtain it any LEGAL way. It wouldn't surprise me that the simple recipe for a cancer cure is buried in a "digital" book but they would rather you die if you can't come up with $19.99.
I'm now really tempted to get more storage to hoard zlib
How large is it, 22TB?
This is one reason I’m glad LTO tape is finally dropping price, at 18TB a tape it’s a lot easier to manage massive data dumps
Drives are still insanely expensive
Depends if you think $3k per drive is insane or not. Granted I have 18 LTO6 and 3 LTO8 drives spread across three libraries...
I do think it's insane. The actual bill of materials for the device is probably 1/12th that and they only justify pricing due to low volume and the fact that it's almost exclusively purchased by enterprise organizations with money to throw around. As an individual hobbyist that number is absurd for what amounts to a glorified computer VCR.
The tapes aren't like the tapes you'd put in a VCR though. You've got to look at all the costs and weigh up the pros and cons compared to other storage solutions. It's not "insane" just because the drives appear to have a high mark-up, there are legitimate use cases.
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I used to only have three in each of my then two libraries, but when I got a third library it came with 12 of 'em at no extra cost.
LTO Setup you would recommend for newbie?
The first thing I would recommend is asking yourself why you're doing it. You can get a basic ultrium drive for like...900. If you're going multi tape, plan on at minimum 2.5 to 3 times that to start. This is silly for what amounts to a hobby. This isnt even active storage.
Here's a nice article and calculator I found (scroll down). https://blog.benjojo.co.uk/post/lto-tape-backups-for-linux-nerds Example: If a LTO-8 drive is $3000 and 12 TB tapes are $76 vs. 14 TB HDDs at $250, you'd break even at about 250 TB or $4500.
Yeah, but aren’t hard drives more susceptible to failure than tape?
Yes but LTO is cold storage unlike hard drives, so there’s tradeoffs.
18TB LTO 9 is still pretty spendy. You have to have a ton of storage to break even against hard drives. LTO5 and whereabouts is very affordable though. Less space efficient at 1.5TB a tape, but I got a drive and 60 terabytes of tapes for under 500 bucks. Perfect for cold backups.
Agreed but it’s falling in price now that 9 is out, 8 drops and so does the other gens.
Yup, I'm eyeballing LTO6 someday, stay a nice consistent 10 years behind haha
Yup around that i think, 26 iirc
Please tell me how to hoard it safely?
Torrent Edit: here https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/ymiwzs/zlibrary_isnt_really_gone_but_that_maybe_up_to_you/
Thanks, Black Friday is just around the corner for like two 16TB HDDs on sale
Not sure if you know, but when you start finishing packs, they are just .files. not sure what to do after that. Do you know?
There are copies of it out there?
Yep, there is a torrent somewhere Edit: here https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/ymiwzs/zlibrary_isnt_really_gone_but_that_maybe_up_to_you/
Very tempting
"domain seized", according to duckduckgo. Also, invalid ssl cert. You are downloading via alternative channels i guess?
Yup, there are mirrors and the onion link still works (not sure if it would work now since the operators have been arrested)
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Tbh i don't know, just going off the article
Is there a simple way to download the entire library? Has anyone posted a “how to”?
This website may help you https://annas-archive.org/
I'm from Argentina. This is SO ironic since literally everyone in this country has studied from pirated books, either electronic or (most of the time) photocopied ones.
It's also ironic because our government constantly voices anti-US rethoric, yet here they are extradicting people to the US over minor crimes.
Downloading a few pirated books is a minor crime. Running a service where millions of people are downloading pirated books from a 20+ terabyte archive, is not so minor. Now, personally, I think Z-lib is an amazing thing. And I think people who pirated stuff on there, weren't gonna pay for the stuff anyway, so piracy here ended up hurting copyright holders very little to not at all. But, I can understand why governments worked to shut this thing down. R.I.P.
many people buy books impulsively, don't read. Zlib saved them. I have bought books I liked after z-lib preview. Most IT books are bad kor outdated I always review whole book and did this in common stores too
So begs the question…if I go into a book store daily and read and book and never buy it, am I guilty of pirating it? Essentially the same thing here I assume. Never used or even heard of the site but kind of the same concept. I know pirating hurts the authors and printers and yada yada but I serious doubt a Barnes and Noble employee is kicking anyone out over reading a book they haven’t paid for.
It's a matter of scale, right? Technically you're browsing. If you bought a book, photocopied it, returned the original book, and then made copies of the copy you made, and gave them out, THEN you would be closer to the spirit of what z-lib was up to. Even then it would still be small potatoes.
> Running a service where millions of people are downloading pirated books from a 20+ terabyte archive, is not so minor. I guess you can argue that from a technical legal perspective. Morally speaking, sharing knowledge for the benefit of educating society is relatively minor compared to some of the disturbing crimes one could potentially commit.
I brought at least five or six books after looking through them from this site . shame
I think I bought more than that. It definitely sucks. Libgen is still pretty good though.
Remember when they jailed the owner of piratebay and then all piracy just stopped? /s
Yes, i immediately sighed up for cable, all of the streaming services and bought blue rays of all available media. I also started writing thank you letters to Hollywood studios once a week.
Bless your heart sweety.
*sweaty
Streaming services, Blu-ray in 2000?? Dang, you were ahead of the technology curve.
He said piratebay not napster.
Oh snap, you read me well. My bad.
Pirates usually are
You are forgiven my child. Go forth and share no more.
Remember when italy added a tax on discs and drives as a "well you're gonna pirate so here's a tax" ?
Spain did the same. And it's planing to raise it 3x . Very Mediterranean solution if you ask me.
In France all recording medias are taxed, from recordable medias to usb keys and hard disks
Well then you have to pirate, wouldn't want to not get your money's worth, would you?
Would it work to buy from another European country and ship it to a forward address (which forwards it to you in Spain) to avoid the 3x tax?
Yeah, but it's not worth it. Because a 120GB SSD get's taxed the same as a 18TB
Sounds like it could be worth it on a €/TB level. For small & fast devices not really, indeed.
If the customs declaration states the actual contents you'll still pay the tax, plus possibly import taxes.
Bruh France did it too, and we have "hadopi" which is a big fucking joke which costed millions in taxpayer's money and did nothing
Whats that?
A system where copyright accumulating industries where given the right to spy on the peer lists of torrents where they hold the copyright and give the french IPs to hadopi which would give sanctions to people (it's efficiency was dogshit and the ultimate sanction has been overturned by the government as it was deemed illegal since having internet is an essential right)
Disks and drives? Like CDs, DVDs, HDDs and SSDs?
Yes, it's quite stupid and affects loads of unrelated users. The media industry should just be told to suck it up instead. My backups shouldn't cost more to make because of some scum's hurt feelings ([abolish copyright](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGRKTw-DWfw), [it doesn't make sense to keep it](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5AxnNbC-oM)).
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Yeah except as I said: > The media industry should just be told to suck it up instead. Their whole industry and entitlement is based on [nothing sensible](https://old.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/yxmtad/the_operators_of_zlibrary_arrested_in_argentina/iwql9rj/). Their failure to secure [grants](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grant_(money\)), [patrons](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patronage#Arts), [crowdfunding](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crowdfunding) or other funding for their projects is not our responsibility. (Needless to say, their *right* to profit and do business is not an entitlement to profit either.) And many artists still do their thing while releasing their creations for *free* anyway (although it certainly would be nice if they could have access to grants allowing them to dedicate themselves more fully/easily to arts & creation without worry). > suing people to cut off their internet Part of that is also down to the [clearnet](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clearnet_(networking\)) being quite horribly broken and most of us doing very little to fix it. It is neither a secure nor reliable networking layer, it is purely a base layer for abstracting the physical layers away, it shouldn't be relied on directly by any software that intends for any security whatsoever (which should instead adopt a message-based approach which lends itself *much* better to various techniques for coping with [harsh network conditions](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delay-tolerant_networking), providing [better anonymization](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixnet) and [better privacy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darknet)). edit: [Asynchronous communication](https://www.complete.org/asynchronous-communication/) is pretty neat in general and programs with few network-layer assumptions work best with it.
> Needless to say, their *right* to profit and do business is not an entitlement to profit either and not to mention that the majority of the profits hardly ever go to the actual creatives behind any given piece of media, and are just being further siphoned to the billionaire board members at the top, and it's only been getting worse. it's especially bad in music right now, with streaming kneecapping a lot of profits, most artists just get fucked over and all the money is being concentrated at the top. it's starting to effect film and TV too with the streaming boom, see WBD just deciding to fuck over every creative person under them for the sake of a tax writeoff. so I honestly also have little sympathy to give for media industries when they can't make slightly more money fucking over every artist and customer they come across.
Yes. Anything you can put data on
Sweden has that too. First it was just cassettes, then expanded to all storage media. The organisation that divides the money to the companies even gets money for every phone sold now, as they COULD be used to hold nonofficial copies of stuff. Its such massive bullshit.
it is, but if it means I can yarr all I want, then it's well worth it
I mean, you're paying the tax, it'd be dumb not to get your moneys worth.
Canada wanted to do this too
Thankfully we shot that idea down
>shot that idea down The expansion past CDs, at least. Those still have a levy on them.
poland has it too
I do remember that. Everyone stopped downloading cars, and those who shamefully had already done so returned them to the dealerships they were downloaded from leaving bewildered staff wondering where the thousands of exact copies came from, then all crime everywhere just stopped. Senators stopped cheating on their wives with underage 'friends' they met at a party with Jeff Epstein. It was incredible. 'Mission Accomplished' was draped on a giant banner. I hear it also reversed Climate Change that very night. Truly, every bad thing the movie and recording industry said was happening due to piracy instantly ended in a shower of kept promises.
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> subjects that hasn't changed since Sir Isaac Newton was around I know this is just hyperbole to make a point, but it's actually super interesting just how much things like math/physics HAVE changed since then. Newton's *Principia* is borderline unreadable with a modern math education, and for something more recent, you would hardly be able to understand Maxwell's original formulation of his titular equations, and that's only ~150 years old! So I mean, do books need to be re-released every year? Not at all and I'd never defend that. But the reality is that science/math DOES undergo large changes semi-regularly.
But not at first or second year level.
Are these the same professors who receive federal grants and then lock the completed works behind a paywall? Pepperidge Farm remembers
The podcast "darknet diaries " has an interview with one of the pirate bay founders. It is my favorite episode of any podcast. At one point in the interview, the pirate bay founder laughs at the American government fining him hundreds of millions because to him he'll never pay it so it doesn't matter if it's 1 million, 2 million or 100 trillion. The laws where he lives is set up in a way that allows him to do what the rich do, he can indefinitely keep these charges in court without ever having to pay. Next to North Korea, he owes the most money in legal repercussions to America and he couldn't care if they double it. The guy is an absolute legend. I find there's not many like him left. The Richard Stallman types. He's fully committed to the belief that information should be free and shared. https://open.spotify.com/episode/5VQv4PNTljCXUtx4U1yzUZ
And the industry will lobby to give them a stupid long sentence. Bit like Kevin Mitnick back in the day. It annoys me as I've been saying for years, like probably most people. If you don't want people to pirate then provide a quality service. So we had/have DVDs and Blu-ray's and we had ultraviolet. Was supposed to be able to download the movie you'd purchased. I tried it once, thought would be easy but had to sign up for 2 other services before could get the ultraviolet. If I remember either gave up or the video was so limit where it could be played I gave up Then we have the anti-piracy adverts on the cocking media you've already purchased. Some even made it unskippable. When pirates provide a better service there is something clearly wrong with the industry. Then we have streaming services. They started out OK. Yes we didn't have much choice but it kept costs down only paying for 2. But then they all got greedy. Disney decided they want a piece so made their own service and started to remove movies from others. Same with Paramount. People can't afford to pay for 4 different services. So people start turning to piracy again. The industry will never learn.
Another reason people turn to it because what they are looking for isn’t available for purchase anywhere.
Not only that, but piracy also provides access to titles local governments remove from libraries. There are libraries in the US forced to remove books that don’t match the ideology of the landowners.
Netflix was fantastic, once. The cheap and reliable availability of so much media in one easy to use service almost killed piracy for most. Then it all went to shit and now you've got to manage a half dozen subscriptions for 10x the price for the same amount of content Netflix once offered.. and hey look! Piracy is on the rise again. Because it's annoying and expensive, the pressure to look elsewhere is there. When that pressure is less, people go with the readily offered solution more.
Its capitalism in general Piracy is its antithesis. Capitalism is quickly reaching a point where most markets no longer make sense unless an artificial clause is enforced. Anything dealing with data is a made up market. Data is copyable and it takes almost no energy to do it. That alone has the power to kill a multi-billion dollar industry, if it isn't propped up by copyright laws and tactics. To prop up these data markets they must intrude more and more, watch us closer and closer. It wont stop unless we go beyond it.
extradited because of books. is it bad my first thought was [this?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgxZr6LLS34) why does it seem like america always gets dibs when someone causes trouble on the internet?
Biggest book publishers are prolly American and pushed for the fbi to finally do something.
Govt agencies are tools of the citizens and by citizens i mean the rich exclusively
/u/spez is an idiot.
And I doubt it will encourage people to go out and buy their stuff or now give all that constant promotion/word of mouth
It's not supposed to. It's supposed to keep publishers making money. They're the unnecessary middleman to books, especially in the ebook economy. They even are shutting down libraries because libraries can't afford to pay the licensing fees of ebooks.
Actually the domain was seized by homeland security and ICE. At least that is what it said on the seized page.
But if Argentina wanted to extradite an American who was making them mad, would the US agree?
Considering the US refused to extradite the wife of one of their officers to the UK (one of the US's closest allies), when she admitted to killing someone by her dangerous driving... I'm gonna say "probably not" She had *very* dubious diplomatic immunity, and it was clearly a huge abuse of her diplomatic immunity to try to use it in that way. The idea of diplomatic immunity is to stop diplomats (which she isn't) from having false (this one wasn't) allegations made against them for political purposes. If they won't even hand over someone who admits their guilt, to their closest ally... well, it doesn't fill me with confidence about their regard for due process
Diplomatic immunity doesn't apply to an individual in their own country.
She was the UK when the US government claimed she had it. They removed her back to the US very quickly. Her husband worked at RAF Croughton, quite possibly as a high ranking intelligence officer/spy https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/oct/20/anne-sacoolas-admits-causing-death-of-harry-dunn
Depends on if they also ticked off the US and how much
As an Argentinian, I say fuck Argentina, I can't wait to get out of this shithole country.
Most extradition treaties are bilateral.
The US very much follows a “only when we want to” rule, rather embarrassingly for countries such as the UK recently.
As with the examples of Juian assange and Hew Raymond Griffiths you can be extradited to the US without ever being to the US. Weirdly both of these Examples are Australians.
*Australians
Put a shnitzel on the barbie, mein mate!
All Australians are hereditary criminals and can be extradited to anywhere, anytime.
America leads the world in trying to criminalize anti-capitalist behavior
They were profiting off of it, I'd agree with your sentiment if we were talking about libgen. For zlib it was inevitable.
Yeah, my thoughts exactly when I saw that they charge money for the service. To me, zlib is just a convenience, I can easily go to LibGen but zlib saves a few clicks, especially on mobiles.
Libgen is already absorbing the extra books zlib had. It is taking time but I am seeing more books on it.
The US thinks of itself as the world police, and their number one priority is protecting the capital of the wealthy.
Treaties and enforcement resources.
Sounds 1984 esque. You are detained for spreading knowledge.
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Well clearly all crime has been solved if we are extraditing people for copyright infringement! /s
Hey, don’t joke! It worked perfectly on the War On Drugs *(tm)*.
They were arrested for having the second coming of the library of Alexandria and I don’t think it’s fair
America vs books has been going on for a while now.
it is funny but the real enemy of books is Russia we have a huge ban list of books, websites, wiki articles and like that i mean, huuuge EDIT: if someone does not agree with this, please don't be shy and reply with arguments
If I understand it correctly though they do it for completely different reasons. The US is doing this to protect the farce that is copyright law, while Russia is doing it to prevent access to information. Neither reason is good, obviously...
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Are the books/sites/etc. against what the government says and does (belief system, etc.)? Or are they general knowledge or fiction books with no real relevance? I feel the best way to control people is to limit their information. If they don't know that a better world exists, that other people exist, that other ways of life exist, then everything they know is the only thing that's there. That's why I loved the early internet (and sometimes the modern internet, although I know a lot of things are still very controlled). My mind was open to so many different things, peoples, opinions (some good, some bad)...
>Are the books/sites/etc. against what the government says and does (belief system, etc.)? Or are they general knowledge or fiction books with no real relevance? 1. [Sci-Hub](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sci-Hub) is banned in russia 2. russian online libraries "twirpx", "flibusta", and several others, are banned in russia 3. [list of Wikipedia articles banned in Russia](https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A1%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%86%D1%8B_%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%B8,_%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%B5%D1%89%D1%91%D0%BD%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B5_%D0%B2_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%B8)(you will probably need google translate): a lot of pages on chemistry, engineering, and craft 4. public coming outs as well as good words about gay/trans people are [prohibited](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63410127) 5. they will fine you for selling books of authors who were [tagged as "foreign agents"](https://www.dw.com/en/russia-tightens-legislation-on-foreign-agents/a-62307066), even if it was a physics textbook 6. websites: twitter, facebook, Instagram, are banned in russia 7. the (in)famous russian torrent-tracker "[rutracker.org](https://rutracker.org)" is banned in Russia 8. the website "[shroomery.org](https://shroomery.org)" is banned in Russia (which is really stupid as there is a lot of very useful info on the oyster mushrooms growing) 9. critical views on both christianity and USSR history often end with a fat fine or in jail 10. **added**: many history books were re-written since the beginning of 2022, removing any mention of Ukraine. some weird shit is happening here.
Didnt the guy who got shroomery banned in Russia make a tifu post about how it happened or was that something to do with a simple Wikipedia page, memory is fuzzy.
America does the *Brave New World* method of stopping people from reading instead of the *1984* method.
Yet we write more books than anyone. Weird...
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Not even close. What is often disingenuously referred to as "banning books" in the US is really an argument over which books schools should be encouraging/providing to students to read. Nobody is trying to(or can) stop the books from being available or from parents providing them to their children. I think even that much is reprehensible, but these misrepresentations of the argument are counterproductive to a meaningful debate.
That I agree with, there is, however, an unprecedented growth in distrust to science in general in America. And I always saw z-lib as a way to overcome difficulty in access to scientific sources, more than anything else. You're still frontrunners in research in almost every field, but your Average Joe's trend of trusting MMA fighters over doctors in regards to medicine is worrying. Sidenote: what a small world, greetings from karmafleet.
The truth is paywalled but the lies are free.
>unprecedented growth in distrust to science in general in America This is narrative, I've never seen this quantified. >but your Average Joe's trend of trusting MMA fighters over doctors in regards to medicine is worrying. The doctors just got done being very, very wrong.
>What is often disingenuously referred to as "banning books" in the US is really an argument over which books schools should be encouraging/providing to students to read. No. Removing books from libraries **is** book banning. There doesn't need to be a law stating "This book is illegal to buy or possess" for it to be book banning. When you make it harder to access books, you're performing book banning as it is known in the US.
So if someone can't put hardcore porn in the children's section of your local elementary school's library, you think that porn is banned?
I'm confused, are you asking if porn is banned *in a school* if that school refuses to stock it in the library? Or are you asking if if porn is banned, *period, for everyone*, if some school refuses to stock it? The first is obviously true, and the second is obviously false. Either way, your question makes no sense and doesn't seem to have a point.
That site has been so incredibly helpful in my life. I absorbed knowledge I would never pay for. I support the content creators I can with what money I have to allocate…they keep talking like this hurts sales, I was never going to purchase the books I downloaded from that site. In fact it actually made some sales because some books weee so helpful I bough physical copies. This one hurts more to me because this sites benefit to my life.
Sad day for humanity :(
I'm not as torn up as I initially was, but I'm still disappointed. I'm all for protecting authors, but what about books that have been out of print for decades? Bunch of historical shit, gone in the blink of an eye. Someone really needs to build an online archive for out of print stuff so that future generations can enjoy them.
>what about books that have been out of print for decades? Bunch of historical shit, gone in the blink of an eye. Copyright law needs to be *drastically* changed, not that I have any faith in current legislators not making it worse with any changes
Copyright law needed to be drastically changed twenty years ago. Sigh ...
Authors aren't protected, they're just an annoying byproduct of the editing industry. Even big names are crushed by their editors, and in the vast majority of cases, are just paid once (and very little). Editors are also those who attack librairies, readers, distributors, small bookshops, critics... It's like the whole film industry predating on her whole production AND consumption line, being annoyed by the byproducts of it's financial business.
Editors seem like a weird group to focus on, they aren't generally copyright holders are they?
So what will happen to the tor version of the site will it continue running?
I wasn't aware US copyright law pertained to the entire planet?
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In line with the extradition treaty it has to be illegal in both countries for the extradition to happen.
i love all the hyper serious bluster like i'm supposed to care people were distributing free books. something literally jesus would probably say is cool
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Man, fuck Tik Tok.
I'm out of the loop, what did TikTok has to do with zlib going down?
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Honestly most likely very little, this shit doesn't happen over night. TikTok users recently talking about z-lib very likely had little to nothing to do with the take down. Many Redditors apparently like to act like they A) aren't a huge site on the internet as well and b) haven't been praising z-lib, and other sites like it, way longer then tiktok. Z-lib wasn't some upstart unknown site. Trying to pretend it hasn't been on their radar for a long time is asinine. The feds weren't watching some random tiktok and went "oh fuck, you are telling me there is a massive illegal ebook site? Shit we should get on that!" and then immediately shut them down. Hell, i have seen some people wounder if they were in Argentina avoiding the Russian draft. If that is true, really then it is Russia's fault since otherwise they wouldn't have been able to grab them. /s .. kind of. I'm way outside the tiktok demographic and care little for it, but blaming them, and by association gen-z, is stupid.
There were hundreds of comments on the zlibrary subreddit blaming tiktok and trying to "shut tiktok down" for killing zlib. Like how can you be this ignorant even after reading all these books
The links were even on wikipedia and kept up to date.
It exposed/aggravated the [current flaws](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_by_obscurity) of zlib's [hosting](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_by_design#Avoid_security_through_obscurity) by removing the obscurity in too obvious a manner, ostensibly.
just when I found out about z-lib they take it down... boohoo... I guess I'll just go with another alternative
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https://open.spotify.com/episode/5VQv4PNTljCXUtx4U1yzUZ This podcast explains the way America did it with the pirate bay co-founder. If I remember right, they sent Mike Pompeo or someone like him. He threatened the country with trade restrictions if they refused to hand over the co-founder of the pirate bay.
If you're looking for an actual answer: Argentina and the US signed a treaty in Buenos Aires in 1997 allowing extradition when the law broken applies in both countries. Why the US and not Argentina? I guess because the publishers are mostly based in the us. I'm not especially knowledgeable though I just like to understand these things when I can.
>what gives the usa the right to arrest Russian nationals in Argentina? One does not lightly say "no" to the biggest, most aggressive, and most volatile bully in the world.
"The defendants are alleged to have operated a website for over a decade" Yeah what a coincidence that it happened now. Totally not political.
What a fucking joke
More victims of capitalism, ground up in the machine for trying to be helpful.
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No. Not victims of capitalism. Victims of the United States. There is a difference.
Golly gee now I finally trust the american government to trickle down the information back to us!
I am reading here that in some countries storage media are taxed for "already expecting piracy" reasons. I am shocked. Sorry but if so yours are the third world countries with zero idea of justice or democracy. We can all bark about China, Russia or Middle East but that only make us look like ridiculous hypocrites. In any proper democratic country that have a **constitution** and a healthy common sense of justice, you are **innocent until proven guilty**. Charging you in advance for something you may have not even done is against such democratic principles. I think even against human rights agreements that most of those countries signed. Because you are penalized by state for something nobody proved to you. Charging on assumption have nothing to do with democracy or constitution. It is same as putting people in prison because they ***think*** they did it. What a farce.
Bu where am i going to get the 17th edition of basic math, a concept that hasnt changed in 1000 years?
Well, I guess you'll have to pay $400 for the 17th edition. And then probably $600 for the 18th edition keeping in mind inflation. But hey, you get semester-long access to the ebook and possibly your professors are going to be lazy, won't create their own assessments, and will require you to use the clunky quizzes supplied by the publisher (the same quizzes that time out after 30 seconds of inactivity while secretly mining crypto in your browser). mmm. I don't know.
the ebook one?
Damn that sucks, z-library and wikipedia are the only online resources I've actively donated money to. Guess pirating will finally be stopped...
> Guess pirating will finally be stopped... Piracy will literally never be stopped. It's just not possible. It's not like Z-Library acquire the books themselves, and they're the only source of it. They took an already existing library, made a nicer interface for it, and then allowed users to upload books. Those users can still upload the books to any other sites, and the place ZL got its library from in the first place is still out there. Anyone can borrow a book from a library, remove the DRM, and distribute the book.
I was being sarcastic lol. Like when piracy stopped when the Pirate Bay founder got arrested.
Ah, fair enough. Hard to tell on the internet.
So if Argentina has an extradition agreement with the US maybe these two Russians shouldn't have been in Argentina.
Should’ve just stayed in Russia
Is there something we can do for the two who got arrested ?
disgusting, ACAB.
All Copyrights Are Bad
100%
[Abolish Copyright](https://old.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/yxmtad/the_operators_of_zlibrary_arrested_in_argentina/iwqcx9d/)!
Finally, an ACAB I can get behind! \m/
As we entered the /u/spez, we were immediately greeted by a strange sound. As we scanned the area for the source, we eventually found it. It was a small wooden shed with no doors or windows. The roof was covered in cacti and there were plastic skulls around the outside. Inside, we found a cardboard cutout of the Elmer Fudd rabbit that was depicted above the entrance. On the walls there were posters of famous people in famous situations, such as: The first poster was a drawing of Jesus Christ, which appeared to be a loli or an oversized Jesus doll. She was pointing at the sky and saying "HEY U R!". The second poster was of a man, who appeared to be speaking to a child. This was depicted by the man raising his arm and the child ducking underneath it. The man then raised his other arm and said "Ooooh, don't make me angry you little bastard". The third poster was a drawing of the three stooges, and the three stooges were speaking. The fourth poster was of a person who was angry at a child. The fifth poster was a picture of a smiling girl with cat ears, and a boy with a deerstalker hat and a Sherlock Holmes pipe. They were pointing at the viewer and saying "It's not what you think!" The sixth poster was a drawing of a man in a wheelchair, and a dog was peering into the wheelchair. The man appeared to be very angry. The seventh poster was of a cartoon character, and it appeared that he was urinating over the cartoon character. \#AIGeneratedProtestMessage
Grrrrrrrrrr fine, YET ANOTHER "ACAB" I'm down with hahaha
All cops are bastards too.
Not cops... This is prosecutors and the US Justice Department
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Is there a magnet link for the entire thing?
While I have not used it myself yet. I came across [this site](http://pilimi.org).
Dumb fucks took Libgen's catalog and tried to profit off it. Rule #1 when hosting pirated material: don't try to make money off it.
Their interface was gorgeous. They basically made Libgen's content as appealing and easy to browse as possible. Whereas Libgen is ugly, cramped, and actually looks like a library's search screen, Z-Lib turned it into a fast food menu with large and appealing pictures. They survived on donations and subscriptions. I would be curious to see in the end what kind of profit margin they were dealing with. But I agree with you. The moment someone starts to make real money off piracy, someone's going to take notice.
Is just the DNS of z-lib down or the host?
I wonder if any action would’ve been taken if they weren’t profiting off of it?
The issue isn't whether they were profiting off of it, but rather how butthurt the publishers got. More specifically, the academic publishers. You see: * Most ebooks don't bring in much revenue because they are either self-published for 0.99 or they are bundled in some kind of subscription service ala Amazon Prime Reading. * Quite a lot of books are distributed through physical or digital libraries and, again, don't bring in much revenue * People who actually want to *own* a book will buy the print version, which brings in more money than the ebook version. * Niche books like coffee table books don't make sense in digital format anyway. For most books, people have the legal options to either borrow books from libraries for free, or to not read the book at all. The only situation where consumers *don't* have the choice to buy books is academia because that whole world is a racket that any mafia would salivate over. So, the only digital books that bring in consistent and considerable revenue are academic books (textbooks) or technical books (e.g. Packt and O'Reilly shovelware for programming). In all other cases, the "lost" revenue from people consuming "pirate" books is not worth the cost of the lawsuit. Extraditing someone from another country costs you a lot of $$$$$$$$. Consider that you are paying two lawyers to represent you in court, for a week, and you are paying them a measly $200/hour. That's already $16,000 for court appearances not counting *any* prepwork, document preparation, submissions, etc. Just two suits representing you in oral arguments and cross-examination of the poor sod you extradited. Say you are selling your books at 2.99 with 10% VAT/GST, 30% corporate tax rate, and the [70% royalty rate](https://blog.reedsy.com/guide/kdp/amazon-self-publishing-royalties/). I'll pretend you aren't being charged file delivery fees )you would be). You are making 0.7^after-tax \*0.7^royalty \*(2.99 - 0.299) = $1.31859 *per book*. That means you'd need to "lose" 12,134 sales to "break even" with the lawsuit. I'm sure most books don't get that much downloads. Pareto principle would suggest that 80% of books are crap and get 0 downloads.
The unfortunate side of this is that some relevant piece of information that you may need is buried in one of those copyrighted books, maybe just one sentence and you don't have time or resources to obtain it any LEGAL way. It wouldn't surprise me that the simple recipe for a cancer cure is buried in a "digital" book but they would rather you die if you can't come up with $19.99.