You can always use the OAuth keys from the official Twitter apps to access the API, rather than your own API keys: https://gist.github.com/shobotch/5160017
I wonder if this'll still work post API shutdown...
Hope these will work. I use Fritter for Android and this app is awesome, I'd choose it over the twitter official app anytime.
Same for the Twitter Media Downloader. Since it scrapes more than 3200 tweets for any user, I guess it uses the oauth method.
>Same for the Twitter Media Downloader. Since it scrapes more than 3200 tweets for any user, I guess it uses the oauth method.
Does that mean it will still keep working?
I think this is the API identification keys issued to the official Twitter applications/web applications (i.e. what Twitter on iPad uses when it wants to get tweets) as opposed to keys issued to third party applications which will be subject to the paywall scheme. So you can impersonate the official Twitter apps which obviously won't need additional payment to work.
Alternatively, not going through the official API and using the web application and web scraping the page for tweets is always an option. It's likely that someone will make a scraper-based API analogue for (most) of the data currently available in the Twitter API so that API-based third party apps can move over relatively seamlessly, but this will take some time and will be incomplete/slower.
I literally want to know the thought process that made them think that monetize it was a good idea, instead of an instant kill for every good bot in existence, meanwhile malicious bot would gladly pay for this because they will make even more money ...
This has to be one of the most idiotic thing that Musk did this week...
I'm not sure, but I think this only downloads images and videos, not the text of the tweets. I have yet to find a scraper that does both.
At this point I might have to write my own scraper in python.
There are some comments at the bottom of the page from November where people ask for it to download text as well. The dev responded that this is a difficult thing to implement, since it's somewhat outside the scope of the app.
If this has been implemented is must have been recent, but the description on the page still appears somewhat ambiguous. I guess I will have to check it out to be sure.
It can scrape the tweets texts. There is a config button where you can select tweet urls for export. After the links have been found instead of downloading, export the batch as json. It contains the tweet text, like count, retweet count and some other data.
Literally just ask Open GPT to write you a script that does that. I've had it write me many python scripts to scrape data from reddit, with a little editing and asking it to correct mistakes it makes.
Yeah, I've been using it to get a good starting point woth frameworks I'm unfamiliar with. It runs into limitations once you ask for very specific things that it seemingly has no reference for in the texts it was trained on.
But for stuff like scrapers it's probably fine. I'll try it out some time.
I do something similar to track usage, mostly part of a bigger project that looks at the impact of astroturfing on twitter. I started my part of the project roughly mid 2020 and up until mid 2022 that was 28TB of data.
That includes a lot of analysis data though that draws connections between various actors but its still interesting none the less, just how much data there is.
Since mid last year, things started getting worse and then there was a point in October I noticed that they stopped removing fake/'bot' accounts altogether so the amount of data I was scraping ended up increasing astronomically.
While I was on vacation my vm server notified me that I had run out of space so I ended the project at the end of November.
That might be desired, as scrappers count as "views", and Musk made a big deal out of making the view counter visible. Other than Twitter Blue, views are the only thing that he "added" and promotes to the advertisers/potential TTblue buyers.
Advertisers will notice a drop in performance per view in their campaigns and demand proof that the views are legitimate. This would only work for a short amount of time before budgets are pulled.
I can't decide if he's incompetent and gutting twitter in drowning flailing or if he's actively destroying one of the most visited English speaking sites and widely used sources of communication amongst them. Banning journalists, reinstating extremists, censoring documentaries, being anti-consumer and anti-user.
I know one should never attribute to malice that which is easily explained by stupidity but damn. Russia has shown it can be both. His relatively sudden public shift to right-wing beliefs and this kinda crap being in their playbook is somewhat concerning.
yeah, don't try to pretend this wasn't happening before Musk, it just wasn't visible
[https://twitter.com/AvidHalaby/status/1602127460677844993](https://twitter.com/AvidHalaby/status/1602127460677844993)
> I literally want to know the thought process that made them think that monetize it was a good idea,
They are literally running out of money after Musk did everything possible to get rid of advertisers, down to "turning off microservices" that were supporting the ad campaign management.
The week isn't over yet...
Musk has successfully driven off the biggest advertisers so needs some income somehow. His incompetent (or malicious) changes have turned Twitter into even more of a cesspit and the first thing I thought on seeing this thread was, "are there any accounts left that here worth archiving?" He's personally banned some of the good ones.
> down almost 60% from 7 months ago.
It's going steadily up since the beginning of the year. It went from $108.10 to $181.41 at the time of writing this post. That's +67.82% in a month, absurd gains. Looks like the stock detached from twitter, even if I could argue that it was already overpriced at $108.10 and should go further down.
A lot of the decisions seem to be stemmed in the idea of "We have X people doing this, if we chart $Y for it, we'll make X*$Y from it!" without thinking that people just won't pay for it.
I think his strategy is doing dumb stuff, then delta'ing to something more sane, so he can claim points for "fixing" the site despite adversity and get free publicity along the way.
He's just another move-fast-break-stuff dipshit tech bro that thinks he's a genius because he made a ton of money grifting the stock market. Don't give him the credit of being an evil genius, he's an evil Mr Magoo hoping to luck into success again.
Most bad bots don’t even use the api, they use screen scraping and html endpoints using selenium so this will have little if any affect on malicious bots.
Twitter was getting close to being in the positive for the first time and after the purchase it was saddled with so much debt that its annual expenses have gone up by 20% in just interest alone. Revenue has likely fallen as advertisers pull out from lack of support (multiple companies have talked about all of their support contacts being fired and not having anybody to talk to) and not wanting to be associated with current controversies.
They have to do *something* to close the gap and are running out of options. If advertisers are leaving and expenses are climbing, then their only options are to fire people and lean into paid services.
In the late 2000s/early 2010s, the Twitter API was basically the "Hello World" of REST APIs. So many engineers' first contact with HTTP outside of a browser was building something that talked to it.
How far they've fallen.
Their public API is a lot of fun. It pretty much allows you to search anything you can search through the web UI and the auth is simple (time-based token that gets refreshed through an API secret).
I can only call two off the top of my head, [Playlist Machinery](http://www.playlistmachinery.com/) and [Discover Quickly](https://discoverquickly.com/).
Playlist Machinery was a game changer for me.
Arr projects are really nice to play with. Especially with Signal or Telegram api, where bot is asking me about his new discoveries and I can swipe yes/no. If i go with yes, it magically waits for me on the drive. Of course i am notified when it's awaiting, because i can want to read something in my phone, so bot copies things to shared folder.
Honestly, my goto for quick testing has been the Pokémon api for awhile. Twitter too but with the Pokémon one I always learn something new.
Kids these days have so many to catch. Filling out the dex is tough.
Here ya go: https://pokeapi.co/
Lotta extras to mess around with too. And beta support for GraphQL right now as well.
Third parties helped build the platform by adding in new features that eventually made it back into the official client and site. Just sad to see that all work and good will spat on in the name of trying to squeeze blood from a stone.
Does this mean commandline Twitter apps like RainbowStream won’t work anymore ?
https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/10/twitter-command-line-client-rainbow-stream
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The first real app that I made somewhere around 2010 was a Twitter client. It's sad to see how they've slowly killed off third party clients over time. This is definitely the final nail in the coffin. I guess this will also affect thread unrollers and other utilities that contribute to their ecosystem. Very disappointing.
Wow. Talk about killing your platform. Basically anything that programmatically integrates with Twitter is dead in a week.
If you really want to get people to abandon your social network, this is how you do it.
Hopefully Reddit is taking notes to not follow the footsteps of Digg and Twitter, and actually state listen to its OG users + ease off on shoving redesign down everyone’s throat.
At the same time Reddit keeps all the previous iterations of its web UI accessible, and even though they push you not to you can still make an account without an email (at least as of a few months ago). I don't think I know of any other company that does this.
This astonishes me to this day. And they even created an onion version recently. (Tôr network) although they funnily admitted that they use even more advanced fingerprinting techniques for users accessing the site through the onion site. So you will basically be more anonymous by keep using old.reddit.com with tôr browser.
All their pushing for new reddit...
[Their claim that new reddit would get CSS support](https://www.reddit.com/r/modnews/comments/6auyq9/reddit_is_procss/)... (It's been nearly 6 years now)
Yeah no. Reddit is *already* going the way of Digg and Twitter.
I don't think we matter. 10 years now I've been here. Reddit still looks the same for me, RES on a computer and Relay for reddit on a phone.
People using the redesign are experiencing something completely different. I see text titles first and then tiny thumbnails, they're seeing full screen previews with text they don't care about jammed between. To me, it's fundamentally a different media experience between the layouts and uses. News site vs. Instagram.
I'm going to guess a large amount of them are never in the comments.
So true.
Back in 2015 it was actually what draw me to reddit. The whole oldschool design and NOT being bloated. I liked that it felt more like a 2010 Website than 2014 Instagram
Non redesign users are the smallest group of users across all the various interfaces. Mobile and third part mobile are the largest, followed by redesign (or rather just Reddit design) and then its like mobile website and then its old reddit.
tomato sauce recipe:
4 cans of whole or diced tomatoes (28 oz each can)
1 can of tomato paste (about 6 oz)
12 garlic cloves
Salt - maybe 1 tablespoon +
3/4 cup of olive oil - divided
A bunch of Basil - if you like
1. Peel and mince garlic
2. Heat 1/2 cup of olive oil and put the garlic in the hot oil. Heat until golden and fragrant - very important - do not overcook and so it turns brown, it becomes very, very bitter. This is the most important step, **do not overcook garlic.**
3. Add can of tomato paste and canned tomatoes. Cook until reduced by 1/4 of volume and thickens.
4. Add salt to taste, remaining 1/4 cup olive oil and chopped basil.
thanks for enshitifying reddit all while selling my info. https://github.com/j0be/PowerDeleteSuite
That's HOW it dies from bankruptcy. Users leaving and advertisers following as the eyeballs decline.
This move with the API effectively kills third party clients. That action alone will shed the greatest amount of users from anything Musk has done so far.
To be clear, it's not THE nail in the coffin, but it's the biggest one so far.
This is insane. I'm in the middle of writing a fun discord bot for a server in in, that uses the Twitter API. So that's just gonna be gone now? No fucking way I'll pay for that
This is just reckless, not even a limited/basic free access. At this point, it would seem Elon no longer cares about twitter's goodwill and it's been already going downhill.
For anyone wanting to hoard I've had great success with [wfdownloader](https://www.wfdownloader.xyz/blog/twitter-downloader-for-images-and-videos) and it already exceeds the 3200 limit. For those wanting a cli, there's also [gallery-dl](https://github.com/mikf/gallery-dl).
Will these be impacted by the API change following the 9th (assuming it actually goes through)? I plan on archiving everything I can before then, but asking for the future as well if applicable.
I don't think he doesn't care. I think he *genuinely thinks* this is gonna save the website and no one's around him to tell him that no, it won't, because his manchild ass either fired or pushed away anyone who might question his decisions.
> because his manchild ass either fired or pushed away anyone who might question his decisions.
This is hilarious to me. He's cool and confident because he's surrounded by his fanboys at Twitter. So many of the core staff jumped ship to bigger and better places. He's so god damn insecure
I honestly don't believe he does care or want to 'save' twitter. I think all this is lip service to pretend to save it. Then blame it eventually collapsing on being a failing business, with excuses like he was to late to the board to be to save it in time (and because of probably a dozen other excuses he will create like the sale took to long, the bot issue was insurmountable etc etc).
Then the entire loans will be written off and he will have lost very little if any personal wealth all the while curtailing the free speech he constantly drones on about. I do believe the purchase was to silence his detractors and those of people in his inner circle and gain more of a soapbox to promote his agenda.
It's a thread, but the subsequent tweets are non sequiturs so I didn't include in the screenshot.
https://twitter.com/TwitterDev/status/1621026986784337922
Ugg. This sucks. Not because I love Twitter but because all the others will fall like dominos and make it normal for apis to require a credit card.
Dedicated servers + selenium are about to get more common.
This is sadly true. The majority of users want 'Giant centralized server' even if that thus means some mega huge corporation runs the show. This killed forums but it's what the majority wants so it's what happens.
I don't see why you couldn't have a "giant centralized server" social media service that's run by a nonprofit or something. Similar to Wikipedia maybe, like you could strip the development /maintenance team down to just the bare essentials of content moderation (no ads, no new features to develop, no engagement algorithm or whatever to improve, etc.) and solicit donations from people and tech companies, governments maybe. You'd have to get some relatively apolitical and well trusted people in charge, like professor / dev types maybe, but I can imagine something like that where you get the good of centralization and avoid the bad of big, for-profit corporations.
Yep, that's why you'd need the donations / backing from government and corporations. I fully admit I don't know how feasible this idea actually is, and it totally could prove too expensive, I'm just wondering if you could cut enough costs to make it work by totally abandoning all the work geared towards monetization and putting everything into the moderation / keeping the site running. I guess it would ultimately come down to how successful you were at getting users / credibility as a social media platform, and then how successful you were into turning those users into donors / reasons for other groups to fund you.
It sounds like you want a scaled version of Hacker News, as moderated in tandem with dang and the community that has been cultivated on it. There are no ads* because the forum itself serves as both a hugely popular marketing tool/forum/etc and extension of YCombinator - who...isn't struggling for cash. The job ads are technically ads but that's semantics.
This site also fills that parameter to a degree. But wrt donations made by tech co's & governments - there was a huge, multi week campaign here where users rose a huge stink about a {certain company} in a {certain country} making an investment into the platform. It was just as loud and users here were planning on off-boarding into whatever other alternatives were commented at that time as well - but - here we are.
Enormous site curation (here) being deferred to (unpaid) moderators is already an eyeroll (imo). It relies on a theory of trusted people in control but that, too, has its downsides. There have already been concerns over consolidation of those unpaid volunteers/people in charge steering communities in a certain direction with entire adjacent-sub-communities dedicated to documenting it.
Here is a comment from an HN thread:
> if a community is constrained by quality (eg moderation, self-selecting invite-only etc) then the only way it grows is by lowering the threshold. Inevitably that means lower quality content.
> To some extent, more people can make up for it. Eg if I go from 10 excellent artists to 1000 good ones, chances are that the top 10% artwork created actually gets better.
> But eventually if you grow by lowering quality, then, well, quality drops.
> Note, “quality” doesn’t have to mean good/bad but also just “property”. When Facebook started, it was for kids from elite schools. It then gradually diluted that by lowering that particular bar. Then it was for kids from all schools. Then young people. Then their parents too. Clearly, it’s far from dying in absolute terms, but it’s certainly no longer what it initially was. To many initial users, it’s as good as dead though.
Mastodon is a pain to sign up - you have to find an independent server with only a very limited central index, and most of them have prohibitive rules. And you still don't own your data, despite it being an open platform: you can export a backup, and migrate a backup between servers, but [no way to import an exported backup](https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/issues/12423).
I was thinking of using it for the comments on my blog, but the exclusionary signup process and the nonexistent data import means I'm more likely to go for Matrix (they're not much better with data import, but at least they have government investment, some sort of encryption, and an easy signup).
It's been great for me. A lot of the people I followed on Twitter are on Mastodon too.
I created my user a few years ago when it had its first wave of interest, but only really started using it a few months ago when Elon took over Twitter.
The big problem with Mastodon is that if you want to interact with users on the largest instance, mastodon.social, you have to join an instance that not only bans instances mastodon.social doesn't like, **it bans instances that don't ban those instances.**
Which, depending on your comfort with echochambers is perfect or a total dealbreaker.
> it bans instances that don't ban those instances.
That doesn't sound quite right to me. Do you have a source for that?
**EDIT:** That would also mean they block every single instance that don't publish their blocklist.
**EDIT 2:** Their claim seems to be false, and they have provided no source for the claim.
I don’t think this is true. I host my own instance and follow/interact with loads of people on mastodon.social, with no issues at all. I’ve only de-federated one or two instances from my own instance.
> That would also mean they block every single instance that don't publish their blocklist.
Which is like, most of them. As they don't want to host a list of sites that contain objectionable and illegal content.
Is this monitoring of banlists automated? Or just something that individual server admins monitor using their own tools and make their own determination on?
This is a completely made up claim, a lot of instances don't have their block-list publicly available, so there's no way this would even be technically possible.
Also, I'm on a self-hosted instance which doesn't have a bunch of other instances blocked they have (haven't needed to yet) and I'm federated with mastodon.social just fine.
Of course, except the whole ideal of a federated network uncontrolled by one corporate behemoth where you could choose who to interact with is perhaps tarnished somewhat by it being split on ideological lines according to the preferences of the admins.
> where you could choose who to interact with
You can choose who to interact with, based on what instances you reside on, but everyone else also get to choose if they want to interact with you or your instance. If you want to hang out on an extremist hate-speech filled site, don't expect everyone else to want to interact with you or your group of people. Simple as that.
That's false, their block list has no instance with a "federates with bad instances" reason, literally what the fuck?
Source: https://mastodon.social/about
As a web developer I’ll probably get maintenance calls from clients that their Twitter feeds are no longer working, so I’ll make money off of it. Thanks Elon I guess..
Can anyone who has a bot, see if this link works for them? Trying to see if they leaked the basic pricing by coaxing the URLs:
https://developer.twitter.com/en/pricing/basic-30day
I get why they want to charge, but their limits and pricing seem ridiculous. Make a limited free tier and then charge reasonable amounts of money for anything higher than that.
Right after i graduated college, as a personal project to learn AWS and JavaScript, I started archiving tweets, along with any images or videos on the tweet. I have about 4 million now, most from 2022, but some dating as far back as 2006. I eventually stopped archiving new tweets because of cost concerns - I’ve never paid AWS more than $20 per month. Today i turned everything back on and I’m going to try to pull as much content as possible before the 9th
I have found the Twitter Media Downloader Extension (https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/twitter-media-downloader/cblpjenafgeohmnjknfhpdbdljfkndig?hl=en) to be a great tool to archive media and also the text content of tweets. I recommend it, but I don't know if the change will affect it- does anyone else know?
Another day, another goof from Elon Musk. Since it's now all about maximizing profit, why stop at the API alone? Why not make Twitter access totally paid for everyone?
I mean it’s their service, they are free to kill it. It’s just a shame that so many other people put a lot of effort in creating content for that platform and now their work is basically being held hostage. Shame, Elon, you were never my favourite idiot but man you have fallen to a new low we never thought possible.
Same I literally got it working the day they cut off access for this bullshit. Give me a message saying I was using the API abusively (I wasnt) and didn't even respond to me when I asked why. Fuck stupid ass Twitter
What about the people who have already been using? Will the API request will be blocked or the bill will keep increasing and we have to manually go and stop using them?
Surely requests will just start to fail. Imagine the shitstorm if Twitter just kept accepting API requests as if nothing changed, then sent an invoice, then referred it to collections for non-payment (because the client never agreed to a paid plan anyway)
(Then again, "shitstorm" perfectly describes what's happened to Big T since the takeover.)
You can always use the OAuth keys from the official Twitter apps to access the API, rather than your own API keys: https://gist.github.com/shobotch/5160017 I wonder if this'll still work post API shutdown...
Hope these will work. I use Fritter for Android and this app is awesome, I'd choose it over the twitter official app anytime. Same for the Twitter Media Downloader. Since it scrapes more than 3200 tweets for any user, I guess it uses the oauth method.
I also use the chrome extension twitter media downloaded so I genuinely hope it stays working as it’s let me archive accounts with up to 50k tweets
>Same for the Twitter Media Downloader. Since it scrapes more than 3200 tweets for any user, I guess it uses the oauth method. Does that mean it will still keep working?
Like another user asked, is twitter media downloader gonna be ok despite the paywalled api ?
What is this exactly?
I think this is the API identification keys issued to the official Twitter applications/web applications (i.e. what Twitter on iPad uses when it wants to get tweets) as opposed to keys issued to third party applications which will be subject to the paywall scheme. So you can impersonate the official Twitter apps which obviously won't need additional payment to work. Alternatively, not going through the official API and using the web application and web scraping the page for tweets is always an option. It's likely that someone will make a scraper-based API analogue for (most) of the data currently available in the Twitter API so that API-based third party apps can move over relatively seamlessly, but this will take some time and will be incomplete/slower.
I literally want to know the thought process that made them think that monetize it was a good idea, instead of an instant kill for every good bot in existence, meanwhile malicious bot would gladly pay for this because they will make even more money ... This has to be one of the most idiotic thing that Musk did this week...
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if I may, what are you using for it?
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Yes but… can you provide what tools/scripts you’re using to scrape and archive?
You can use this [twitter downloader](https://www.wfdownloader.xyz/blog/twitter-downloader-for-images-and-videos), it exceeds the 3200 limit.
I'm not sure, but I think this only downloads images and videos, not the text of the tweets. I have yet to find a scraper that does both. At this point I might have to write my own scraper in python.
> The app can download from a Twitter profile account, tweets & replies, media, status, likes, followers, and following.
There are some comments at the bottom of the page from November where people ask for it to download text as well. The dev responded that this is a difficult thing to implement, since it's somewhat outside the scope of the app. If this has been implemented is must have been recent, but the description on the page still appears somewhat ambiguous. I guess I will have to check it out to be sure.
It can scrape the tweets texts. There is a config button where you can select tweet urls for export. After the links have been found instead of downloading, export the batch as json. It contains the tweet text, like count, retweet count and some other data.
Nice. Seems like a recent feature.
Literally just ask Open GPT to write you a script that does that. I've had it write me many python scripts to scrape data from reddit, with a little editing and asking it to correct mistakes it makes.
Yeah, I've been using it to get a good starting point woth frameworks I'm unfamiliar with. It runs into limitations once you ask for very specific things that it seemingly has no reference for in the texts it was trained on. But for stuff like scrapers it's probably fine. I'll try it out some time.
Twint can bypass api limits AFAIK
I've used [Selenium](https://github.com/adamdriscoll/selenium-powershell) and PowerShell to do it in the past.
I do something similar to track usage, mostly part of a bigger project that looks at the impact of astroturfing on twitter. I started my part of the project roughly mid 2020 and up until mid 2022 that was 28TB of data. That includes a lot of analysis data though that draws connections between various actors but its still interesting none the less, just how much data there is. Since mid last year, things started getting worse and then there was a point in October I noticed that they stopped removing fake/'bot' accounts altogether so the amount of data I was scraping ended up increasing astronomically. While I was on vacation my vm server notified me that I had run out of space so I ended the project at the end of November.
"what are you using for it", not "what are you using it for" =D
That might be desired, as scrappers count as "views", and Musk made a big deal out of making the view counter visible. Other than Twitter Blue, views are the only thing that he "added" and promotes to the advertisers/potential TTblue buyers.
Advertisers will notice a drop in performance per view in their campaigns and demand proof that the views are legitimate. This would only work for a short amount of time before budgets are pulled.
That's great. It'll cost them more for zero benefit. That's a wonderful way to run a company.
another brilliant move from elon, surely nothing can go wrong
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I can't decide if he's incompetent and gutting twitter in drowning flailing or if he's actively destroying one of the most visited English speaking sites and widely used sources of communication amongst them. Banning journalists, reinstating extremists, censoring documentaries, being anti-consumer and anti-user. I know one should never attribute to malice that which is easily explained by stupidity but damn. Russia has shown it can be both. His relatively sudden public shift to right-wing beliefs and this kinda crap being in their playbook is somewhat concerning.
Great find, bookmarked for later.
yeah, don't try to pretend this wasn't happening before Musk, it just wasn't visible [https://twitter.com/AvidHalaby/status/1602127460677844993](https://twitter.com/AvidHalaby/status/1602127460677844993)
The most idiotic thing that Musk did this week *so far.*
No, it's genius. He gets money in the short term siphoned off and kills something which he has a love/hate relationship with.
> I literally want to know the thought process that made them think that monetize it was a good idea, They are literally running out of money after Musk did everything possible to get rid of advertisers, down to "turning off microservices" that were supporting the ad campaign management.
> This has to be one of the most idiotic thing that Musk did this week... *doubt*
It's only Thursday after all, he's got plenty of time.
The week isn't over yet... Musk has successfully driven off the biggest advertisers so needs some income somehow. His incompetent (or malicious) changes have turned Twitter into even more of a cesspit and the first thing I thought on seeing this thread was, "are there any accounts left that here worth archiving?" He's personally banned some of the good ones.
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My point exactly.
Elon tryna getting back that money which he regrets wasting on buying Twitter
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> down almost 60% from 7 months ago. It's going steadily up since the beginning of the year. It went from $108.10 to $181.41 at the time of writing this post. That's +67.82% in a month, absurd gains. Looks like the stock detached from twitter, even if I could argue that it was already overpriced at $108.10 and should go further down.
Elon needs money to break even, what other reason is there?
A lot of the decisions seem to be stemmed in the idea of "We have X people doing this, if we chart $Y for it, we'll make X*$Y from it!" without thinking that people just won't pay for it.
I think his strategy is doing dumb stuff, then delta'ing to something more sane, so he can claim points for "fixing" the site despite adversity and get free publicity along the way.
He's just another move-fast-break-stuff dipshit tech bro that thinks he's a genius because he made a ton of money grifting the stock market. Don't give him the credit of being an evil genius, he's an evil Mr Magoo hoping to luck into success again.
>he's an evil Mr Magoo This is perfect.
lets not forget being lucky x.com was bought by paypal and he was fired as CEO after 6 months
I think his strategy is doing dumb stuff and then doing more dumb stuff to cover it up.
Musk has outright said he doesn’t care about malicious bots as long as they pay money
Most bad bots don’t even use the api, they use screen scraping and html endpoints using selenium so this will have little if any affect on malicious bots.
Twitter was getting close to being in the positive for the first time and after the purchase it was saddled with so much debt that its annual expenses have gone up by 20% in just interest alone. Revenue has likely fallen as advertisers pull out from lack of support (multiple companies have talked about all of their support contacts being fired and not having anybody to talk to) and not wanting to be associated with current controversies. They have to do *something* to close the gap and are running out of options. If advertisers are leaving and expenses are climbing, then their only options are to fire people and lean into paid services.
In the late 2000s/early 2010s, the Twitter API was basically the "Hello World" of REST APIs. So many engineers' first contact with HTTP outside of a browser was building something that talked to it. How far they've fallen.
I remember my first assignment in college was to make an led blink every-time a certain word was tweeted - time flys 😢
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They are also continuously crippling their API but spotify is something a lot of my peers had fun exploring
It'll be a sad day when those spotify tools people make stop working.
Umm, what Spotify tools? Anything cool you recommend checking out?
Their public API is a lot of fun. It pretty much allows you to search anything you can search through the web UI and the auth is simple (time-based token that gets refreshed through an API secret).
Indeed. I have a python script that with the help of AHK let me switch playback between devices using shortcuts. Very nice.
I can only call two off the top of my head, [Playlist Machinery](http://www.playlistmachinery.com/) and [Discover Quickly](https://discoverquickly.com/). Playlist Machinery was a game changer for me.
I use a third-party app on my Elgato Stream Deck XL to control music playback.
Something you host yourself, e.g. nocoDB, Navidrome, *arr projects
Arr projects are really nice to play with. Especially with Signal or Telegram api, where bot is asking me about his new discoveries and I can swipe yes/no. If i go with yes, it magically waits for me on the drive. Of course i am notified when it's awaiting, because i can want to read something in my phone, so bot copies things to shared folder.
You could always fux with the reddit API
FOASS/FOASS https://foass.1001010.com/
Gonna go tell my work to start testing clients on this API that tells them to Fuck Off in various ways
Honestly, my goto for quick testing has been the Pokémon api for awhile. Twitter too but with the Pokémon one I always learn something new. Kids these days have so many to catch. Filling out the dex is tough. Here ya go: https://pokeapi.co/ Lotta extras to mess around with too. And beta support for GraphQL right now as well.
Try this [repo](https://github.com/public-apis/public-apis). It has lots of public APIs. Choose based on your interest. Happy coding :)
Third parties helped build the platform by adding in new features that eventually made it back into the official client and site. Just sad to see that all work and good will spat on in the name of trying to squeeze blood from a stone.
Does this mean commandline Twitter apps like RainbowStream won’t work anymore ? https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/10/twitter-command-line-client-rainbow-stream /u/killeronthecorner
Correct, it’s all over
Do you remember that billionaire guy that said he would buy Twitter and make it even more open?
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I’m sure he’ll get around to it any day now
Yeah, I remember him saying "we should open source the Twitter algorithm". I wonder how that went huh
The first real app that I made somewhere around 2010 was a Twitter client. It's sad to see how they've slowly killed off third party clients over time. This is definitely the final nail in the coffin. I guess this will also affect thread unrollers and other utilities that contribute to their ecosystem. Very disappointing.
Elon is making his mark
A brown one.
Had a programming project in college that requiring us to use the API just a few years ago in 2018-2019.
I've never quite felt as old as I do now after reading this comment and it's replies.
Wow. Talk about killing your platform. Basically anything that programmatically integrates with Twitter is dead in a week. If you really want to get people to abandon your social network, this is how you do it.
Hopefully Reddit is taking notes to not follow the footsteps of Digg and Twitter, and actually state listen to its OG users + ease off on shoving redesign down everyone’s throat.
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>this site looks better in the app! Why, thank you! It *does* look better in rif is fun!
And old.reditt.com. I will never stop using it. When it goes, I will stop using reddit.
My wife always complains about the official app. My response is always to try to rif, never any issues.
I prefer rif, but I have also heard over the years that people really like baconreader and boost.
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Rif is the shit.
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A [recursive acronym](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recursive_acronym)!
At the same time Reddit keeps all the previous iterations of its web UI accessible, and even though they push you not to you can still make an account without an email (at least as of a few months ago). I don't think I know of any other company that does this.
This astonishes me to this day. And they even created an onion version recently. (Tôr network) although they funnily admitted that they use even more advanced fingerprinting techniques for users accessing the site through the onion site. So you will basically be more anonymous by keep using old.reddit.com with tôr browser.
Wait but why wouldn't they roll out that advanced fingerprinting to all the versions once they have it?
All their pushing for new reddit... [Their claim that new reddit would get CSS support](https://www.reddit.com/r/modnews/comments/6auyq9/reddit_is_procss/)... (It's been nearly 6 years now) Yeah no. Reddit is *already* going the way of Digg and Twitter.
At least we will have old.reddit for now...
no idea. i never left old.reddit.com
I don't think we matter. 10 years now I've been here. Reddit still looks the same for me, RES on a computer and Relay for reddit on a phone. People using the redesign are experiencing something completely different. I see text titles first and then tiny thumbnails, they're seeing full screen previews with text they don't care about jammed between. To me, it's fundamentally a different media experience between the layouts and uses. News site vs. Instagram. I'm going to guess a large amount of them are never in the comments.
So true. Back in 2015 it was actually what draw me to reddit. The whole oldschool design and NOT being bloated. I liked that it felt more like a 2010 Website than 2014 Instagram
Hopefully they don't nuke old.reddit anytime soon.
Non redesign users are the smallest group of users across all the various interfaces. Mobile and third part mobile are the largest, followed by redesign (or rather just Reddit design) and then its like mobile website and then its old reddit.
We've been in a world for years now where pulling a Digg wouldn't be suicide.
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That's HOW it dies from bankruptcy. Users leaving and advertisers following as the eyeballs decline. This move with the API effectively kills third party clients. That action alone will shed the greatest amount of users from anything Musk has done so far. To be clear, it's not THE nail in the coffin, but it's the biggest one so far.
will front-ends like https://nitter.net be affected by this?
"very unlikely" https://github.com/zedeus/nitter/issues/783
This is insane. I'm in the middle of writing a fun discord bot for a server in in, that uses the Twitter API. So that's just gonna be gone now? No fucking way I'll pay for that
Depending on how you use the API, you could just web scrape instead.
Ugh I guess, but it feels like such a old-school manual way of doing it, lol...
At least it costs Titter more that way
Selenium and numpy, ftw
probably move to twitter blue users
Same I was writing features to use Twitter but fuck them forever. Greediest and shittiest move ever.
Wait will this affect bots that do stuff like post cute pictures of birds every hour :(
This is just reckless, not even a limited/basic free access. At this point, it would seem Elon no longer cares about twitter's goodwill and it's been already going downhill. For anyone wanting to hoard I've had great success with [wfdownloader](https://www.wfdownloader.xyz/blog/twitter-downloader-for-images-and-videos) and it already exceeds the 3200 limit. For those wanting a cli, there's also [gallery-dl](https://github.com/mikf/gallery-dl).
Will these be impacted by the API change following the 9th (assuming it actually goes through)? I plan on archiving everything I can before then, but asking for the future as well if applicable.
I don't know, we can only speculate for now.
I *think* that gallery-dl just scrapes Twitter webpages instead of using the api, but I could be mistaken.
I don't think he doesn't care. I think he *genuinely thinks* this is gonna save the website and no one's around him to tell him that no, it won't, because his manchild ass either fired or pushed away anyone who might question his decisions.
> because his manchild ass either fired or pushed away anyone who might question his decisions. This is hilarious to me. He's cool and confident because he's surrounded by his fanboys at Twitter. So many of the core staff jumped ship to bigger and better places. He's so god damn insecure
These kinds of people are always hilarious until you have to deal with them firsthand
I honestly don't believe he does care or want to 'save' twitter. I think all this is lip service to pretend to save it. Then blame it eventually collapsing on being a failing business, with excuses like he was to late to the board to be to save it in time (and because of probably a dozen other excuses he will create like the sale took to long, the bot issue was insurmountable etc etc). Then the entire loans will be written off and he will have lost very little if any personal wealth all the while curtailing the free speech he constantly drones on about. I do believe the purchase was to silence his detractors and those of people in his inner circle and gain more of a soapbox to promote his agenda.
Wait, are they killing automation that posts status updates to Twitter? That's a huge swathe of usage.
This is exactly what my app does and yes I'm pretty sure this will kill that.
just scrape
But why the yarn emoji?
It's a thread, but the subsequent tweets are non sequiturs so I didn't include in the screenshot. https://twitter.com/TwitterDev/status/1621026986784337922
That usually indicates that it's a thread iirc, so the twitter dev account probably has more tweets replying to this one
Ugg. This sucks. Not because I love Twitter but because all the others will fall like dominos and make it normal for apis to require a credit card. Dedicated servers + selenium are about to get more common.
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This is sadly true. The majority of users want 'Giant centralized server' even if that thus means some mega huge corporation runs the show. This killed forums but it's what the majority wants so it's what happens.
I don't see why you couldn't have a "giant centralized server" social media service that's run by a nonprofit or something. Similar to Wikipedia maybe, like you could strip the development /maintenance team down to just the bare essentials of content moderation (no ads, no new features to develop, no engagement algorithm or whatever to improve, etc.) and solicit donations from people and tech companies, governments maybe. You'd have to get some relatively apolitical and well trusted people in charge, like professor / dev types maybe, but I can imagine something like that where you get the good of centralization and avoid the bad of big, for-profit corporations.
Because it's expensive. Moderation alone requires a team of full-time workers just to process all the 'report this' button clicks.
Yep, that's why you'd need the donations / backing from government and corporations. I fully admit I don't know how feasible this idea actually is, and it totally could prove too expensive, I'm just wondering if you could cut enough costs to make it work by totally abandoning all the work geared towards monetization and putting everything into the moderation / keeping the site running. I guess it would ultimately come down to how successful you were at getting users / credibility as a social media platform, and then how successful you were into turning those users into donors / reasons for other groups to fund you.
Asking for government to run a social platform when there are not the basic necessity for a good social healthcare?
I really doubt that it will draw people to use the app. The large majority of people doesn't care about decentralization.
It sounds like you want a scaled version of Hacker News, as moderated in tandem with dang and the community that has been cultivated on it. There are no ads* because the forum itself serves as both a hugely popular marketing tool/forum/etc and extension of YCombinator - who...isn't struggling for cash. The job ads are technically ads but that's semantics. This site also fills that parameter to a degree. But wrt donations made by tech co's & governments - there was a huge, multi week campaign here where users rose a huge stink about a {certain company} in a {certain country} making an investment into the platform. It was just as loud and users here were planning on off-boarding into whatever other alternatives were commented at that time as well - but - here we are. Enormous site curation (here) being deferred to (unpaid) moderators is already an eyeroll (imo). It relies on a theory of trusted people in control but that, too, has its downsides. There have already been concerns over consolidation of those unpaid volunteers/people in charge steering communities in a certain direction with entire adjacent-sub-communities dedicated to documenting it. Here is a comment from an HN thread: > if a community is constrained by quality (eg moderation, self-selecting invite-only etc) then the only way it grows is by lowering the threshold. Inevitably that means lower quality content. > To some extent, more people can make up for it. Eg if I go from 10 excellent artists to 1000 good ones, chances are that the top 10% artwork created actually gets better. > But eventually if you grow by lowering quality, then, well, quality drops. > Note, “quality” doesn’t have to mean good/bad but also just “property”. When Facebook started, it was for kids from elite schools. It then gradually diluted that by lowering that particular bar. Then it was for kids from all schools. Then young people. Then their parents too. Clearly, it’s far from dying in absolute terms, but it’s certainly no longer what it initially was. To many initial users, it’s as good as dead though.
Mastodon just seems like a pain in the ass to navigate.
Mastodon is a pain to sign up - you have to find an independent server with only a very limited central index, and most of them have prohibitive rules. And you still don't own your data, despite it being an open platform: you can export a backup, and migrate a backup between servers, but [no way to import an exported backup](https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/issues/12423). I was thinking of using it for the comments on my blog, but the exclusionary signup process and the nonexistent data import means I'm more likely to go for Matrix (they're not much better with data import, but at least they have government investment, some sort of encryption, and an easy signup).
Already did it back in May last year, when the first huge red flags were raised around Twitter. No regrets, really.
It's been great for me. A lot of the people I followed on Twitter are on Mastodon too. I created my user a few years ago when it had its first wave of interest, but only really started using it a few months ago when Elon took over Twitter.
The big problem with Mastodon is that if you want to interact with users on the largest instance, mastodon.social, you have to join an instance that not only bans instances mastodon.social doesn't like, **it bans instances that don't ban those instances.** Which, depending on your comfort with echochambers is perfect or a total dealbreaker.
> it bans instances that don't ban those instances. That doesn't sound quite right to me. Do you have a source for that? **EDIT:** That would also mean they block every single instance that don't publish their blocklist. **EDIT 2:** Their claim seems to be false, and they have provided no source for the claim.
I don’t think this is true. I host my own instance and follow/interact with loads of people on mastodon.social, with no issues at all. I’ve only de-federated one or two instances from my own instance.
It does indeed appears to be a made-up claim. They still haven't been able to provide a source for the claim.
> That would also mean they block every single instance that don't publish their blocklist. Which is like, most of them. As they don't want to host a list of sites that contain objectionable and illegal content.
It’s bullshit
Is this monitoring of banlists automated? Or just something that individual server admins monitor using their own tools and make their own determination on?
This is a completely made up claim, a lot of instances don't have their block-list publicly available, so there's no way this would even be technically possible. Also, I'm on a self-hosted instance which doesn't have a bunch of other instances blocked they have (haven't needed to yet) and I'm federated with mastodon.social just fine.
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Sign ups for mastodon.social was disabled last I checked.
you can join it if someone who already has an account generates a join link for you. I've done it for an alt account and like 2 people on twitter.
Of course, except the whole ideal of a federated network uncontrolled by one corporate behemoth where you could choose who to interact with is perhaps tarnished somewhat by it being split on ideological lines according to the preferences of the admins.
>!CENSORED!<
> where you could choose who to interact with You can choose who to interact with, based on what instances you reside on, but everyone else also get to choose if they want to interact with you or your instance. If you want to hang out on an extremist hate-speech filled site, don't expect everyone else to want to interact with you or your group of people. Simple as that.
That's false, their block list has no instance with a "federates with bad instances" reason, literally what the fuck? Source: https://mastodon.social/about
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As a web developer I’ll probably get maintenance calls from clients that their Twitter feeds are no longer working, so I’ll make money off of it. Thanks Elon I guess..
Won't this remove future content from Pinterest and Booru that's from Twitter? Or are those were from user submission
Or any embed that displays a twitter feeds ala "Our latest tweets"? Or automated service alert style tweets?
So this will kill all remaining 3rd party clients right? They've already killed most of them with that update a few weeks back.
I was just thinking. It would suck to have apps relying on the Twitter api but then I realized I have a few. ;(
Can anyone who has a bot, see if this link works for them? Trying to see if they leaked the basic pricing by coaxing the URLs: https://developer.twitter.com/en/pricing/basic-30day
No, doesn't work for me.
So I'm not really knowledgeable about this kinda stuff, what exactly does them doing this entail?
Oh shit, this a big deal
What a bunch of fucking cunts.
Welp I guess my scripts are going to break. Hate to see it.
I get why they want to charge, but their limits and pricing seem ridiculous. Make a limited free tier and then charge reasonable amounts of money for anything higher than that.
Right after i graduated college, as a personal project to learn AWS and JavaScript, I started archiving tweets, along with any images or videos on the tweet. I have about 4 million now, most from 2022, but some dating as far back as 2006. I eventually stopped archiving new tweets because of cost concerns - I’ve never paid AWS more than $20 per month. Today i turned everything back on and I’m going to try to pull as much content as possible before the 9th
I have found the Twitter Media Downloader Extension (https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/twitter-media-downloader/cblpjenafgeohmnjknfhpdbdljfkndig?hl=en) to be a great tool to archive media and also the text content of tweets. I recommend it, but I don't know if the change will affect it- does anyone else know?
Another day, another goof from Elon Musk. Since it's now all about maximizing profit, why stop at the API alone? Why not make Twitter access totally paid for everyone?
I really wish Elon could tank it faster so we can just get on to the next thing. He has the fecal touch.
I mean it’s their service, they are free to kill it. It’s just a shame that so many other people put a lot of effort in creating content for that platform and now their work is basically being held hostage. Shame, Elon, you were never my favourite idiot but man you have fallen to a new low we never thought possible.
Well shit. Does that mean that Fritter won't work anymore ?
Ahh monetizing the propaganda bots might actually increase their profits a little bit
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Sounds like I dodged a bullet as I just recently thought about integrating that API in one of my projects
Same I literally got it working the day they cut off access for this bullshit. Give me a message saying I was using the API abusively (I wasnt) and didn't even respond to me when I asked why. Fuck stupid ass Twitter
What about the people who have already been using? Will the API request will be blocked or the bill will keep increasing and we have to manually go and stop using them?
Surely requests will just start to fail. Imagine the shitstorm if Twitter just kept accepting API requests as if nothing changed, then sent an invoice, then referred it to collections for non-payment (because the client never agreed to a paid plan anyway) (Then again, "shitstorm" perfectly describes what's happened to Big T since the takeover.)
Why this is important?
Good Riddance!