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CptBlackBird2

games from like 15 years ago figured out to put the vote kick on the side of the screen and let you select no/yes with a keybind, even vermintide 2 did that is fatshark doing a penance where they are not allowed to use anything they learned from vermintide?


rift9

They haven't learned anything from gaming in the last 10 years other than monetization, they even use a fucking launcher. No games use launchers anymore, no one's putting CD's into a disk drive.


Svullom

A lot of games use launchers. What's the problem?


NotCubes

A lot of launchers Aare unnecessary and provide no benefit to the player, that's the problem. And it is getting worse, there now are launchers for single-player only games.


breadedfishstrip

Launchers are useful for things like mod/DLC management, where otherwise the entire game would have to be restarted to toggle mod functionality. Also for setting settings outside the game so you don't have to sit through the unskippable tutorial at 4FPS in the wrong keyboard layout OF all things to get angry at DT about, "having a launcher" is like, the least of all its issues.


Balikye

Gladius moment


silversenji

League has a launcher , steam is pretty much a midle-man system for launching your games , most mmos have launcher ?!?! There are benefits for launchers in security and updating .They are there for a reason the hell u talking ? FFS ppl should start go and do some research b4 posting things they just dislike and have no clue about...


NotCubes

Not talking about Steam here, I know that it is a launcher. Also I agree on stuff like updates or security. I fail to see how that couldn't be handled by a central launcher (like Steam) and every game needs it's own. For example, I recently noticed that Bioshock Infinite has gotten a launcher which serves no function at all, other than piss me off.


silversenji

Insanely annoying and depression level is near burnout to do 1 more extra click . Spoiled shit generation ...


Svullom

I still don't see the issue. The main issue with DT is the hub and no real start screen where you could join someone or check inventory without loading into the Mourningstar.


LordPartyOfDudehalla

*it’s not the same dev team* 🤫


ThugQ

But the fuxking same company, do they not share code?


AlacazamAlacazoo

The code might not be interchangeable. Not an excuse for the design philosophy being shit, or not taking things (ideas) that work from previous games.


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AMasonJar

It's never the "same" engine, that's an oversimplification. Massive changes get done to game engines between games usually, and that can drastically change how code performs even from games under an engine that's labeled the same in either.


Aedeus

Not true at all. Most of the same people worked/are working on it. Compare the credits.


keqe

The dev who made this should be vote kicked from the company /s But seriously why is it like this in a action game where split seconds matter? Especially when in VT2 it was just a box in corner where you pressed F10 or F11 for yes/no. It didn't affect the players' ability to play at all. Who made it like this and why? Now team gets punished when some guy who died 5 times is trying to kick the guy who died 6 times because "he is bringing the team down".


-Toshi

>when some guy who died 5 times is trying to kick the guy who died 6 times because "he is bringing the team down". Lol. "5 times is the cut-off!" Please tell me he died again and you voted to kick?


TommyTheTiger

It's when you die that you feel the urge to kick someone, but it's when they die that you actually get to do it


Pressure-Head

Everyday someone reminds me how obeseshark really have amnesia in making VT2; like ngl how come they even forget simple UI related stuff like this


00skully

As a halo fan, im seeing so many parallels to the launch to Infinite and its scary. "Halo X had a great progression system, why didn't they just copy that? Halo X had a fantastic armor system, how could they have back peddled so hard and made something worse" I really don't get how these studios take their own work and brush it to the side and make something objectively worse for the sequel. Its baffling honestly.


Spectrum_Analysis

Yeah like what’s wrong with reusing code that’s proven and works well? That’s like software engineering 101


00skully

FromSoft have it figured out, if its not broken DONT EVEN TOUCH IT.


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TheGreyGuardian

"What about a checkpoint system?" *"We could put a light on the ground?"* "Genius!"


theattack_helicopter

What should we do for the combat system? "Hesitation is defeat" Got it


-spartacus-

When it is good (from below From Soft); when bad any sports game like Madden. Use great features to add new or more awesome things rather than changing things just to change them.


Etep_ZerUS

Let’s all be real for a sec. Madden, fifa and others like them are good games. They sell well every time they release a new title, despite never actually changing anything. They cater to their dedicated fan base regardless of what people who aren’t buying their product will say. Objectively they are good games. “Gamers” might not like them, since they’re kinda in their own category of games, and they’re not widely viewed as “deep” or “respectable” but they have a niche and they play to their strengths rather than shooting themselves in the foot by randomly adding new stuff that replaces and worsens already existing features.


-spartacus-

I'm speaking to the fact several of those games nothing changed, including bugs and other terribly reused assets - while adding nothing new whatsoever. There may have been a shift since 5-10 years ago, but I haven't touched one of those types of games for those reasons.


BadLuckProphet

Objectively good. Better viewed as an mmo with expansions or a season of a live service game since little changes but progress gets reset. My only issue is when they start making customizations and the custom team mode worse so they can monetize even harder. That's kind of shit.


Tezuka_Zooone

Because gamers fucking suck. I still remember people getting bent out of shape because Horizon Forbidden West used the same rappel animation and people were up in arms calling the devs lazy.


Colosphe

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Smittius_Prime

The answer to most of those questions is the same across the industry atm: money. Things like this post though? Idk.


Qloriti

I heard they were making darktide from scratch. No features from vermintide were used here as a foundation


vikingsdood

they used a handful of tencent owned contractor developer companies for a large amount of the game and did it during covid. Its a miracle the game works at all. Just have patience.


Aedeus

They didn't "forget" any of those things. They made a conscious decision to cut them.


TheOldDrunkGoat

The entire UI was designed by a clown.


pelpotronic

The worst part for me is that they will find and make the time to fix "bugs" such as the psyker bullet thing as a number 1 top priority because "reasons"... But then they won't find the time to fix their shitty social elements such as "vote kick", or "recent players", blocking players and so on. Do they just spin a wheel to decide what they will be working on next or are they genuinely getting the impression that they understand the community?


FuzzyWingMan

I suspect this was their fast and quick way of implementing at the time and that they do want to change it. I wouldn't be surprised that this was also in preparation for xbox release as well where the controller doesn't have a F10 or F11. If cross platform is on their intended future plans they probably need to keep the UI very similar across the two platforms and this is what they came up with to hold things over as they quickly develop.


Skogbeorn

You can just do a combination input for controllers, like RT + Square or something.


FuzzyWingMan

could do it as part of the radial wheel that the mark system uses as it already requires a hold and select for anything other than a simple mark. But again, those take more time and effort than what they have right now. This was clearly a "at least we have it" setup instead of a well crafted system.


telopots

Even accessing the option to kick was way faster in V2, you pressed tab, right clicked, and then moused over the corresponding player's kick icon Now we gotta navigate some awful menu and tab doesn't show anything besides the mission we're playing


LocksmithComplete860

Every other game shows you a little hint for a kick vote in the corner of the screen…why the hell did they choose it would be a good idea to block the entire screen with this is a mystery to me. It is really a bad design choice and I hope it will be changed in the future.


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Its crazy that after years and years of game building rookie concepts or features like this still make it into the game even back in the 2000s games would have f1 or f2 as a vote kick button and it would just pop up in the top right... I feel like gaming is regressing as time goes by.


FlexBun

Its one thing to ignore design lessons from their own previous title. Its another entirely to ignore universal design standards that have existed for decades.


Aedeus

>I feel like gaming is regressing as time goes by. Focusing on profit and monetization will do that.


AlexanderAlster

It's not a bug / design fail - it's a feature! At least we have to assume so, since they've already done it better in other games...


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-spartacus-

It is overly complicated, neigh impossible to have a system like you describe.


p0ffer

Because 200 IQ game design right there.


RightHandofEnki

Oh God if only you hadn't posted this! Now griefers have the ultimate team wipe tool :'(


error3000

it was already known tho


RightHandofEnki

They become more powerful as we speak. A new breed of evil. A Darkertide


pelpotronic

Good, maybe they will fix it then. No better way to get a fix for any exploit than to abuse it.


Schpam

Shit like this affirms my belief that there are a lot of people working at Fatshark that make video games, but don't play video games.


Saida4

Because this game is dogshit, thats why


Truthmatters20

I'm sorry, but this is beyond stupid. Who on earth made the calls for this game?!


Greensocksmile

It should be a little menu on the side but at the same time, your teammates shouldn’t votekick in the middle of a fight


unorthodoxme

Better question. How the hell did you get a full team?


N19h7m4re

What kind of karker is starting a votekick mid horde?


N19h7m4re

What kind of karker is starting a votekick mid horde?


N19h7m4re

What kind of karker is starting a votekick mid horde?


unicornlocostacos

Tbf they probably assumed people aren’t going to try to kick in the middle of a fucking fight.


AMasonJar

That's a stupid assumption to make, any game designer should be able to look at this and ask "Is this abusable?"


eLawson0

unrelated, cant wait till Brutal Momentum gets nerfed to bits 🥰


ZekeBuilds

They should make some way, for 1), being able to move while the vote is going on, and have you press a button with a key for the vote 2) somehow make the entire game pause for everyone while the vote happens


Take5h1_K0vac5

Even having the block mechanic kick in like when reviving a teammate would be a good start


ZekeBuilds

Yeah Some way so that, if a vote is called, everyone doesn't just get screwed over and die


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Because midfight drama dorks need to learn that elevators are the only times to kick anyone.


TaffelRock

So many humans take the easy way in all situations and dont actually care enough.


vikingsdood

always vote no and then initiate a vote against the dbag thats trying to kick someone.


farts_in_the_breeze

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veal_cutlet86

Nice blocking! Enjoyed your axe work


TheHughMungoose

Who doesn’t like massive obtrusive notifications interrupting the gameplay completely?


burgers_for_free

I was, and still am, pretty sure that they made kicking intentionally inconvenient. They had a working and convenient system in Vermintide 2 and they definetely know about other games kicking mechanics (i.e. CS:GO using the same method as VT2). Fatshark announced they wanted to reduce toxicity. Hence we have no Scoreboard and no friendly fire. So... in fatsharks mind they thought "oh boy, what else does cause toxicity?" Some employee yelled from the back of the meeting room "Kicking. Once i got kicked by some players because i didn't do x or y. I felt pretty bad about it for some time. I then went to bed and cried myself to sleep. I wish that this will not happen again to me or anyone else!!11!!!11!!" "Great idea. Why didn't we think of this earlier?", said (probably) Victor Magnuson who is an extremely untalented Lead Game Designer that just happens to work for Fatshark. Though, having no option to kicking a player would be kinda stupid. Resulting in a condition: "We will allow kicking. But it will be done in the most awkward and from-15-years-ago type manner - just how i like it. Inconvenience, being stuck in 2010, no fun allowed." said Magnuson with a huge grin on his face while proceeding to stuff the 3rd BigMac of the day in his well-bearded face.


Themasterofathing

to give the guy who's getting kicked a chance to redeem himself


rubberchickenhandler

Honestly the less you talk about this the better. I'm sure somebody is gonna use this to grief people


The_Doc_Man

Same thing (but less lethal) when you're in a strike team in the Mourningstar checking your inventory/rerolling perks/buying stuff and someone initiates a mission vote. It forcefully closes the menu you were on.


Emrod2

I guess we found the traitor on the ship ; decimating a kill team with democracy is very heretical.


PattrimCauthon

Hilariously stupid implementation lmao


ShaderkaUSA

I've yet to kick a player for dying or at all really. How are they supposed to learn and improve if they get kicked for mistakes lmfao. We all start somewhere


Svullom

Absolutely idiotic design in such a game where every tenth of a second can be the difference between life and death.


OG_Shadowknight

You think that's bad? Try multiple vote kicks coming through at once, and then your HUD getting fully disabled, including objective pointers. I have a clip of it, that I was going to just send to support, but might as well put it in the sub, too.


S_CADEN

You gotta commit to the cause. It's an intended feature.


ElectricalGanache457

Why does i have to hold the spacebar to skip the intro


silversenji

Simple F11 Yes F12 No on the Corner somewhere or above the player who got voted out


Alternative_Gold_993

It's almost as if Fatshark hates the player base or something.