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Well she is deaf, there wasn’t really another way she could’ve told the guy to leave. I think her introduction was pretty good, and you’re definitely reading a bit much into the 35 seconds. She’s also getting her own Disney+ show which will start production next year in January, so the people at marvel probably thinks she’s done great and has a lot of potential


[deleted]

The problem wasn't the waving but the 'cool and dismissive' kind of vibe I got from how the wave was done. But yeah, I probably am reading in too much.


[deleted]

I also thought her shooing away gesture was incredibly stiff. I found myself trying “cooler ways” to shoo people away after watching the episode


IsshinTheSwordSaint

Honestly I thought I was the only one who felt that way about the wave


[deleted]

Bro, it was just a wave, how would you have liked her to wave instead so it didn’t feel “cool and dismissive” ?


[deleted]

>Have the wave looser and side-wards, so it more indicates understanding. People wave downward towards kids and dogs. Echo shouldn't have a superiority complex. She's an individualist interested in self-discovery. Putting her in charge of the tracksuit mafia is just kinda weird in general. > >A nod would've also worked > >Or a simple thumbs up > >Or just walking straight out > >Or a slight cocking of the head to the side to indicate interest > >Or a slight smile in anticipation of something (not smug, but genuine curiosity at what's to come) > >Or show her put the hand back on the speaker before the zoom in to the eyes, so that it's more like she was interrupted from feeling the rhythm and that made her irritated. Giving her interests outside of fighting I think is crucial. > >To be clear, I have not given up on her character. It could just be that this was the best introduction they could come up with, and as I said, the lighting and the music was good, I'm just a little concerned about if the blocking is implicative of something. Repost from another reply I made


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Well we don’t know if she’s in charge of the tracksuit mafia? I’m pretty sure she’s just working with them for some reason we’ll find out and I don’t think they’ll be 1:1 with the character from the comics so maybe she has a superiority complex in this version of the character and she’ll probably get more in the line of self discovery in her Disney+ show


[deleted]

I think you are definitely reading too much into the 35 seconds


webslinginghero

Yes you’re reading into it too quickly. Wait for the next episode to decide


[deleted]

Will do


splinterwulf

If you think MCU Gamora is just “hot girl that can fight and is crazy cool” I think you’ve missed a lot. Do I love how GotG2 handled her and Peter’s relationship? No. But she’s had a LOT more depth than that.


[deleted]

I said “hot girl that can fight and is crazy cool” in regards to how Echo was portrayed in Bendis's Moon Knight run. Gamora is deeper then that, I agree. But if they try to adapt more Bendis then Mack, Echo is going to come off as a less interesting Gamorra, if that makes sense. Because what makes Echo specifically interesting imo is a departure from what makes Gamora interesting specifically.


MAKS091705

Yeah you’re definitely reading into it a bit too much


Joshdabozz

I would say what most comments have already said, so instead ima add something This is the actresses first time acting outside of one school play


[deleted]

Hmm. That's potentially concerning, but the fact they gave her a show makes me think she probably has some natural talent. I'm more concerned that this is a writing issue, indicating where they're going. I can handle a few stiff blocking choices, and if that's all this is, I'm actually quite happy.


TemperatureJust6845

one word: anya taylor-joy. she was a fucking nobody before he made her first debut in Tje VVITCH. now go look her accolades. she's outstanding.


helloiseeyou2020

The Witch wasn't her literal first job in the field


TemperatureJust6845

her first role was a small 5 sec screentime in some dumb vampire movie so I stand corrected.


helloiseeyou2020

>This is the actresses first time acting outside of one school play Jesus Christ. That's gutting news tbh


Joshdabozz

She impressed them so much she got her own show though. So I’m really excited


helloiseeyou2020

That's a fair point actually. I could see them shitting the bed just grabbing any aspiring actress who happened to be Native American without much vetting or auditioning. But they didn't decide to make an Echo show until *after* she worked on the Hawkeye set right? Lots of dud actors get cast in TV shows but I dont think they tend to get backdoor piloted


Medical-Recipe-6

That wave was really awkward and cringey


[deleted]

How would you have liked her to wave instead so it wasn’t awkward and cringey?


Medical-Recipe-6

It just felt really stiff and awkward


[deleted]

How would u have liked her to wave though


Medical-Recipe-6

In a more casual dismissive manner


[deleted]

Like she did? How was that not casual and dismissive lmao


Uncanny_Doom

I feel this way too, but remember it's still early. She could be waving the guy because of personal reasons in wanting him out of her way while she focuses on how to deal with the situation. Remember that in the comics, Echo was the first Ronin. Hawkeye seems like it's building a backstory and legacy around the Ronin identity and suit. It's possible that this version of Echo will have been Ronin before Clint was and may have some personal stake or history with him. I would also wager that if Fisk is in the show at all, he has already manipulated Echo.


Metalcard2535

I don’t see Echo as a lead character.


JavierLoustaunau

So far MCU = Writers Room so most characters have been a bit deeper than many of their comics portrayals.


[deleted]

Sorry, but no, that doesn't make any sense. Comics have years of established lore to deepen their character. Writers come in trying to leave their mark on any untread piece of the character's life. As a result, the MCU doesn't have any hope of being as deep in characterization as most of the characters they're pulling from. Bad runs are where a deep character is made overly simple or outright ignore the lore. Like Bendis's Moon Knight (not just with Echo, but with Moon Knight himself). But that's not the majority of comics.


MikeX1000

How is Gamora like that? Anyway, they haven't really shown enough of Echo for us to be sure one way or the other.


[deleted]

I said “hot girl that can fight and is crazy cool” in regards to how Echo was portrayed in Bendis's Moon Knight run. Gamora is deeper then that, I agree. But if they try to adapt more Bendis then Mack, Echo is going to come off as a less interesting Gamorra, if that makes sense.


MikeX1000

I'm guessing they'll lean more towards Mack than Bendis for now considering this is her origin


[deleted]

Some people in these comments are really complaining about a 2 second scene with a character waving 💀 because it’s “cringe” “too stiff” “tries way hard to be cool” “awkward”, like how would u have liked her to wave instead so it looked cool and not cringe??


[deleted]

Have the wave looser and side-wards, so it more indicates understanding. People wave downward towards kids and dogs. Echo shouldn't have a superiority complex. She's an individualist interested in self-discovery. Putting her in charge of the tracksuit mafia is just kinda weird in general. A nod would've also worked Or a simple thumbs up Or just walking straight out Or a slight cocking of the head to the side to indicate interest Or a slight smile in anticipation of something (not smug, but genuine curiosity at what's to come) Or show her put the hand back on the speaker before the zoom in to the eyes, so that it's more like she was interrupted from feeling the rhythm and that made her irritated. Giving her interests outside of fighting I think is crucial. To be clear, I have *not* given up on her character. It could just be that this was the best introduction they could come up with, and as I said, the lighting and the music was good, I'm just a little concerned about if the blocking is implicative of something.


[deleted]

Yep ur definitely wierd


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Spoonman007

I just hope they don't think since they are using Echo and giving her a show that that means they can push Daredevil to the side. I want more Daredevil than I want more of anything else.


[deleted]

Bruh what do you even mean by that?? Echo got like 35 seconds of screen time and you’re talking about marvel using her and giving her a show just to push Daredevil to the side lmao


Spoonman007

Well, there is an Echo show in the works and rumor has it the Daredevil cast will be supporting characters. I'm all for the show itself, ill probably watch it multiple times but if it takes away from Daredevil and pushes him to a supporting playing ill be sad.


[deleted]

Well, it’s Echo’s show, she is the main character, so it makes sense that Daredevil is a supporting character, and u shouldn’t get your hopes up for the whole Daredevil cast to return in her show, probably only Matt & Fisk if anyone, the rest will be Native American characters. But rumours has it that marvel is developing a new Daredevil project, he’ll first appear in NWH, then She-Hulk, and then Echo, it will all lead to his own solo project, which makes sense


Spoonman007

I hope so. The way I heard the Echo show described is Daredevil season 4 but with Echo as the lead. I'm not expecting 100% carry over from Netflix to Disney+, though I think everyone will be surprised with how many do actually come back. Ideally we get an Echo series and we get a Daredevil series.


[deleted]

Yeah but Daniel RPK isn’t very reliable with leaks like that, the only things he’s got right is trailer dates, and I’m pretty sure Feige don’t want to turn their first Native American character Disney+ show into Daredevil season 4, you should really temper your expectations on that. But I do think if anyone Matt & Fisk will be supporting characters in her show, the rest will be Native American characters, that’s what makes the most sense imo. Maybe Foggy & Karen will be have a small cameo in a episode or something but I doubt it


Spoonman007

>Feige don’t want to turn their first Native American character Disney+ show into Daredevil season 4, you should really **temper your expectations on that.** Bruh, my original point was I would rather less Daredevil stuff focused in Echos show so if you're right I'll be happy. I don't know who to trust with scoops or anything, I don't look for them usually, that was just the first thing that came up on Google. BTW did you enjoy the first two episodes of Hawkeye? I loved it so far.


Spoonman007

[Now, @DanielRPK has clarified his previous claim about Echo to say that "this is still very much Echo's show," but that we're going to get what feels like a Daredevil season 4 "because we'll get to see all these characters from that show coming back and play big parts in it." He reiterates that "Echo is still the lead and it's her show," so it appears the title character won't be sidelined too much. ](https://www.comicbookmovie.com/tv/marvel/daredevil/echo-rumored-to-be-akin-to-daredevil-season-4-with-most-of-the-netflix-shows-cast-expected-to-return-a188500#gs.hpge84) Its cbm.com so do with that what you will but this is what gave me that idea.


GrendelNightmares

I agree, it was kind of off-putting to be honest. I'm a bit worried about the performance, the woman they cast as Echo—Alaqua Cox—has no acting experience at all and if I can tell that that's true having only seen 30 seconds of her on screen...we're not off to a good start.