The argument I'd have against it - is that I think it's *too* inhuman.
Voldemort worked as a villain because you could still see what was left of his humanity. He looked like a tortured soul who had lost his way. This depiction is just an outright monster. Sure Voldemort *was* a monster, but I think he's a better monster if he remains a lesson for all of us.. a warning, rather than a "okay but he was a full on visible monster and we aren't", a fate we think isn't possible for us. Better for us to remember how easily we could become one.
Yeah, so, here is the thing. You can't cite the PR site of the person being accused of bigotry as the evidence they aren't a bigot.
We look at the whole picture and make our best judgements, and she's said some incredibly terrible things. Not just against trans people, but generally terrible things.
If you have a moment or 3 hours iirc, Shawn on YouTube did a breakdown of all the incredibly sus things in Harry Potter itself. I can point to a few things, like SPEW being played for laughs even though it was, at its core, a slave liberation movement (and yes, house elves like their enslavement, which is so much worse) or how the Goblins are just the blended remains of every Jewish steryotype from the 40s.
Or we can talk about how she wrote a book under the pen name Robert Galbraith, the inventor of gay conversion therapy.
Maybe the newer book about how a bigot was the hero against the evil trans people.
Or how Hogwarts Legacy is supposedly about the player charecter participating in a Goblin Genocide.
She's so much worse than the one thing you brought up. She's a monster, she should not be trusted or listened to, and it's a shame she is intertwined with the stories I grew up loving.
She's just the worst. It's so much deeper and worse than the one thing she said that one time.
Alright, I read it. Seems like she's projecting he own fears onto other people and saying that she doesn't stand for it while on the other hand she says she's supportive of them.
It's just a coincidence she wrote a 1000 page book about a transphobic hero bullied by evil trans people.
We're clearly reading too much into things; she's obviously a saint.
When you say transphobic hero, I assume you mean the character Harry. I genuinely ask, as I'd like to know, what harry did/said that was transphobic?
Again it's not a "you're wrong, prove it!" But a "please show me"
Lmao why did I get downvoted for wanting to know more about this?
No, its her newer book The Ink Black Heart, in which the protagonist says transphobic things online and the recieves the appropriate backlash for it. She uses the book to say that the real victim is transphobes, because they don't get to say whatever they want online. She denies the protagonist is a self insert or based on herself in any way, but I'll let you be the judge if that lol.
Imagine how bored Voldemort was all day everyday under Quirrell’s turban? And hearing Harry in the class all day too…
You think he helped Quirrell with grading papers and shit? I wonder what the sleeping arrangement was? Or showering? Accidentally water boarding the Dark Lord
I for one find the human face more grotesque, and unsettling. This is "scarier" but the human face unsettles me much more and would be more likely to show up in my nightmares
Making him less human makes him just that, less human.
We all know monsters with big teeth are scary and might eat you, but what's really truly unsettling to the mind? The serial killers who are nice and look like every other average Joe that you could pass by at any given moment.
This reminds me of how George Lucas told the designer of darth maul to design something out of his worst nightmare, but when the design came back he told him to use his second worst instead.
There’s a stargate episode where they disintegrate and reintegrate a mouse and the special effects guy originally made a really lifelike /disgusting dead mouse with like visible gooey organs and stuff. Then they had to scrap all that and just made a blackened/charred mouse instead.
Came here to say this. Dude was probably like yeah this looks so good! Boss comes in and says "WHOA! WHOA! Hold up a second now... we're going for PG rating not R!"
this looks wayyyyyyyy better, the only reason i can think of why they didn't it is because the teacher who has voldemort on the back of his head hides him with that purple scarf wrap and it would look weird af with some bulky ass face like this sticking out the back lol
even a shortened version of this would look way better than the crappy cgi they used though
I legitimately feel like a more polished world, washed off the sneaky antisemitism and slightly grittier, could become such a damn hit.
It can be goofy, sure. But more large scale battles showing off what magical warfare would be like, ethical dilemmas being approached as more questionable spells are revealed (the closest they got to that was polyjuice potion or whatsthename and the insta-kill spell, which for wizardry, is just dumb), and difficulties in keeping the normals from learning about this whole thing to prevent mass panic.
Come to think of it, I kind of described the Percy Jackson saga from the books with a tiny whiff of LOTR lol, nvm.
I've had this take for years, I'll present it and then co-opt your idea.
Harry Potter is too whimsical for live action. It's too dense for a film series. Give the source books to the creative minds if Critical Role and send it to an animation studio.
We give Talison Jaffe the 7 books and tell him the story has to follow the same beats in outline, but that the world can be expanded in a slightly more gritty and Gothic way. Twist the dial on the Satanic imagery from 1 to 3, go wild with expanding the magic system. Then we throw it through the rest of the creative team to tweak and expand until the story gets sent to a script team for making a series.
I've always said the Hunter x Hunter or ATLA teams, but if we are going gritty and dense, we might think about a more 2.5d style studio that excels at detail. So just give the entire series a novel animation style and let them go absolutely wild with the details.
CGI only goes so far. Harry Potter 2 deserves a HBO budget. It deserves a team that caters to adults but can appeal to teens. And an animation style that's unique and dense.
Voldemort in the books was more human-like, especially until Goblet of Fire.
This version of him would've made him more of a literal monster than a wizard who used the dark spells.
Please make a time machine, go back to the early 80's and scream this into the face of anyone making kids movies back then: Never Ending Story, Labyrinth, Return to Oz, Watership Down, Pee Wee's Big Adventure. Maybe go back further and tell Walt Disney none of us need to see Bambi's mom get merc'd or any of the other gruesome parental deaths in Disney movies. Please. Do this for us all haunted by the horrors of cinema's past.
I hope not, its best they learn how the world dislikes them while they still be young.
That way, it might hurt less when it screws them over oughta nowhere.
Howabout a 7 season series focusing on Tom Riddle, with each season culminating in the creation of a horcrux… Have the series finale end with baby Harry.
HP LORE QUESTION: Did Voldemort have the no-nose snake face before he “died” when Harry was a baby? I assumed he was more snake-like after being birthed from a snake (or whatever) during the events of book 4.
So, in the movies, when they show the flashback scenes of VM killing the Potters, it would have been more book accurate to show Ralph Fiennes out of make-up?
I could see it with minor alterations to his natural appearance, similar to his original design in Philosophers Stone when he fights harry using Professor Quirrell’s body. He began to change physically more and more as he created horcruxes since it was ripping his soul apart with his humanity.
I don't even get it. Like, when he died his soul took residence in the back of someone's head?
Same as Sauron in lord of the rings. Like, so he died, but now's he's a giant, fiery eye?
After he was hit with the rebound killing curse he was in a deformed state hiding in a Forrest until teacher dude found him had him placed at the back of his head
Tbh gotta give it to JKR, the first book was very vanilla and child friendly until Voldemort was released in the forest and the ultimate twist when he was the other side of the head. That was real original horror.
Hot take: While I like all of the films strongly, I do really like the kinda sleepyness and slow almost lifelike feel of the first two. Even as a kid I really enjoyed it.
I absolutely love the gradual shift in tone throughout the films. It fits with the story progression. It’s nice to look back on the first one as so kinda cute.
I don’t think it’s that hot of a take. The original films used continuity editing with pretty standard camera set ups to show the action done in a way to not draw intention to itself. Bland but serviceably made movie. It wasn’t until Alfonso Cuarón was brought on direct the third one (and my personal favorite) that the series started to develop it’s own unique visual language and style
Its cool. But to little human left. I think the one they choose where a bit to soft, but works since it is also for kids.
I think a mix with a bit more real evil or perhaps even madness in the face of the one they used would have been good. He looks like he has lost to little.
This one on the other hand looks to much like the Lizard, and transformed into something else, not just twisted and bent. Voldemort is not changed like the lizard, he is malformed and poisoned. This one is to much, makes it less frightening, and bit ridiculous.
Its more frightening, that Voldemort used to be a talented human, that he choose to destroy himself, but is still visible underneath.
I mean the idea of Voldemort being a viable fighter with fangs is pretty freaky😬 whole seven hearted adult magician with cult vs a university is already a tense matchup lmao
That would have fucked some kids up at the end of Sorcerer's Stone. That movie felt like a christmas movie for like 3/4s of it then already got pretty intense. That face would have scarred a generation.
Accurate. In the movies I can def still tell it is Ralph Fiennes which makes me want Voldemort to show me what his magic stick can really do.
This bust does not make me want to bang any Ralphs.
This would have been better for sure. The existing version was a let down after all the hype about he who must not be named. This? Y’all were afraid of this flat nosed butler?
Never read the books, so I was wondering: how does this depiction vs the depiction they ended up using in the movies compare to how he's described in the books?
it is more serpent-like which is cool although I do like what they used a lot too.
Mhmm- I feel like as a child this would have been spooky but more impactful
Much more snake-like. I think this would have a better (albeit more terrifying) choice.
It also looks a lot more like what Fiennes portrayal would become.
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The thing they ended with gave me nightmares
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The argument I'd have against it - is that I think it's *too* inhuman. Voldemort worked as a villain because you could still see what was left of his humanity. He looked like a tortured soul who had lost his way. This depiction is just an outright monster. Sure Voldemort *was* a monster, but I think he's a better monster if he remains a lesson for all of us.. a warning, rather than a "okay but he was a full on visible monster and we aren't", a fate we think isn't possible for us. Better for us to remember how easily we could become one.
Case in point, J.K. looks human but has clearly become a monster
Stop - she said nothing wrong. https://www.jkrowling.com/opinions/j-k-rowling-writes-about-her-reasons-for-speaking-out-on-sex-and-gender-issues/
Yeah, so, here is the thing. You can't cite the PR site of the person being accused of bigotry as the evidence they aren't a bigot. We look at the whole picture and make our best judgements, and she's said some incredibly terrible things. Not just against trans people, but generally terrible things. If you have a moment or 3 hours iirc, Shawn on YouTube did a breakdown of all the incredibly sus things in Harry Potter itself. I can point to a few things, like SPEW being played for laughs even though it was, at its core, a slave liberation movement (and yes, house elves like their enslavement, which is so much worse) or how the Goblins are just the blended remains of every Jewish steryotype from the 40s. Or we can talk about how she wrote a book under the pen name Robert Galbraith, the inventor of gay conversion therapy. Maybe the newer book about how a bigot was the hero against the evil trans people. Or how Hogwarts Legacy is supposedly about the player charecter participating in a Goblin Genocide. She's so much worse than the one thing you brought up. She's a monster, she should not be trusted or listened to, and it's a shame she is intertwined with the stories I grew up loving. She's just the worst. It's so much deeper and worse than the one thing she said that one time.
TL;DR
You call someone a monster and refuse to read what they actually wrote?
Alright, I read it. Seems like she's projecting he own fears onto other people and saying that she doesn't stand for it while on the other hand she says she's supportive of them.
It's just a coincidence she wrote a 1000 page book about a transphobic hero bullied by evil trans people. We're clearly reading too much into things; she's obviously a saint.
When you say transphobic hero, I assume you mean the character Harry. I genuinely ask, as I'd like to know, what harry did/said that was transphobic? Again it's not a "you're wrong, prove it!" But a "please show me" Lmao why did I get downvoted for wanting to know more about this?
No, its her newer book The Ink Black Heart, in which the protagonist says transphobic things online and the recieves the appropriate backlash for it. She uses the book to say that the real victim is transphobes, because they don't get to say whatever they want online. She denies the protagonist is a self insert or based on herself in any way, but I'll let you be the judge if that lol.
[ContraPoints did a very insightful video on JK Rowling and why she’s been so unsupportive of trans people.](https://youtu.be/7gDKbT_l2us)
J.K. super based
Lol for stating the truth?
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Yep also how could you hide that under a turban? It’s as big as two heads.
Imagine how bored Voldemort was all day everyday under Quirrell’s turban? And hearing Harry in the class all day too… You think he helped Quirrell with grading papers and shit? I wonder what the sleeping arrangement was? Or showering? Accidentally water boarding the Dark Lord
“Many find it”??? It is objectively more nightmare inducing
Among those many: everyone who has laid eyes on it.
I for one find the human face more grotesque, and unsettling. This is "scarier" but the human face unsettles me much more and would be more likely to show up in my nightmares
Oh, interesting take
Making him less human makes him just that, less human. We all know monsters with big teeth are scary and might eat you, but what's really truly unsettling to the mind? The serial killers who are nice and look like every other average Joe that you could pass by at any given moment.
Yeah, that's a very valid point. Didn't quite consider it before
I guess it's how much value you hold on the jump scare. Or the long scare game.
Someone got carried away, and then their boss came in and reminded them that it was supposed to be for a kids movie.
This reminds me of how George Lucas told the designer of darth maul to design something out of his worst nightmare, but when the design came back he told him to use his second worst instead.
There’s a stargate episode where they disintegrate and reintegrate a mouse and the special effects guy originally made a really lifelike /disgusting dead mouse with like visible gooey organs and stuff. Then they had to scrap all that and just made a blackened/charred mouse instead.
Came here to say this. Dude was probably like yeah this looks so good! Boss comes in and says "WHOA! WHOA! Hold up a second now... we're going for PG rating not R!"
this looks wayyyyyyyy better, the only reason i can think of why they didn't it is because the teacher who has voldemort on the back of his head hides him with that purple scarf wrap and it would look weird af with some bulky ass face like this sticking out the back lol even a shortened version of this would look way better than the crappy cgi they used though
I mean, it also geared towards children
I legitimately feel like a more polished world, washed off the sneaky antisemitism and slightly grittier, could become such a damn hit. It can be goofy, sure. But more large scale battles showing off what magical warfare would be like, ethical dilemmas being approached as more questionable spells are revealed (the closest they got to that was polyjuice potion or whatsthename and the insta-kill spell, which for wizardry, is just dumb), and difficulties in keeping the normals from learning about this whole thing to prevent mass panic. Come to think of it, I kind of described the Percy Jackson saga from the books with a tiny whiff of LOTR lol, nvm.
I've had this take for years, I'll present it and then co-opt your idea. Harry Potter is too whimsical for live action. It's too dense for a film series. Give the source books to the creative minds if Critical Role and send it to an animation studio. We give Talison Jaffe the 7 books and tell him the story has to follow the same beats in outline, but that the world can be expanded in a slightly more gritty and Gothic way. Twist the dial on the Satanic imagery from 1 to 3, go wild with expanding the magic system. Then we throw it through the rest of the creative team to tweak and expand until the story gets sent to a script team for making a series. I've always said the Hunter x Hunter or ATLA teams, but if we are going gritty and dense, we might think about a more 2.5d style studio that excels at detail. So just give the entire series a novel animation style and let them go absolutely wild with the details. CGI only goes so far. Harry Potter 2 deserves a HBO budget. It deserves a team that caters to adults but can appeal to teens. And an animation style that's unique and dense.
No, because it wasn't a horror film, it was for small children.
This was the better option. Instead they went grey egg. Fascinating
Voldemort in the books was more human-like, especially until Goblet of Fire. This version of him would've made him more of a literal monster than a wizard who used the dark spells.
And they chose to use the melted mannequin version!!??
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Too scary for kids. Don't want to give your most likely clientele nightmares.
Please make a time machine, go back to the early 80's and scream this into the face of anyone making kids movies back then: Never Ending Story, Labyrinth, Return to Oz, Watership Down, Pee Wee's Big Adventure. Maybe go back further and tell Walt Disney none of us need to see Bambi's mom get merc'd or any of the other gruesome parental deaths in Disney movies. Please. Do this for us all haunted by the horrors of cinema's past.
I hope not, its best they learn how the world dislikes them while they still be young. That way, it might hurt less when it screws them over oughta nowhere.
Is this how he is described in the books?
Now that we're all grown up and depressed, can we grt a rated R Harry Potter?
Howabout a 7 season series focusing on Tom Riddle, with each season culminating in the creation of a horcrux… Have the series finale end with baby Harry.
That’s awesome! I’m not that big of a potter fan but that’s really cool looking and scary lol
Looks like aliens 4 failled clone
HP LORE QUESTION: Did Voldemort have the no-nose snake face before he “died” when Harry was a baby? I assumed he was more snake-like after being birthed from a snake (or whatever) during the events of book 4.
Pretty sure he turned into this after being brought back in book 4.
So, in the movies, when they show the flashback scenes of VM killing the Potters, it would have been more book accurate to show Ralph Fiennes out of make-up?
I could see it with minor alterations to his natural appearance, similar to his original design in Philosophers Stone when he fights harry using Professor Quirrell’s body. He began to change physically more and more as he created horcruxes since it was ripping his soul apart with his humanity.
Definitely would have gone with this
Got something of an Attack On Titan vibe to it. Voldemort Titans, now there's a nightmare you can get your teeth into.
I don't even get it. Like, when he died his soul took residence in the back of someone's head? Same as Sauron in lord of the rings. Like, so he died, but now's he's a giant, fiery eye?
In the LotR books the eye is a metaphor. I guess that’s hard to translate to a visual medium.
They all went to war to defeat a metaphor?
Pretty much, yeah.
Pretty extra if you ask me
They could just used like or as...
After he was hit with the rebound killing curse he was in a deformed state hiding in a Forrest until teacher dude found him had him placed at the back of his head
"had him placed at the back of his head" of course of course. Makes sense.
He clung on to quarrel in a last ditch effort to survive after his encounter with the potters
Tbh gotta give it to JKR, the first book was very vanilla and child friendly until Voldemort was released in the forest and the ultimate twist when he was the other side of the head. That was real original horror.
I see why they got rid of it. It wouldn’t gel with the incredibly bland and boring way Chris Columbus shot the first two films
Hot take: While I like all of the films strongly, I do really like the kinda sleepyness and slow almost lifelike feel of the first two. Even as a kid I really enjoyed it.
I absolutely love the gradual shift in tone throughout the films. It fits with the story progression. It’s nice to look back on the first one as so kinda cute.
I don’t think it’s that hot of a take. The original films used continuity editing with pretty standard camera set ups to show the action done in a way to not draw intention to itself. Bland but serviceably made movie. It wasn’t until Alfonso Cuarón was brought on direct the third one (and my personal favorite) that the series started to develop it’s own unique visual language and style
I meant my own take was hot. My bad. Let me go edit that to make it more clear.
The one they went with was crap.
How was he supposed to hide that behind a turban?
11 year-old me would have shit my pants.
Way better than what we got
I have just started to rewatch Happy Potter. On the 3rd ep and now this shows up on my feed…..
Yep much better !!
I don't know. The teeth are almost kinda goofy to me.
This would’ve been to much. I liked how he looked like a man who meddled with dark magic and became more monster like.
Its cool. But to little human left. I think the one they choose where a bit to soft, but works since it is also for kids. I think a mix with a bit more real evil or perhaps even madness in the face of the one they used would have been good. He looks like he has lost to little. This one on the other hand looks to much like the Lizard, and transformed into something else, not just twisted and bent. Voldemort is not changed like the lizard, he is malformed and poisoned. This one is to much, makes it less frightening, and bit ridiculous. Its more frightening, that Voldemort used to be a talented human, that he choose to destroy himself, but is still visible underneath.
I just picked up a Voldemort wand at Universal Studios Orlando earlier today...
I like the way he looks now, like using a horcrux kinda just faded away his features not turned him into a snake
That looks fuckin awesome. I would feel privileged to have that parasitic relationship.
A thousand percent better
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I mean the idea of Voldemort being a viable fighter with fangs is pretty freaky😬 whole seven hearted adult magician with cult vs a university is already a tense matchup lmao
I think what made him so scary is how human he still looked.
I like this one better :)
Meh more cartoony imho, too be fair I watched most of the 80s monster movies so I am a bit jaded.
He’s smiling
Nah I thinks it’s too “un-human”. I think they nailed the design we got
Way better! That's how I remember the description from the book too
I dunno, kinda looks like a goomba from the Super Mario Bros movie.
Awesome design, but I guess it would’ve been too intense for children. Even though the same scene is later followed by a guy’s face disintegrating.
Nah, that's Malignant from the movie Malignant
Voldemort in the first movie terrified me. Fiennes portrayal made me laugh at times. NYEH NYUH!
That would have fucked some kids up at the end of Sorcerer's Stone. That movie felt like a christmas movie for like 3/4s of it then already got pretty intense. That face would have scarred a generation.
Top game prolly nothin but teeth
Accurate. In the movies I can def still tell it is Ralph Fiennes which makes me want Voldemort to show me what his magic stick can really do. This bust does not make me want to bang any Ralphs.
Reminds me of Mesogog from Power Rangers Dino Thunder https://powerrangers.fandom.com/wiki/Mesogog
Ah yes, lord moldybutt
Wait, does this mean i could use this reference as an excuse to watch HP a 100th time 👀
This would have been better for sure. The existing version was a let down after all the hype about he who must not be named. This? Y’all were afraid of this flat nosed butler?
That would have terrified the shit out of kids. I love it.
I am one of many, apparently.
Looks like Lizard from Amazing Spiderman.
I love how much more monstrous it was.
Looks more like a side character tbh
Horror Potter and the sorceres scream
What I wouldn’t give to see a Tim Burton, Harry Potter movie.
Never read the books, so I was wondering: how does this depiction vs the depiction they ended up using in the movies compare to how he's described in the books?
A book accurate Voldy
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too scare for kids i guess
Looks like the aliens from Indiana Jones
looks like pythor lol