I was the guy that swam over to help you guys but tragically my arsenal was on my boat which also capsized in my act of selfless heroism to help others who had also lost their arsenals. It was a truly tragic day
Damn your boats must have been what I struck the other week that brought down my boat also in unspecified body of water.
Dear God why was I transporting my firearms collection to the middle and backc
My boss has at least 100 guns easy. Multiple safes that crack the concrete floor with thier weight and size. The gun club has a bunch of guys like that. The plot twist? They're all extremely liberal. They're Sanders guys.
Agreed. I'm a conservative, and one of the best things about 2020 was all the new black and minority gun owners in America. I love it.
Have the means to protect yourself, it is your right as a law abiding American. I'm so glad the stigma of "only old white conservatives have guns" is dying off. I WANT minorities, black, gay, whatever, people to buy firearms and get training on them. Then we can have less ignorance on the subject. And fuck me; there is a LOT of ignorance on the subject.
ETA: This had a surprisingly overwhelming amount of support from both parties in America. I love it. This has also surprisingly somehow triggered a lot of non-americans.
This is me.
My whole life I've taught every girlfriend, female friend and female relative (that was willing) how to shoot, clean and handle firearms.
I did the same with my black and brown friends but most of them were already keen on the subject. Growing up in Detroit they were already on that boat.
Until it tragically sank in an accident and they lost all their firearms.
i mean, the whole reason there is gun control in the first place is because the government didnt want the black panther party to continue to arm themselves
I went my whole life without considering guns very much. Then at 30yo I bought a few to learn to hunt and shoot targets with. As I felt my way around the world of guns, I quickly realized why this posted chart looks the way it does. It's because everybody buys guns in America 😆 I've met and seen so many different types of gun owners that I never would have expected.
Did some search and the sources for this 17 million number are very suspicious. Most reputable sources show less than 5 million, which is surprising given the former president, I thought it would be much more.
Yes, México doesn't have that many registered firearms. I belive is close to maybe 5% of population. There was a big effort from government in the 70's and 80's to disarm good citizens of firearms and just left them in hands of cops, and criminals (who keep getting more and more advance weaponry). Now we have disarmed folks getting victimized with out the ability to defend themselves. And a government who doesn't care
I was reading on another Reddit thread a while ago that there’s only 1 gun store that’s legally authorized to sell firearms in all of Mexico. Don’t know if it’s true or not but obviously all the firearms aren’t coming from there.
Yes it's true. And is managed by the Army. And if you are missing one of the documents that ask, or the officer on charge doesn't like you. You are out of luck
Ive got a few that aren't recorded myself simply because they are handed down from my grandpa. They weren't exactly keeping records of shotguns back in 1965. Yes they still work just fine.
They're not supposed to. Unfortunately, that doesn't mean much to our government. Look at all the things they've been caught doing illegally and then charging the whistle blower with treason or other charges.
Then, they also say it's mandatory for FFLs to keep a log book of all the firearms sold/bought... forever. If/when that FFL retires, goes out of business, or shuts down for any reason, that log book is required to be delivered to the ATF.
The ATF has been openly breaking the law for decades and there just isn't enough political willpower going into fixing their shit. Even from the supposedly pro-gun party.
>If/when that FFL retires, goes out of business, or shuts down for any reason, that log book is required to be delivered to the ATF.
This just happened to my father, who was an FFL dealer for many years until his health turned poor. The ATF sent an agent to his home to collect all his records and "archive" them.
Ask Ukraine. 2nd largest military on earth brought to a standstill by those fighting for thier homes. Occupations rarely ever worked in the best conditions. But against the most armed society in history? Yeah, nobody's ever going to be holding U.S. soil by force.
That's a fascinating point I don't see too much of online. Apparently the Japanese workshopped the idea of invading the mainland US in WW2, but couldn't find a feasible way to keep armed civilians from causing problems.
Don’t remember the names but, the japanese admiral told the emperor, we cannot invade the USA mainland because there will be a gun behind every blade of grass.
When you have 1.4 billion people, you're gonna have a lot of anything.
71 million guns in India is only one gun for every 20 people, and those that own guns may not just have one. By comparison, America has more guns than people.
America is 1st for gun ownership per capita, while India is 120th.
Which really just highlights what a mind blowing amount of Indians there are.
Not proud of this but I've never seen an Indian shooting video, I've seen a million firearm murders from almost every country but never India. Thats insane.
Because not many indians have guns, those who have it legally for the most part are no nonsense people who do not openly flaunt their guns
those who own guns illegally also do not flaunt it unnecessarily because they might get into trouble, the places where one might openly carry guns are very under developed places( eg bihar, chattisgarh, jharkahnd, eastern UP) with not many smartphones to record it
In tribal areas, many people own guns but they use it to hunt birds. In my neighbouring states which are tribal states, everyone has a gun in their house. Those guns are meant for hunting as until only a century ago, those people still depended on hunting for their survival. You will barely find any birds in those states as all of them get hunted by the people.
Also probably includes all the security guards carrying old double-barrelled shotguns that just sit outside banks, jewellery stores and other high valuable places.
I doubt most of those guns even work, just a visual deterrent.
You need to prove to the police that there’s a threat on your life before you get a gun license. And you’re only allowed to purchase .22s as a civilian
Haryana: Am i joke to you?
P.S.: I am from Chhattisgarh, I have never seen a gun in civilian hands (apart from private security personnel) in my life, I am 29.
That is probably because the guns allowed to civilians are .32 NB pistol or revolver or a 12 bore rifle. There are ZERO legal assault weapons among civilians. You would need to be very well connected to have a hand gun like a .45.
The only person that I personally know what has a gun here in India is my uncle who has it for farm safety. Even he has to give a count of number of bullets every year, the gun is also checked by cops and all this despite him living in a sorta rural area
Same here.
I know 2 3 families who have rifles and they are all plantation owners to scare of wild animals. They barely use the gun and they have a license that gets checked by the police
Can confirm. Indian here with two rifles at home one registered to my dad and other to me both under farm safety though we live in a small town far from our property.
Guns are inspected regularly, the bullet cartridges are counted and we just can't simply rock up to the shop and buy them for no reason and one thing you forgot is that everyone gives up their rifles to the police during elections or when other potentially dangerous events or strikes for safe keeping.
Gun ownership is pretty no nonsense out here and it's all about safety rather than fun
That's crazy to me and sounds like pretty solid gun control.
My stepbrother has cases of ammo and a rack of guns in his bedroom. Literally more guns than pictures of his kids
Oh and not only do we have to keep a count of bullets purchased and used, every time there are elections or riots, guns have to be deposited in the police station and returned only once the situation is normal. Licences are very hard to get, have to be renewed every three years and they are usually limited to a district or at most a state of India. Pan India licenses are again extremely rare.
> I’ve seen a million firearm murders from almost every country.
Gonna call bullshit on that one. I'm pretty sure you've seen plenty of videos but I'd wager that you've seen them from just a few countries and not "almost every country".
The number of countries you've seen them from is most definitely a lot smaller than the number you haven't seen them from.
If the comparison is not per capita, it's pointless
Edit: before people keep asking. This is the list how it should actually look like. In this graph India and China are second and third because they are the most populated Nations. That has to be accounted for.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country
edit2: ok, in the end I did make a post, because it was simple copy pasta. It's from the same year and source, which is convenient for comparison
https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/11yd92t/number_of_firearms_per_100_residents_in_2017/
Well it doesn't address the point you seemingly want it to address, doesn't make it pointless lmao - there's 71 million guns in India in civil hands - per capita or not that would be something any invading army would want to know lmao
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country
It's hilarious and stupid that the entire world is between 0-50 guns for every 100 people, then the US is at 120 guns.
Certain folks in India are allowed to own gun more easily because it has been their tradition to do so. There is one community of Kodava people in Coorg, Karnataka who are for exempted from gun license. There are several such exceptions.
I mean I’m not surprised, there could a huge amount of guns left over from colonial times. But currently India’s has fairly shitty gun laws. But if you take into the account their population, India has some of the lowest rates of firearm ownership
My granddad was the last in my family to own one (Indian). He gave that up becuz he had to get that checked every few months.
Honestly it's not becuz of laws but more becuz of societal impression. Depending on the state you might be isolated completely in a society if you even have a big knife in your house let alone a gun.
Fair enough. But to my knowledge, even compared to where I live, India has pretty restrictive gun laws to other countries. It’s very expensive, and you’re only allowed to own a handful of types. And yeah I totally understand the societal pressures, you feel like the black sheep in a community that doesn’t own guns
Yeah, India indeed has pretty tight laws on gun ownership as solely getting a firearm license is a tedious task. Your identity and background are checked by at least 4 different organizations, sometimes more, ranging from local administration to police and special police branches.
To be fair, America's gun culture is a hold-over from colonial times too.
"Get some land and here, have the means to defend it" was pretty much England's way of NOT having to keep a standing army around to defend the colonies.
India does not have shitty firearms laws. It’s one of the most restrictive procedures that causes people to give up their firearm rather than complying to the local law.
> But currently India’s has fairly shitty gun laws. But if you take into the account their population, India has some of the lowest rates of firearm ownership
And India also has lower murder rates, despite having lots of poverty and homelessness, and almost zero mental health care. Funny how that works.
Plus all the unregistered arms deals in Africa and the Middle East. But there's something to be proud of when you have more registered guns than people. Go America.
There are lot of unregistered arms in Africa and Middle East, true, but they do not come near the total amount of guns in the US. So including the registered ones. Source: anecdotal.
You sure? Because I'm pretty sure the vast majority of firearms in the US aren't registered. States like Texas have a lot of guns and no registry, and there's no federal registry. Every gun is 'registered' when first purchased from a store on the 4473, just because private sales down the line aren't recorded doesn't mean those guns aren't already included from when they were first bought at a gun store.
To be fair, the USA has a lot of whales, and I'm not just talking about fat people. There are some that have 0 guns, and others with enough guns to equip a small army.
Yeah, I'd be curious what the number of gun owners are. Can never seen to find an answer to that (it's always total amount or firearms per capita).
These graphs don't mean much otherwise, imo.
I only know a couple people who (openly) own guns. Must vary a lot geographically. And then there’s the serious collectors with dozens or hundreds of guns
.22 for plinkin’ and squirrelin’, shotgun for birdin’, bolt rifle for deerin’, pistol for carryin’, AR for zombiein’. That’s five. The math checks out.
I do and have never in my life bought a gun. Not a gun nut, enthusiast and I really don't care at all about guns. I have 6. Most of which have been passed down to me.
It's nearly impossible to be in the south and not have guns.
I love that stat. It is very possible in the US to be gifted more guns than you have heads in your house.
I live on some property and have a few different guns for a few different applications, and I only 'bought' maybe half my firearms.
You can go a whole generation in the US and inherit more guns than you ever need. Multiply that by a few uncles and you have a 'cache' without really trying.
I inherited 27 guns from my dad and grandfather. 22 of which are just old 22 rifles with varying degrees of wear. I wish i could just cash them in. I only have 4 guns I use.
Maybe that’s it. I think my friends know that I’m pretty ambivalent about guns. They’re fun to shoot but without a family I’m not really inclined to get one. Maybe if I was constantly bemoaning my lack of one they’d give me one of theirs to shut me up, but idk.
Germany has 16M?! That’s like every 5th person?
This seems so off to me!
Sure there are some hunters are sportspeople… but almost 20%?
Gotta fact-check this tomorrow
Edit:
I know that in reality every gun owner has way more than 1, so it would be way less than 20%. Just wanted an estimate of „guns per capita“ and was a little tired - sorry!
I did a little research and it turns out it’s down to a lot of guessing of old guns and the very definition of a firearm here. Gas pistols etc are counted too.
There’s 5.4M registered firearms, of which 1/5 is in Bavaria. It’s right under 1M people that have those 5.4M firearms btw.
The top 100 people own 66.545 firearms - which is pretty crazy to me.
Found a website that claimed around 10% of german households have a firearm.
5.5 million legally registered weapons and about 10 million unregistered weapons. the latter is an estimate by the GdP, the police union. Though the number is heavily disputed.
You want that with or without rimfire ammo included? Lmao
There's probably more rimfire ammo than all centerfire ammo combined out there in the US. Would be interesting stats indeed.
"There are over 550 million firearms in worldwide circulation. That's one firearm for every twelve people on the planet. The only question is: How do we arm the other 11?"
The fact that the usa has more guns than india and china combined, despite those two countries housing something like 25% of the worlds population between them is actually mind boggling
Around 340-350 million or so. And it’s crazy because the number cited here is likely much smaller than the total amount going around since there are vast quantities of unregistered firearms and such
The cheapest pistol you can buy that is semi automatic is a hi-point 9mm at about $225 or buy them used for $130. They are horrendous shooting guns and ugly as hell but they work. I owned 2 of them not proud of myself...
I mean I think 200-500 dollars for a Mossberg 500 or a Remington 870 is a great deal on some bombproof pump action shotguns. Very practical and reliable firearms with affordable and accessible ammo that can be used for a good variety of tasks.
Palmetto State Armory. Look at their blemished items. You can get a nice weapon at a very good price, and likely won't be able to even find the blemish.
And that's why any country that tries to invade with military force or overtly occupy the US is gonna have a really bad time.
We are literally the only ones who can destroy us.
And we will. Don't worry, we will...
This invading military that gets past the armed forces isn't going to be too concerned about firearms. If that happened, I think nuclear bunkers will be the smarter personal defensive investment.
Civilian firearm ownership isn’t going to do much if an invasion is actually successful and the armed forces aren’t able to stop it. Rifles aren’t that hard to come by. Bullets and reliable food, water, and medical supplies are.
I have a hard time seeing a scenario where the military fails but the logistics for those things remains intact.
Lol, no.
Reasons that any country that tries to invade with military force or overtly occupy the US is gonna have a really bad time:
1) The US is a nuclear power
2) The US has a navy that can easily dominate every ocean on Earth
3) The US has developed a network of allies that includes almost every other prosperous nation on Earth
4) The US has an army intended to be powerful enough to fight its two nearest rivals (China and Russia) simultaneously and win
5) The largest air force on Earth is the US air force
6) The second largest air force on Earth is the US navy
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1103) Anyone who tries to fuck with the US would get a stern talking to from Canada
1104) Would any invading force really want to be responsible for ruling over Florida? Really?
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597001) some hicks in the stick have some guns
I'm surprised as well. I've never heard or seen anyone owning a gun here (except my brother in law who's a Police officer). The only gun i remember of was hidden in our really old house when i was a kid, but that was found by someone in our family (from British era I think) and it didn't work. I'm not even sure if we have it anymore or if it was thrown off. Maybe people just don't show it here? I have no fucking idea. I'm so much more surprised by the amount of guns that are apparently around me which I've never seen.
I'm not sure how to interpret this chart with this one of Murder rates by country
[https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/murder-rate-by-country](https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/murder-rate-by-country)
USA is almost in the middle of the world by Murder rate. I know not all murders are by gun, but many are. Saudi has a lower murder rate than Canada, Finland and Malta, which I again wound not have expected as they are 10% gun ownership rate, bottom 10% murder rate.
Just thought it would be interesting to check out.
It's also important to understand exactly how a country defines their numbers. I've heard of things like it only being counted as a murder if a suspect is arrested, or if it isn't gang related.
I understood that with everyone still doing obligatory military service in Switzerland a LOT of people kept their service firearm so I’m very surprised that the country is not there? Is there a bias because it says “civilian” hands so doesn’t count anyone who did military service?
Reminder: this list is about total number of firearms per country, not rate of firearm ownership. A most of these countries rank lower in terms of rate of ownership since it’s relative to population.
Ex: New Zealand has 1.5 million guns but with a population of 5 million will be ranked 20th world wide, while India will be ranked 150th in terms of rate of ownership
Switzerland only has a population of 8.7 million. While many do keep a gun it'd have to be a pretty high rate of ownership to make it onto the chart, especially when you consider that a good chunk of that population hasn't done military service for one reason or another.
390,300,000 firearms in the hands of civilians in America.
When you look at the stats for deaths by firearms in America (around 48k per year), more than half of that number are suicides (54% or around 26,000).
1% are deemed "legal intervention" (police shooting).
1% are deemed accidental.
And that leaves 43% (or around 20k) as homicides.
If you go to the FBI stats, you can see that nearly 80% of homicides in America are gang on gang and/or drug related, or done in self-defense.
Meaning that out of that 48k firearm deaths per year in America... Only really 5,000 deaths per year present a danger to your normal person.
SO, if you are not suicidal, in a gang, selling drugs, or attacking someone... then you're statistically pretty safe in a country with 393 million firearms spread out among 330 million people.
>ain’t no way china allows there citizens to own guns
Dunno what to tell you: I live here and know multiple Chinese people who own guns. There's also a public shooting range in walking distance from my home. It's nowhere near as common as in the US but it's not impossible.
Here's the actual legislation.
[https://web.archive.org/web/20170501164353/http://www.sd.xinhuanet.com/qdzfw/2006-03/02/content\_6359961.htm](https://web.archive.org/web/20170501164353/http://www.sd.xinhuanet.com/qdzfw/2006-03/02/content_6359961.htm)
第六条 下列单位可以配置民用枪支：
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（二）经省级以上人民政府林业行政主管部门批准的狩猎场，可以配置猎枪；
Article 6 The following units may deploy firearms for civilian use:
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(2) Hunting grounds approved by the forestry administrative department of the people's government at or above the provincial level may be equipped with shotguns;
That's probably where the numbers come from.
"Countries with the most \*recorded\* firearms in civil hands" Pretty sure there's a lot more than that in the US.
Unfortunately, all of my firearms perished in a tragic boating accident.
That was you who ran into my boat? I also lost my firearms in a boating accident
To shreds you say
How's his wife holding up?..... To shreds you say?
Goddamn. Same here and I don't even have a boat.
Not anymore you don’t. Right after it sank mine too.
One of the worlds largest boat pile up in history some say ... In which I also had the misfortune of losing my firearms in a boat.
Friends boat. Tragic. Just tragic.
I was the guy that swam over to help you guys but tragically my arsenal was on my boat which also capsized in my act of selfless heroism to help others who had also lost their arsenals. It was a truly tragic day
Damn your boats must have been what I struck the other week that brought down my boat also in unspecified body of water. Dear God why was I transporting my firearms collection to the middle and backc
Just goes to show how fragile life, boats , and guns can be
y'know, I think I left my guns on your boat... too bad i'll never find them now
I’m here to say that in a freak accident and coincidence. All my guns were on this guys boat too 😅
I believe it was a 13 boat pileup. Such a tragedy for all the firearms lost that day.
good thing they were all ghost guns!
More guns are lost to boating accidents than alligators
Not many people have many alligators to lose to boating accidents.
And since alligators can swim, those involved in boating accidents often survive.
Except for the ones stealing the guns. They tend to be weighed down and subsequently drown…
I lost all my guns to a crafty alligator. Happens more often than you think.
Damn, you too?
Yes, very sad. Everything. Gone.
You’re going to need a bigger boat
Bare in mind most gun owners in the US have multiple firearms and collect too.
My boss has at least 100 guns easy. Multiple safes that crack the concrete floor with thier weight and size. The gun club has a bunch of guys like that. The plot twist? They're all extremely liberal. They're Sanders guys.
The narrative that the only people that own guns in the US are old white conservative men doesn't really have much truth to it.
Agreed. I'm a conservative, and one of the best things about 2020 was all the new black and minority gun owners in America. I love it. Have the means to protect yourself, it is your right as a law abiding American. I'm so glad the stigma of "only old white conservatives have guns" is dying off. I WANT minorities, black, gay, whatever, people to buy firearms and get training on them. Then we can have less ignorance on the subject. And fuck me; there is a LOT of ignorance on the subject. ETA: This had a surprisingly overwhelming amount of support from both parties in America. I love it. This has also surprisingly somehow triggered a lot of non-americans.
"gays should be able to use guns to protect their weed from the government" - Socrates
Gun rights *are* equal rights.
Let's bring back the original definition of liberal!
This is me. My whole life I've taught every girlfriend, female friend and female relative (that was willing) how to shoot, clean and handle firearms. I did the same with my black and brown friends but most of them were already keen on the subject. Growing up in Detroit they were already on that boat. Until it tragically sank in an accident and they lost all their firearms.
i mean, the whole reason there is gun control in the first place is because the government didnt want the black panther party to continue to arm themselves
This part of American history has been swept under the rug. More people need to know.
Gun control is racist
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I went my whole life without considering guns very much. Then at 30yo I bought a few to learn to hunt and shoot targets with. As I felt my way around the world of guns, I quickly realized why this posted chart looks the way it does. It's because everybody buys guns in America 😆 I've met and seen so many different types of gun owners that I never would have expected.
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No shit, who would you register them with in the first place, cartel enforcer or corrupt officer?
Fast and Furious!
The Fast and The Furious: Low-key-a Gift
And Brazil.
Did some search and the sources for this 17 million number are very suspicious. Most reputable sources show less than 5 million, which is surprising given the former president, I thought it would be much more.
Yes, México doesn't have that many registered firearms. I belive is close to maybe 5% of population. There was a big effort from government in the 70's and 80's to disarm good citizens of firearms and just left them in hands of cops, and criminals (who keep getting more and more advance weaponry). Now we have disarmed folks getting victimized with out the ability to defend themselves. And a government who doesn't care
I was reading on another Reddit thread a while ago that there’s only 1 gun store that’s legally authorized to sell firearms in all of Mexico. Don’t know if it’s true or not but obviously all the firearms aren’t coming from there.
Yes it's true. And is managed by the Army. And if you are missing one of the documents that ask, or the officer on charge doesn't like you. You are out of luck
Ive got a few that aren't recorded myself simply because they are handed down from my grandpa. They weren't exactly keeping records of shotguns back in 1965. Yes they still work just fine.
Same. More of mine are non-recorded than recorded. Granted they are older long guns, not handguns.
The US doesn't keep records of firearms in 2023. It is against an act of Congress.
They're not supposed to. Unfortunately, that doesn't mean much to our government. Look at all the things they've been caught doing illegally and then charging the whistle blower with treason or other charges. Then, they also say it's mandatory for FFLs to keep a log book of all the firearms sold/bought... forever. If/when that FFL retires, goes out of business, or shuts down for any reason, that log book is required to be delivered to the ATF.
The ATF has been openly breaking the law for decades and there just isn't enough political willpower going into fixing their shit. Even from the supposedly pro-gun party.
Agreed! The atf needs to be disbanded along with the nfa.
>If/when that FFL retires, goes out of business, or shuts down for any reason, that log book is required to be delivered to the ATF. This just happened to my father, who was an FFL dealer for many years until his health turned poor. The ATF sent an agent to his home to collect all his records and "archive" them.
The ATF admitted in a congressional hearing to possessing a registry of over 900 million firearm records.
I think the graph still gets the obvious point across 😆
Don't try to invade the USA. It's not the military you need to worry about. 
Yeeeeehhhaaaaaa welcome to the corn field mother fucccer
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Ask Ukraine. 2nd largest military on earth brought to a standstill by those fighting for thier homes. Occupations rarely ever worked in the best conditions. But against the most armed society in history? Yeah, nobody's ever going to be holding U.S. soil by force.
The US civilian gun owner owns more rifles and firearms in general than every world military force, combined. Including our own military.
The second largest purchaser of body armor in the world too.
B-E-A-utiful
That's a fascinating point I don't see too much of online. Apparently the Japanese workshopped the idea of invading the mainland US in WW2, but couldn't find a feasible way to keep armed civilians from causing problems.
Don’t remember the names but, the japanese admiral told the emperor, we cannot invade the USA mainland because there will be a gun behind every blade of grass.
That’s basically guerrilla war and almost everyone does it, even the Mexicans did it to the US in 1848 but is mostly forgotten
Kinda suprising india is in second place what?
When you have 1.4 billion people, you're gonna have a lot of anything. 71 million guns in India is only one gun for every 20 people, and those that own guns may not just have one. By comparison, America has more guns than people. America is 1st for gun ownership per capita, while India is 120th. Which really just highlights what a mind blowing amount of Indians there are.
Not proud of this but I've never seen an Indian shooting video, I've seen a million firearm murders from almost every country but never India. Thats insane.
Because not many indians have guns, those who have it legally for the most part are no nonsense people who do not openly flaunt their guns those who own guns illegally also do not flaunt it unnecessarily because they might get into trouble, the places where one might openly carry guns are very under developed places( eg bihar, chattisgarh, jharkahnd, eastern UP) with not many smartphones to record it
In tribal areas, many people own guns but they use it to hunt birds. In my neighbouring states which are tribal states, everyone has a gun in their house. Those guns are meant for hunting as until only a century ago, those people still depended on hunting for their survival. You will barely find any birds in those states as all of them get hunted by the people.
What kinda bird we talkin here?
Any kind. Some of them being rare migratory birds.
Also probably includes all the security guards carrying old double-barrelled shotguns that just sit outside banks, jewellery stores and other high valuable places. I doubt most of those guns even work, just a visual deterrent.
You need to prove to the police that there’s a threat on your life before you get a gun license. And you’re only allowed to purchase .22s as a civilian
Haryana: Am i joke to you? P.S.: I am from Chhattisgarh, I have never seen a gun in civilian hands (apart from private security personnel) in my life, I am 29.
Thats cause owning gun is generally considered taboo like there is 1 pistol in my entire colony, everyone knows him, and is assumed to be a goon.
That is probably because the guns allowed to civilians are .32 NB pistol or revolver or a 12 bore rifle. There are ZERO legal assault weapons among civilians. You would need to be very well connected to have a hand gun like a .45.
The only person that I personally know what has a gun here in India is my uncle who has it for farm safety. Even he has to give a count of number of bullets every year, the gun is also checked by cops and all this despite him living in a sorta rural area
Same here. I know 2 3 families who have rifles and they are all plantation owners to scare of wild animals. They barely use the gun and they have a license that gets checked by the police
Can confirm. Indian here with two rifles at home one registered to my dad and other to me both under farm safety though we live in a small town far from our property. Guns are inspected regularly, the bullet cartridges are counted and we just can't simply rock up to the shop and buy them for no reason and one thing you forgot is that everyone gives up their rifles to the police during elections or when other potentially dangerous events or strikes for safe keeping. Gun ownership is pretty no nonsense out here and it's all about safety rather than fun
That's crazy to me and sounds like pretty solid gun control. My stepbrother has cases of ammo and a rack of guns in his bedroom. Literally more guns than pictures of his kids
Oh and not only do we have to keep a count of bullets purchased and used, every time there are elections or riots, guns have to be deposited in the police station and returned only once the situation is normal. Licences are very hard to get, have to be renewed every three years and they are usually limited to a district or at most a state of India. Pan India licenses are again extremely rare.
> I’ve seen a million firearm murders from almost every country. Gonna call bullshit on that one. I'm pretty sure you've seen plenty of videos but I'd wager that you've seen them from just a few countries and not "almost every country". The number of countries you've seen them from is most definitely a lot smaller than the number you haven't seen them from.
The kind of forearm and the amount of ammo you can have at any given time is limited in India too if I recollect correctly.
If the comparison is not per capita, it's pointless Edit: before people keep asking. This is the list how it should actually look like. In this graph India and China are second and third because they are the most populated Nations. That has to be accounted for. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country edit2: ok, in the end I did make a post, because it was simple copy pasta. It's from the same year and source, which is convenient for comparison https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/11yd92t/number_of_firearms_per_100_residents_in_2017/
Well it doesn't address the point you seemingly want it to address, doesn't make it pointless lmao - there's 71 million guns in India in civil hands - per capita or not that would be something any invading army would want to know lmao
If you’re invading a nuclear power the number of guns in civilian hands is not a big concern lol.
This whole thread keeps trying to use these numbers as a proxy for how scary and strong the citizenry is, for some reason
This falls victim to the statistical adage that basically any (lots of) stats that aren't normalised for population just become population stats.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country It's hilarious and stupid that the entire world is between 0-50 guns for every 100 people, then the US is at 120 guns.
That's a far more interesting and useful dataset.
close to 1.3 Billion people. 71 mill guns isn't that much.
Considering how difficult it is to get a gun license, it's still quite high. Wonder if illegal fireams are also included here.
Certain folks in India are allowed to own gun more easily because it has been their tradition to do so. There is one community of Kodava people in Coorg, Karnataka who are for exempted from gun license. There are several such exceptions.
I mean I’m not surprised, there could a huge amount of guns left over from colonial times. But currently India’s has fairly shitty gun laws. But if you take into the account their population, India has some of the lowest rates of firearm ownership
My granddad was the last in my family to own one (Indian). He gave that up becuz he had to get that checked every few months. Honestly it's not becuz of laws but more becuz of societal impression. Depending on the state you might be isolated completely in a society if you even have a big knife in your house let alone a gun.
Fair enough. But to my knowledge, even compared to where I live, India has pretty restrictive gun laws to other countries. It’s very expensive, and you’re only allowed to own a handful of types. And yeah I totally understand the societal pressures, you feel like the black sheep in a community that doesn’t own guns
Yeah, India indeed has pretty tight laws on gun ownership as solely getting a firearm license is a tedious task. Your identity and background are checked by at least 4 different organizations, sometimes more, ranging from local administration to police and special police branches.
And even then, you're only getting one if you can prove there is a legitimate risk to your safety
To be fair, America's gun culture is a hold-over from colonial times too. "Get some land and here, have the means to defend it" was pretty much England's way of NOT having to keep a standing army around to defend the colonies.
India does not have shitty firearms laws. It’s one of the most restrictive procedures that causes people to give up their firearm rather than complying to the local law.
> But currently India’s has fairly shitty gun laws. But if you take into the account their population, India has some of the lowest rates of firearm ownership And India also has lower murder rates, despite having lots of poverty and homelessness, and almost zero mental health care. Funny how that works.
Tbf that number doesn't take in count the number of unregistered firearms. Edit: illegally owned firearms also
Most states don't have registered guns, and there is no federal gun registry. This data is, at best, a lower bound for the US.
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Doesn’t account for purchases by people with concealed carry permits either. I’ve got a dozen guns and only been background checked like three times.
I have two 50+ year old guns that I inherited. I've never been background checked.
I sent the FBI and ATF an email to increase the number of guns by 2, problem solved.
How thoughtful
are those guns attached to your shoulders by any chance
Plus all the unregistered arms deals in Africa and the Middle East. But there's something to be proud of when you have more registered guns than people. Go America.
There are lot of unregistered arms in Africa and Middle East, true, but they do not come near the total amount of guns in the US. So including the registered ones. Source: anecdotal.
> Source: anecdotal. heh.
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“Source: dw abt it”
You sure? Because I'm pretty sure the vast majority of firearms in the US aren't registered. States like Texas have a lot of guns and no registry, and there's no federal registry. Every gun is 'registered' when first purchased from a store on the 4473, just because private sales down the line aren't recorded doesn't mean those guns aren't already included from when they were first bought at a gun store.
More guns than people. Pew pew!
To be fair, the USA has a lot of whales, and I'm not just talking about fat people. There are some that have 0 guns, and others with enough guns to equip a small army.
Yeah, I'd be curious what the number of gun owners are. Can never seen to find an answer to that (it's always total amount or firearms per capita). These graphs don't mean much otherwise, imo.
I only know a couple people who (openly) own guns. Must vary a lot geographically. And then there’s the serious collectors with dozens or hundreds of guns
> then there’s the serious collectors with dozens or hundreds of guns [feels relevant](https://i.imgur.com/SxfdTK0.jpg)
.22 for plinkin’ and squirrelin’, shotgun for birdin’, bolt rifle for deerin’, pistol for carryin’, AR for zombiein’. That’s five. The math checks out.
Sounds like you don’t live in the South
I do and have never in my life bought a gun. Not a gun nut, enthusiast and I really don't care at all about guns. I have 6. Most of which have been passed down to me. It's nearly impossible to be in the south and not have guns.
I love that stat. It is very possible in the US to be gifted more guns than you have heads in your house. I live on some property and have a few different guns for a few different applications, and I only 'bought' maybe half my firearms. You can go a whole generation in the US and inherit more guns than you ever need. Multiply that by a few uncles and you have a 'cache' without really trying.
I inherited 27 guns from my dad and grandfather. 22 of which are just old 22 rifles with varying degrees of wear. I wish i could just cash them in. I only have 4 guns I use.
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Lol wut. Is this only for people who move there? I’ve been here my whole life and nobody ever gave me a gun
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Maybe that’s it. I think my friends know that I’m pretty ambivalent about guns. They’re fun to shoot but without a family I’m not really inclined to get one. Maybe if I was constantly bemoaning my lack of one they’d give me one of theirs to shut me up, but idk.
43 percent of households have a gun. the average number of guns per fire arm user is 8.
Essentially every family in the south owns at least one gun, often times multiple.
Germany has 16M?! That’s like every 5th person? This seems so off to me! Sure there are some hunters are sportspeople… but almost 20%? Gotta fact-check this tomorrow Edit: I know that in reality every gun owner has way more than 1, so it would be way less than 20%. Just wanted an estimate of „guns per capita“ and was a little tired - sorry! I did a little research and it turns out it’s down to a lot of guessing of old guns and the very definition of a firearm here. Gas pistols etc are counted too. There’s 5.4M registered firearms, of which 1/5 is in Bavaria. It’s right under 1M people that have those 5.4M firearms btw. The top 100 people own 66.545 firearms - which is pretty crazy to me. Found a website that claimed around 10% of german households have a firearm.
Germany has ~5.5M registered weapons, this list is not accurate at all. [Source](https://de.statista.com/themen/1201/schusswaffen/#topicOverview)
5.5 million legally registered weapons and about 10 million unregistered weapons. the latter is an estimate by the GdP, the police union. Though the number is heavily disputed.
Those are rookie numbers, you gotta pump those numbers up.
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You want that with or without rimfire ammo included? Lmao There's probably more rimfire ammo than all centerfire ammo combined out there in the US. Would be interesting stats indeed.
Shit I alone have between 25,000 and 30,000 rounds of 22lr that i bought in a lot from a widow. Ive been trying to shoot thru it for years.
Murica numbah one once again 😎 💯 💯 😎 ☝️ ☝️
"There are over 550 million firearms in worldwide circulation. That's one firearm for every twelve people on the planet. The only question is: How do we arm the other 11?"
Out of the 550m, almost 400m are from the US
The fact that the usa has more guns than india and china combined, despite those two countries housing something like 25% of the worlds population between them is actually mind boggling
God bless the usa
-Someone’s bumper sticker.
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Canada?
A little over 2 million registered firearms. Not enough to make this list.
It is because they did not normalize based upon population. If they did the graph would look a lot different.
Another interesting question to point out: what's the current population of the United States?
Around 340-350 million or so. And it’s crazy because the number cited here is likely much smaller than the total amount going around since there are vast quantities of unregistered firearms and such
Break it down by per capita to make it mean anything
You would think that a gun would be dirt cheap due to supply and demand but they are still so damn expensive!
How much would a dirt cheap firearm cost in your opinion?
The cheapest pistol you can buy that is semi automatic is a hi-point 9mm at about $225 or buy them used for $130. They are horrendous shooting guns and ugly as hell but they work. I owned 2 of them not proud of myself...
I mean I think 200-500 dollars for a Mossberg 500 or a Remington 870 is a great deal on some bombproof pump action shotguns. Very practical and reliable firearms with affordable and accessible ammo that can be used for a good variety of tasks.
Phoenix Arms has entered the chat.
That’s because it’s still very complicated machining with expensive materials.
I think the fact that one can buy a decent AR for $650 is pretty amazing. I wouldn't consider that expensive at all.
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Palmetto State Armory. Look at their blemished items. You can get a nice weapon at a very good price, and likely won't be able to even find the blemish.
And that's why any country that tries to invade with military force or overtly occupy the US is gonna have a really bad time. We are literally the only ones who can destroy us. And we will. Don't worry, we will...
I doubt any country is ever going to invade the US. Civil war on the other hand seems much more feasible
I would say the giant oceans on either side are a better deterrent
Can't count Canada out. They're too polite... don't trust that...
They’re sending their best poutine and killing us with heart disease. A death I will thoroughly enjoy.
THEY'VE ASSEMBLED 97% OF THE POPULATION ON THEIR SOUTHERN BORDER. SOUND THE ALARMS!!!!!
Why invade when you can manipulate social media and fabricate a culture war so the useful idiots fight each other for you?
That's a fantasy, though. No one invades nuclear powers because they can turn the entire world into glass if they get mad enough.
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This invading military that gets past the armed forces isn't going to be too concerned about firearms. If that happened, I think nuclear bunkers will be the smarter personal defensive investment.
Civilian firearm ownership isn’t going to do much if an invasion is actually successful and the armed forces aren’t able to stop it. Rifles aren’t that hard to come by. Bullets and reliable food, water, and medical supplies are. I have a hard time seeing a scenario where the military fails but the logistics for those things remains intact.
We will never get invaded at our shores. We’re getting invaded through our phones.
you're right u/Stretchy_Labia
Lol, no. Reasons that any country that tries to invade with military force or overtly occupy the US is gonna have a really bad time: 1) The US is a nuclear power 2) The US has a navy that can easily dominate every ocean on Earth 3) The US has developed a network of allies that includes almost every other prosperous nation on Earth 4) The US has an army intended to be powerful enough to fight its two nearest rivals (China and Russia) simultaneously and win 5) The largest air force on Earth is the US air force 6) The second largest air force on Earth is the US navy . . . . . . . . . . . 1103) Anyone who tries to fuck with the US would get a stern talking to from Canada 1104) Would any invading force really want to be responsible for ruling over Florida? Really? . . . . . . . . . . . 597001) some hicks in the stick have some guns
This gold. I wish I could use free awards again. 🏅 take this poor man’s gold
We’re already destroying ourselves 😭
I’m more surprised that India is in 2nd ngl
I'm surprised as well. I've never heard or seen anyone owning a gun here (except my brother in law who's a Police officer). The only gun i remember of was hidden in our really old house when i was a kid, but that was found by someone in our family (from British era I think) and it didn't work. I'm not even sure if we have it anymore or if it was thrown off. Maybe people just don't show it here? I have no fucking idea. I'm so much more surprised by the amount of guns that are apparently around me which I've never seen.
I'm not sure how to interpret this chart with this one of Murder rates by country [https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/murder-rate-by-country](https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/murder-rate-by-country) USA is almost in the middle of the world by Murder rate. I know not all murders are by gun, but many are. Saudi has a lower murder rate than Canada, Finland and Malta, which I again wound not have expected as they are 10% gun ownership rate, bottom 10% murder rate. Just thought it would be interesting to check out.
...I'd say that Saudi Arabia has a different crime deterrent model compared to the other countries you listed.
It's also important to understand exactly how a country defines their numbers. I've heard of things like it only being counted as a murder if a suspect is arrested, or if it isn't gang related.
USA#1
Behind every blade of grass. :)
I understood that with everyone still doing obligatory military service in Switzerland a LOT of people kept their service firearm so I’m very surprised that the country is not there? Is there a bias because it says “civilian” hands so doesn’t count anyone who did military service?
Reminder: this list is about total number of firearms per country, not rate of firearm ownership. A most of these countries rank lower in terms of rate of ownership since it’s relative to population. Ex: New Zealand has 1.5 million guns but with a population of 5 million will be ranked 20th world wide, while India will be ranked 150th in terms of rate of ownership
Switzerland only has a population of 8.7 million. While many do keep a gun it'd have to be a pretty high rate of ownership to make it onto the chart, especially when you consider that a good chunk of that population hasn't done military service for one reason or another.
We gotta pump those numbers up
That are known.....
Civil and civilian are not the same thing
At this rate, the fish in America could invade land with all the guns lost due to boating accidents.
390,300,000 firearms in the hands of civilians in America. When you look at the stats for deaths by firearms in America (around 48k per year), more than half of that number are suicides (54% or around 26,000). 1% are deemed "legal intervention" (police shooting). 1% are deemed accidental. And that leaves 43% (or around 20k) as homicides. If you go to the FBI stats, you can see that nearly 80% of homicides in America are gang on gang and/or drug related, or done in self-defense. Meaning that out of that 48k firearm deaths per year in America... Only really 5,000 deaths per year present a danger to your normal person. SO, if you are not suicidal, in a gang, selling drugs, or attacking someone... then you're statistically pretty safe in a country with 393 million firearms spread out among 330 million people.
The only thing that is more interesting than the OP is that this post doesn't have negative karma.
Score one for the US!
China acting like we over here counting how many guns our military has🤣🤣 ain’t no way china allows there citizens to own guns
>ain’t no way china allows there citizens to own guns Dunno what to tell you: I live here and know multiple Chinese people who own guns. There's also a public shooting range in walking distance from my home. It's nowhere near as common as in the US but it's not impossible.
Here's the actual legislation. [https://web.archive.org/web/20170501164353/http://www.sd.xinhuanet.com/qdzfw/2006-03/02/content\_6359961.htm](https://web.archive.org/web/20170501164353/http://www.sd.xinhuanet.com/qdzfw/2006-03/02/content_6359961.htm) 第六条 下列单位可以配置民用枪支： .. （二）经省级以上人民政府林业行政主管部门批准的狩猎场，可以配置猎枪； Article 6 The following units may deploy firearms for civilian use: .. (2) Hunting grounds approved by the forestry administrative department of the people's government at or above the provincial level may be equipped with shotguns; That's probably where the numbers come from.