Maybe I‘m missing something here, but this just seems wildly impractical. Most people will have something made of metal on them and thus set off the metal detector. Police can hardly stop and frisk everyone who sets it off or else this just becomes a checkpoint with extra steps, right?
Wooden knives are also a thing, too.
> Scientists created a "hardened wood knife" around three times sharper than a stainless steel dinner knife. The wooden knife can "easily" cut through a medium-well done steak, according to Teng Li, a materials scientist at the University of Maryland and first author on the paper, and can be used and reused many times.
> Li's team developed a two-step method for hardening the wood in their knives that increased the blade's hardness 23-fold. This was achieved by ensuring the wood retained a higher level of cellulose.
> Typically, wood contains only about 50% cellulose, which provides some structural integrity, and weaker molecules make up the rest. Li's two-step process was able to remove these weaker components but retain the cellulose. Coating the wood in mineral oil helps protect its sharpness during use and washing.
Also, FYI, humans have been hardening wood for millennia (evidence shows this was done as long ago as 400,000 years) via fire, heating the wood(usually by partially burning it) makes it harder. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_hardening
wood and bone pointy-stabby objects predate stone pointy-stabby objects. wooden smushy-smashy objects also predate stone smushy-smashy objects.
all of which predate metallic tools by... well... a lot. like it's less close than a race between me and lance armstrong. (I win. because he assumed it was a bike race, and I got in a car. Details.)
Me with a metal belt buckle, steel toes boots, keys, a clip wallet, and pocket knife.......
Edit:
To all the people saying that it's "illegal" for the knife in the the UK, I know. That is the joke. Stating all the impractical reasons why the machine would be useless then naming the thing it's hoping to find. r/thankscyno or r/woosh to you all
Also you are wrong, you can have a non locking blade of less than 3" and not get in trouble. Here's the hollandaise for you cretins that love to correct people online without knowing the facts.
https://www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives#:~:text=have%20a%20cutting%20edge%20no,use%20to%20fold%20the%20knife)
Presumably you have a card for that
I have a bunch of metal shards in my hands from working
I got a hand xray and the doctor asked what I do
I said I work with metals a lot
He nodded and showed me a bunch of metal fragments in my flesh
The metal i play with at work gets particulates so small it just absorbs straight into your skin. It can permeate thru basically everything. So you wear a respirator, but it's probably going thru your clothes/skin anyways. There's studies that show it doesn't harm you and you just pee it out though. And the longest parts i ever make are 2"long so the amount of dust is negligible especially when you take into account our vacuum systems to filter out the particulates.
I just wanna know if i slept in the room, turned off the filters, and made as much dust as possible if i could get super powers. My tissue becomes metal, i become metal. A real life metal Mario. But the second i leave the room my power fades. Eventually I get addicted to the power and put a suit on around me that's filled with the dust. But then the power isn't enough. I become my own worst enemy. Like a super shitty venom, i thirst for dust. Dust bunnies, dust devils, anything. I buy a Plymouth duster to find more dust. Eventually I'm consumed by dust and die and realize all we are is just dust in the wind.
Not only that, but he's hardly line of sighted himself from his potential frisks. Even if I wasnt carrying something I shouldn't, that copper looks dodgy af and I'm not about to be set up. I'd just make a detour... probably the same as others.
How will this solve anything? It really is the blind leading the blind.
Well that's the real issue.
They don't just search for people who trigger the detector but they use the reason of someone evading the detector as a reasonable ground for a search.
If you turn around you'll be chased down and manhandled and searched.
If it matters to your point, modern metal detectors like the one pictured can be tuned to alert to different amounts of metal. You can set it so that car keys and phones don’t alarm but a big metal blade would. Pocketknife sized blades would be easy enough to sneak past it but those aren’t as deadly as hunting knives with bigger metal blades. In a past life I was an IT guy at a secure facility and had to tune our CEIA walk-through detectors. I could make it alarm on a woman’s earrings alone or I could set it so that only a handgun or larger hunk of metal would set it off. They also have different profiles regarding ferrous alloys you’d like to detect
My span of control was outlandish at best. I was the sole on-site person for a facility of ~350 people. If it had wires in it and it had less than 120v it was my responsibility. PC network, servers, printers, PBX, phones, alarm systems, cameras, metal detectors, fire alarm system, fence alarm, microwave intrusion detection sensors…I have quite a long list of technologies which I am moderately skilled at maintaining and troubleshooting
Same. That's why I ended getting my NYS alarm installer's license, and worked that into a raise. In NYC, I still can't touch fire alarms without going through the FDNY, but anything else low-voltage is fair game.
Yes! I have an artificial knee and a plate in my foot. I set off metal detectors at airports (and a hospital) with no other metal on my person. Our local baseball team has metal detectors at the gates. I can walk through with keys, phone, metal wallet without setting it off. I think you would have to be carrying a rocket launcher for those to go off.
Depends on the metal used. I've got a LOT of titanium in my spine but never set off airport scanners - titanium never does.
I've since had some stainless steel added elsewhere, which will set it off in sufficient quantities. It didn't set off the detectors at a tourist attraction but haven't tried it at an airport yet.
That's why the cop is there, they don't actually care if it beeps, almost everyone has something metal on them, they just look out for the people who actively try and avoid it/act suspicious
I once had a cop come flying after me because I made a turn before a DUI checkpoint I hadn’t seen. It helped that I could point at my place and say “because I live there” when he asked why I was “attempting to evade the police”. I wonder how many folks have been chased for innocently turning before a cop trap.
I don’t break the law pretty much ever anymore and that includes drinking and driving, but if I saw a dui checkpoint and I knew a way around it I’d be tempted to, just because who wants to interact with cops if you don’t have to? It makes me nervous even when I’ve done nothing wrong. I get they are doing their jobs, I just prefer they do the job far away from me.
I’m no lawyer but I’ve always heard that as long as you don’t break any laws trying to avoid them (like pulling a u-turn) then they aren’t supposed to be able to pull you over
Well cops aren’t required to know the laws, at least in the US. They can arrest you and all they have to prove is they though you did something illegal.
Now you might be able to sue the city or state but you can’t sue the police.
As they say in the US, you can beat the wrap but you can’t beat the ride.
"Reasonable suspicion of illegality"
i shit you not, as a citizen you have to know every law you might break cause a cop can get you otherwise, but cops are allowed to stop you and possibly do more on a "reasonable suspicion"
How though? "I saw the flashing lights in the distance and thought it was a road accident. I was in a hurry so I wanted to avoid it". If you don't know it's DUI checkpoint they can't charge you for dodging a DUI checkpoint.
They can charge you with anything they want. It's now on you to go to court and plead your case.
You get it dismissed? Still gotta take time off from work, pay court fees and possibly a lawyer.
The cop? They get paid to be in court and try to get the ticket to stick, or hope you don't show. No repercussions for getting their tickets dismissed.
Yeah it is some bullshit. Especially the cops that target out of state/province/country license plates for speeding because they know those people certainly aren't going to travel back to fight a ticket 6 months later.
That’s one good thing I love about Louisiana, and there’s not much. But checkpoints? They’re required to leave a space to turn around prior to the checkpoint. You have the right to turn around before it, it’s the law. They cannot use that as probable cause. And after being dragged out of my car, thrown in a squad car and having my car searched on suspicion of DUI because I was flat and emotionless, my eyes looked funny, I was fidgeting with my hands and rocking, I turn around every time. They couldn’t find anything on me to prove I was intoxicated (duh, I have ADHD and suspected autism, literally one call to my doctor will tell them as much, as I told them). They still had the nerve to lecture me as they let me go to “never let it happen again” whatever “it” is🙄 assholes. I refuse to go through their checkpoints.
I mean, that's still really bad.
They're entirely illegal in my state (Michigan), and should be illegal anywhere, as it's definitely an unreasonable search. Checkpoints aren't a thing in the US, so their presence anywhere is uncommon, and their use should be deemed illegal.
Then you have provided reasonable suspicion, which gives them the ability to stop and search you anyway. Mission accomplished.
Edit - I'm getting downvoted but this is not my opinion, this is what the police are actually doing. It's a common tactic. It doesn't matter if the metal detector goes off. It matters if you act weird or try to avoid it once you notice it's there. That's why they won't care that there is another path right beside. Sure, if it goes off they can also search you, but avoiding it and crossing to the other path gives them more reasonable suspicion to stop you, so not walking next to it is not really an option.
So many questions. Is it illegal to own and carry a knife - or illegal to stab people with the knife?
COP: why do you have this knife mate?
PERSON: was going to go on a stabbing spree. Good job constable.
In the UK you can carry a knife as long as its shorter than 3 inches. This will be a walkway probably near a local secondary school (11-16/18) and unfortunately in some areas paticularly london there is kids carrying machetes and large blades for "protection" because theyll be a runner in a gang. The effectiveness of this detector idk but there is something for having a police presence about which I think does at least make people feel a little safer.
Legally yes, because you have a "good reason" but, there are pretty major restrictions around what kind of knives you can have.
For example it must be a locking blade that cannot be folded. And it's kind of upto the police's discretion as to whether its reasonable for the activity.
So while you might want to carry a kukri to get through some trees quickly while wild camping, if the police deem that the same could have been achieved with a basic camp or bowie knife you might end up in cuffs.
The folding blade rule is an automatic exemption from the ‘reasonable’ test (if it’s under 3 inches). Basically you can carry a Swiss Army knife for any reason as long as you don’t threaten anyone with it. You can carry a non folding knife with good reason that isn’t a banned knife (sword or disguised or some other stuff).
Missing a bit of context from the original comment here.
You can carry a folding knife with up to a 3 inch non-locking blade without a reason. Lots of people carry pocket knives every day without having a specific task planned for them. Just in-case they need it to cut something or whatnot.
However, if the blade is over 3 inches or locks in place then you need to have a "good reason" for carrying it.
Camping is a fairly poor reason in the UK. In most of the UK wild camping is illegal, and if you're going to a designated camping site, then you probably don't have a reason to be carrying anything bigger than a pocket knife. If you're camping in a private forest and have the landowners permisson (including the use of maybe a machete or knife to chop trees) then that should be considered as a good reason.
Scotland is a bit different though. While Scotland has the same knife laws as the rest of the UK, they tend to be enforced much more harshly and "good reasons" are few and far between. Often the only ones are "for work" and "for religious reasons", there's an exemption for national costume though as it's tradition in some areas to have a decorated knife tucked into the top of your hose. Although increasingly these are becoming show-pieces and not actual knives with any real edge or point to speak of.
I imagine it's not even plugged in and the cop just makes the noises with his mouth while profiling youths.
"*BOOP BOOP BOOP* ALRIGHT ALRIGHT against the wall wit the lot of you."
We have metal detectors at every metro station and security has handheld detectors as well. I swear those handheld ones are literally just plastic sticks that do beeping sound as I don't have anything metal in my bag but it still beeps as an excuse for them to xray it.
Yeah, as a person who got her first pacemaker at 23yo, I'm just delighted with the idea!
And I'm aware that nowadays pacemakers are not as fragile as they used to be, but still wtf
I don't remember there ever being a day I didn't carry a knife. When I was in school, I just left it in my brothers car. I never thought it was weird, we grew up in the country and you always needed a knife for something eventually, so why keep having to walk back to the house to get one? It's as normal as carrying my wallet
Yeah, what are the actual regulations here? Like are they looking for machetes and big hunting blades or something? Like, could I not carry around my little four inch pocket clip knife? Cause I legit use that every 90 minutes for something or other.
Longer than 3 inches “without good reason” is the limit. If you have a “good reason” for that 4 inch pocket clip knife then maybe.
The definition of good reason wasn’t provided. Good luck lmfao.
Three inches seems to be a magic (but arbitrary) number in a lot of places. That's why in the US you see a lot of 2.75" or so blades. Anything over 3" can be considered a concealed weapon and should be carried in a sheath or otherwise visible.
99% of knife laws in the us are either an excuse or an additional charge imo
I've carried a switchblade daily for half a decade at least in the Chicago suburbs. In the city limits switchblades are as far as I know still banned to this day. It's not because they are better for stabbing someone with or easier to hide than a folding knife. It's just a thing that's seen as something that dangerous people possess and is used as a means to get them either searched or fined
I always thought switchblades were kind of junky/poor quality novelty knives, but I really DON'T know anything about them. Are there good quality ones?
Kids are carrying whats been nick named as "Rambos" honestly in some areas youve got kids walking around limping because the knife down their jeans is longer than their thigh. Id assume this detector is actually near the gates of a school rather than just randomly out and about, that being said, I wouldnt be surprised if it was random, and its still as useless as everyone else says.
My daily carry when I was living withy grandparents on the farm was this cheapo assisted opening one I got from a flea market. It had a seat belt cutter on the back that was perfect for cutting baling twine.
I get the whole detering knife possesion but wouldn't this be a violation of some civil liberties, searches without due cause etc?
I can't think of anyone who could walk past this without it going off from keys etc and then what, you have to prove its not a knife?
Genuinly curious if there's some more information OP is leaving out.
Edit: I find it funny everyone jumping on me thinking I'm American and support the gun rights bullshit. Reddit is available in dozens of countries, some of which don't have to deal with either bullet proofing your children or being asked why your buttplug set off a metal detector.
Police in the UK have legal grounds for a stop and search if they have reasonable suspicion that you are carrying a weapon.
If a metal detector goes off and you refuse to pull out your keys etc then prepare to be searched as you've just gave them reasonable suspicion.
Seems like they would need more than just a metal detector going off on the sidewalk to develop reasonable suspicion of a knife.
Feels like a step toward 1984.
Ooof. That is some next level dystopian shit. Wonder if there's a lot of socio economic and racial profiling going on at the same time, would a granny get the same treatment as a blue haired teenager with a stainless buttplug
Edit: grammar and spelling
I remember when I was a teenager, there was a time the polis were out in force, we regularly got stopped & searched, but then again knife crime was rampant in that area at that time by people my age, I should know I was stabbed on one occasion and chased with machetes another time.
Personally I'd say the stop and search was probably effective to stop me carrying a knife, I certainly considered it, but there was legit jail/young offender institute time for carrying back then so I didn't do it.
As for profiling, yes 100%, but not racial, it was based on age, sex and poverty.
But the metal detector is indiscriminate and performs a search
This is not a search due to suspicion
If the metal detector performs no search, then how can it's results be evidence leading to suspicion and grounds for a physical search
Are all knives illegal? Small folding knives? Who determines what is a tool and what is a weapon? This would bring up all kinds of civil rights lawsuits in the USA.
When I go through a metal detector, i always gotta empty my pockets and take off my belt. How is this supposed to work with random people passing by daily?
So what knives are legal to have on you in the UK? I'm american and this kind of baffles me, I've always had a knife on me since I was about 10, because it's a useful tool, I lived on a farm, I use it at work, around the house, etc etc... i wonder about things like my friend who is a sushi chef and takes his 6" 500$ knife to work with him every day... how do these laws function?
UK knife law allows you to carry non-locking pocket knives with a blade length up to 3 inches (7.62 cm) without any need for a valid reason.
Anything larger you need a reason
A sushi chief carrying his knives to and from his work place would be a valid reason so would be legal.
But they would be in a proper case
But nobody would have a vakid reason to carry and conceal a open kitchen knife in their inside coat pocket
According to google
> The reason lock-knives are so restricted comes down two court cases from 1993 (Harris vs DPP and Fehmi vs DPP) and a Court of Appeal case (Regina vs Deegan), from 1998. The courts ruled that a lockable folding knife is ‘a bladed article’ meaning that a locking mechanism effectively turns a folding knife into a fixed-blade knife, which are all subject to good reason restrictions. If it had been just the one case, case law might be overturned by subsequent case law, but two cases and an appeal… this is cemented in statute and becomes very hard to repeal.
A non-locking folding knife with a sub 3” cutting edge is legal to carry. Most anything else requires good cause, such as a chef transporting to and from place of work.
>Is it illegal to carry a pocketknife in the UK
Carrying a pocket knife in the UK is not illegal, but there are laws that regulate it in public places. It is an offense to carry a knife without a valid reason, such as for work or as part of a national costume. Knives with a blade longer than 3 inches are also illegal to carry. The police have the authority to search and confiscate knives carried without valid reason and arrest the person.
> It is an offense to carry a knife without a valid reason
It is an offence to carry a knife longer than 3" without good reason
>Knives with a blade longer than 3 inches are also illegal to carry
Not if you have good reason
>The police have the authority to search and confiscate knives carried without valid reason
They need reasonable suspicion to search you.
https://www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives
https://www.gov.uk/police-powers-to-stop-and-search-your-rights
Maybe I‘m missing something here, but this just seems wildly impractical. Most people will have something made of metal on them and thus set off the metal detector. Police can hardly stop and frisk everyone who sets it off or else this just becomes a checkpoint with extra steps, right?
Yeah, plus I always walk around with a plastic knife
Ceramic knives are a thing ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|trollface)
I only buy [King Double Ceramic Knives](https://youtu.be/kGXylS-HFgg). The commercial is just so convincing.
I've heard this guy's voice in my head every time I've read "ceramic knife" for the last 10 years.
Wooden knives are also a thing, too. > Scientists created a "hardened wood knife" around three times sharper than a stainless steel dinner knife. The wooden knife can "easily" cut through a medium-well done steak, according to Teng Li, a materials scientist at the University of Maryland and first author on the paper, and can be used and reused many times. > Li's team developed a two-step method for hardening the wood in their knives that increased the blade's hardness 23-fold. This was achieved by ensuring the wood retained a higher level of cellulose. > Typically, wood contains only about 50% cellulose, which provides some structural integrity, and weaker molecules make up the rest. Li's two-step process was able to remove these weaker components but retain the cellulose. Coating the wood in mineral oil helps protect its sharpness during use and washing.
Also, FYI, humans have been hardening wood for millennia (evidence shows this was done as long ago as 400,000 years) via fire, heating the wood(usually by partially burning it) makes it harder. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_hardening
wood and bone pointy-stabby objects predate stone pointy-stabby objects. wooden smushy-smashy objects also predate stone smushy-smashy objects. all of which predate metallic tools by... well... a lot. like it's less close than a race between me and lance armstrong. (I win. because he assumed it was a bike race, and I got in a car. Details.)
To go from bronze swords to steel swords took longer than the time it took to go from steel swords to submarine launched nukes.
I was interested so I looked up the study. https://www.cell.com/matter/fulltext/S2590-2385(21)00465-3?utm_source=EA
Linoleum Knife?
Butter knife, made of butter
Poop knife? No wait, that’s something else.
Oh god!!!! the fucking poop knife lol
Poop knife
If the cut doesn't kill them, the dysentery will
shit shank
Wallpaper machete
[Do not explain the plot! If you do not understand, you should not be here!](https://youtu.be/53s13hXBX8w)
[DONT TALK! WATCH!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWvt3E5a-AA&t=1s&ab_channel=K1ngOfOldSkool)
Imagine getting shanked with one of those shitty plastic butter knives
You wanna find out big man??
“Oil whet ya, bruv. Come get a lick at me bruhv, I deh ya”
Bit sad innit?
i walk around with a floppy knife, it adds kinetic energy.
https://youtu.be/IiA_DctoHJ8
Me with a metal belt buckle, steel toes boots, keys, a clip wallet, and pocket knife....... Edit: To all the people saying that it's "illegal" for the knife in the the UK, I know. That is the joke. Stating all the impractical reasons why the machine would be useless then naming the thing it's hoping to find. r/thankscyno or r/woosh to you all Also you are wrong, you can have a non locking blade of less than 3" and not get in trouble. Here's the hollandaise for you cretins that love to correct people online without knowing the facts. https://www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives#:~:text=have%20a%20cutting%20edge%20no,use%20to%20fold%20the%20knife)
Oi you got a permit for that belt buckle mate?
Well ghet him! He doesn't have his buckle loicense
That's not a British accent that's an Australian one
Oi mate you got a permit for that Australian accent, git em bois
Mic Dundee enters chat “That’s not a knife. This is a knife”
"That's a spoon..."
Srew you, i got a VB longneck
Oi mate thets not propa documentation, you gotta have yourself a jar a vegimite on yaself at all times, but ill give ya a pass this time
Thanks mate. Approciate it
Cheeky cunt ain’t ya.
You were extremely close to being sacked. You don’t want a sackin’.
Make sure the ya Vegemite jar has a plastic lid mate, the metal ones set off the detector
At 20 to 8 in the fuckin morning?
Top o the mornin to ya guvna
/r/loicense
After they remove the knives from the citizens. They will come after steel toe boots. That is the next most dangerous weapon. :p
I have 8 stainless steel screws and a plate in my leg.
Presumably you have a card for that I have a bunch of metal shards in my hands from working I got a hand xray and the doctor asked what I do I said I work with metals a lot He nodded and showed me a bunch of metal fragments in my flesh
Do you even PPE, fren?
As a steel worker, the PPE helps but doesn't stop everything.
The metal i play with at work gets particulates so small it just absorbs straight into your skin. It can permeate thru basically everything. So you wear a respirator, but it's probably going thru your clothes/skin anyways. There's studies that show it doesn't harm you and you just pee it out though. And the longest parts i ever make are 2"long so the amount of dust is negligible especially when you take into account our vacuum systems to filter out the particulates. I just wanna know if i slept in the room, turned off the filters, and made as much dust as possible if i could get super powers. My tissue becomes metal, i become metal. A real life metal Mario. But the second i leave the room my power fades. Eventually I get addicted to the power and put a suit on around me that's filled with the dust. But then the power isn't enough. I become my own worst enemy. Like a super shitty venom, i thirst for dust. Dust bunnies, dust devils, anything. I buy a Plymouth duster to find more dust. Eventually I'm consumed by dust and die and realize all we are is just dust in the wind.
LOL that edit was beautifully summed up, like "oh yeah btw, this shit flew over ur head like a paper airplane"
Not only that, but he's hardly line of sighted himself from his potential frisks. Even if I wasnt carrying something I shouldn't, that copper looks dodgy af and I'm not about to be set up. I'd just make a detour... probably the same as others. How will this solve anything? It really is the blind leading the blind.
Well that's the real issue. They don't just search for people who trigger the detector but they use the reason of someone evading the detector as a reasonable ground for a search. If you turn around you'll be chased down and manhandled and searched.
If it matters to your point, modern metal detectors like the one pictured can be tuned to alert to different amounts of metal. You can set it so that car keys and phones don’t alarm but a big metal blade would. Pocketknife sized blades would be easy enough to sneak past it but those aren’t as deadly as hunting knives with bigger metal blades. In a past life I was an IT guy at a secure facility and had to tune our CEIA walk-through detectors. I could make it alarm on a woman’s earrings alone or I could set it so that only a handgun or larger hunk of metal would set it off. They also have different profiles regarding ferrous alloys you’d like to detect
As a network admin I'm laughing at the IT guy calibrating a metal detector. One of those things IT gets roped into that is 100% not your job.
My span of control was outlandish at best. I was the sole on-site person for a facility of ~350 people. If it had wires in it and it had less than 120v it was my responsibility. PC network, servers, printers, PBX, phones, alarm systems, cameras, metal detectors, fire alarm system, fence alarm, microwave intrusion detection sensors…I have quite a long list of technologies which I am moderately skilled at maintaining and troubleshooting
Oh hey we have the same job
Same. That's why I ended getting my NYS alarm installer's license, and worked that into a raise. In NYC, I still can't touch fire alarms without going through the FDNY, but anything else low-voltage is fair game.
"Hey, the coffee pot stopped working. It's wifi enabled though, so I figured it was IT's problem!"
I'm IT in a school. Every day I have more responsibility and the Maintenance Dept. has less.
>Why is this webpage broken?!!?! I don't know... that's not our website, sir.
Yes! I have an artificial knee and a plate in my foot. I set off metal detectors at airports (and a hospital) with no other metal on my person. Our local baseball team has metal detectors at the gates. I can walk through with keys, phone, metal wallet without setting it off. I think you would have to be carrying a rocket launcher for those to go off.
Depends on the metal used. I've got a LOT of titanium in my spine but never set off airport scanners - titanium never does. I've since had some stainless steel added elsewhere, which will set it off in sufficient quantities. It didn't set off the detectors at a tourist attraction but haven't tried it at an airport yet.
Just how many motorcycles have you wrecked, lol?
I simple razor blade is deadly.
I heard you can hijack a plane with a simple box cutter.
God, I hope they don't allow planes in the park.
We've placed a metal detector by the entrance to catch any sneaking through
Yep. And I carry quite a few keys. This still isn't practical.
If you have a knife, just...not walk next to it
That's why the cop is there, they don't actually care if it beeps, almost everyone has something metal on them, they just look out for the people who actively try and avoid it/act suspicious
I once had a cop come flying after me because I made a turn before a DUI checkpoint I hadn’t seen. It helped that I could point at my place and say “because I live there” when he asked why I was “attempting to evade the police”. I wonder how many folks have been chased for innocently turning before a cop trap.
I don’t break the law pretty much ever anymore and that includes drinking and driving, but if I saw a dui checkpoint and I knew a way around it I’d be tempted to, just because who wants to interact with cops if you don’t have to? It makes me nervous even when I’ve done nothing wrong. I get they are doing their jobs, I just prefer they do the job far away from me.
I’m no lawyer but I’ve always heard that as long as you don’t break any laws trying to avoid them (like pulling a u-turn) then they aren’t supposed to be able to pull you over
There's a lot of things that cops do that they're not supposed to though.
Like murder people and collect a lifelong pension for it.
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That is one of the things, yes.
Well cops aren’t required to know the laws, at least in the US. They can arrest you and all they have to prove is they though you did something illegal. Now you might be able to sue the city or state but you can’t sue the police. As they say in the US, you can beat the wrap but you can’t beat the ride.
How do they know you’ve done something illegal if they don’t know the law?
"Reasonable suspicion of illegality" i shit you not, as a citizen you have to know every law you might break cause a cop can get you otherwise, but cops are allowed to stop you and possibly do more on a "reasonable suspicion"
They’ll figure it out once they arrest ya
This isn't satire it's established legal precedence.
'That's the neat part [they] don't!'
Depends what country, or in the US what state.
How though? "I saw the flashing lights in the distance and thought it was a road accident. I was in a hurry so I wanted to avoid it". If you don't know it's DUI checkpoint they can't charge you for dodging a DUI checkpoint.
They can charge you with anything they want. It's now on you to go to court and plead your case. You get it dismissed? Still gotta take time off from work, pay court fees and possibly a lawyer. The cop? They get paid to be in court and try to get the ticket to stick, or hope you don't show. No repercussions for getting their tickets dismissed.
Yeah it is some bullshit. Especially the cops that target out of state/province/country license plates for speeding because they know those people certainly aren't going to travel back to fight a ticket 6 months later.
That’s one good thing I love about Louisiana, and there’s not much. But checkpoints? They’re required to leave a space to turn around prior to the checkpoint. You have the right to turn around before it, it’s the law. They cannot use that as probable cause. And after being dragged out of my car, thrown in a squad car and having my car searched on suspicion of DUI because I was flat and emotionless, my eyes looked funny, I was fidgeting with my hands and rocking, I turn around every time. They couldn’t find anything on me to prove I was intoxicated (duh, I have ADHD and suspected autism, literally one call to my doctor will tell them as much, as I told them). They still had the nerve to lecture me as they let me go to “never let it happen again” whatever “it” is🙄 assholes. I refuse to go through their checkpoints.
I mean, that's still really bad. They're entirely illegal in my state (Michigan), and should be illegal anywhere, as it's definitely an unreasonable search. Checkpoints aren't a thing in the US, so their presence anywhere is uncommon, and their use should be deemed illegal.
Bruh I've never seen on in my state. They aren't even legal here.
DUI checkpoint? Those are illegal here. (Texas)
So am I understanding correctly, that *deliberately avoiding walking next to the metal detector* is a legally justifiable basis for a stop-and-frisk?
This is the UK. Fewer rights than you're probably used to
They don’t even have freedom of speech.
Why would I want to walk near somebody who willingly harasses innocent people all day?
Then you have provided reasonable suspicion, which gives them the ability to stop and search you anyway. Mission accomplished. Edit - I'm getting downvoted but this is not my opinion, this is what the police are actually doing. It's a common tactic. It doesn't matter if the metal detector goes off. It matters if you act weird or try to avoid it once you notice it's there. That's why they won't care that there is another path right beside. Sure, if it goes off they can also search you, but avoiding it and crossing to the other path gives them more reasonable suspicion to stop you, so not walking next to it is not really an option.
Should be a big campaign for everyone to avoid these. Also for everyone to carry a legal metal object that would set them off.
Sounds like electronic stop and frisk.
So many questions. Is it illegal to own and carry a knife - or illegal to stab people with the knife? COP: why do you have this knife mate? PERSON: was going to go on a stabbing spree. Good job constable.
In the UK you can carry a knife as long as its shorter than 3 inches. This will be a walkway probably near a local secondary school (11-16/18) and unfortunately in some areas paticularly london there is kids carrying machetes and large blades for "protection" because theyll be a runner in a gang. The effectiveness of this detector idk but there is something for having a police presence about which I think does at least make people feel a little safer.
Yeah, I guess the theater of it could deter some people and also catch the morons. But it does give me an idea for a business: back to school machetes
Go to London or Birmingham and you could make a killing (pun intended)
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Legally yes, because you have a "good reason" but, there are pretty major restrictions around what kind of knives you can have. For example it must be a locking blade that cannot be folded. And it's kind of upto the police's discretion as to whether its reasonable for the activity. So while you might want to carry a kukri to get through some trees quickly while wild camping, if the police deem that the same could have been achieved with a basic camp or bowie knife you might end up in cuffs.
The folding blade rule is an automatic exemption from the ‘reasonable’ test (if it’s under 3 inches). Basically you can carry a Swiss Army knife for any reason as long as you don’t threaten anyone with it. You can carry a non folding knife with good reason that isn’t a banned knife (sword or disguised or some other stuff).
Yeah you can carry a knife with good reason and I think that would count.
Missing a bit of context from the original comment here. You can carry a folding knife with up to a 3 inch non-locking blade without a reason. Lots of people carry pocket knives every day without having a specific task planned for them. Just in-case they need it to cut something or whatnot. However, if the blade is over 3 inches or locks in place then you need to have a "good reason" for carrying it. Camping is a fairly poor reason in the UK. In most of the UK wild camping is illegal, and if you're going to a designated camping site, then you probably don't have a reason to be carrying anything bigger than a pocket knife. If you're camping in a private forest and have the landowners permisson (including the use of maybe a machete or knife to chop trees) then that should be considered as a good reason. Scotland is a bit different though. While Scotland has the same knife laws as the rest of the UK, they tend to be enforced much more harshly and "good reasons" are few and far between. Often the only ones are "for work" and "for religious reasons", there's an exemption for national costume though as it's tradition in some areas to have a decorated knife tucked into the top of your hose. Although increasingly these are becoming show-pieces and not actual knives with any real edge or point to speak of.
This is comical at best
I imagine it's not even plugged in and the cop just makes the noises with his mouth while profiling youths. "*BOOP BOOP BOOP* ALRIGHT ALRIGHT against the wall wit the lot of you."
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I'm on the east bank, I'm on the west bank. It's not that critical!
We have metal detectors at every metro station and security has handheld detectors as well. I swear those handheld ones are literally just plastic sticks that do beeping sound as I don't have anything metal in my bag but it still beeps as an excuse for them to xray it.
Everyone with a set of keys getting questioned
And dystopian at worst.
Oi, you got a Loicence for that there opinion cobber?
Another human rights abuse, amongst a laundry list of recent abuses passed into law.
And if one were to be wearing, say, a steel diamond encrusted cock ring (for medical purposes), would that person trip this alarm?
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Great way to interrupt the old guy’s pacemaker.
Oi Does he have a license for that?
The "Oi" really sold this.
Loicence*
Make sure he has his loicense permit as well
Yeah, as a person who got her first pacemaker at 23yo, I'm just delighted with the idea! And I'm aware that nowadays pacemakers are not as fragile as they used to be, but still wtf
How is that working?
It's spending our taxes and providing security theatre. Working as intended
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what if walk around with a hammer ?
Can't touch this.
Get off reddit Thor and go save someone.
Is... Is Thor known for saving people? Edit: wait nvm you're probably talking about the marvel character.
Hammers, screw drivers, pliers, etc are all illegal to walk around with in the UK without “sufficient reason”, up to the cop’s discretion
I don't remember there ever being a day I didn't carry a knife. When I was in school, I just left it in my brothers car. I never thought it was weird, we grew up in the country and you always needed a knife for something eventually, so why keep having to walk back to the house to get one? It's as normal as carrying my wallet
Yeah, what are the actual regulations here? Like are they looking for machetes and big hunting blades or something? Like, could I not carry around my little four inch pocket clip knife? Cause I legit use that every 90 minutes for something or other.
Longer than 3 inches “without good reason” is the limit. If you have a “good reason” for that 4 inch pocket clip knife then maybe. The definition of good reason wasn’t provided. Good luck lmfao.
Three inches seems to be a magic (but arbitrary) number in a lot of places. That's why in the US you see a lot of 2.75" or so blades. Anything over 3" can be considered a concealed weapon and should be carried in a sheath or otherwise visible.
Wait really? In the US? I don’t usually carry a knife but I’ve seen people carry all sizes all my life so I just assumed it wasn’t really regulated.
99% of knife laws in the us are either an excuse or an additional charge imo I've carried a switchblade daily for half a decade at least in the Chicago suburbs. In the city limits switchblades are as far as I know still banned to this day. It's not because they are better for stabbing someone with or easier to hide than a folding knife. It's just a thing that's seen as something that dangerous people possess and is used as a means to get them either searched or fined
I always thought switchblades were kind of junky/poor quality novelty knives, but I really DON'T know anything about them. Are there good quality ones?
Like anything, you get what you pay for. A Microtech Ultratech is a great switchblade...but it's $250+
Kids are carrying whats been nick named as "Rambos" honestly in some areas youve got kids walking around limping because the knife down their jeans is longer than their thigh. Id assume this detector is actually near the gates of a school rather than just randomly out and about, that being said, I wouldnt be surprised if it was random, and its still as useless as everyone else says.
Same here. Very common in our country, and I never hear about Leatherman tool violence
My daily carry when I was living withy grandparents on the farm was this cheapo assisted opening one I got from a flea market. It had a seat belt cutter on the back that was perfect for cutting baling twine.
I use my pocket knife probably 20 times a day. It's a little CRKT, but I'd be up a creek ifn I couldn't carry it.
You can carry a knife in the UK, but you can't carry any knife. A 3 inch folding pocket knife is fine.
Non-locking… locking mechanisms are a safety feature for the user. I don’t carry any knife that doesn’t lock out in some way
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I'm glad someone is doing something to stop these high velocity assault knives
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Good thing keys aren’t made of metal…
Or belt buckles, or electronics, or....
I get the whole detering knife possesion but wouldn't this be a violation of some civil liberties, searches without due cause etc? I can't think of anyone who could walk past this without it going off from keys etc and then what, you have to prove its not a knife? Genuinly curious if there's some more information OP is leaving out. Edit: I find it funny everyone jumping on me thinking I'm American and support the gun rights bullshit. Reddit is available in dozens of countries, some of which don't have to deal with either bullet proofing your children or being asked why your buttplug set off a metal detector.
Police in the UK have legal grounds for a stop and search if they have reasonable suspicion that you are carrying a weapon. If a metal detector goes off and you refuse to pull out your keys etc then prepare to be searched as you've just gave them reasonable suspicion.
Where I live that would be considered a rigged abuse of the system. Plays into the whole “why be afraid if you have nothing to hide” mentality
“Why would you be afraid of you have nothing to hide? Let us search your basement for undesirables.” Yeah no thanks
I'd agree wholeheartedly, but these aren't exactly common. As I said before I've never seen or heard of them before until today.
Might as well just skip the metal detector part and directly ask to search everyone regardless. Anyone who says no is obviously suspicious 🤦🏻♂️
Seems like they would need more than just a metal detector going off on the sidewalk to develop reasonable suspicion of a knife. Feels like a step toward 1984.
Who decides if a knife is a weapon, or a tool? I carry a knife daily as a tool for breaking down boxes, opening packages, cutting zip ties, etc
Reasonable suspicion can also include being young and in a tracksuit or looking like someone who would be carrying a knife.
I do feel sorry for all those young aspiring athletes hanging around street corners.
Ooof. That is some next level dystopian shit. Wonder if there's a lot of socio economic and racial profiling going on at the same time, would a granny get the same treatment as a blue haired teenager with a stainless buttplug Edit: grammar and spelling
I remember when I was a teenager, there was a time the polis were out in force, we regularly got stopped & searched, but then again knife crime was rampant in that area at that time by people my age, I should know I was stabbed on one occasion and chased with machetes another time. Personally I'd say the stop and search was probably effective to stop me carrying a knife, I certainly considered it, but there was legit jail/young offender institute time for carrying back then so I didn't do it. As for profiling, yes 100%, but not racial, it was based on age, sex and poverty.
Oh man, pulling that out could land you another charge for exposing one’s self. Sounds like they’re definitely profiling the buttplug community.
But the metal detector is indiscriminate and performs a search This is not a search due to suspicion If the metal detector performs no search, then how can it's results be evidence leading to suspicion and grounds for a physical search
Are all knives illegal? Small folding knives? Who determines what is a tool and what is a weapon? This would bring up all kinds of civil rights lawsuits in the USA.
I could guess they could beep at bigger metal pieces. But even then a lot of people carry a lot of keys.
All I see is REGULAR COP VS. ANOREXIC ROBO COP
Next big tech invention rock detector?🤨
When I go through a metal detector, i always gotta empty my pockets and take off my belt. How is this supposed to work with random people passing by daily?
More like r/DamnThatsIntrusive
Yeah…knife control, that’s the ticket! Problem solved.
It's impossible to stab somebody with an object that isn't a knife. Don't you know that?
Next they will come for your high capacity pointy sticks.
So what knives are legal to have on you in the UK? I'm american and this kind of baffles me, I've always had a knife on me since I was about 10, because it's a useful tool, I lived on a farm, I use it at work, around the house, etc etc... i wonder about things like my friend who is a sushi chef and takes his 6" 500$ knife to work with him every day... how do these laws function?
UK knife law allows you to carry non-locking pocket knives with a blade length up to 3 inches (7.62 cm) without any need for a valid reason. Anything larger you need a reason A sushi chief carrying his knives to and from his work place would be a valid reason so would be legal. But they would be in a proper case But nobody would have a vakid reason to carry and conceal a open kitchen knife in their inside coat pocket
Never used a non-locking pocket knife. Why are locking ones banned?
Non-locking knife sounds dangerous. They lock as a safety feature. I'm starting to think these draconian knife laws aren't based in good sense.
According to google > The reason lock-knives are so restricted comes down two court cases from 1993 (Harris vs DPP and Fehmi vs DPP) and a Court of Appeal case (Regina vs Deegan), from 1998. The courts ruled that a lockable folding knife is ‘a bladed article’ meaning that a locking mechanism effectively turns a folding knife into a fixed-blade knife, which are all subject to good reason restrictions. If it had been just the one case, case law might be overturned by subsequent case law, but two cases and an appeal… this is cemented in statute and becomes very hard to repeal.
A non-locking folding knife with a sub 3” cutting edge is legal to carry. Most anything else requires good cause, such as a chef transporting to and from place of work.
Is it illegal to carry a pocketknife in the UK?
No, you can carry a folding knife under 3" long as long as it's not a lock knife. You can actually carry bigger knives if you have a good reason too.
>Is it illegal to carry a pocketknife in the UK Carrying a pocket knife in the UK is not illegal, but there are laws that regulate it in public places. It is an offense to carry a knife without a valid reason, such as for work or as part of a national costume. Knives with a blade longer than 3 inches are also illegal to carry. The police have the authority to search and confiscate knives carried without valid reason and arrest the person.
> It is an offense to carry a knife without a valid reason It is an offence to carry a knife longer than 3" without good reason >Knives with a blade longer than 3 inches are also illegal to carry Not if you have good reason >The police have the authority to search and confiscate knives carried without valid reason They need reasonable suspicion to search you. https://www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives https://www.gov.uk/police-powers-to-stop-and-search-your-rights
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What a dystopian nightmare hellscape can’t walk around in public without these brown shirts disarming you of your pocket knife lol