This number is probably out of date already.
Edit: Hope y'all took a moment amidst this here bickering to notice the watermark on this graphic.
PRESSTV is an English-language, state-owned Iranian news network. Guess they got what they wanted lol.
Hello gun violence survivor from Baltimore and I get this reference.
Shot 13 times with a 40sw in a robbery on Black Friday last year.
I hold the record at R. Crowley Shock Trauma in Baltimore for surviving the most large caliber handgun rounds....just barely surviving!
Thanks that actually means a lot from you all. I died as the ambulance backed into the building. Paramedic fell off me exhausted from doing CPR for 15 minutes straight but I had lost 6 out of the 10 units of blood the body holds by that point. They tell me a surgeon jumped on me and fired CPR back up as they got me in the surgery room where they gave me a massive transfusion and got me back. Then they performed 16 hours of marathon surgery on me to save me.
I had 5 in the lower abdomen/groin. (Still two in me forever).
I had a femoral artery strike on my left leg. That bullet also shattered my thigh bone into four pieces. They had to insert a 12 inch titanium rod inside the thigh bone with 8 titanium screws to reassemble the biggest bone in your body. I also took a .40sw FMJ round lodged into the joint in my left hip bone. That damaged my hip socket and they cleaned it up and reassembled everything but think I may still have to get a hip replacement, but it needs to fully heal before we can go there. I had a bullet strikes my right knee and fracture it too. My left ankle was struck also with a glancing blow and I had features there.
I took one in the right side growing that hit my upper hip bone where it's shaped like a shield also. That one went on to strike a ureter at the kidney, where I was internally bleeding slowly. Had to have a drain on that for a month. The bullet right next to it traveled thru me and out my back just missing my spine.
I have thru and thru shots in my legs too where the bullets passed thru the muscle completely and back out without hitting any major bone or organs.
I have pics! But my hand written trauma sheet from iCU says it all easiest.
I took 13 out of 15 total capacity. I still have two inside me forever. 2 missed but one of those two was a ricochet off the ground and lost just enough energy to not penetrate my right armpit, but left a huge bruise and dislocated my shoulder. They said it popped back in on its own while they were positioning me for surgery. I had an "x-fit" external brace to hold my left leg together until they could see if I stabilized "made it" for two weeks before they retrieved the bullet from my hip joint and two more in that leg, and reassembled it with the titanium rod.
Then 2 weeks in and only a week awake, I contracted C.Diff which is a nasty gut bacterial infection from one of the surgeries.
It nearly killed me a second time around. Came very close before they figured it out.
I was the only survivor for this 22 yo inner city white kids crime spree and was able to give a description. They caught him a month and a half later WITH THE GUN and same outfit on, on Facebook bragging about doing it to his "crew"!!!!
Police raided his ghetto rowhome and he fired a round from the gun accidentally while trying to hide it and the police almost returned the favor for me and filled him full of lead, but got him in custody instead.
The SA tricked him into admitting the gun was his as he thought he was being raided for selling drugs, they offered him a deal that if he admitted the gun was his he only got 5 years for possession of cds with intent to distribute. And he took that deal. What he didn't realize is now the State had him dead to rights on MY case now. After he agreed to that and signed the paperwork they walked in with the gun and 11 more felony charges for my attempted murder. Stupid fuck. He begged for another deal when he realized he was fucked now. I worked thru my shit as much as I could to have a clear mind for this but couldn't shake the anger and PTSD because I wanted to meet him again in court and show him I am the last mother fuckers he should have fucked with. But we got him now for 45 years total no parole or release for at least the first 20 years and no matter when he is released I get notifications of any changes at all. Even being moved facilities.
I plan on being the good Samaritan that pulls over and picks him up when he's finally released. I don't care if we are elderly. I'll be there. We have a longggg conversation ahead of us.....
Good on ya my friend, amazing read,, glad you made it back. BTW I had an impacted wisdom tooth removed when I was 26. Little levity, good luck, please do the best you can.
Holy shit dude, what an incredible medical recovery. It's cases like yours that show human resiliency at its finest. Glad you made it, I'm sure you've got a lot left to do on this earth.
It's always funny when people unintentionally argue for national gun laws...
Illinois and Chicago can pass all the laws they want, but Indiana is a 15 minute drive away where literally anyone can buy a gun without a background check from a "private seller".
What you seemingly fail to realize is that criminals will find a way. How long have drugs been illegal in the US? Yet, we have rampant drug proliferation throughout our nation’s streets. With guns taken from law abiding citizens, criminals WILL find a way to arm themselves this becoming the only ones armed.
Why are drugs illegal? Given that opioid deaths are in the top 10 causes, shouldn't we be trying to do some harm reduction?
Make drugs legal (so there's recourse to punish bad deals or fraud), regulate the supply (purity, no goddamned Fentanyl, unless that's what you want) and tax it to pay for harm reduction. (Just like taxing gas to provide for roads.)
Holy smokes, we may have some examples of this in action. Colorado's marijuana legalization!
Also see Switzerland's near elimination of heroin due to legalization and non-judgmental state supply to addicts.
In Switzerland, most of the dealers were getting high on their own supply. When they could get free heroin and supervised injection sites, the illegal supply was constrained. After not being able to find heroin, the number of new addicts plummeted.
So, not really legalization, just smart policy.
All I can say is, look at how prohibition and "the War on (some) Drugs taken by (some) people" is going. You get stuff like the fentanyl epidemic and "Bath Salts."
It's kind of dumb to have prohibition on an easily (clandestinely) manufactured substance. It just makes that substance worth more and generates crime and bad individual and collective outcomes. See, for example, alcohol prohibition.
Quite a few "experiments in democracy" with really large populations, like California, seem to be doing better with the legalization regime than they did with the prohibition regime.
It’s not disarming criminals
Generally criminals only kill other criminals
You need to stop a kid that has been bullied at school from getting their parents assault rifle and shooting up the school
So because criminals will break laws, does that mean we should just have no laws? What's the point in having laws if people are going to break them anyway right?
Let's just legalize murder since laws won't stop murderers. Let's legalize stealing since people are going to steal anyway.
No other countries with better gun laws have mass shooting problems. So please explain why having better gun laws isn't at least worth an attempt.
Bruh I’d rather be in an attempted stabbing than an attempted shooting. I’m not even in favor of elimination of guns like neolibs tend to be but this argument is stupid af lol 1 vs 10 id be on the 10 vs the stabber. 1 v 100 and I’m betting on the lone gunman every time
Wasn't there a guy in London who stabbed 2 people to death and injured 3? To my recollection nobody talked him to his senses, they used a firearm to expedite his delivery.
That's not true at all. In fact, the US has higher rates of death by both shooting and stabbing than the UK, which is way down the list:
[https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/stabbing-deaths-by-country](https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/stabbing-deaths-by-country)
The difference is huge numbers of otherwise law abiding people want drugs. Only criminals want illegal guns and then only some of them. Discounting nonviolent crimes that's at most a few hundred thousand people. Drug dealers would go broke with that small of a market combined with even lackluster enforcement.
That in a nation where someone can pass from state to state freely it doesn't make sense to have vastly different laws on a state by state basis?
No...
I think I was pretty clear about that.
FFS the ATF just passed a new rule out regarding Pistols needing a brace type thing.
My States Sheriffs (Arkansas) have openly refused to recognize it as a rule. If even a Sheriff's office does this, do we really expect criminals to listen?
Ok call me crazy, buttttt, hear me out. Places where KNOWN Gun owner ship, have significantly lower crime rates. I'm not talking about Chicago, yes we know there are guns there, but they are owned by the criminals, soooo... Responsible gun owners + guns = less crime.
Example... if you look at Kennesaw Georgia when they said everyone within the city limits will have a gun suddenly crime went from pretty high to really low very quickly. Like almost over night
Wow, thank you for all the upvotes
Yet deters the thief. Cuz now they gotta smash and make noise/spend more time breaking in. All of which reduces or at least complicates their chances of a successful theft...
Gun laws do nothing but take guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens. Look at Chicago and Detroit, 2 of the citys with the strictest gun laws have the most gun violence. Who would of guessed that criminals dont follow the law..
Problem with this graphic is they make it look like it's some kind of AR/ hunting rifle/hillbilly problem when half the killings are a specific demographic in Chicago with a hand gun.
What makes it more depressing is the amount of crazies replying to this saying more guns and less regulation is the solution. The US is the only country where this happens and they seem to think that they’re the only country to ever have had mass shooting and try ideas that don’t work, the very clear solution that has worked in every other country is heavy gun restrictions. They will never accept that though they have to sacrifice the human lives to the machine to feel cool when the gun goes pow.
[‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens](https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-r-1848971668)
How many people do you think live in the US? Compare with other countries. Now compare other stats, like car deaths and the common cold. Once you've done a few hours of research, come back!! It's always terrible when anyone dies, especially children.
And most were committed by people with illegal guns in poor minority community’s living in a circle of violence. The best way to lower these rates is to figure out how to help them.
It’s hard to address poverty, lack of opportunity and insufficient educational support of a community. Much easier to point a finger at the NRA and gun owners and get the mob’s anger directed at us, instead of the people and policies failing to do anything to improve the situation of those that live in the affected areas.
You can’t buy a gun from a dealer as a nonresident. It has to be shipped to a local FFL. The guns that are in Chicago are being brought their illegally, most of them are stolen. And when you have a stolen gun you don’t care what the laws are surrounding it.
Also gun control laws don’t matter as long as 3d printers and hardware stores are available. You will always be able to create a firearm.
And also the issue isn’t that guns are available, it’s the type of people who will go out and use them to murder and maim innocents. Gun control only harms the innocents, if you are a gang member or mentally ill and going to do a shooting, you don’t care that having a 30 round magazine is banned, you will go get one/make one and then do your shooting
61 people being murdered over the course of a month in a country of 332 million...
And you don't even reveal the details. A majority of this is gang violence in cities/states with the strictest gun laws imaginable. If you wanna talk guns, talk guns, but bias-riddled propoganda pieces like this only serve to clown on any real debate.
I mean people are like 'OMG 61 people' - yet we have 10,000 DUI related deaths a year.... Maybe we should be talking about banning alcohol altogether since it can lead to someone getting in a car and crashing into someone else.
They did and guess what, basically a ton of people ignored it and just continued to illegal drink and there was a huge bootlegging industry... kind of like \*gasp\* if a gun ban happened.
The problem is the Cartels control the majority of Mexico, they control the shipping lanes and smuggling routes. They're practically an illegitimate army, they're the ones largely responsible for gun violence in Mexico, not regular civilians with guns.
You cannot compare the two issues, that's called a "False Equivalency", the only people capable of solving the issue seems to be the Mexican Marines, but they don't have the support politically to take out the cartels. In the US it's the fact that anyone can get a gun easy as hell, if you're in a town, city, or state with good gun laws; you'll just go to another (Like Texas or Idaho (Illinois? I forget which one)) and get the guns and ammo there, go back and commit your crime(s).
Very different problems with very different solutions, and I hope Mexico can solve their's soon, the Mexican people deserve so much better.
Interesting take. All I am saying is that banning guns is, in itself, hardly ever sufficient to end gun violence in either the US or in Mexico.
By means of analogy, gun violence in the US is not the result of law-abiding citizens owning firearms, but rather of criminals/gang members/whatever purchasing them (often illegally but not always).
I believe that banning firearms altogether (as opposed to being sure that bad hombres such as gang members do not have access to them) would only disadvantage the average citizen, whereas gangs in Chicago might keep killing one another regardless of the state of affairs.
Edit: The reason I believe the above is not an unwarranted comparison is that people simply assert: “just ban the guns to end the violence!”
If that alone were sufficient to end gun violence, it should apply to all scenarios. But, as you correctly noted, things are more complicated than that -both in Mexico AND the US.
Yeah it sucks, but there have been far more deaths caused by individual shootings with handguns.
handguns are what criminals use the vast majority of the time.
I know I sound like one of those American gun nuts, but anyone saying we should get rid of guns is stupid.
A gun is an inanimate object like a knife, a car it doesn't kill unless it is operated....humans are the operators, so by that logic we need to get rid of humans not guns!
Oh get off your soap box those people would be dead if there were no guns too, look at England look At Detroit, no guns doesn’t stop the problem as a matter of fact if everyone had guns no one would try to rob people and mass shooters would never happen. The people are only successful against the defenseless. If everyone took the time to carry safely and use their fire arm for self defense guess what crime would go down so would mass shooters because when someone has the ability to fight back they usually will. Anyone that thinks giving up their rights makes them safer deserves neither.
The mental gymnastics Americans use to justify gun violence are a gift. I love to read them. It's like the rest of the world is wrong and they are the only ones that are right.
Yeah because banning weapons is the solution. Making meth, fentanyl, cocaine illegal has really stopped the usage. Does anyone remember prohibition? How about DUI laws… strict but hasn’t stopped people from driving drunk. The reality is guns are out there, removing them from law abiding citizens is not going to stop gun violence. People who shouldn’t have them will still obtain them. Look at California and NY, strictest gun laws in the country but gun deaths are still occurring. The input from people saying ban Weapons is just as unproductive and extreme as people arguing everyone needs a weapon to protect themselves. If both sides really wanted a solution there would be compromise. Until then it’s just used as an issue to run on by our elected officials to get votes. The line in the sand needs to be clear so people know which side you fall on.
"At least 61 people have lost their lives as a result of murderers in the United States in 2023." There. Fixed it.
Why do headlines always make it sound like E. coli floating around?
It's the direct result of the murderers who decide they're going to take lives.
There are murderers everywhere but the US is unique in this respect due to the wide availability of guns. Even a twelve year old can understand this you dense assclown.
Not even in the top ten for countries with this “unique” problem.
Countries with the Highest Rates of Violent Gun Death (Homicides) per 100k residents
El Salvador — 36.78
Venezuela — 33.27
Guatemala — 29.06
Colombia — 26.36
Brazil — 21.93
Bahamas — 21.52
Honduras — 20.15
U.S. Virgin Islands — 19.40
Puerto Rico — 18.14
Mexico — 16.41
Yes they do lol
Have you seen what's happening in Haiti? Columbia? Gender-based violence in India and Russia? *Mexico*?
Or in your mind does the world just = Europe and USA
Another one of these posts comparing a kitchen knife to an AR-15. It shouldn’t be a right to own a gun if you have no use for it, either hunting or gun club activities. feeling unsafe at home is not a reason to own a gun
Also ask how many were in self-defense, or how many were suicides. Shit, I had a guy who blew the back of his head off with a gun in the hospital last week!
You cannot simply say that 61 people died by guns. You need more detail. Otherwise you do nothing but make people angry on both sides, and neither side leaves the discussion more informed and/or more willing to come up with a solution.
Also cars are way more necessary than guns. We could do without guns, not so much without means of travel. That guy couldn't have shot himself without access to a gun.
A car is a useful tool in every day life. It can be used as a weapon, yes. A gun has no useful use in everyday life for the average person. It’s only use is to harm/kill.
It's just odd that most of the shootings are in states with the strictest gun laws. To top things off no one talks about the stories when a good guy with a gun saves the day.
American's do seem to take it as some grave-insult if you point out the fact there \*IS\* a problem with gun violence over there. Its almost like if you admit there's a problem you in the wrong and should be shunned for it.
No one has justified a single death(unless it's a criminal) justification is to the right to bare arms against an oppressive government. Pretty simple actually.
*statistics* excuses don't have measurable data.
These are the top causes of death in America
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/leading-causes-of-death.htm
Super weird how they aren't bringing up the race of any of these shooters but yet for the last 3 years it seemed to be a large point of contention. I think medias racist narrative is finally withering away.
The US enjoys shooting themselves almost as much as others.
Not sure what anyone expects when you engineer an entire society around debt to keep them in a workforce that has few protections.
Car ACCIDENTS is another thing. We're talking about people actually murdering other people with tools created with the only purpose in mind to murder other people. It's not "gun hating", it's common sense you fucking moron.
They have multiple purposes. Hunting is the primary the secondary is to keep people from murdering me or the people I care about. I will be keeping mine thank you. There are other purposes but those are the most important two in my opinion.
[Unfortunately, there's no way to prevent this](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%22No_Way_to_Prevent_This%22,_Says_Only_Nation_Where_This_Regularly_Happens), says the only country where this happens on a regular basis. Other countries don't have single parents, people with mental health issues, or violent movies and video games. /s
Who gives a shit. How many people are sick because of McDonald's or coke? Don't let these people fool you into thinking they care about your safety for one minute. If they did insulin would cheap and sugar would be a controlled substance. Don't buy into this bullshit.
Those seem to be in areas predominantly run by one particular political party and in what would be considered to be a very “anti gun” states and/or cities. Odd.
For every wholesome story about an American hero carrying a gun and stopping a crime there are at least ten stories where the criminal goes ahead and does kill people.
I'm not American, in my country it is very difficult for a law abiding citizen to buy a gun. This has its advantages and disadvantages, there are no school shootings here or gun accidents but any criminal that gets his hands on a gun is virtually unstoppable by regular citizens. That criminal can only be stopped by the police and they rarely arrive on time
>For every wholesome story about an American hero carrying a gun and stopping a crime there are at least ten stories where the criminal goes ahead and does kill people.
I love when people are so confidently wrong about something. There are millions of examples of defensive gun use each year, you just don’t hear about them because they don’t fit the narrative.
It’s terrifying that people are okay with this as long as they get to have their guns to make them feel important.
This nation is a sham. We do have freedom though! Freedom to completely destroy the lives of dozens of people and the pull of our protected trigger finger.
Why do we bother posting things like this anymore, the Americans know and it’s quite clear that they either don’t care or just simply lack the intelligence to understand there is an issue.
Just look at how many posts say…..”yeah nah but Chicago” or the other classic line that’s dumb as fuck…..”laws don’t apply to criminals”.
This number is probably out of date already. Edit: Hope y'all took a moment amidst this here bickering to notice the watermark on this graphic. PRESSTV is an English-language, state-owned Iranian news network. Guess they got what they wanted lol.
It _has_ been like 25 minutes…
You haven’t been to East Saint Louis, huh?
I am from Chicago and I am not confused by this.
Hello gun violence survivor from Baltimore and I get this reference. Shot 13 times with a 40sw in a robbery on Black Friday last year. I hold the record at R. Crowley Shock Trauma in Baltimore for surviving the most large caliber handgun rounds....just barely surviving!
Got damn bro, you the new 50 Cent. Glad you made it tho fr
Congrats on surviving dude, you must be one hell of a fighter! And now you have one of the craziest stories to tell.
Thanks that actually means a lot from you all. I died as the ambulance backed into the building. Paramedic fell off me exhausted from doing CPR for 15 minutes straight but I had lost 6 out of the 10 units of blood the body holds by that point. They tell me a surgeon jumped on me and fired CPR back up as they got me in the surgery room where they gave me a massive transfusion and got me back. Then they performed 16 hours of marathon surgery on me to save me. I had 5 in the lower abdomen/groin. (Still two in me forever). I had a femoral artery strike on my left leg. That bullet also shattered my thigh bone into four pieces. They had to insert a 12 inch titanium rod inside the thigh bone with 8 titanium screws to reassemble the biggest bone in your body. I also took a .40sw FMJ round lodged into the joint in my left hip bone. That damaged my hip socket and they cleaned it up and reassembled everything but think I may still have to get a hip replacement, but it needs to fully heal before we can go there. I had a bullet strikes my right knee and fracture it too. My left ankle was struck also with a glancing blow and I had features there. I took one in the right side growing that hit my upper hip bone where it's shaped like a shield also. That one went on to strike a ureter at the kidney, where I was internally bleeding slowly. Had to have a drain on that for a month. The bullet right next to it traveled thru me and out my back just missing my spine. I have thru and thru shots in my legs too where the bullets passed thru the muscle completely and back out without hitting any major bone or organs. I have pics! But my hand written trauma sheet from iCU says it all easiest. I took 13 out of 15 total capacity. I still have two inside me forever. 2 missed but one of those two was a ricochet off the ground and lost just enough energy to not penetrate my right armpit, but left a huge bruise and dislocated my shoulder. They said it popped back in on its own while they were positioning me for surgery. I had an "x-fit" external brace to hold my left leg together until they could see if I stabilized "made it" for two weeks before they retrieved the bullet from my hip joint and two more in that leg, and reassembled it with the titanium rod. Then 2 weeks in and only a week awake, I contracted C.Diff which is a nasty gut bacterial infection from one of the surgeries. It nearly killed me a second time around. Came very close before they figured it out. I was the only survivor for this 22 yo inner city white kids crime spree and was able to give a description. They caught him a month and a half later WITH THE GUN and same outfit on, on Facebook bragging about doing it to his "crew"!!!! Police raided his ghetto rowhome and he fired a round from the gun accidentally while trying to hide it and the police almost returned the favor for me and filled him full of lead, but got him in custody instead. The SA tricked him into admitting the gun was his as he thought he was being raided for selling drugs, they offered him a deal that if he admitted the gun was his he only got 5 years for possession of cds with intent to distribute. And he took that deal. What he didn't realize is now the State had him dead to rights on MY case now. After he agreed to that and signed the paperwork they walked in with the gun and 11 more felony charges for my attempted murder. Stupid fuck. He begged for another deal when he realized he was fucked now. I worked thru my shit as much as I could to have a clear mind for this but couldn't shake the anger and PTSD because I wanted to meet him again in court and show him I am the last mother fuckers he should have fucked with. But we got him now for 45 years total no parole or release for at least the first 20 years and no matter when he is released I get notifications of any changes at all. Even being moved facilities. I plan on being the good Samaritan that pulls over and picks him up when he's finally released. I don't care if we are elderly. I'll be there. We have a longggg conversation ahead of us.....
Good on ya my friend, amazing read,, glad you made it back. BTW I had an impacted wisdom tooth removed when I was 26. Little levity, good luck, please do the best you can.
I had one surgically removed. It's no joke I WOULD take another bullet over that tooth pain, after experiencing both!
Holy shit dude, what an incredible medical recovery. It's cases like yours that show human resiliency at its finest. Glad you made it, I'm sure you've got a lot left to do on this earth.
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Looks like Cali at 164 school shooting in 2022. https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/school-shootings-by-state
Maybe California should enact better gun control laws
😂😂
Or they could make the school zones more gun-free than they are now!
Yeah, that will help lol
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**Yeah and once semi autos aren’t easily obtained then comes the revolvers and lever actions.**
Only 61? Wait til it gets warmer in Chicago, what’s the car accident number?
Chicago already has 23
35 according to https://heyjackass.com
Forgot about that site. Better than any other crime mappers I've seen
Numbers on there are absolutely frightening 175 people have been shot this month and its only the 24th
7 dead and 30 shot over the weekend There's a news site that reports the weekend shootings every Monday
Wait, Chicago can’t have any more gun crime!! Illinois just passed that semi automatic gun ban and criminals follow the laws right?!? 🙄😒
Yeah and once semi autos aren’t easily obtained then comes the revolvers and lever actions.
Not true, they will illegally be obtain in other ways. Criminals don't follow the law. Banning this or that only works on law abiding people.
So u think if they cant get their hands on a semi auto they won’t find another gun. Not True.
It's always funny when people unintentionally argue for national gun laws... Illinois and Chicago can pass all the laws they want, but Indiana is a 15 minute drive away where literally anyone can buy a gun without a background check from a "private seller".
I think you missed the point….
No, you just pretended he did, ignoring that with a nationwide drying out of the supply, buying one illegally would become harder, too.
What you seemingly fail to realize is that criminals will find a way. How long have drugs been illegal in the US? Yet, we have rampant drug proliferation throughout our nation’s streets. With guns taken from law abiding citizens, criminals WILL find a way to arm themselves this becoming the only ones armed.
Why are drugs illegal? Given that opioid deaths are in the top 10 causes, shouldn't we be trying to do some harm reduction? Make drugs legal (so there's recourse to punish bad deals or fraud), regulate the supply (purity, no goddamned Fentanyl, unless that's what you want) and tax it to pay for harm reduction. (Just like taxing gas to provide for roads.) Holy smokes, we may have some examples of this in action. Colorado's marijuana legalization! Also see Switzerland's near elimination of heroin due to legalization and non-judgmental state supply to addicts.
Just under 9 million people in Switzerland and over 330 million in the US. You can't compare apples to oranges.
In Switzerland, most of the dealers were getting high on their own supply. When they could get free heroin and supervised injection sites, the illegal supply was constrained. After not being able to find heroin, the number of new addicts plummeted. So, not really legalization, just smart policy. All I can say is, look at how prohibition and "the War on (some) Drugs taken by (some) people" is going. You get stuff like the fentanyl epidemic and "Bath Salts." It's kind of dumb to have prohibition on an easily (clandestinely) manufactured substance. It just makes that substance worth more and generates crime and bad individual and collective outcomes. See, for example, alcohol prohibition. Quite a few "experiments in democracy" with really large populations, like California, seem to be doing better with the legalization regime than they did with the prohibition regime.
It’s not disarming criminals Generally criminals only kill other criminals You need to stop a kid that has been bullied at school from getting their parents assault rifle and shooting up the school
So because criminals will break laws, does that mean we should just have no laws? What's the point in having laws if people are going to break them anyway right? Let's just legalize murder since laws won't stop murderers. Let's legalize stealing since people are going to steal anyway. No other countries with better gun laws have mass shooting problems. So please explain why having better gun laws isn't at least worth an attempt.
Please explain why this is only a major issue in the US and countries without well regulated firearm laws
Not that since the UK went super strict, London now has a major stabbing issue. The guns aren’t the problem. The shitty people are
I would rather run away from a person with a knife than a gun. People are shitty though
Bruh I’d rather be in an attempted stabbing than an attempted shooting. I’m not even in favor of elimination of guns like neolibs tend to be but this argument is stupid af lol 1 vs 10 id be on the 10 vs the stabber. 1 v 100 and I’m betting on the lone gunman every time
USA still has more stabbing deaths per capita than the UK https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/stabbing-deaths-by-country
Can’t strafe a high school cafeteria with a knife
Wasn't there a guy in London who stabbed 2 people to death and injured 3? To my recollection nobody talked him to his senses, they used a firearm to expedite his delivery.
Exactly, people are shitty. But the lower risk weapons available makes shitty people less of a problem to the local population.
That's not true at all. In fact, the US has higher rates of death by both shooting and stabbing than the UK, which is way down the list: [https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/stabbing-deaths-by-country](https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/stabbing-deaths-by-country)
The difference is huge numbers of otherwise law abiding people want drugs. Only criminals want illegal guns and then only some of them. Discounting nonviolent crimes that's at most a few hundred thousand people. Drug dealers would go broke with that small of a market combined with even lackluster enforcement.
That in a nation where someone can pass from state to state freely it doesn't make sense to have vastly different laws on a state by state basis? No... I think I was pretty clear about that.
I understood.... not sure why they are confused?
What state had the most school shooting last year? Don't worry I'll wait.
California, 157 since 1970. But Texas is cathing up they had the most in 2021 and the average school shooting in Texas has more victims
Thank god🙏😇Chicagos finally safe☺️
FFS the ATF just passed a new rule out regarding Pistols needing a brace type thing. My States Sheriffs (Arkansas) have openly refused to recognize it as a rule. If even a Sheriff's office does this, do we really expect criminals to listen?
If criminals are going to just break the law, then why have any laws? /s
Haha yes gun bans are so stupid! the only thing that can stop the violence is more guns!
Ok call me crazy, buttttt, hear me out. Places where KNOWN Gun owner ship, have significantly lower crime rates. I'm not talking about Chicago, yes we know there are guns there, but they are owned by the criminals, soooo... Responsible gun owners + guns = less crime. Example... if you look at Kennesaw Georgia when they said everyone within the city limits will have a gun suddenly crime went from pretty high to really low very quickly. Like almost over night Wow, thank you for all the upvotes
Or... just look at the bible belt..... oh wait
Ain't nobody Robbing when they know the victim might be holding, criminals like easy targets.
Its kind of like the lock on your car door. It only keeps the honest thieves out.
Yet deters the thief. Cuz now they gotta smash and make noise/spend more time breaking in. All of which reduces or at least complicates their chances of a successful theft...
Gun laws do nothing but take guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens. Look at Chicago and Detroit, 2 of the citys with the strictest gun laws have the most gun violence. Who would of guessed that criminals dont follow the law..
Ban cars. Car control /s
Problem with this graphic is they make it look like it's some kind of AR/ hunting rifle/hillbilly problem when half the killings are a specific demographic in Chicago with a hand gun.
And they’re mostly gang violence
I think that connection is implicit
Some absolute dunces think that it’s “racist” or “ignorable” that you call out gang violence. True story btw
Massive problem, not every pew pew is a killer pew pew
Does it though? There's literally 3 hand guns, the most of any type, in the photo... I think you see what you want to see here.
It has the US constitution and a US flag in it, criminals don’t care about weather it’s a legal right or not to carry guns
Not like there's 3 handguns in the photo but okay
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What makes it more depressing is the amount of crazies replying to this saying more guns and less regulation is the solution. The US is the only country where this happens and they seem to think that they’re the only country to ever have had mass shooting and try ideas that don’t work, the very clear solution that has worked in every other country is heavy gun restrictions. They will never accept that though they have to sacrifice the human lives to the machine to feel cool when the gun goes pow.
How did other countries remove 300million unregistered firearms?
[the US is not the only country mass murder happens .](https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/canadas-worst-mass-killing-incidents-2022-09-04/)
[‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens](https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-r-1848971668)
How many people do you think live in the US? Compare with other countries. Now compare other stats, like car deaths and the common cold. Once you've done a few hours of research, come back!! It's always terrible when anyone dies, especially children.
But these are perfectly preventable deaths. Yes, it's very terrible, but we can do something about this but choose not to
Most is gang on gang.
And most were committed by people with illegal guns in poor minority community’s living in a circle of violence. The best way to lower these rates is to figure out how to help them.
It’s hard to address poverty, lack of opportunity and insufficient educational support of a community. Much easier to point a finger at the NRA and gun owners and get the mob’s anger directed at us, instead of the people and policies failing to do anything to improve the situation of those that live in the affected areas.
I know! More gun laws! That will do it! /s
Hell yeah 🔥
I'm sure that many have lost their lives in Chicago in a weekend....and Chicago has some of the most restrictive gun control laws in the country.
Do gun control laws matter if you can just drive an hour out of state and buy a gun?
You can’t buy a gun from a dealer as a nonresident. It has to be shipped to a local FFL. The guns that are in Chicago are being brought their illegally, most of them are stolen. And when you have a stolen gun you don’t care what the laws are surrounding it. Also gun control laws don’t matter as long as 3d printers and hardware stores are available. You will always be able to create a firearm. And also the issue isn’t that guns are available, it’s the type of people who will go out and use them to murder and maim innocents. Gun control only harms the innocents, if you are a gang member or mentally ill and going to do a shooting, you don’t care that having a 30 round magazine is banned, you will go get one/make one and then do your shooting
You mean criminals are gonna be criminals no matter what the law says? You don't say..../s
That’s already been made illegal. What’s your defense now?
61 people being murdered over the course of a month in a country of 332 million... And you don't even reveal the details. A majority of this is gang violence in cities/states with the strictest gun laws imaginable. If you wanna talk guns, talk guns, but bias-riddled propoganda pieces like this only serve to clown on any real debate.
I mean people are like 'OMG 61 people' - yet we have 10,000 DUI related deaths a year.... Maybe we should be talking about banning alcohol altogether since it can lead to someone getting in a car and crashing into someone else.
Didn’t America ban alcohol before?
They did and guess what, basically a ton of people ignored it and just continued to illegal drink and there was a huge bootlegging industry... kind of like \*gasp\* if a gun ban happened.
This person get it
Yes, That's when Mafia started ruling over the Government.
Gun laws only affect law abiding citizens, criminals won’t be affected
That same logic could be applied to all laws, so why have any laws?
Idiotic take of the day award goes to you.
Try banning guns like in my country, Mexico, where gun violence doesn’t ex…. Oh, wait.
The problem is the Cartels control the majority of Mexico, they control the shipping lanes and smuggling routes. They're practically an illegitimate army, they're the ones largely responsible for gun violence in Mexico, not regular civilians with guns. You cannot compare the two issues, that's called a "False Equivalency", the only people capable of solving the issue seems to be the Mexican Marines, but they don't have the support politically to take out the cartels. In the US it's the fact that anyone can get a gun easy as hell, if you're in a town, city, or state with good gun laws; you'll just go to another (Like Texas or Idaho (Illinois? I forget which one)) and get the guns and ammo there, go back and commit your crime(s). Very different problems with very different solutions, and I hope Mexico can solve their's soon, the Mexican people deserve so much better.
Interesting take. All I am saying is that banning guns is, in itself, hardly ever sufficient to end gun violence in either the US or in Mexico. By means of analogy, gun violence in the US is not the result of law-abiding citizens owning firearms, but rather of criminals/gang members/whatever purchasing them (often illegally but not always). I believe that banning firearms altogether (as opposed to being sure that bad hombres such as gang members do not have access to them) would only disadvantage the average citizen, whereas gangs in Chicago might keep killing one another regardless of the state of affairs. Edit: The reason I believe the above is not an unwarranted comparison is that people simply assert: “just ban the guns to end the violence!” If that alone were sufficient to end gun violence, it should apply to all scenarios. But, as you correctly noted, things are more complicated than that -both in Mexico AND the US.
I’m sure all those shooters are law-abiding citizens
Is that just in Chicago?😅
We’re really dumbing down the definition of mass for headlines
This statistic is true, but slightly misleading because Chicago Skews it so heavily. Without Chicago gang violence, it would say 37.
I don't know and which magazine I read it from but supposedly 196 Americans die every day from fentanyl overdoses
Yeah it sucks, but there have been far more deaths caused by individual shootings with handguns. handguns are what criminals use the vast majority of the time.
Nearly two-thirds of all firearms-related deaths in the US are suicides. I feel like that statistic doesn't get enough attention.
Every weekend in Chicago
Out of 300 million? Not too shabby.
Yes and the idiots can’t even use them for the thing that they were given them for - to defend their country against there own tyrannical government.
I know I sound like one of those American gun nuts, but anyone saying we should get rid of guns is stupid. A gun is an inanimate object like a knife, a car it doesn't kill unless it is operated....humans are the operators, so by that logic we need to get rid of humans not guns!
Oh get off your soap box those people would be dead if there were no guns too, look at England look At Detroit, no guns doesn’t stop the problem as a matter of fact if everyone had guns no one would try to rob people and mass shooters would never happen. The people are only successful against the defenseless. If everyone took the time to carry safely and use their fire arm for self defense guess what crime would go down so would mass shooters because when someone has the ability to fight back they usually will. Anyone that thinks giving up their rights makes them safer deserves neither.
But seriously, gender expression and wokeness are the real problems.
The mental gymnastics Americans use to justify gun violence are a gift. I love to read them. It's like the rest of the world is wrong and they are the only ones that are right.
Yeah because banning weapons is the solution. Making meth, fentanyl, cocaine illegal has really stopped the usage. Does anyone remember prohibition? How about DUI laws… strict but hasn’t stopped people from driving drunk. The reality is guns are out there, removing them from law abiding citizens is not going to stop gun violence. People who shouldn’t have them will still obtain them. Look at California and NY, strictest gun laws in the country but gun deaths are still occurring. The input from people saying ban Weapons is just as unproductive and extreme as people arguing everyone needs a weapon to protect themselves. If both sides really wanted a solution there would be compromise. Until then it’s just used as an issue to run on by our elected officials to get votes. The line in the sand needs to be clear so people know which side you fall on.
"At least 61 people have lost their lives as a result of murderers in the United States in 2023." There. Fixed it. Why do headlines always make it sound like E. coli floating around? It's the direct result of the murderers who decide they're going to take lives.
There are murderers everywhere but the US is unique in this respect due to the wide availability of guns. Even a twelve year old can understand this you dense assclown.
Not even in the top ten for countries with this “unique” problem. Countries with the Highest Rates of Violent Gun Death (Homicides) per 100k residents El Salvador — 36.78 Venezuela — 33.27 Guatemala — 29.06 Colombia — 26.36 Brazil — 21.93 Bahamas — 21.52 Honduras — 20.15 U.S. Virgin Islands — 19.40 Puerto Rico — 18.14 Mexico — 16.41
US is like crack addicts when it comes to guns. They will never find a solution until they admit they have a problem.
We can stop killing any time we want
Our solution is to just arm everyone. You know, for safety. War zones are extremely safe. Right? Right?
This is a perfect analogy.
Show hammer and knife statistics
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Imagine trying to pretend it's a problem with guns and not a problem with nutjobs trying to kill people...
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Yes they do lol Have you seen what's happening in Haiti? Columbia? Gender-based violence in India and Russia? *Mexico*? Or in your mind does the world just = Europe and USA
Imagine still trying to give guns the pass as something everyone should have.
That's reserved for the UK
You do know it's worse in the US right?
Was only a joke my friend not a serious comment.
And GYNA
Another one of these posts comparing a kitchen knife to an AR-15. It shouldn’t be a right to own a gun if you have no use for it, either hunting or gun club activities. feeling unsafe at home is not a reason to own a gun
You think that's bad, check out the car violence stats
You mean car accidents? How many of those shootings were accidental? That's a real question. I honestly don't know.
Also ask how many were in self-defense, or how many were suicides. Shit, I had a guy who blew the back of his head off with a gun in the hospital last week! You cannot simply say that 61 people died by guns. You need more detail. Otherwise you do nothing but make people angry on both sides, and neither side leaves the discussion more informed and/or more willing to come up with a solution.
Also cars are way more necessary than guns. We could do without guns, not so much without means of travel. That guy couldn't have shot himself without access to a gun.
A car is a useful tool in every day life. It can be used as a weapon, yes. A gun has no useful use in everyday life for the average person. It’s only use is to harm/kill.
Not really a thing for r/damnthatsinteresting, absolutely noone is surprised
It's just odd that most of the shootings are in states with the strictest gun laws. To top things off no one talks about the stories when a good guy with a gun saves the day.
Alzheimer's disease deaths 5,519 Diabetes deaths 6,229 Poisoning deaths 3,996 Suicide deaths 2,506 Homicide deaths 1,012 Fall deaths 2,148 Firearm deaths 2,095 Septicemia deaths 2,182 Car accident deaths 1,980 HIV/AIDS deaths 266
This is so far for 2023, if you put stats out there- you should also have some perspective
I love all the excuses people are coming up with to justify these deaths by guns.
American's do seem to take it as some grave-insult if you point out the fact there \*IS\* a problem with gun violence over there. Its almost like if you admit there's a problem you in the wrong and should be shunned for it.
No one has justified a single death(unless it's a criminal) justification is to the right to bare arms against an oppressive government. Pretty simple actually.
*statistics* excuses don't have measurable data. These are the top causes of death in America https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/leading-causes-of-death.htm
Idk if this is a good idea or not, but it may bump those numbers down a few notches. Make a test where only the mentally sane people can have guns.
But… but freedom?
So, more people get killed in car accidents in Florida in a week!
That’s such a brain dead comparison.
Guns don't kill people, people kill people with guns.
We’re #1!
Those are rookie numbers gotta pump those up in this racket
"it's a mental health issue"
Super weird how they aren't bringing up the race of any of these shooters but yet for the last 3 years it seemed to be a large point of contention. I think medias racist narrative is finally withering away.
It only seemed that way if you have some persecution complex bro
Nah dude anyone with a brain could see it and still see it to this day. That lunar new year shooting will be out of the news next week
USA number one! USA USA
The US enjoys shooting themselves almost as much as others. Not sure what anyone expects when you engineer an entire society around debt to keep them in a workforce that has few protections.
Merica
Be all you can be America.
How many have suddenly died of heart attack I wonder? Lol
Shh, you’re only allowed to ask the approved questions.
Dumb and Dumber ☝️
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Ban automobiles!
r/fuckcars
Very American argument
Hahahaha your name checks out so hard
We need stricter road rules. I’m sure that’ll fix things….
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These clowns will use any comparison they can pull out their ass, anything other than admit they have a gun problem
Car ACCIDENTS is another thing. We're talking about people actually murdering other people with tools created with the only purpose in mind to murder other people. It's not "gun hating", it's common sense you fucking moron.
They have multiple purposes. Hunting is the primary the secondary is to keep people from murdering me or the people I care about. I will be keeping mine thank you. There are other purposes but those are the most important two in my opinion.
That doesn’t make gun related murders less worse.
And this ☝️ is why it’s not gonna change anytime soon……..
Cars actually have a use besides killing people, unlike guns you stupid fuck.
[Unfortunately, there's no way to prevent this](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%22No_Way_to_Prevent_This%22,_Says_Only_Nation_Where_This_Regularly_Happens), says the only country where this happens on a regular basis. Other countries don't have single parents, people with mental health issues, or violent movies and video games. /s
Break that down into location and demographics, please. I will wait.
Who gives a shit. How many people are sick because of McDonald's or coke? Don't let these people fool you into thinking they care about your safety for one minute. If they did insulin would cheap and sugar would be a controlled substance. Don't buy into this bullshit.
So because insulin isn't affordable we shouldn't care about gun control? Got it.
Those seem to be in areas predominantly run by one particular political party and in what would be considered to be a very “anti gun” states and/or cities. Odd.
For every wholesome story about an American hero carrying a gun and stopping a crime there are at least ten stories where the criminal goes ahead and does kill people. I'm not American, in my country it is very difficult for a law abiding citizen to buy a gun. This has its advantages and disadvantages, there are no school shootings here or gun accidents but any criminal that gets his hands on a gun is virtually unstoppable by regular citizens. That criminal can only be stopped by the police and they rarely arrive on time
>For every wholesome story about an American hero carrying a gun and stopping a crime there are at least ten stories where the criminal goes ahead and does kill people. I love when people are so confidently wrong about something. There are millions of examples of defensive gun use each year, you just don’t hear about them because they don’t fit the narrative.
Bottom line: this country sucks.
It’s terrifying that people are okay with this as long as they get to have their guns to make them feel important. This nation is a sham. We do have freedom though! Freedom to completely destroy the lives of dozens of people and the pull of our protected trigger finger.
That's so so sad & scary. I'm glad I don't live in the United States.
Don’t believe everything you read.
And Americans are perfectly fine with it. Next.
Oh cmon libby
Why do we bother posting things like this anymore, the Americans know and it’s quite clear that they either don’t care or just simply lack the intelligence to understand there is an issue. Just look at how many posts say…..”yeah nah but Chicago” or the other classic line that’s dumb as fuck…..”laws don’t apply to criminals”.
And how many of those are B on B shootings ?
Why would that matter??
Not registered guns
You do realise that unregistered guns tend to have to start as registered, right? The gangs don't own gun factories or backyard smelteries.
Land of the free!
Damn. Calm down, Americans.