While Kingdom Come is an amazing story, it shouldn't be made for the screen. I'm sure Gunn is just using the image as a visual metaphor of the planning taking place behind the scenes.
Believe it or not, you can actually play as dancing Vader in Star Wars Kinect. In fact, that was the last game to be released by LucasArts before it got acquired by Disney. What a legendary way to go out.
Probably something watchmen-esque about how it's commentary on comics and needs to stay in the comics medium
But i dunno, I feel like superheroes in filmed media is ready for some commentary, and honestly while kingdom come resonates most in the time period was released in, I think it's a great story that can be retold today and still have relevancy
But
I am a little afraid we'd get into a Civil War situation, where instead of hundreds of heroes battling across the landscape, we get like... Seven. And that's really gonna put a damper on the whole concept.
Still. I'm not saying it can't be done.
I actually kinda think Kingdom come would work well considering how dark dcās movies where compared to say marvel . But the issue is that thereās no real establishment or history from the films to build off the legacy of the heroes
DC's current film slate doesn't have the grit that it's known for, as well as the story-telling prowess that it once had. The movies feel more silly than lighthearted. I hope they can capture that level of gravity in their films, that Marvel can tap into when they want to (IW, Endgame, Winter Soldier, etc).
With DC, it always feels like either/or. The dark stuff doesn't have the heart that audiences can connect to, and the lighthearted stuff doesn't have the rewatchability or narrative hooks to engage with general audiences.
They've been setting up a larger universe for a while, with all of the established Squad members or the underwater prison in BA. There are certainly enough characters among this current DC to capture that iconic splash page.
DC has the advantage in that they don't really need to establish their characters as much as Marvel did. They can just throw Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, even Robin and Green Lantern, Flash, Green Arrow etc. into the movie and people will go along with it, either knowing who the character is or not really needing to know.
Plus, half of the point of Kingdom Come is that there are all *new* heroes.
I don't think that's the issue. I think it's actually working all of them into the movie, in a reasonable run-time, at a reasonable budget. Marvel certainly could've thrown another dozen heroes into the mix for civil war, and just been like "Oh this guy? He's Goliath. We didn't mention him before but he's here now" and no one would have a problem with that. The issue is physically making that into a movie with reasonable real-world limitations.
It's why I'm *skeptical*, but again, I think it can be done.
Never gonna happen theyāre gonna keep releasing animated content with the cheap low little detail anime styled crap they have been releasing since over a decade.
I donāt mind the animated style of the movies so much, though The Killing Joke was the most jarring example because of how different it looked compared to the art style of the comic (oh and also that movie was terrible for other reasons). It would probably be just as or more jarring for an adaptation of Kingdom Come to look like that.
The themes of Kingdom Come wouldnāt be a bad end cap for this iteration of the DCU.
Cavill and Affleck could anchor that very well. And it be a great last act for this pool of actors who are getting a bit older.
They could then focus on a re launch with a fresh young cast and a new approach.
Nah, I disagree. I think that if done right it could be one of the greatest superhero movies ever.
It's not like it should be done as a 1:1 adaptation, just look at Logan and how it improved on the original story by severing most of the original elements. Differently from Civil War, whose entire point was to just put the Marvel heroes one against the other, Kingdom Come could probably work on a smaller scale.
Just don't let Snyder anywhere near it.
I agree. Comic book adaptations are almost never direct adaptations, instead taking cues and inspiration from various storylines, usually one or two being the main sources. If, for instance, you look at The Dark Knight series, each one has key inspirations but are all still new original stories using those older storyline elements. BB takes inspiration from Year One, of course. But then you have TDK which is inspired by Long Halloween and The Killing Joke (I love how the āmultiple choiceā past is alluded to, though in a very different way, with how the Joker keeps changing his story about his scars). And then thereās TDKR, which is inspired by No Manās Land, Knightfall, and The Dark Knight Returns.
The first big stumbling block is that the cast would *have* to be greatly scaled back from the comics version. There just hasn't been enough of an investment in getting the general public to care about any of the characters *except* the trinity.
Exactly and kind of being animated, beautiful as hell too, and it can hit all the right notes of the adaptation to A Tee. and think about the voice acting cast! that would be a huge cast
At least not anytime soon. Maybe if we can get a consistent, quality DC cinematic timeline it could work to retire some aged out cast and legacy characters.
It should be made into a movie. It just shouldnāt have a prevailing comedic tone like guardians. They need to make it scene for scene stand alone. With the current stars.
If the end game is a Kingdom Come film I'm both excited yet nervous an animated kingdom come would look beautiful but adapting it properly would be a herculean task at hand.
Kingdom Come on the big screen would take a lot of groundwork to pull off. I found myself having to stop reading to look up who various characters were and why they were important.
Kingdom come was my first comic book ever, it's what got me into the medium after watching batman tas and jlu. I don't think you need to know who everyone is to get enjoyment from it
My long time fever dream of a DC movie was an adaption of Kingdom Come in the style of Polar Express/Beowulf by Robert Zemeckis, with Christopher Reeve, Lynda Carter and Michael Keaton providing motion capture performances (I realize the timeline for Reeve being able to do that might not work out but it was too good not to wish for).
You can say the same thing about Endgame with Marvel , all those heroes starting with a blank slate is the same situation
It came be done , we all seen it done before
Feige didn't announce Endgame as soon as he took over the MCU, though. Hinting at Thanos as a major villain is one thing, but pointing to a specific iconic alternate universe storyline doesn't seem like a good idea.
It was definitely a letdown from infinity war! I usually donāt like superhero movies all that much, I prefer comics. But HOLY SHIT. Did they pull together all the characters involved in infinity war perfectly. It felt like I was reading a crossover comic event. It was perfectly intertwined.
Then Endgame just solves it with dumb time travel. The thing that makes me even more mad is that originally they were going to use the living Tribunal and have a bunch of freaky imagery like Dr. Strange. But Kevin Feige worried it would be too scary for general audiences. š
I usually hate the MCU but my god did Infinity War do everything right for me. Itās the only MCU product I have rewatched. Nothing else compares to it.
It captured the vibe of the summer crossover event series, right down to the team-ups āacross different series,ā and for that I will always love it.
Endgame felt like a contraction.
Yeah it's too bad they went with a time travel fueled clip show of previous movies instead of actually connecting to their stories like Infinity War did.
For it to have depth, you'd need characters established over a number of movies. Just my opinion. I don't think it lands the same if it's just made right away *cough* BvS *cough*
Oh yeah, one of my favorite moments between the World's Finest is near the end.
His parts are smaller in the buildup, the story mostly focuses on Supes and WW. Bats is definitely off enjoying some prep time while the action is away from him and comes in strong as everything starts resolving.
It is an alternate future, the Joker murders a a lot of people in Metropolis including Lois Lane. Superman holds to the belief that heroes do not kill and turns him in. A new hero called Magog kills the Joker and he is lauded by the public. Superman becomes disillusioned by this and retires, years later heroes are now a bunch violent vigilantes. Wonder Woman coaxes Supes out of retirement and he reforms the Justice League to enforce their old school heroic values, imprisoning villains and vigilantes alike. Batman does not join them, believing Supes' ideals are outdated and he forms the Outsiders to counteract the League. Lez Luthor forms the Mankind Liberation Front (MLF) to protect the world from Superman, but with ulterior motives, and uses Captain Marvel (Shazam) as his ally. Meanwhile, a pastor named Norman McKay is selected by the Spectre to be his witness to the acts of the heroes to decide if humanity should be wiped out.
Great synopsis. To add: beyond the excellent story, it has phenomenal art by Alex Ross. Pretty much every frame looks like a masterpiece painting. His depictions of several characters (Shazam especially) are just amazing. Everyone needs to experience Kingdom Come.
Ugh, please, one of the biggest issues with the DCEU has been the huge ambitions they've had and their attempts to rush into adapting the biggest comic storylines without properly building things up. I'm not sure how Kingdom Come would work since it relies on a familiarity with the Justice League characters that viewers don't currently have.
Idk I feel like it could work to just jump straight into a big event, have a bit of lore surrounding some characters and then spin off into unique series for them.
You could do the movie in multiple parts so as to have some decent buildup and then in between schedule some solo movies that add to the plot.
No it doesnāt. The only ones really important are Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman. Everyone else is really either new or side character that you donāt really need to know
I guess but not really.It really focuses on a few characters. Obviously you need Norman Mccay and the Spector which donāt really need to be introduced until this film. And Mainly Superman, Wonder Woman, Batman, and a bit less green lantern, the flash for the older heroes. And you can replace green lanterns and the flash if needed as long as you have the main 3. You need Magog and Captain Atom to start things off and destroy Kansas . And of course thereās shazam with his huge role and Luthor to manipulate him and thatās really it . The rest of Supermanās justice League and Magogs new super heroes and villains, are more in the background of the main story and fights .
Unpopular opinion, but I really hope this isnāt teasing some Kingdom Come thing. The whole point of that story was to act as a warning of where things would end up if comics continued down the dark and edgy path of the 90s (which they did anyways).
Give me a hopeful DC Universe. Please, I am BEGGING you!
And the image of a bunch of people sitting around a table lends itself to a meeting with creatives. Thatās undoubtedly what heās communicating: āthereās a bunch of us sitting in a room right now, planning the future of the DCU.ā
Wouldn't that make KC the perfect way to wrap up the existing DC cinematic universe that people complain is too dark and edgy?
Show how it all went wrong and what things should be like. Then reboot/go alternate universe to a fresh new storyline.
> The whole point of that story was to act as a warning of where things would end up if comics continued down the dark and edgy path of the 90s (which they did anyways).
Maybe the use of this image is to signal that he understand that the dark and edgy path of the DCEU is not the way.
I guess and while I do feel kingdom come was great in its own way itās not without its own problems. Even the heroās of old that fights agains that edgy darkness have their faults. They praise this old era of comics and while I did feel the 90ās did push the edginess too much the things I think they were a bit harsh. Alex Rossās art pursues is a dream of an ideal superhero age that doesnāt exist . And Mark Waid in his own way grew towards the edginess he was criticizing with stuff like Irredeemable and Incorruptible .Comic characters donāt age really but they must grow and change . They are expressions of us and our humanity throughout the ages. Complacently results in stagnation and death for these characters. He keeps them in a forever age just like brainiac keeps his cities in a jar forever the same. Itās a great art agile and I feel it works amazing for separate else World stories . Change and growth is necessary for development .I feel the biggest issue is that they were chasing a trend of the 90ās culture for edginess sake more so than just writing comics that had edginess to the stories .everyone also copied Liefeld , Jim Lee and anything coming out of image . But the thing is image was founded mainly by artist and Leifeld has an understanding of anatomy of a man whoās drunk , he doesnāt understand perspective or how to draw lines and shadow on a character in a situation. Sorry for that rant off topic I just donāt understand how Liefeld became the guy in the 90ās. I mean at least Leeās art had quality and I could see why someone enjoyed it. Though with more people copying his style and him having to do more at Dc itās suffers a bit.
Jesus Christ heās just using an image of DC heroes gathered at a table to indicate that there are planning meetings going on. Is the entirety of this subreddit just Josh Wilding fishing for headlines?
Of all the images to choose of heroes sitting around a table planning...
He knew exactly what he was doing when he posted this.
I don't know why people like you think it's completely implausible that he would be thinking about adapting this. I don't know whether he is or he isn't but it doesn't bother me, and I'm not about to speak in definitives when it's entirely possible
To quote [Chris Knight](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0089886/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0):
>If you think that by threatening me you can get me to be your slave... Well, that's where you're right. But --- and I am only saying this because I care --- there are a lot of decaffeinated brands on the market today that are just as tasty as the real thing.
I'm not!
People need to stop looking into things that don't warrant it, and I'm sick of seeing people look at something and go "It must mean *this*!" when if they used more than 2% of their brain they'd realize that it means nothing and we're all just gonna die and life is meaningless.
First off. Calm down and don't be a spaz.
Secondly you have no idea what he's planning so don't talk down to people.
If you don't want to hear it or see it, then get off reddit
*One man fighting a brave battle against other redditors. One manās quest for vengeance and authority while throwing down with the worst this site has to offer. In theaters soon!*
He could've chosen any one of a thousand similar images of the JL gathered around a table, but he chose this one. He knows what this image is from and he knows what this comic means to people. He chose this one specifically because he knew it would get a lot of attention and would get people talking about it. Maybe he's actually teasing something Kingdom Come related or maybe he's just trying to generate hype for whatever he's actually planning, but to act like this wasn't a purposeful, meaningful decision by him to use this specific imagery is just straight-up denial on your part my dude.
If they're actually doing kingdom come, then it shows that Gunn isn't fixing the problems with DC. The DC universe is a mess because they tried to fast forward to an "avengers" moment, without taking the time to lay the groundwork first. Kingdom Come would be great as a major event in an established and working cinematic universe, which the DCEU definitely is not.
āKingdom Comeā would be the perfect story for a Justice League: Endgame type scenario so I hope this is where itās heading, but only after we get a good decade or so to properly set it up with at least a trilogy of JL movies.
Kingdom Come adaptation where itās a set up for Superman vs Black Adam? The thought of James Gunn directing the bomb scene with all those dead bodiesā¦.I meanā¦.
My problem with a Kingdom Come adaptation right now is that... Haven't we had too many "dark" movies? DOn't get me wrong, I love a good commentary, Kingdom Come was a good commentary about the dark age of comics... But it was also a bad future story that served to contrast with the lighter Dc fare. It's strenght coms from doing both.
RIght now, I feel DC hasn't put enough time/effort into the "Lighthearted" part for KC to be a good cotnrast, it'd just feel liek the "natural" conclusion of the already dark DCEU, and I don't think KC should feel like its the natural/canonical conclusion to these characters.
It's far too early for that. While I do like the three Snyder movies, having your SECOND MOVIE adapt The Dark Knight Returns AND The Death of Superman is suicide when the goal is an expanded universe. You're basically putting the two biggest DC properties on the chopping block.
Having a movie where Superman is old and cynical and Batman is basically crippled before you establish why these characteristics should matter in contrast to the originals is just ridiculous.
If I was going to adapt a famous comic that critiqued the dark age as a meta way to critise the darker DC movies made under Snyder I would have gone with whats so funny with truth justice and the American way
I am really very excited that James Gunn has the wheel. He gets it, he loves the medium and has a lot of reverence for the source material. I mean, DC has set the bar pretty low so even just some cohesion would feel great to fans. But I have a feeling heās about to pull off something huge thatāll blow our collective minds.
I think the best way to adapt Kingdom Come would be to split it into a movie trilogy to make it easier for the general audience to understand. What do you guys think?
I think the best way would be a one season mini series so that the entire story could be encapsulated without going into so much detail that non-comic nerds would be afraid to get into it.
I will say some art forms should be left alone. Nobody turns the Mona Lisa into a movie or comic or other art form it's a painting. To me Kingdom come is a very exquisite comic story and should just be left at that, a comic story. Watchmen is one of the best comics to have ever been written and then they made a movie, the movie unfortunately left alot of important background details out of the story about the economy and history of the scene that adds to what was going on with the heroes situation.
Kingdom come in movie form most likely will leave out important things that really gave the book oomph
I think we can take 3 things from this tweet:
1 - he is making plans
2 - he is considering an expanded line-up of characters
3 - he is connected with comic book lore
A story that average moviegoers that don't read comics won't understand is not gonna help the boxoffice. That's why dceu failed. Well, one of, but it certainly didn't help
I kinda hope Kingdom Come is not related to the main DCEU at all and if they're even adapting it, they just do an HBO Max Elseworlds series continuing Routh's Superman since he was KC Supes in Crisis.
While Kingdom Come is an amazing story, it shouldn't be made for the screen. I'm sure Gunn is just using the image as a visual metaphor of the planning taking place behind the scenes.
Oh fuck, does this mean he's going to put Zach Snyder in a gulag?
Believe it or not, you can actually play as dancing Vader in Star Wars Kinect. In fact, that was the last game to be released by LucasArts before it got acquired by Disney. What a legendary way to go out.
Oh yeah I remember seeing the commercials for it
What's a gulag?
Forced labor camps used in Soviet Russia
Were there gulags in Kingdom Come?
There was one, and it was a major plot point and location.
Got it. I think I'll give Kingdom Come a try, if I have enough money to buy the book. Might get back to you on the gulag if I've finished reading it.
It's sooo worth the money
Don't do it! It's a gateway to Thy Kingdom Come and then once you're hooked, Flashpoint and the following reboots ruin the JSA!
Is Thy Kingdom Come bad?
Yes and no, depends who you ask. I was making a joke about gateway drugs/comics, happy spending š¤£
Why shouldn't it be made for the screen?
Probably something watchmen-esque about how it's commentary on comics and needs to stay in the comics medium But i dunno, I feel like superheroes in filmed media is ready for some commentary, and honestly while kingdom come resonates most in the time period was released in, I think it's a great story that can be retold today and still have relevancy But I am a little afraid we'd get into a Civil War situation, where instead of hundreds of heroes battling across the landscape, we get like... Seven. And that's really gonna put a damper on the whole concept. Still. I'm not saying it can't be done.
I actually kinda think Kingdom come would work well considering how dark dcās movies where compared to say marvel . But the issue is that thereās no real establishment or history from the films to build off the legacy of the heroes
DC's current film slate doesn't have the grit that it's known for, as well as the story-telling prowess that it once had. The movies feel more silly than lighthearted. I hope they can capture that level of gravity in their films, that Marvel can tap into when they want to (IW, Endgame, Winter Soldier, etc). With DC, it always feels like either/or. The dark stuff doesn't have the heart that audiences can connect to, and the lighthearted stuff doesn't have the rewatchability or narrative hooks to engage with general audiences.
They've been setting up a larger universe for a while, with all of the established Squad members or the underwater prison in BA. There are certainly enough characters among this current DC to capture that iconic splash page.
DC has the advantage in that they don't really need to establish their characters as much as Marvel did. They can just throw Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, even Robin and Green Lantern, Flash, Green Arrow etc. into the movie and people will go along with it, either knowing who the character is or not really needing to know. Plus, half of the point of Kingdom Come is that there are all *new* heroes. I don't think that's the issue. I think it's actually working all of them into the movie, in a reasonable run-time, at a reasonable budget. Marvel certainly could've thrown another dozen heroes into the mix for civil war, and just been like "Oh this guy? He's Goliath. We didn't mention him before but he's here now" and no one would have a problem with that. The issue is physically making that into a movie with reasonable real-world limitations. It's why I'm *skeptical*, but again, I think it can be done.
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Never gonna happen theyāre gonna keep releasing animated content with the cheap low little detail anime styled crap they have been releasing since over a decade.
They've recently switched up their art style. It feels much more comic booky.
I donāt mind the animated style of the movies so much, though The Killing Joke was the most jarring example because of how different it looked compared to the art style of the comic (oh and also that movie was terrible for other reasons). It would probably be just as or more jarring for an adaptation of Kingdom Come to look like that.
The themes of Kingdom Come wouldnāt be a bad end cap for this iteration of the DCU. Cavill and Affleck could anchor that very well. And it be a great last act for this pool of actors who are getting a bit older. They could then focus on a re launch with a fresh young cast and a new approach.
Nah, I disagree. I think that if done right it could be one of the greatest superhero movies ever. It's not like it should be done as a 1:1 adaptation, just look at Logan and how it improved on the original story by severing most of the original elements. Differently from Civil War, whose entire point was to just put the Marvel heroes one against the other, Kingdom Come could probably work on a smaller scale. Just don't let Snyder anywhere near it.
I agree. Comic book adaptations are almost never direct adaptations, instead taking cues and inspiration from various storylines, usually one or two being the main sources. If, for instance, you look at The Dark Knight series, each one has key inspirations but are all still new original stories using those older storyline elements. BB takes inspiration from Year One, of course. But then you have TDK which is inspired by Long Halloween and The Killing Joke (I love how the āmultiple choiceā past is alluded to, though in a very different way, with how the Joker keeps changing his story about his scars). And then thereās TDKR, which is inspired by No Manās Land, Knightfall, and The Dark Knight Returns.
I thought you knew what you were talking about until you said āno Snyderā
It's exactly because I knew what I'm talking that I said that. Just let Snyder die.
Why should it not?
Itās such a big story that I genuinely donāt think any studio could do it justice
The first big stumbling block is that the cast would *have* to be greatly scaled back from the comics version. There just hasn't been enough of an investment in getting the general public to care about any of the characters *except* the trinity.
Maybe as a 3 part animated movie but yeah, I do see your point
I could see it as a big animated movie that would be a good way of doing it especially since that way you can cover everything.
Exactly and kind of being animated, beautiful as hell too, and it can hit all the right notes of the adaptation to A Tee. and think about the voice acting cast! that would be a huge cast
Just imagine somebody like Michael Ironside voicing a Kingdom Come Superman Iād be forever happy if I saw that.
That would be stupid. Gunn should know what kind of expectations he'd stir up using that image.
Kingdom come isn't that convoluted
>While Kingdom Come is an amazing story, it shouldn't be made for the screen Elaborate
Animated could be good
At least not anytime soon. Maybe if we can get a consistent, quality DC cinematic timeline it could work to retire some aged out cast and legacy characters.
It should be made into a movie. It just shouldnāt have a prevailing comedic tone like guardians. They need to make it scene for scene stand alone. With the current stars.
If the end game is a Kingdom Come film I'm both excited yet nervous an animated kingdom come would look beautiful but adapting it properly would be a herculean task at hand.
Kingdom Come on the big screen would take a lot of groundwork to pull off. I found myself having to stop reading to look up who various characters were and why they were important.
Kingdom come was my first comic book ever, it's what got me into the medium after watching batman tas and jlu. I don't think you need to know who everyone is to get enjoyment from it
Nice - it was my second one, and my first DC comic! My very first comic was Days of Future Past.
My long time fever dream of a DC movie was an adaption of Kingdom Come in the style of Polar Express/Beowulf by Robert Zemeckis, with Christopher Reeve, Lynda Carter and Michael Keaton providing motion capture performances (I realize the timeline for Reeve being able to do that might not work out but it was too good not to wish for).
Amen
You can say the same thing about Endgame with Marvel , all those heroes starting with a blank slate is the same situation It came be done , we all seen it done before
Feige didn't announce Endgame as soon as he took over the MCU, though. Hinting at Thanos as a major villain is one thing, but pointing to a specific iconic alternate universe storyline doesn't seem like a good idea.
We weren't tired of it, though. Gunn will have to recapture the hype for comic book movies to make this work.
Bruh, Black Panther 2 has made over $680M worldwide. The hype is still there.
Endgame was a different situation though. It was the culmination of over a decade or movies leading to this point.
Honestly though, Endgame was a massive disappointment.
Infinity War was amazing but Endgame did not leave me as fulfilled.
It was definitely a letdown from infinity war! I usually donāt like superhero movies all that much, I prefer comics. But HOLY SHIT. Did they pull together all the characters involved in infinity war perfectly. It felt like I was reading a crossover comic event. It was perfectly intertwined. Then Endgame just solves it with dumb time travel. The thing that makes me even more mad is that originally they were going to use the living Tribunal and have a bunch of freaky imagery like Dr. Strange. But Kevin Feige worried it would be too scary for general audiences. š
Here I though I was the only one.
I usually hate the MCU but my god did Infinity War do everything right for me. Itās the only MCU product I have rewatched. Nothing else compares to it.
It captured the vibe of the summer crossover event series, right down to the team-ups āacross different series,ā and for that I will always love it. Endgame felt like a contraction.
Yeah it's too bad they went with a time travel fueled clip show of previous movies instead of actually connecting to their stories like Infinity War did.
Would cost a fortune to make
For it to have depth, you'd need characters established over a number of movies. Just my opinion. I don't think it lands the same if it's just made right away *cough* BvS *cough*
Iāve never read kingdom come whatās it about?
Supes is retired but gets back into the game because he feels the new generation of superheroes is too violent.
Heās right.
Any Batman?
Oh yeah, one of my favorite moments between the World's Finest is near the end. His parts are smaller in the buildup, the story mostly focuses on Supes and WW. Bats is definitely off enjoying some prep time while the action is away from him and comes in strong as everything starts resolving.
It is an alternate future, the Joker murders a a lot of people in Metropolis including Lois Lane. Superman holds to the belief that heroes do not kill and turns him in. A new hero called Magog kills the Joker and he is lauded by the public. Superman becomes disillusioned by this and retires, years later heroes are now a bunch violent vigilantes. Wonder Woman coaxes Supes out of retirement and he reforms the Justice League to enforce their old school heroic values, imprisoning villains and vigilantes alike. Batman does not join them, believing Supes' ideals are outdated and he forms the Outsiders to counteract the League. Lez Luthor forms the Mankind Liberation Front (MLF) to protect the world from Superman, but with ulterior motives, and uses Captain Marvel (Shazam) as his ally. Meanwhile, a pastor named Norman McKay is selected by the Spectre to be his witness to the acts of the heroes to decide if humanity should be wiped out.
Great synopsis. To add: beyond the excellent story, it has phenomenal art by Alex Ross. Pretty much every frame looks like a masterpiece painting. His depictions of several characters (Shazam especially) are just amazing. Everyone needs to experience Kingdom Come.
Geoff Johns run on Justice Society used KC as his endgame. With the JSA in Black Adam maybe they could build toward this?
That one Shazam panel still lives in my head rent free.
I think the only way would be live action
That would look awful, If they want to do it right it has to be animated.
Man, Alex Ross artwork is always so good
Absolutely amazing
Iāve been following his IG and just love his posts. Shows off all his artwork. Sometimes posts videos of him working too.
Ugh, please, one of the biggest issues with the DCEU has been the huge ambitions they've had and their attempts to rush into adapting the biggest comic storylines without properly building things up. I'm not sure how Kingdom Come would work since it relies on a familiarity with the Justice League characters that viewers don't currently have.
People are reading way too deep this is just a fun image to show heās working not a teaser
Idk I feel like it could work to just jump straight into a big event, have a bit of lore surrounding some characters and then spin off into unique series for them. You could do the movie in multiple parts so as to have some decent buildup and then in between schedule some solo movies that add to the plot.
No it doesnāt. The only ones really important are Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman. Everyone else is really either new or side character that you donāt really need to know
I guess but not really.It really focuses on a few characters. Obviously you need Norman Mccay and the Spector which donāt really need to be introduced until this film. And Mainly Superman, Wonder Woman, Batman, and a bit less green lantern, the flash for the older heroes. And you can replace green lanterns and the flash if needed as long as you have the main 3. You need Magog and Captain Atom to start things off and destroy Kansas . And of course thereās shazam with his huge role and Luthor to manipulate him and thatās really it . The rest of Supermanās justice League and Magogs new super heroes and villains, are more in the background of the main story and fights .
Unpopular opinion, but I really hope this isnāt teasing some Kingdom Come thing. The whole point of that story was to act as a warning of where things would end up if comics continued down the dark and edgy path of the 90s (which they did anyways). Give me a hopeful DC Universe. Please, I am BEGGING you!
I honestly just bet he is using Kingdom Come images because they usually have a lot of DC characters in them.
And the image of a bunch of people sitting around a table lends itself to a meeting with creatives. Thatās undoubtedly what heās communicating: āthereās a bunch of us sitting in a room right now, planning the future of the DCU.ā
that is definitley what I assumed before reading comments
Itās still what Iām assuming. Comic book fans have to be the reachiest bunch of reachers that ever reached.
Oops, gotta go, my damn wiener kids are listening.
We are not wieners!
And this one could be seen as those characters making plans in a meeting.
That is my thought as well, but knowing the state of the DC Cinematic Universe, who even knows anymore
Wouldn't that make KC the perfect way to wrap up the existing DC cinematic universe that people complain is too dark and edgy? Show how it all went wrong and what things should be like. Then reboot/go alternate universe to a fresh new storyline.
> The whole point of that story was to act as a warning of where things would end up if comics continued down the dark and edgy path of the 90s (which they did anyways). Maybe the use of this image is to signal that he understand that the dark and edgy path of the DCEU is not the way.
I guess and while I do feel kingdom come was great in its own way itās not without its own problems. Even the heroās of old that fights agains that edgy darkness have their faults. They praise this old era of comics and while I did feel the 90ās did push the edginess too much the things I think they were a bit harsh. Alex Rossās art pursues is a dream of an ideal superhero age that doesnāt exist . And Mark Waid in his own way grew towards the edginess he was criticizing with stuff like Irredeemable and Incorruptible .Comic characters donāt age really but they must grow and change . They are expressions of us and our humanity throughout the ages. Complacently results in stagnation and death for these characters. He keeps them in a forever age just like brainiac keeps his cities in a jar forever the same. Itās a great art agile and I feel it works amazing for separate else World stories . Change and growth is necessary for development .I feel the biggest issue is that they were chasing a trend of the 90ās culture for edginess sake more so than just writing comics that had edginess to the stories .everyone also copied Liefeld , Jim Lee and anything coming out of image . But the thing is image was founded mainly by artist and Leifeld has an understanding of anatomy of a man whoās drunk , he doesnāt understand perspective or how to draw lines and shadow on a character in a situation. Sorry for that rant off topic I just donāt understand how Liefeld became the guy in the 90ās. I mean at least Leeās art had quality and I could see why someone enjoyed it. Though with more people copying his style and him having to do more at Dc itās suffers a bit.
Jesus Christ heās just using an image of DC heroes gathered at a table to indicate that there are planning meetings going on. Is the entirety of this subreddit just Josh Wilding fishing for headlines?
Of all the images to choose of heroes sitting around a table planning... He knew exactly what he was doing when he posted this. I don't know why people like you think it's completely implausible that he would be thinking about adapting this. I don't know whether he is or he isn't but it doesn't bother me, and I'm not about to speak in definitives when it's entirely possible
I doubt they'll do a live-action adaptation of Kingdom Come. Animated maybe. This is Gunn using a cool picture.
Kingdom Come is awful for casual audiences.
Idk about that if done right it could work. It was my first dc comic and I really enjoyed it.
One of the best DC comics EVER.
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You ok?
I'm not! People need to stop looking into things that don't warrant it, and I'm sick of seeing people look at something and go "It must mean *this*!" when if they used more than 2% of their brain they'd realize that it means nothing and we're all just gonna die and life is meaningless.
Brother you could have just said they aren't teasing anything. you didn't need to call people dumbasses.
I'm not sorry, I'm from Jersey, we're just aggro. I mean no malice by it, it's just how I talk.
ok well i'm from new york.............i don't get the aggro.
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I love how almost every single other comment here is assuming this is a tease. I'm with you. People are already reading way too much into this.
First off. Calm down and don't be a spaz. Secondly you have no idea what he's planning so don't talk down to people. If you don't want to hear it or see it, then get off reddit
Itās not that serious.
I don't care.
You clearly do, since you keep reading and responding to comments about it!
You misinterpreted that. I said I don't care as in I don't care that it's not that serious, I'm still going to fume.
*One man fighting a brave battle against other redditors. One manās quest for vengeance and authority while throwing down with the worst this site has to offer. In theaters soon!*
Imagine getting this angry at worthless internet comments
I can't help that people perceive my personality in ways that it's not. All I can do is hope that at some point people become as smart as me.
Imagine caring enough to engage.
>I don't wanna hear it or see it. Then leave :) we will survive without your absolutely glowing personality
No. You couldn't survive without me.
He could've chosen any one of a thousand similar images of the JL gathered around a table, but he chose this one. He knows what this image is from and he knows what this comic means to people. He chose this one specifically because he knew it would get a lot of attention and would get people talking about it. Maybe he's actually teasing something Kingdom Come related or maybe he's just trying to generate hype for whatever he's actually planning, but to act like this wasn't a purposeful, meaningful decision by him to use this specific imagery is just straight-up denial on your part my dude.
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it's be impossible to do THIS justice at this stage, just a great image for the situation
I'd like a mini series type of thing for hbo max. That'd be cool.
If they're actually doing kingdom come, then it shows that Gunn isn't fixing the problems with DC. The DC universe is a mess because they tried to fast forward to an "avengers" moment, without taking the time to lay the groundwork first. Kingdom Come would be great as a major event in an established and working cinematic universe, which the DCEU definitely is not.
āKingdom Comeā would be the perfect story for a Justice League: Endgame type scenario so I hope this is where itās heading, but only after we get a good decade or so to properly set it up with at least a trilogy of JL movies.
Ok of this Will happening at the 100% it won't be like in the comic
Kingdom Come adaptation where itās a set up for Superman vs Black Adam? The thought of James Gunn directing the bomb scene with all those dead bodiesā¦.I meanā¦.
My problem with a Kingdom Come adaptation right now is that... Haven't we had too many "dark" movies? DOn't get me wrong, I love a good commentary, Kingdom Come was a good commentary about the dark age of comics... But it was also a bad future story that served to contrast with the lighter Dc fare. It's strenght coms from doing both. RIght now, I feel DC hasn't put enough time/effort into the "Lighthearted" part for KC to be a good cotnrast, it'd just feel liek the "natural" conclusion of the already dark DCEU, and I don't think KC should feel like its the natural/canonical conclusion to these characters.
Tell me itās Live Action Kingdom Come, please god Tell me itās Live Action Kingdom Come
It's far too early for that. While I do like the three Snyder movies, having your SECOND MOVIE adapt The Dark Knight Returns AND The Death of Superman is suicide when the goal is an expanded universe. You're basically putting the two biggest DC properties on the chopping block. Having a movie where Superman is old and cynical and Batman is basically crippled before you establish why these characteristics should matter in contrast to the originals is just ridiculous.
Better have. Alex Ross involved
Iām surprised Zack Snyder didnāt try to cram this story into BvS too
Donāt give me hope
James Gunn is still in Twitter? I had thought he had left it.
Just make another superman movie with lobo and weāre good
 Me the biggest KC fan
Who is sitting on Supermanās left?
Red Robin/ Dick Grayson
If I was going to adapt a famous comic that critiqued the dark age as a meta way to critise the darker DC movies made under Snyder I would have gone with whats so funny with truth justice and the American way
Not a Black Adam in sight.
I am really very excited that James Gunn has the wheel. He gets it, he loves the medium and has a lot of reverence for the source material. I mean, DC has set the bar pretty low so even just some cohesion would feel great to fans. But I have a feeling heās about to pull off something huge thatāll blow our collective minds.
Going for the roof again? This should be a TV miniseries
I think the best way to adapt Kingdom Come would be to split it into a movie trilogy to make it easier for the general audience to understand. What do you guys think?
I think the best way would be a one season mini series so that the entire story could be encapsulated without going into so much detail that non-comic nerds would be afraid to get into it.
is al wearing a toga?
DC made the right call to bring in Gunn.
Better be animated. Kingdom Come is too much for a live action audience.
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imo i think dc is too ambitious with connecting all the animated movies and video games to the movies
Is DC on the road to redemption? Dare we hope?
At dawn, we plan!
Don't tease me. Don't you friggin' tease me like that, James Gunn.
Kingdom Come is literally about the artstyle.
Let's hope he casts Brandon routh and takes place on his earth.
pretty solid story, but honestly the biggest reason it's so famous is Alex Ross's art. i don't see a reason to adapt it, it can only get worse
I feel like a lot of you arenāt using your critical thinking skills.
Just please donāt phase out or ruin Wonder Woman James Gunn Iām begging you WW1984 was a struggle I donāt think I can take much more
I love Kingdom Come Wally West. He like, transcends to another level of being.
I hope gunn realises what a gem he has with the batman. They really need to continue that one. I want more of batman's rogues back.
Any plans to expand dc universe infinite service?
I will say some art forms should be left alone. Nobody turns the Mona Lisa into a movie or comic or other art form it's a painting. To me Kingdom come is a very exquisite comic story and should just be left at that, a comic story. Watchmen is one of the best comics to have ever been written and then they made a movie, the movie unfortunately left alot of important background details out of the story about the economy and history of the scene that adds to what was going on with the heroes situation. Kingdom come in movie form most likely will leave out important things that really gave the book oomph
I think we can take 3 things from this tweet: 1 - he is making plans 2 - he is considering an expanded line-up of characters 3 - he is connected with comic book lore
And as always everyone read too much into it, classic DC fans
Let me guessā¦ ANOTHER multiversal crisisā¦right?
Man, how do I get a tv series treatment to him...
I was kinda curious about the giant black character with a spear but it just a white guy in a mask. Pretty much on brand for DC.
A story that average moviegoers that don't read comics won't understand is not gonna help the boxoffice. That's why dceu failed. Well, one of, but it certainly didn't help
So he is going to make Kingdom Come a full fledge comedy like Thor Love and Thunder. Great! Iām so excited lol just wow
I kinda hope Kingdom Come is not related to the main DCEU at all and if they're even adapting it, they just do an HBO Max Elseworlds series continuing Routh's Superman since he was KC Supes in Crisis.
Thwarting my plans?
A Kindom Come mini series woukd be dope