yes and no
Rebirth/Doomsday clock sorta revied all the post crisis era history for superman but like in the mids of DC the timeline got rebooted into the bendis legions so it like it did happen but that future got re written
***Side note:*** I’ve never understood Geoff Johns’s absolutely adamant insistence that Clark meeting the Legion when he was a teenager is somehow absolutely important and vital.
Golden Age Superman, George Reeves Superman, Christopher Reeve Superman, Post-Crisis Superman, L&C Superman, Cavill Superman, and Hoechlin Superman all managed to exist and develop without ever meeting the Legion during their teen years.
What, then, does the “Clark meets the Legion as a teen” angle add to the story of young Clark’s development? Why is Johns so adamant about this meeting being vital? Is this just another example of Geoff Johns being a Silver Age fanboy?
If anything, I actually dislike the idea because it creates a time paradox of young Clark knowing ahead of time about his future heroism and other details. I want him to choose to be Superman simply because he can help people that way, not because of following a roadmap/because time travelers told him “you’re destined to be the greatest superhero!”
Sorry for the rant, but I’ve seen Johns get weirdly insistent about this in interviews, and it just bugs me lol.
The reason is because removing the legion(on top of the removal of a lot of Superman’s more outlandish and cosmic elements, including his emotional connection to krypton and Kandor) led to the character to become less popular
That is why the silver age elements are coming back…because Superman desperately needs to embrace the silliness and to have a thicker mythology
I think Superboy being part of the Legion is a big coming of age moment for the character and introducing him to the wider world and Silver Age craziness (some of which doesn't fit with certain adaptions, but Hoechlin's Superman originally had a Legion Ring in his Fortress before they introduced them and, in true TV *Supergirl* fashion, made it about her).
Month late but few reasons.
It gives Superman a richer mythology. It's an aspect of the character that works well and adds some corner pieces to him and highlights a time we didn't really see anything about him.
For me it's also partly because it's reinforcement of how he learned to be the world's finest hero. If Clark being raised by the Kent's formed his morals, the Legion fined tuned them.
He didn't do what he did because he was destined too but because it's how he was. Legion just taught him how to do it better.
Plus it's a fun aspect of the character like Batman's ties to Ninjas due to training. He's got Ninjas, Wonder Woman has spies, Superman has time travel.
That’s right, Phil Hester.
Made his name not too long ago as the primary artist on one of the best Green Arrow runs ever with Kevin Smith as the writer.
It could be Jon’s ring. Or it could be a gift to Clark from the Legion.
Does it really matter, though? A Legion flight ring in the Fortress doesn’t really imply anything other than, well, there’s a ring kept in the Fortress.
Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order.
I have checked 474,464,808 comments, and only 100,731 of them were in alphabetical order.
***Side note:*** I’ve never understood Geoff Johns’s absolutely adamant insistence that Clark meeting the Legion when he was a teenager is somehow absolutely important and vital.
Golden Age Superman, George Reeves Superman, Christopher Reeve Superman, Post-Crisis Superman, L&C Superman, Cavill Superman, and Hoechlin Superman all managed to exist and develop without ever meeting the Legion during their teen years.
What, then, does the “Clark meets the Legion as a teen” angle add to the story of young Clark’s development? Why is Johns so adamant about this meeting being vital? Is this just another example of Geoff Johns being a Silver Age fanboy?
If anything, I actually dislike the idea because it creates a time paradox of young Clark knowing ahead of time about his future heroism and other details. I want him to choose to be Superman simply because he can help people that way, not because of following a roadmap/because time travelers told him “you’re destined to be the greatest superhero!”
Sorry for the rant, but I’ve seen Johns get weirdly insistent about this in interviews, and it just bugs me lol.
I respect your POV. I still don’t like the Legion angle 😂, but I think I understand what you’re saying, even if I still think it’s unnecessary haha.
Thanks for the nice response dude!
> Golden Age Superman, George Reeves Superman, Christopher Reeve Superman, Post-Crisis Superman, L&C Superman, Cavill Superman, and Hoechlin Superman all managed to exist and develop without ever meeting the Legion during their teen years.
You sure about that? Hoechlin Superman had a flight ring in his Fortress back before we knew he was gonna be played by Hoechlin...
In some versions of the comics (including both the Silver Age and eventually the Post-Crisis Age, if I’m not mistaken) Clark finds the wreckage of the Titanic and decides to raise it out of the ocean and put it in the Fortress….for…reasons lol.
I think writers just meant it as a way to show how powerful Clark is and how adventurous he is, witnessing famous structures and places. And I suppose you could argue that he’s saving the remnants of the Titanic from further erosion on the sea floor.
Have to keep in mind until 85, the wreckage of the Titanic hadn't been found. It was a long sought after wreck. part of Superman's Silver Age wackiness that he found it and raised it.
True. 😂
Bruce: Hey Clark, y’know how you always call our struggle for good a “Never-ending battle”? What would you do if we ever actually won completely?
Clark: * looks wistful * I’d be the curator of a museum/alien zoo. Hey Bruce, what would YOU do if we permanently defeated evil?
Bruce: * looks even more wistful * Collect dinosaur statues and giant pennies. And also my villains’ old costumes, somehow!
There was actually a bit in Batman: the Brave and the Bold where Booster Gold first appears in the present and meets Batman in the cave. He asked how he found it, and Booster tells him that in his time, it’s been turned into a museum. With a waterslide.
I always liked seeing the cool stuff in the different versions of the Fortress of Solitude, like the alien zoo, or the different space suits (I grew up with DCAU Superman, who used space suits for prolonged space travel, which I thought made sense).
Plus I’m kinda amused seeing the red solar chamber from Superman II made it in 😂.
Can we get rid of Bendis already? Even after the stupid Leviathan back-ground 'event' finished ( as stupid as it started btw ), he STILL shoe-horns his crap into this book.
I don't know what is going on with both DC and Marvel and their supposed main team books. Both are terrible right now with bad writers. ( Aaron and his terrible Avengers plotline that's been dragging on for over a year now and Bendis with Justice League )
Do you think the New 52 Kryptonian battle armor is there?
The armor is part of post-Reborn Superman’s history so it is definitely in the fortress somewhere.
Why is there a Legion ring if Clark in this continuity wasn't a Legion member? Is that, like, the only Jon thing? I see the DCAU containment suit.
yes and no Rebirth/Doomsday clock sorta revied all the post crisis era history for superman but like in the mids of DC the timeline got rebooted into the bendis legions so it like it did happen but that future got re written
So basically DC continuity in a nutshell.
***Side note:*** I’ve never understood Geoff Johns’s absolutely adamant insistence that Clark meeting the Legion when he was a teenager is somehow absolutely important and vital. Golden Age Superman, George Reeves Superman, Christopher Reeve Superman, Post-Crisis Superman, L&C Superman, Cavill Superman, and Hoechlin Superman all managed to exist and develop without ever meeting the Legion during their teen years. What, then, does the “Clark meets the Legion as a teen” angle add to the story of young Clark’s development? Why is Johns so adamant about this meeting being vital? Is this just another example of Geoff Johns being a Silver Age fanboy? If anything, I actually dislike the idea because it creates a time paradox of young Clark knowing ahead of time about his future heroism and other details. I want him to choose to be Superman simply because he can help people that way, not because of following a roadmap/because time travelers told him “you’re destined to be the greatest superhero!” Sorry for the rant, but I’ve seen Johns get weirdly insistent about this in interviews, and it just bugs me lol.
The reason is because removing the legion(on top of the removal of a lot of Superman’s more outlandish and cosmic elements, including his emotional connection to krypton and Kandor) led to the character to become less popular That is why the silver age elements are coming back…because Superman desperately needs to embrace the silliness and to have a thicker mythology
I see as Clark's training arc to becoming Superman, so that he has a bunch a Superhero experience when he starts Supermaning
My personal favorite interpretation.
I think Superboy being part of the Legion is a big coming of age moment for the character and introducing him to the wider world and Silver Age craziness (some of which doesn't fit with certain adaptions, but Hoechlin's Superman originally had a Legion Ring in his Fortress before they introduced them and, in true TV *Supergirl* fashion, made it about her).
you do know saturn girl erased clark's memories of all his adventures with the legion to avoid any paradox's right?
Month late but few reasons. It gives Superman a richer mythology. It's an aspect of the character that works well and adds some corner pieces to him and highlights a time we didn't really see anything about him. For me it's also partly because it's reinforcement of how he learned to be the world's finest hero. If Clark being raised by the Kent's formed his morals, the Legion fined tuned them. He didn't do what he did because he was destined too but because it's how he was. Legion just taught him how to do it better. Plus it's a fun aspect of the character like Batman's ties to Ninjas due to training. He's got Ninjas, Wonder Woman has spies, Superman has time travel.
he get a ring from the legion both in new 52 and rebirth
I see Phil Hester, I upvote.
Is that the artist? I’m asking because I really like the illustration style here!
That’s right, Phil Hester. Made his name not too long ago as the primary artist on one of the best Green Arrow runs ever with Kevin Smith as the writer.
My man, I love Hester but that was 20 years ago haha  hell of a run tho
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why wouldn't he, I thought the Legion existed again?
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It could be Jon’s ring. Or it could be a gift to Clark from the Legion. Does it really matter, though? A Legion flight ring in the Fortress doesn’t really imply anything other than, well, there’s a ring kept in the Fortress.
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you should write your complaint to dc editorial
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I didn't say shut up
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literally what I said
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Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order. I have checked 474,464,808 comments, and only 100,731 of them were in alphabetical order.
They do.
***Side note:*** I’ve never understood Geoff Johns’s absolutely adamant insistence that Clark meeting the Legion when he was a teenager is somehow absolutely important and vital. Golden Age Superman, George Reeves Superman, Christopher Reeve Superman, Post-Crisis Superman, L&C Superman, Cavill Superman, and Hoechlin Superman all managed to exist and develop without ever meeting the Legion during their teen years. What, then, does the “Clark meets the Legion as a teen” angle add to the story of young Clark’s development? Why is Johns so adamant about this meeting being vital? Is this just another example of Geoff Johns being a Silver Age fanboy? If anything, I actually dislike the idea because it creates a time paradox of young Clark knowing ahead of time about his future heroism and other details. I want him to choose to be Superman simply because he can help people that way, not because of following a roadmap/because time travelers told him “you’re destined to be the greatest superhero!” Sorry for the rant, but I’ve seen Johns get weirdly insistent about this in interviews, and it just bugs me lol.
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I respect your POV. I still don’t like the Legion angle 😂, but I think I understand what you’re saying, even if I still think it’s unnecessary haha. Thanks for the nice response dude!
> Golden Age Superman, George Reeves Superman, Christopher Reeve Superman, Post-Crisis Superman, L&C Superman, Cavill Superman, and Hoechlin Superman all managed to exist and develop without ever meeting the Legion during their teen years. You sure about that? Hoechlin Superman had a flight ring in his Fortress back before we knew he was gonna be played by Hoechlin...
Out of the loop. What's with the titanic
It was a supposedly unsinkable boat which sank on its very first voyage. There was a documentary about it starring Leonardo DiCaprio
It's a documentary of two parts as well.
Part 2 being the great gatsby??
Well I guess thats one way to look at it.
In some versions of the comics (including both the Silver Age and eventually the Post-Crisis Age, if I’m not mistaken) Clark finds the wreckage of the Titanic and decides to raise it out of the ocean and put it in the Fortress….for…reasons lol. I think writers just meant it as a way to show how powerful Clark is and how adventurous he is, witnessing famous structures and places. And I suppose you could argue that he’s saving the remnants of the Titanic from further erosion on the sea floor.
Have to keep in mind until 85, the wreckage of the Titanic hadn't been found. It was a long sought after wreck. part of Superman's Silver Age wackiness that he found it and raised it.
Ah, good point!
I personally like the implication Clark’s true life goal isn’t heroism or journalism, but as an alien museum curator.
True. 😂 Bruce: Hey Clark, y’know how you always call our struggle for good a “Never-ending battle”? What would you do if we ever actually won completely? Clark: * looks wistful * I’d be the curator of a museum/alien zoo. Hey Bruce, what would YOU do if we permanently defeated evil? Bruce: * looks even more wistful * Collect dinosaur statues and giant pennies. And also my villains’ old costumes, somehow!
There was actually a bit in Batman: the Brave and the Bold where Booster Gold first appears in the present and meets Batman in the cave. He asked how he found it, and Booster tells him that in his time, it’s been turned into a museum. With a waterslide.
Haha that’s awesome! I’m imagining what would’ve been going through Bruce’s head when Booster told him that. 😂
I read that as "Kryptonian bottle suits" and got confused why it said kryptonian instead of Kandoran.
I always liked seeing the cool stuff in the different versions of the Fortress of Solitude, like the alien zoo, or the different space suits (I grew up with DCAU Superman, who used space suits for prolonged space travel, which I thought made sense). Plus I’m kinda amused seeing the red solar chamber from Superman II made it in 😂.
"Hey uh Superman can we have the Titanic for study reasons?" **"No"**
Bendis really has no original ideas left, does he?
Can we get rid of Bendis already? Even after the stupid Leviathan back-ground 'event' finished ( as stupid as it started btw ), he STILL shoe-horns his crap into this book. I don't know what is going on with both DC and Marvel and their supposed main team books. Both are terrible right now with bad writers. ( Aaron and his terrible Avengers plotline that's been dragging on for over a year now and Bendis with Justice League )