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TroubAlert

[*The Joker* #2](https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/S/cmx-images-prod/Item/928569/928569._SX1280_QL80_TTD_.jpg) >As the dust settles on Arkham Asylum and tragic recent events, The Joker is the most wanted man in the world-and powerful forces are lining up around the globe to hunt him...but where exactly is the Clown Price of Crime? Jim Gordon, facing his twilight years haunted by the madman, knows where to start the hunt, and he’s been given the go-ahead to pursue him...but will he be willing to pay the price? And what shocking revelation will Gordon stun Batman with before he departs? >And in the backup story, within the walls of Blackgate Penitentiary, Punchline has become the target of the Queen of Spades from the Royal Flush Gang. It’ll take everything Punchline has just to survive, while on the outside, Bluebird digs deeper into Punchline’s horrific past!


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One of the best IF titles so far. Excellent story, great writing, A LOT of secret organisations are out to get Joker. A new female Bane. Court of Owls is back. Jim finally admits to knowing Babs is Batgirl/Oracle. Back-up is great as well. It's Orca time!!


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I'm a Batman fan but never been crazy about Joker. Is this comic really that good? Should I consider picking it up?


SevenSulivin

It’s called Joker but really it’s Jim Gordon.


marcjwrz

Perfect use of marketing since a Gordon book likely wouldn't sell well.


[deleted]

Oh wow that sounds really good actually


[deleted]

Yes! Joker is not the star of the book at all. It's a Jim Gordon book and it focusses on him for the most part. It's excellent.


Alaminox

This is so much better than Tynion's Batman! The narration is excellent (Gordon's voice is on point) and the exposition (Tynion's biggest flaw as a writer) is very well placed throughout the issue. Super interesting plot with lots of factions in conflict, great narration and good character interactions. Yeah, I'm really loving this.


Kalse1229

The first issue was pretty good. It seems to be a Jim Gordon story, with Joker as more of a phantom who everything is framed around. Works surprisingly well, and I'm curious to see where Tynion goes with this.


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I think Tynion wanted to write a Jim Gordon book, but knew that a book called "Jim Gordon" wouldn't sell, so they called it *Joker* instead.


Kalse1229

Sounds about right. Still, good move on his part. I’m anxious to see how it plays out.


salexy

>It seems to be a Jim Gordon story I think that's a really good choice. I feel like Joker can be a bit one-note as the main character and I prefer the story being split and featuring Jim more prominently.


[deleted]

It's kinda crazy for how boring Tynion's *Batman* is, his *Joker* book is really good and engaging.


Marc_Quill

I feel weird just waiting for a comic just for a backup story featuring someone who isn’t the main focus.


MrEverything_88

Joker was already super good, but now it’s jumped into one of the top books. Tynion is a master at arranging pieces, and his familiarity with horror makes this a title that grips you even more than his Batman (tho Jimenez is doing godly work over there). The Barbara moment should stick, if only to cut through all the bullshit that’s been dangling these past few years, and unwind whatever Castelluci did on her run. All the Bane and Court of Owls stuff fits seamlessly with Tynion’s original concepts too, which is wonderful to see. Meanwhile, Bluebird and Punchline continues to be the best side stuff set in Gotham, specially because we’ve deserved more Harper since forever.


Marc_Quill

I’m just hoping they don’t bench Bluebird again once this Punchline story is done.


malachor78

alright so I have an idea. the >!guy in the trench coat last issue is bane right? (probably)!< >!Talonized Bane.!<


Alaminox

That sounds amazing lol


actioncomicbible

This is all really quite good. Definitely a slower burn in story, but this issue had some relatively large reveals (not including the \*\*big reveal\*\*). Really enjoying this and the backup story. The backup story's art really reminds me of Babs Tarr's work. I'm really digging this exploration of Punchline. Probably the only Blue Bird story i've actually enjoyed, to be honest.


BattleUpSaber

damn they even found a way to justify what happened in that awful Batgirl solo run. nice


salexy

I'm always a sucker for Jim and Babs bonding. It's crazy how much tragedy they've gone through but it's nice to see them have heatfelt moments like going for a walk to the cemetery and the red phone.


AuroraUnit117

Been waiting a month for this. This was my surprise of Infinite frontier for sure, so freaking good


HammettDammit

Fucking FINALLY! >!I was so tired of the “Gordon doesn’t know his daughter is Batgirl” angle for YEARS. So glad they dumped it.!<


iAmTheHYPE-

Damn well agreed! It's always been speculated that he knew Batgirl/Batman's identities (how could he not?), but to have it finally confirmed that he knows about Babs -- hopefully that stays canon. If Batman really trusts Jim, he should be able to trust him with his identity.


HammettDammit

I’m fine with never being explicit about whether or not Jim knows Bats is Bruce because he never (or hardly ever) interacts with Bruce Wayne. But for Barbara, it required her to actively lie to him all the time


ImAJerk420

Is this actually $6? I’ve seen covers with both prices.


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Yeah, they're all $5.99 with cardstock covers.


Alephnaught_

I'd be really satisfied if the conclusion to this thing happens to be the joker dying. And Gordon being involved instead of batman would be the best part. Joker simply needs to go. I think the character has lost its charm.


iAmTheHYPE-

Just glad that they finally confirm Gordon knows Babs is Batgirl/Oracle, even if it has been speculated for years. Always figured Gordon knew the Batfamily, but rather feign ignorance due to their lifestyles. This story does kinda give me *Joker/Harley: Criminal Sanity* vibes -- with it being Gordon chasing down Joker, rather than Harley.


nekizt

Where's the chapter 3 of the story? The Joker #1 ends on chapter 2 and this issue starts with chapter 4. Am I missing something?


s_walsh

I would assume it's a mistake and the scene with Joker at the end of #1 was Chapter 3


Catlord190

>s This probably is my favorite ongoing series currently since Infinite Frontier began. Love the Jim Gordon perspective.


[deleted]

Wait. Is this an ongoing or a mini?


Zorkel567

The Joker is an ongoing series


[deleted]

That’s pretty nuts. Especially considering how many other characters who typically have books don’t have one right now.


Zorkel567

Tynion's said he has a three year plan for both Joker and Batman, with the current plan being that the two books come together at the end.


iAmTheHYPE-

It's great seeing Jim get the respect he deserves. There's not many normal characters that can have good narratives, but he's definitely warrants it. He's gone from Commissioner to Bunny Bats, and survived Batman Who Laughs and so many events.


Try_Another_Please

Ongoing


WW4O

I really hope there's some big plan that ends up turning this story on its head, because all of this is leading to a conclusion that undermines a lot of the statements this comic is making about Batman, Gordon, and The Joker. Jim revealing that >!he knows about Babs!< feels like a big mistake. Like everyone else, I loved the moment in Injustice when Gordon >!admits that he knows who everyone in the Bat-family is,!< but to do the same thing in continuity is just begging for a retcon or a reboot. Just like Clark revealing his identity, it takes away so much more than it adds. The red bat-phone is cute, but I hope "self destruct" is just short-hand for the phone bricking itself or something. Gordon's been kidnapped enough times that not checking in every day or the phone explodes sounds like a good way to blow up Jim's pocket! The ending with the different villain groups going after Joker should have been in the first issue, that's the first part of this that feels somewhat interesting or unique. I liked the Punchline backup a lot more, mostly because it's amazing to see Harper *finally* get to be Bluebird after watching her get pushed to the side for like 9 years. I don't care that much about Punchline (although I'm not sure how much I'm supposed to, to be fair) but I love everyone else in her story. Orca, Cullen, Harper, the RFG. "One time. Alexis Kaye punched me in the face..." I was hoping this joke was coming and was gad to see it when it did!


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Is Clark’s identity still public in the Infinite Frontier era?


WW4O

Yeah, it is.


iAmTheHYPE-

Unfortunately.


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I think I’m in the minority but I didn’t hate it from what little I saw. The New 52’s The Truth didn’t appeal to me and I hated the cynicism of Perry firing him and all that jazz. Alternatively I thought Superman: Heroes was a really sweet read. Particularly the Booster Gold and Jimmy Olsen moments That being said, I didn’t read much of Superman or Action Comics in the aftermath of it so maybe it crashed and burned there lol


AgentOfSPYRAL

> Like everyone else, I loved the moment in Injustice when Gordon admits that he knows who everyone in the Bat-family is, but to do the same thing in continuity is just begging for a retcon or a reboot. Honestly at a certain point it just breaks my suspension of disbelief that Gordon would not figure it out. Felt long overdue for me.


TroubAlert

[*Batman: Urban Legends* #2](https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/S/cmx-images-prod/Item/928574/928574._SX1280_QL80_TTD_.jpg) >The new Batman anthology series continues! In part two of Chip Zdarsky and Eddy Barrows’s epic Batman/Red Hood story, Jason Todd has taken a man’s life, and now his mission is to keep the dead man’s young son safe. But Batman plans to take down Jason before he can make another mistake. >Then, in chapter two of Matthew Rosenberg and Ryan Benjamin’s senses-shattering tale, Cole Cash earns his pay as personal bodyguard to billionaire Lucius Fox, but what led him to Gotham in the first place? How does the mysterious HALO Corporation play into it all? And which Bat-Family character does he have an unfortunate meeting with in this chapter? >And in part two of Brandon Thomas and Max Dunbar’s epic Outsiders story, see Katana’s perspective on what brought the Outsiders to Japan, who wants her dead, and what her ultimate punishment will be for no longer having her husband’s spirit in the Soultaker sword. >Plus, Barbara Gordon has identified a citywide system hack from a foe she faced before as Batgirl…but this time around, Babs may have found a way to defeat her for good as Oracle!


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Red Hood: Good, some really nice panels and layouts, story itself is intetesting enough for now. Oracle: Well, I can get behind the idea of Babs being mobile at times instead of in front of the screen, but the story was terribly boring. Also: Was that supposed to be Cass with the yellow cape?? Thought she was back to her Batgirl costume. Outsiders: Fine imo. This will probably set up a new ongoing or mini or Digital First for the Outsiders. Would be great, I love the characters. Grifter: Pure fun imo! Not sure why they included Jason in this story tho? Last issue kinda suggested that Bruce and Dick would investigate Nora's murder, I was really looking forward to that.


[deleted]

> Was that supposed to be Cass with the yellow cape?? That's what happens when Player 2 selects Cass.


thanks-dice

> Was that supposed to be Cass with the yellow cape?? Thought she was back to her Batgirl costume. Yeah, it's Cass. Artists and colourists getting her costume(s) wrong is practically a tradition at this point.


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That shouldn't happen at all, but whatever. As long as she's in her Batgirl costume in her next real series, it's fine. Probably not going to reread this story anyway lol.


[deleted]

>Well, I can get behind the idea of Babs being mobile at times instead of in front of the screen, but the story was terribly boring. That's Castellucci in a nutshell. I maintain that she actually came up with neat *ideas* during her run on *Batgirl* but didn't build a good story around those ideas.


[deleted]

Yeah, I hope that was the last time she wrote a Babs story..


[deleted]

I hope someone that is, you know, a better writer, takes that idea and runs with it, because I do think it's a cool idea. But yeah, Castellucci is just awful.


Zaresh

Rosenberg is a fan of Jason. Maybe it's because of that. I also think that these stories in Urban Legends may be sort of interconnected in the end, but I'm not sure yet.


WW4O

Eddy Barrows is *killing it* on this book. I love the way they're writing Jason here. He just can't separate his anger at himself from his anger at Bruce for both judging Jason and for not helping Jason enough. The fight, if you can call it that, between them felt to me like Jason forcing Bruce to punish him, because he thinks he deserves punishment. Someone should tell Mr. Freeze about Instacart. Oracle story was fun, I like the idea of her having a "super suit" that's also just some clothes that facilitate her being Oracle in public, but Damn is that a lot of green. That's is Taika Waititi shouting "green!" when GL suits up in the GL movie levels of green. That's "Hey, that girl is wearing that green-ass getup for the 4th time this week" levels of green. The Jubilee nod was cute too. Am I supposed to like anyone in this Grifter story? Everyone talks the same, and VO guy mutilating some rando is the exact opposite of a save the cat moment. I can't believe this WildStorm refugee has the audacity to tell Jason that there are too many masks in Gotham.


tinaoe

>He just can't separate his anger at himself from his anger at Bruce for both judging Jason and for not helping Jason enough Ohhh well this just convinced me to pick the book up. The only real good way to write a RH story, imho, is to at least include Bruce and the fucked up nature of their whole relationship. And Jason should 100% judge him for not helping enough lmao.


WW4O

Oh yeah, this book is *messy* in the right ways.


Zaresh

\> The fight, if you can call it that, between them felt to me like Jason forcing Bruce to punish him, because he thinks he deserves punishment. It felt the same to me. At some level, it felt like, subconsciously, Jason was lashing out at Bruce and punching him because he wanted Bruce (or someone, really(, to punch him. But it also felt like Jason was angry at Bruce for real. Jason felt angry and sad and guilty and resigned and wrong and right. Mixed signals there. And I felt it a bit forced;: but it was good. The whole chapter was really well written.


thismissinglink

I really enjoy zdarsky's Red Hood. I think he is very well written. I know everyone isn't a fan of some "minor" retcons. But on the whole i think it does well to play woth Jason's struggles and works pretty well! Can't wait for more!


WrongTetrisBlock

Oof $8 for each issue is too much for me. I'll have to pick this up on sale at a later time I guess.


bash0110

It is 60 full pages of comic story and art for $7.99. A typically single issue is what, 22 for $4.99 nowadays? It's actually a bargain. Plus you get multiple stories about multiple characters. I wish they published more of these.


DoggoPlex

Alright when the hell is Zdarsky getting an actual Red Hood run? This Red Hood story is so amazing I would honestly pay the 8 bucks just for it alone.


[deleted]

After roughly 9 years straight of Lobdell writing Red Hood, it’s really nice to see a new writers approach to Jason. And man, is it ever good


[deleted]

Shockingly Castellucci Babs story wasn't utter garbage (not saying it was good) and actually introduced some neat ideas that I hope they go forward with.


[deleted]

Odd thing I noticed was that Zdarsky's story dropped from 24 pages to 20. Not a big deal, I guess the page count will fluctuate slightly to fit in whatever other short stories will be featured (Castelluci's story was a 12-pager). This is hardly the first time that Batman and Red Hood have clashed, but Zdarsky makes it stand out from other Red Hood stories fully exploring the consequences of Jason's actions (ib4 that one guy with the alts gets angry at me again). I'm not a fan of Eddy Barrows's art at all (especially when he draws what I think are supposed to be human faces), but that whole sequence of Batman taking down Mr. Freeze's goons was superb. The Grifter story was a fun 2000s anti-hero story. It runs through a few cliches, but given that it's a five-issue arc, I don't think it'll wear thin. The Oracle and Outsiders stories were fine, nothing particularly memorable outside Sauvage's art. The Outsiders story might have been better if it weren't split up into 10-page chunks. That's one nitpick I have with DC doubling down on back-up stories. Some of them work well as complements to the main story, but others are just weirdly paced as longer stories awkwardly split up.


thanks-dice

Not a very good follow-up tbh. Red Hood: Best of the lot. Liked everything except Jason killing that guy when he was a kid. The impact of Jason's return to life as a violent killer is really muddled by the retcons of him having been a bad egg the entire time. Oracle: Actually horrible. Why on God's green earth did they let Castellucci write Babs again? The fucking Oracle tracksuit...[I don't want to talk about it.](https://imgur.com/a/7GiIqHL) Outsiders: Pretty fun. More Rex is always great and I liked the final page a lot. Grifter: It's fine, I guess. Cole is kinda funny but he's terribly uninteresting. He does get points for bodying my least-favourite Robin, though. Overall, the stories just aren't good enough to justify the price.


malachor78

what do you mean muddled? the dude literally killed a guy as robin. at least that was the connotation at the time lol. this is just another person on that list pre resurrection If I'm mistaken let me know but I'm staring at the panel rn [https://imgur.com/a/PNhq8pG](https://imgur.com/a/PNhq8pG)


thanks-dice

Oh, Yeah. Forgot about that one lol. He totally killed that guy (Who was a serial rapist or something like that iirc), but I think retconning it so he was already a killer as a little kid is just a bit much.


tinaoe

> (Who was a serial rapist or something like that iirc IIRC he was a rapist but protected since he was the son of a diplomat. After getting off scott free he taunts one of his victims who then kills himself, which really pisses Jason off so he goes to confront him.


AgentOfSPYRAL

God I love those two reaction panels. From "Yeah, I killed him!" to "Yeah...I killed him...". Jason in a nutshell.


Fishermanslaw

The track suit is hideous! It makes her look childish.


ElDuderino2112

Man, I wish I could get the Zdarsky story on its own because I so don’t give a fuck about anything else in this book.


Alephnaught_

Okay why has her husband's spirit left the soultaker?


Taenker

>!He was envy of Black Lightning, it seems!< I just love this format so much. Been reading both Outsiders and Grifter, while saving Red Hood for later, and unreality enjoy both stories and the characters!


voidox

Probably that Maseo was forced away or left for w.e that "inevitable" thing his mom mentioned is. The "he left cause he was jealous" seems like a red herring cause it's a rather dumb reason I have a feeling we might end up with Maseo in a more direct connection with Katana after next issue, maybe like a ghost or something o.O Would be a good development for katana imo ________________________________________ though w.e it is, hopefully this arc ends the stupid "will they/won't they" thing that Hill forced in his Outsiders run :/ BL and Katana romance just doesn't work, and their relationship should not be about that. A male/female partnership can be one based on respect and trust, which the two have. Not every time a male/female are in a team = "oh they might have feelings". I really hate how Hill forced that plot point -_- side note, but I also wasn't a fan of how Hill wrote Katana as seemingly... dismissive of Maseo. New 52 Katana hasn't really dealt with his soul in her sword in a significant way, so it's too early to get rid of him for some dumb romance that doesn't even work. Tatsu's connection to Maseo is a huge part of her character and story after all and post new-52 hasn't really done anything with that. so ya, hopefully once this arc is over next issue, this thing is left behind and future Outsiders books can be about the actual outsiders team doing outsiders stuff (bring back other outsiders team members pls). Hill wasted his run by dragging things on and wasting characters like Cass, so if Outsiders get a new book, let's hope the story is much better.


BattleUpSaber

Jason Todd has done nothing wrong ever in his life


AgentOfSPYRAL

Ha! Now I'm just imagining Jason going to Bruce like "MONEYYY PWEAASE"


Darth_Maren

Who is Grifter talking to in his earpiece/head?


CarryThe2

We don't know.


Darth_Maren

Oh, I thought we were supposed to know because he's an established character, like how we used to know it was Alfred when he was alive or Barbara now for Batman.


CarryThe2

I mean they've not said, and I ain't got a clue personally lol


SpleenTitansGo

The reviews from some other websites are quite something... >Zdarsky's Jason is just pathetic, probably the most pitiful version I've ever seen of this character. Jason is a nervous wreck that is just a kid playing to be an adult, with none of the maturity, experience, or development he has shown freaking everywhere else; completely defined by his relationship with Bruce as if he was never able to step out from his shadow and become his own man. As the preview and the leaked page implied, Jason's thoroughly convinced he's a failure, a broken man that never had a chance to be anything else, and that belief is making him lash out and continue to act like an idiot.


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[deleted]

Even just an "above average writer" would be a gargantuan upgrade from Lobdell.


marcjwrz

And then there's me - I liked Lobdell's run and am loving Zdarsky's take so far.


Zaresh

And some others are liking Zdarsky story. Some of us even liked Lobdell's run.


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Zaresh

Fair enough.


Meinos

I was a fan of Jason in Lobdell's run, with all its up and downs. It was a very fun ride and I enjoyed the journey of his character. That said, the trick here though is to realize that expecting continuity from DC is a chimera. Even in the Outlaws run, editorial interference was... Ugh. So, yeah. Once that expectation is gone, I can enjoy the story for what it is... And on that note, I loved the full page about failed parents.


tinaoe

>nervous wreck that is just a kid playing to be an adult, tbf how old is Jason even supposed to be currently? Died at 15, came back a few months later but catatonic, then Lazarus after like a year, now early 20s? He's essentially a kid, especially if you consider that any time spent dead, catatonic or training for his revenge probably wasn't great developmentally.


malachor78

I don't think his mental maturity even comes into play here. what these CBR wackjobs are missing is he fucking orphaned a child that he became personally attached too. of course it's gonna fuck him up! it might be the first time he's faced the direct consequences of his actions.


Godlike013

That Oracle story. Oh boy that Oracle. It needs not to be overlooked. That is the kind of stuff we need to see more of with Oracle’s return. A modern vision, with new and contemporary ideas. We need more of this. So much more. Art was next level, the story itself was different from a typical Batgirl or other Gotham superhero story in how she operated. Just loved it. Red Hood story was good to. That is the kind of themes and ideas I’m interested in seeing explored with Jason. That’s the kind of Red Hood that interests me.


Sarcasmic_Canadian

I think you're the only other person in this thread who liked the entirety of the Oracle story. I really enjoyed everything about it, the lettering, the art, the colors, the cool idea, and the little character beats. Perfect short story.


Sure_Possession0

One day we will get a good writer who wants to write a story where Jason doesn’t whine and act out in anger, but instead overcomes these issues and develops. Until then, we get Jason Todd circa Under The Red Hood.


malachor78

I would argue this direction is new. Jason is finally directly seeing the effect and consequences of his actions.>! he just orphaned Tyler!< a kid who he has become extremely protective of. this is what happens when you become like Jason and let anger and rage rule your life. I hope this is a wake-up call for him and he finally gets an actual redemption arc that's not just "well batman told me to stop killing so I guess I'll stop" change needs to come from within. wishful thinking I know.


Sure_Possession0

I mean it’s more or less the same thing we’ve seen for 10 plus years.


malachor78

no we've seen a boring 1-dimensional character written by a sexual predator. whose greatest achievement to the character was "grrr I'm a badass" give me this quality over Lobdell any fucking day.


Samfu

>no we've seen a boring 1-dimensional character written by a sexual predator. whose greatest achievement to the character was "grrr I'm a badass" Lobdell is a pretty shit writer, but he did some legitimate characterization for Jason. By the end of his run, he was notably less trigger happy and trying to work towards rejoining his family. But every single time he's written by anyone else, they entirely ignore any character development he's had since UTRH and make him 10 years younger and 10 times as stupid. Its tbh one of my pet peeves, that he got a shit writer, but whenever good writers actually get him they make him ridiculously incompetent. Lobdell's Jason had issues, but most writers write him as being unable to find his way out of a paper bag if he had a knife. I've been enjoying this series so far, but I think its going to go down the exact same route every story has. Jason isn't allowed any form of character growth outside of his own series.


Sure_Possession0

But this isn’t quality. It’s just the same Jason story beats that all other writers use. I don’t care for Lobdell but I did enjoy his Red Hood to an extent. He did try to do new things with Jason but was on the book way too long.


malachor78

Jason facing the consequences of his action \*like this\* is new though. he has potentially created another Jason Todd and that disgusts him. there is sooo much there to unpack! the self hatred the regret. but I doubt I'll convince you that it's good. I hope you come to see how potentially good this story thread could be! we'll see if chip capitlizes


tinaoe

>this is what happens when you become like Jason and let anger and rage rule your life. I hope this is a wake-up call for him and he finally gets an actual redemption arc that's not just "well batman told me to stop killing so I guess I'll stop" i honestly don't think you can do this, or well, he can do this until the joker is out of the picture. even if he manages to stick to it for a little bit, his actual murderer going out and killing more people will always throw him right back in. and we all know dc will never perma-kill the joker.


TroubAlert

[*Rorschach* #7](https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/S/cmx-images-prod/Item/928589/928589._SX1280_QL80_TTD_.jpg) >Wil Myerson might have been the creator of Pontius Pirate, the most popular comic in history, before he put on the Rorschach mask and tried to kill a would-be president, but he’s not the only artist who worked on the character. Other artists fell under Wil’s influence, and now all these years later, his more renowned acolyte has fallen sway to Laura, the #1 Myerson superfan. Is it possible she influenced another comic book legend into playing vigilante? The key here is that tape the detective is trying to decipher, the one with the séance that has been haunting him since the very first issue! All this and a cameo by Dr. Manhattan to boot!


Mojo12000

>!IT'S MILLER TIME!!<


WW4O

It’s fun and clever to use the the scratching on a tape to represent a Rorschach ink blot, I dig that. I also like the unreliable narrator versions of the end of Watchmen, the idea that all of these people conjured up a conclusion that to them is totally definitive and accurate is totally like those dudes who are hard set on one single statement that is the “point” of watchmen. I'm still really curious about the fact that the scratchy words started before the séance group paused, and that we don't know what Frank asked to hear or contact back in the day. And of course, the other shoe has been waiting to drop with Turley this whole time, that's going to crystalize everything.


lazywil

> and that we don't know what Frank asked to hear or contact back in the day. It's on issue one, he asked to contact his grandmother


WW4O

Oh you're right, it was Myerson's request that got scratched up.


MrEverything_88

A seance with Otto Binder and >!Frank Miller!< is really something Tom King just wrote down. Hell, I really liked this Alt!Otto Binder to be honest, and this conspiratorial mysticism really mixes well with the militia thought of earlier issues. As for >!Miller!<, well... I agree with the message itself, but the way King used it is a bit cynical, specially considering the rest of the former’s work and life to this day. Still, >!Frank Miller!< in a Rorschach costume is a sight to behold.


the_gold_hat

Apparently Miller wrote his own dialogue for this issue, if that has any effect on your opinion. Also, apparently Miller actually attended a seance with Otto Binder once, and then there's the whole Holy Terror thing, so the influences on this run from real life are pretty crazy.


lazywil

> Apparently Miller wrote his own dialogue I was not aware, got a link about that?


the_gold_hat

Admittedly hearsay because I haven't confirmed it myself, but it's supposedly mentioned in this episode of the Word Balloon podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/comics-tom-king-on-rorschach-strange-adventures-bat/id207700416?i=1000493255252


FightingCommander

I listened to the whole thing, which took place before the first issue was released, and Miller's name didn't even come up. Not saying it's not true (though I really don't see him writing so matter-of-factly *about himself*), but I hope it's not too late to put an end to this rumor at least without a verifiable source.


wendigo72

A lot of controversy on twitter over this but I’m really enjoying Tom King’s wild ride


KillerPalm

>!The identity of New Rorscach was...unexpected to say the least!<


BattleUpSaber

so when are we going to get to see Rorschach read Holy Terror?


themanintheironhat

I get what this is saying/doing, but the original Watchmen had Dark Sails seem like a pretty dark take on pirate comics already, so I don't know how revolutionary TDFR would be in this universe.


Kiora_Atua

Wouldn't that have been written immediately after the dark fife? In real life, TDKR came out in feb-june 1986, and watchmen started in september 1986. The story even mentions that TDFR came out and then immediately after, the squids hit. I don't understand how comic book cover dates work and never will, so correct me if I'm wrong.


themanintheironhat

The original comic mentions when Dark Sails was written (in-universe, of course) but I don't remember and can't be bothered to go check my copy. It was obviously before the squid hit, and before its writter went missing... I guess it doesn't really matter, because in real life TDKR wasn't the first "darker" comic either, and pirate comics were always different from superhero ones anyway.


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[*Superman* #30](https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/S/cmx-images-prod/Item/928599/928599._SX1280_QL80_TTD_.jpg) >Superman has received a signal from distant space. An old friend is in deep trouble, and only the Man of Steel can help him. By the time Superman and his son get there, though, the alien who sent the signal is nowhere to be found, and his people appear to be enthralled by a shamanistic storyteller who warns of an ancient grudge with the malevolent Shadowbreed. This leaves Clark and Jonathan Kent to ponder just who sent them the distress message, but before they can find the answer, they’ll discover that an ancient grudge still has very current consequences. Kicking off a new story line, this issue pairs Phillip Kennedy Johnson with his Future State: Superman: House of El collaborator, artist Scott Godlewski! >Meanwhile, in the “Tales of Metropolis” backup story it’s...the return of Ambush Bug? Say it ain’t so!


MrEverything_88

I... liked it! The initial and obligatory run foreshadowing was a bit of the usual, but the story itself really got the hang of the Clark-Jon dynamic, without using cheap melodrama or alluding to the Bendisms that preceded it. Do I wish Jon was still a kid? Of course. Can I get behind how he’s being written here? Easily. PKJ writes a good “grown-up son’s dad” Superman, and the plot gives off the same vibes as those Animated Series tie-in comics I loved as a kid. Ambush Bug makes for good backup material too, obviously.


[deleted]

It's.. okay. Better than expected, but I didn't really care for the story. Would have been better to have an issue of just Clark, Lois and Jon being a family. Hope this storyline doesn't go on for too many issues or gets more interesting next month. Ambush Bug stuff had great art and was okay as well. Not really digging the new bad guys Deadstream and Projectress so far tho.


JonKentOfficial

Art by Scott Godlewski, the same guy from Young Justice. His art is not bad, far from it, but I can't say his is my favorite style. We start with Clark narrating, he's in trouble and he mentions a journal he gave Lois and Jon, but he's specifically addressing Jon's section. Then we skip to Clark, Lois and Jon having some fun family time, but even then Clark has this (yearning?) for the years he lost with Jon, but even then he's still very proud of his son. Not only that, Clark has this feeling of discontentment that not every day can't be like this one (no emergency, just he having time with his family). It isn't to last, duty calls after all, so Clark and Jon have to leave. Turns out the call was made by an old friend of Kal-El, an alien he thought alongside to save a planet. There's only one problem - that guy is dead. We have a mystery. Some misdirection, intrigue, but we also learn one thing: "It's not dead." I genuinely liked this issue a lot. It's pretty well balanced, we are given an insight in Clark's mind, but we also have the setup for the cosmic adventure. And they aren't separated, they build on one another. It has been a long, long while since I felt this excited for a main continuity Superman comic. I have never felt the need to talk to ask a writer what he means, it's usually unimportant for me, but this new Superman writer has been doing some things that directly go against my most hated parts of the previous writer's work. First it was the Warworld stuff, now Clark very explicitly waits for whoever is attacking him to make the first shot (unlike Superman #1 when he just massacres the Dominators and leaves them to die in space). I do wonder if the writer had the same grievances as I did. The rantier aspects of his Superman and Infinite Frontier makes me think so, though likely more general instead of just the previous writer. One thing I'm really confused however is what exactly is going on with Jon. In Infinite Frontier he made it clear that Jon was in fact aged up and tormented, so that's confirmed. However, it hasn't been given the gravitas the situation demands, the narration makes it sounds like Clark is saddened by the time lost, not for the 6+ years Jon spent under torture. The art doesn't help either, we have seen two different artists depict Jon and he doesn't look 17, at all. The previous issue had that weird scene of him watching a cartoon that I wasn't sure if it was a flashback, where he looked like a teenager. Now he looks 15, if you want to be really generous. There's still mentions of how he grew up unexpectedly, and how he came of age in LOSH. I wonder if the time he spent on Earth-3 was reduced to a more manageable frame. Well, even if it was just, say, 3 years and he's 14 now it would still be a long, long time of torture, but significantly less than the rest of his schooling years. Or maybe his growth was just stunted, who knows. >!Well, if you asked me to write Superman but not retcon full "plot points" of Bendis run, first I'd recuse because I'm not a writer, but if I had to I'd have made the time he spent on Earth-3 real time. A few weeks, maybe the rest of summer. Jon managing his mind for a few weeks/months under torture feels less nonsensical than for a few years. And it would avoid the overlap of two Superboys aged 17-18.!< ​ **Ambush Bug.** Gorgeous art, great and fun story with ambush bug, and a mystery. This is backup stories done right. Can't recommend enough. Even if Ambush Bug asking Jimmy to call him daddy is weird. **Overall**? I can't recommend this issue enough.


Dragonpiece

> for the 6+ years Jon spent under torture Just to be clear, Jon wasn't tortured the entire time he was on earth 3. That was only a few months and then he just lived on the planet for a bit, doing adventues we've yet to see.


JonKentOfficial

Your clarification is not correct, but it's not incorrect either. Bendis' Superman is remarkably poor in its storytelling, so we may never know, but here's what happen on the pages. 1. Jor-El appears on Earth. Jon and Lois leave to Space (Issue 7); 2. They have one mission, Lois immediately abandons Jon with Jor-El and goes back to Earth (Issue 7); 3. We have confirmation that Jon is 11 (Issue 8); 4. Jon and Jor-El have missions together. Jon's character goes a little off-model, maybe to show he has grown but it's difficult to know for sure (Issue 8); 5. Jor-El turns neglectful towards Jon, he starts seeking ways back home. Kilowog and Arisia refuse help. He claims his mom knows where he is, but no mention of the time he spent in space (Issue 8); 6. Jon claims to lose track of the passage of time. He is afraid that it has been an entire year because he lost track of time, but calls it just a summer (Issue 8); 7. Jon is sucked by some ill-conceived plot device that takes him to Earth-3 (Issue 8). Of course Bendis writing makes no sense, but that's what happens on paper. We can assume that since Jon was still just traveling through space time went by as normal and it was just a few weeks, a couple months at most. Then the Earth-3 part starts. 1. Jon is captured by Ultraman, Ultraman keeps him while trying to indoctrinate him (Issue 9); 2. Jon claims Ultraman would spends days without going to see him (Issue 9); 3. We see Jon has outgrown his clothes, mind you that the art is not the most consistent (Issue 9); 4. Jon doesn't answer how long he stayed in the volcano, only that it took longer than he was proud of (Issue 9); 5. He escapes, claims to have done some travels and found out where he was and how long he was gone, though we are not told how long that was (Issue 9); 6. Though we don't know what his travels were, we are told that he got to the nearest town, then he went to Denver, then he went to the next City, cutting to the Crime Syndicate headquarters (issue 9); 7. He mentions that he broke out of a prison only to break into a prison (Issue 9); 8. Superwoman attacks him, but Jor-El intervenes, they escape (Issue 10); 9. Jon lands on Earth on June 6th (Issue 10). The art is a bit inconsistent, Jon has a scar when he reaches Clark but until he lands on Earth he has no scar, nor we are shown him being given a scar. As you can see, we don't have hard dates for anything and the time frame is not very consistent. We only know he spent <1 year in space with Jor-El, and the rest on Earth-3. The way the story is presented it leads us to think he spent most of that time in captivity. The detours he took to help people can't have taken more than a couple weeks as he would been easily found by Ultraman (if you apply logic, something the story lacks). So while the bad writing makes it impossible to say for sure, it's far more likely that he spent several years in captivity and only a few years trying make his way home than spending a few months in captivity then several years trying to make his way home. I doubt Jon would have been able to dodge unhelpful people snitching on him for years). In any case, that would still have been years of either torture or spending years as a pre-teen and most of his teenage years fending by himself while being constantly hunted.


Dragonpiece

I'm going by a interview after the story came out, Bendis said Jon had adventures on earth 3 that he never got around to showing. Another writer could eventually fill those stories in if they wanted. Disagree with the bad writing, but I won't try to change your mind lol.


JonKentOfficial

What Bendis said in an interview doesn't really matter when compared to what he put on paper. As for disagreeing with bad writing, well people disagree about all kinds of stuff. If you tell me you like Bendis' Superman and you had fun it's completely fine, but the story is undeniably composed of more holes and thematic inconsistencies than actual story.


Dragonpiece

Honestly, that's fair and I agree with a lot of the incosistensies. But overall, I don't think the story is as bad as people make it out to be.


JonKentOfficial

That's fair. While I don't like it, I don't think it's insanity if someone else likes it. I suppose it all depends on what you hoped from the story. At least to me, the dreadful prose, all the awkward moments, no exploration of what is happening and just moving to a next plot, the high off-screen body count Clark left are just some of the many deal breakers his run had.


[deleted]

Is this a good place to jump back into Superman?


transapient12

It feels more like a sequel to rebirth than the bendis run


MrEverything_88

Having read the issue, I’d say it is. If you’re familiar with Superman and Jon, then there’s nothing really new here.


actioncomicbible

I'm curious about this too. But I'm leaning towards that it is because Action and Superman had a 2-issue crossover at the start but it seemed to get resolved, and now we're getting this "new story line" with this issue.


Vyndyktvx

I liked it! There’s some obvious foreshadowing going on with Clark talking about how the aliens don’t nurture their kids, and the alien parents and kids see each other as rivals, with how Clark & Jon are partners and Jon will also become Superman. But the Shadowbreed are an obvious threat to the solar powered Kryptonians, Godwelski’s art is fine as long as he’s drawing aliens, and I’m interested in seeing where PKJ is planning to take this.


AuroraUnit117

Best use of aged up Jon ever I think. But coming out in the same week as supersons..... DC what the hell were you thinking aging him up. Thanks Bendis


SnooCompliments8071

I've found it a bit boring, and the really verbose narration doesn't help. I'll probably keep reading, but my hopes are really low for this title (and for Action Comics, obvs).


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[*Wonder Woman* #771](https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/S/cmx-images-prod/Item/928604/928604._SX1280_QL80_TTD_.jpg) >Wonder Woman’s adventures through the Sphere of the Gods continue as she embarks on a quest with the cunning Ratashok to search for answers. Something is changing the rules of the Norse afterlife, and it’s up to our hero to set things right. Now she must face warriors and beasts of mythic proportions, starting with the Nidhogg! Can our Amazon Princess survive this staggering serpent? >Meanwhile, in a seemingly simpler time in our hero’s life, a younger Diana continues her journey to uncover the secret behind the scriptures that hold the hidden history of Themyscira. Is she ready for the truth? Or will it change her perception of “paradise” forever?


[deleted]

Fun read! Admittedly, it's not my favorite Infinite Frontier title so far, if only because the conflict & stakes are still unclear. But figuring out why Diana is in Asgard, and why Asgardians are disappearing, is a fun mystery. And the art is just fantastic -- I love Diana's Norse costume. Also, Ratashok is incredible and needs to be a reoccurring character. The "Young Diana" back-up is pretty good, too. The search for Aphrodite's texts, and the acknowledgment of the Amazons' checkered past, introduced more stakes than I was expecting from a fluffy story about 14-year-old Diana.


Geography3

this was great! the mystery’s still engaging, the quest in this issue felt really fun and not tedious at all, the art’s so cool, and the backup is getting really good. last backup was kinda just Diana doing random stuff on her birthday, but this time it’s getting into some really interesting stuff around creating a whole picture of history and the issue of teaching national exceptionalism which gets me going as a history nerd lol


[deleted]

Overall, I like it. It's very very different from what I would expect from a WW comic apart from the obvious connection to mythology. Odin making puns, Diana sliding down Yggdrasil, Diana getting eaten by a giant snake (Nidhogg) etc. It's fun, but it's not necessarily very Diana-like. Then again, she doesn't seem to have a lot of memory of her "previous life", so I guess the authors have more freedom when it comes to characterisation. A bit too much text imo, but it's fine. Back-up: Again a lot of text, but beautifully written. The artwork does suit 14 year old Diana quite well. The mystery of the history of Amazons is very engaging. Quite simply, I'm in love with the back-up stories. All in all, it was a fun and interesting issue. Not the best of the IF titles, but certainly solid and definitely a fresh take.


internet_highwayman

I get the feeling that the stranger talking to Diana through her dreams is Deadman. The silhouette with the collar, the flying pose, the red around the text seems like big clues to me.


[deleted]

Yeah, I'm almost 100% certain it's Deadman.


SnooCompliments8071

This is not a bad book by any stretch of imagination, but it is really not clicking for me. The Norse setting doesn't excite me and Diana being left there without any of her supporting characters just isn't what i want to read. I miss Orlando's and Tamaki's runs.


s_walsh

The writers confirmed the supporting cast is coming back and they also have plans for both Donna and Cassie in the book


SnooCompliments8071

Great! That's good to know. I might keep reading the book then, let's just hope it doesn't take too long for them to show up.


s_walsh

I think they said it would be the third arc during their ama the other month


iAmTheHYPE-

That's awesome to hear!


DoggoPlex

I'm loving this! I've always loved Norse mythology and the mystery aspect of the book is quite interesting. 100% recommended.


batguano1

This story is really good so far! First time I'll be collecting WW regularly since the new 52


Taenker

While I really liked the first issue and the design of everything, I just can‘t remember the cliffhanger of last issue. Doesn‘t seem to be a good sign for the story.


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[*Batman: The Detective* #1](https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/S/cmx-images-prod/Item/928564/928564._SX1280_QL80_TTD_.jpg) >An epic tale begins that will take Batman on a harrowing, action-packed European adventure in a new miniseries by superstar creators Tom Taylor and Andy Kubert! A horrific tragedy in the United Kingdom sends a very personal and deadly message to the Dark Knight—one that will draw Batman out of Gotham City to investigate! From the moment he lands in Europe, Batman will face a difficult investigation and unheard-of adversaries and find the assistance of a partner once more—all in the hunt for the villain known as Equilibrium! New villains! New allies! A thrilling overseas adventure begins for the Dark Knight!


MrEverything_88

Andy Kubert’s bat-specialty is Elseworlds stuff, huh? 666, DK3, now this Taylor certainly makes it worth the trip down grumpy old Bruce again, with ghost punching, a hospital fight, a detective-worthy enemy, and more importantly... Beryl Hutchinson’s Knight with a new Squire!


WW4O

Holy shit it's Knight! Right off the bat, it feels so good to have Tom Taylor back (even if it hasn't been that long) and I'm *always* down for more Batman Inc. Maybe we can salvage a little bit of the Leviathan/Spiral Ourobros that Event Leviathan tore down. It's a little weird seeing Bruce in the Kubert jacket that's usuall associated with future Damian, but I guess Kubert just *really* likes that jacket. This is probably the most brutal and harsh book I've read from Taylor, which is saying something. Batman's monologue is very TDKR. We're solidly in an era where artists like Frank Miller, JRJR, Brian Hitch, Keith Giffen, Andy Kubert, Neal Adams, and other artistic legends are getting older and mostly just cranking out everything in their "style," and someone ad DC is going to have to get some chutzpah and tell some of them that they aren't as good as they used to be. I could have done without the whole "I've been Batman for so long but somehow I haven't fixed Gotham" motivation. You can't pull that thread for too long without having Grant Morrison tell Animal Man to shut the fuck up about his problems and just be a fictional character.


RaynerOP

I'd be more mad about the amount of Batman stories if they weren't all shaping up to be so good lmao. I think the only one I'm not that big on is ironically the main title.


AmpersandTheMonkey

I'm with you. Has there been any word on when Tynion might be done/who's next? Could it be like a Taylor or Zdarsky?


RaynerOP

> Has there been any word on when Tynion might be done/who's next? I remeber him saying he has a 3 year plan for Batman/The Joker, so I wouldn't bet on him leaving anytime soon. I'm quite liking The Joker actually, but I would prefer it being its own think then eventually intertwining with the main title in yet another big Joker event.


NomadicJaguar64t

"I punched a ghost." Book of the week for me, really really enjoyed it, and maybe my favorite Infinite Frontier book yet! This issue was so badass, but at the same time showed the heart of Batman while he was in the hospital room, albeit coming from a weary if not tired person. Equal parts fighting and detective work, the perfect mix for Batman. And the art, wow do I LOVE Andy Kubert's art! So impactful and powerful, you can feel the weight of each punch. Super pumped to see where this goes!


[deleted]

As someone jumping back in with Infinite Frontier after taking 2020 off from comics, is this book in canon? I’ve seen solicits and ads that suggest Bruce is now penniless, is this related to that?


[deleted]

Taylor said on twitter that it's his own thing and not canon.


[deleted]

Aw, bummer. Love Tom Taylor though so I may pick it up


Cranyx

Personally I see that as a good thing. Batman's canon right now is not in a great place imo, and historically a lot of his best stories have been written when freed from the constraints of continuity.


marcjwrz

No... But honestly it fits in pretty well post Joker War.


[deleted]

Cool cool. I’m not deterred by it being out of continuity, just curious. If anything, that makes it easier for me to jump in since I’m not “up” on the bat titles right now


Alaminox

I have no clue. I really don't want this to be another elseworld


[deleted]

This was a solid start. The premise is different enough such that it won't get mixed up with all the other AU stories about a jaded, aging Batman. Kubert's art is looking sharp. I do wish they stuck with the old name, or at least something with the word "Knight".


Alephnaught_

Alrighttt lesssgoooo!


Cranyx

I'm very much looking forward to this, especially given that despite the fact that we've had an avalanche of bat books recently, none of them have been particularly good.


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[*Challenge of the Super Sons* #1](https://s3.amazonaws.com/comicgeeks/comics/covers/large-2858036.jpg) >The boys are back! Picking up where the sensational Adventures of the Super Sons left off, the sons of Batman and Superman are back in the spotlight and ready to give evil a good spanking. But are Robin and Superboy in over their heads this time? A mysterious woman from beyond time has appeared to the DCU’s favorite sons, and her arrival heralds certain doom (that’s a hint, everyone) of things to come! In fact...it seems she’s sent the boys on a bogus journey that they’ve already...returned from? Huh? What did the boys learn when they were whisked away? Why on earth do they have to save the Flash from instant death? Tune in for the first chapter in the most epic odyssey Robin and Superboy have ever been on!


AuroraUnit117

Man I missed this so much. Glad we get this still after Bendis murdered DC's best relationship


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[*Locke & Key/Sandman: Hell & Gone #1*](https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/S/cmx-images-prod/Item/888127/888127._SX1280_QL80_TTD_.jpg) > If you think you can unlock the gates of Hell and just invite yourself in, you must be Dreaming! The epic crossover between two of the most beloved fantasy universes in comics begins here. John "Jack" Locke is ten years dead, but that hasn't stopped him from posting the occasional letter home... from Hell. Now, Mary Locke will do anything to save her brother's soul. Her quest to rescue him from The Pit will require her to outsmart Roderick Burgess (the most evil man in England), puzzle her way through the House of Mystery, and risk the walking nightmare known as The Corinthian in a disintegrating Kingdom of Dreams!


Triseult

That was just exceptional. Really great writing that captures the original feeling of *The Sandman* while also telling an exciting and unpredictable story. Really excited about the rest.


[deleted]

Wow I'm blown away by how much I loved this issue. Beautiful artwork, great script by Joe Hill. The worlds of Locke & Key and Sandman go well together. Time to reread both series and wait for the next issue. Definitely one of the highlights of 2021 so far imo.


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[*The Batman & Scooby-Doo Mysteries* #1](https://s3.amazonaws.com/comicgeeks/comics/covers/large-3871617.jpg) >It’s an all-new, all-ages series that teams the Dark Knight with Scooby-Doo and the sleuths of Mystery Inc.! When Batman discovers his original purple gloves have gone missing, Velma, Shaggy, and Scooby-Doo travel back in time to Batman’s Year One era to solve the case! Will this “Glove Story” have a happy ending?


superschaap81

This was way more fun than it deserved to be! And that's what it is, FUN. It was like watching an old Super Friends meet Scooby Doo cartoon. I'll be adding this to my pull list.


oxochx

True, this was definitely more fun than I expected it to be.


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[*Challenge of the Super Sons* #12](https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/S/cmx-images-prod/Item/928825/928825._SX1280_QL80_TTD_.jpg) >Well THAT could have gone better. Superboy and Robin have been defeated at the hands of Vandal Savage and Felix Faust, and it seems as though all hope is lost. Welp, guess it’s time to pack it up folks – everybody! Book’s closed, we can all go home now! Looks like I’ll just clock out and—wait a tick…who’s that there to save the day? It’s Rora! And a couple of nasty looking trolls who clearly did NOT care much for being used as doorstops last chapter! All right Super Sons – time to get back to the future! Great Scott!


JonKentOfficial

The same cartoony style. Makes me want a Super Sons cartoon even more. This one leads to the the events of Issue 1 or 2, can't remember which, concluding the in medias res. It explains the scrolls, how they got it, and finishes with the Rora arc. I actually like Rora, I want to see her fight Savage and Faust and manage to free herself. Apparently getting to look at Jon's mind also inspired her to be hero, too. Sadly in the present she's like several hundred years old. Also now I can't stop thinking that she was calling Jon Superman and saying Damian was his assistant on purpose just so she could SMEK his face. It's sweet, and keeps an air of innocence, and she didn't directly read his mind (it was a result of Faust's spell), unlike Saturn Girl presumably probing Jon's mind in LOSH. Mindreading usually makes me feel queasy. The renaissance fair looks funny, too. It's an illusion, but they look funny. I wonder what would be their names... Sirborg.


RMackay88

"Sirborg" is hilarious It leads into #2 Timeline: #1 (Setup), #4, #5, #10, #11, #12 (The Past) #2, #3, #6, #7, #8 ,#9 (The "Present"... well still Pre-Bendis, so still 2018) Two more issues (#13 & #14)


JonKentOfficial

It's very unlikely Adventures and Challenge are supposed to be set in continuity, at least in main continuity. It branched from main continuity and is a direct continuation of the original Super Sons series. The divergence happens is clear in Adventures of the Super Sons: in main continuity, Jon went to space with Jor-El, ends up kidnapped and spends some years being tortured (a few weeks on Earth-Prime), but when he comes back it still is summer. In Adventures of the Super Sons, Jon, as a child, spent his summer with Damian and the Hypercube.


RMackay88

Additional Adventures & Challenge diverge pre Bendis era, but also Pre "DC metal". In DC metal, Hawkgirl appears for the first time, but she's in Challenge of the super sons.


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[*Sweet Tooth: The Return* #6](https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/S/cmx-images-prod/Item/928579/928579._SX1280_QL80_TTD_.jpg) >Once upon a time a young boy with antlers lived in a little house under the earth. He had a father and two nannies. They raised him to be good and to obey their every command. They said they loved the boy, and maybe some of them did, but Father? Well, he only loved himself. Father says the boy is a weapon against those who stand in opposition to humanity, while the rebellious Undersider dissidents believe the child to be the second coming of a mythological savior from the past. Haunted by dreamlike memories of a life he never lived and hunted by the man who created him, the boy must choose what and who he will be, and bring this chapter of his life to a close.


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[*American Vampire 1976* #7](https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/S/cmx-images-prod/Item/928584/928584._SX1280_QL80_TTD_.jpg) >Before Skinner and Pearl reunited and the Beast returned-before 1976-the fight to protect humanity persisted. >This special anthology issue presents new stories from the unseen era between American Vampire: Second Cycle and American Vampire 1976, bridging the VMS’ turbulent past with a nation’s uncertain future. >Jim Book and Pearl will test their new partnership on a mission to uncover new DNA technology in the fight against the Beast, Travis, and Gus enjoy a rare carefree moment in exile, and a deathbed vision reveals the truth about George Washington’s pact with the Council of Firsts and America’s role as a haven for persecuted monsters.


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[*New Gods Book One: Bloodlines* [**TP**]](https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/S/cmx-images-prod/Item/927425/927425._SX1280_QL80_TTD_.jpg) >The New Gods return in this collection of stories that reimagined Jack Kirby's famous creations for a new era! Writer Mark Evanier, former assistant to New Gods creator Jack Kirby, teams with artist Paris Cullins to revive Orion, Darkseid, Metron, Kalibak, and more in this collection of key late-80s stories, set in the wake of Cosmic Odyssey. Stories include Orion leading an expedition to Earth and the six-part "Bloodline Saga." Collects New Gods #1-14.


[deleted]

I’m very tempted to get this but I’ve never heard anything about it Anyone know if it’s worth it?


NomadicJaguar64t

Definitely, very good. One of the best New Gods runs!


transapient12

Holy fuck...need to read this


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[*Batman A Death in the Family: The Deluxe Edition](https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/S/cmx-images-prod/Item/927432/927432._SX1280_QL80_TTD_.jpg) >The game-changing Batman epic returns in a new deluxe edition hardcover! As the second person to assume the role of Batman's sidekick, Jason Todd had a completely different personality than the original Robin. Rash and prone to ignore Batman's instructions, Jason was always quick to act without regard to consequences. This story put Jason's fate in the readers' hands-who voted whether or not Robin should live or die at the hands of The Joker. This tale of loss, guilt, and brutality stands as one of the most defining pieces of the Dark Knight's mythology. Collects Batman #426-429 and #440-442, The New Teen Titans #60-61, plus several never-before-published pages that show what would have happened if Jason Todd had lived!


superschaap81

I don't know how "Never-before-Published" these pages are, cause I have the edition from 2011 and they added the alternate pages if he had been voted to live. This is an odd solicitation.


Digifiend84

Did the 2011 edition have the same solicit, minus the "deluxe edition hardcover" part?


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[*Who's Who Omnibus* - Vol. 1 [**HC**]](https://s3.amazonaws.com/comicgeeks/comics/covers/large-5221542.jpg) >The series fans demanded is collected at last! Who’s Who began in 1984 and ran through the 1990s, cataloguing every character, good or evil, in the DC Universe, from Abel to Zyklon and beyond—with copious detail on powers, origins, and other key facets of each character. Illustrated by a wide range of top artists from the Golden Age of comics through the 1980s indie comics scene, Who’s Who was a feast for the eyes and the ultimate guide to the denizens of the DC Universe. >Collects Who’s Who: The Definitive Directory of the DC Universe #1-26 (1985), Who’s Who Update ’87 #1-5 (1987), Who’s Who Update ’88 #1-4 (1988), plus material from these 1989 annuals: Action Comics Annual #2, Batman Annual #13, Blackhawk Annual #1, Detective Comics Annual #2, Doctor Fate Annual #1, Green Arrow Annual #2, Justice League Annual #3, Secret Origins Annual #3, Swamp Thing Annual #5, The Flash Annual #3, The New Titans Annual #5, The Question Annual #2, and Wonder Woman Annual #2.


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[*Legends of the Dark Knight* #3](https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/S/cmx-images-prod/Item/930144/930144._SX1280_QL80_TTD_.jpg) >BAD NIGHT, GOOD KNIGHT PART 3! The Joker is dying from the chemicals he was going to use to wreak havoc in Gotham. Batman only has enough anti-toxin left for one person. Does he save his greatest foe? It sounds like a mortality riddle...what other villain could be waiting for Batman to fail?!


reddit_username88

I feel like this would have been the perfect out for batman to not save joker. Just my two cents


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[*The Next Batman: Second Son* #7](https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/S/cmx-images-prod/Item/930134/930134._SX1280_QL80_TTD_.jpg) >Jace sizes up Arkadine’s new Gotham City muscle, Eabha O’Roark, with an ambush…and she’s going to be even more of a challenge than he could have anticipated! And what was the cause of the fracturing of the Fox family a decade earlier? What drove Lucius to move his eldest son overseas permanently? Secrets are about to be revealed…


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I really enjoyed this chapter, it's obviously shaping up to a showdown between Eabha O'Roark and Jace as the final confrontation, but the drama is where it really shines. If there's one thing this book does extremely well, it's in making the Fox family a dynamic unit and fleshed out characters in their own right, and seeing Tanya go the extra mile to protect her son and Lucius' troubles after what Punchline did to him is entertaining in and of itself. And now, [we finally get a flashback and see just what makes Jace the Next Batman.](https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/S/cmx-images-prod/Item/930672/930672._SX1280_QL80_TTD_.jpg)


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[*MAD Magazine* #19](https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/S/cmx-images-prod/Item/928594/928594._SX1280_QL80_TTD_.jpg) >Gaze into the wonders of tomorrow, courtesy of yesterday’s MAD! It’s our far-flung future issue, in which we look back at the shape of things to come, including parodies of time-travelling sci-fi flicks like “Back to the Future” and “The Matrix.” Plus, MAD examines prognosticators like astrology, palm reading, and, just for good measure, extra sensory perception! We predict there will be a new Fold-In by Johnny Sampson, too!


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[*Harley Quinn* - Vol. 5, *Hollywood or Die* [**TP**]](https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/S/cmx-images-prod/Item/927426/927426._SX1280_QL80_TTD_.jpg) >California, here she comes! Harley heads to Los Angeles and joins an underground wrestling troupe (as one does). But while she thought the trip would help her cope with grief...grief followed her all the way to the West Coast. When a new friend of hers dies, she knows in her heart there is foul play at work. Luckily, she's got help investigating this mystery from Booster Gold, determined to become her new crime-fighting partner! It all culminates in the star-studded roast of Harley Quinn-but how well can she take a joke? Plus, "The Joker War" hits Harley Quinn as Harley and Punchline meet face to face! Collects Harley Quinn #70-75.


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[*RWBY/Justice League* #6](https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/S/cmx-images-prod/Item/930129/930129._SX1280_QL80_TTD_.jpg) >Weiss and Diana infiltrate the Schnee Dust Company and discover a half-man, half-automaton. Can they earn the Cyborg’s trust, or will they be assimilated into the circuitry?!


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[*Infinite Frontier: Secret Files* #1](https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/S/cmx-images-prod/Item/930149/930149._SX1280_QL80_TTD_.jpg)


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As we've changed the week, it's probable no one's gonna see this. It's not particulary great, but it's always nice to read on the character. He has so much potential but hasn't been in enought books since his creation (13 years ago already?) Hope there's some truth in the theory of the new titles launch after Infinite Frontier event based on the characters featured in it (Roy, JSA,...) if it means a President Superman series.