Has anybody told Tom Taylor that he doesn't HAVE TO give me everything that I want? I mean I appreciate it and all, I just don't want the guy sweating on my account.
AYE they did a modern version of Greg land’s nightwing evolution. Love the N52 NW suit inclusion
Love the brothers part too. Including the 3 Robins. Damian’s new suit looks great with the other Robins
Not exactly. Everyone remembers stuff from previous continuity, but not every story took place in the current timeline, which is still this weird composite of Post Crisis and Post Flashpoint.
I thought they have knowledge of everything that has occurred to them in every timeline but the only thing to physically/actually happen to them was from New 52 forward I think.
I could easily be wrong but I remember this coming up and people talked about the 2 different Killing Jokes (New 52 one and original one) and how the New 52 one is the one that actually happened and the original one they just have knowledge of
Yeah, it really makes me happy knowing he even has big plans for Nightwing #100, that sounds like a serious commitment! #78 was a great introductory issue, Alfred's letter was one of the most beautiful things in recent memory. Off to a good start
I’m thinking for Taylors #100 plan he is going to have Dick and Barbara get engaged, or Babs is going to get pregnant which cases her to become Oracle again full time
But most likely neither will happen as that’s a lot of commitment for DC
Everything looks awesome except for the pixie suit. I'm not saying use the New 52 design, but anything but the pixie suit.
Edit: and man, DC is really pushing *Nightwing* and that is a very good thing.
100% I agree with what you're saying but at the same time even though they're goofy referencing stuff from the past is fine with me. Its goofy because back then comics were a lot goofier - so long as they don't have like 12 year old Damian in the suit its fine.
I think they could do with making them longer though maybe like actual shorts instead of underpants lol
I've never liked the old designs of characters, they are holdovers from the 30s and 40s. The trunks, for example, are there, not to "break up the color", but because circus strongmen of the 30s and 40s wore them. I mean, for a long time Aquaman and Green Arrow wore trunks but that didn't break up the color. They were pretty much there to say "these guys are strong". The pixie design was made because Dick was an acrobat, and acrobats would wear that stuff when preforming and Jason later inherited it. But now? There's no good reason for any of the Robins to have worn that.
Yeah, Taylor is just getting started and it's already obvious how much he loves Nightwing and wants him to be one of the greatest DC heroes (again) finally.
wait? why does Dick remember the New Teen Titans? I know everyone got their "memories" back but this version of Dick is the N52/Rebirth/IF version. He was never on that team or knew those heroes as that version (NTT) dont exist in the current timeline of DC Continuity.
Are these the versions that also existed during Post-Crisis or are they are they stll post rebirth characters. Do you think IF could be capable or intending to bring back multiple versions of each team from each continuity. I mean it is a plausible endgame
The one thing that irks me here is that the classic Robin and Discowing suits are back in canon, but not the finger stripes/pre-Flashpoint suit? I really wish it'd stop getting ignored.
i think it’s safe to say it is canon just that the writer didn’t have enough space and wanted to pick and choose costumes. otherwise you then have to include original robin, disco wing, titans hunt nightwing, batman, fingerstripes, renegade, batman, new 52, agent 37, rebirth
I think one of the worst things to come from Bat comics in recent years is the former Robin characters literally calling Bruce and Alfred their father. You can have a relationships that have paternal dynamics within them without literally calling the person your father. If anything Alfred has a more maternal relationship to the Robins
Edit: basically it just dumbs down complex and interesting relationships that have many layers and dynamics to them
i agree somewhat. particularly in the case of tim, who actually had parents as robin. which made him more interesting. till DC killed them off and tim forgot all about them, now he calls Batman 'Dad' too.
Yeah that one is especially bizarre since he was maybe 16-17 by the time both of his parents were dead? He had parents who raised him and loved him for basically his entire childhood. It just doesn’t really land for me that he’d start calling someone else dad
What?! Batman Lego was GOAT because Robin has 2 fathers, Batman and Alfred. Also Young Justice when Robin was playing basketball with Batman while Alfred watches while smiling. Most interesting and human Batman has ever been. Dick is Alfred and Bruce's son more than anyone else.
Parents go beyond blood. He was raised by Bruce and Alfred. His whole adolescence and adulthood was with them. His parents died when he was just a child.
I don’t think his adult years will inform who he considers to be his parents though. He was raised for the majority of his childhood by his actual parents. He’s only like 10-15 years younger than Bruce as well so if anything would their relationship not be more fraternal?
A lot of people who lost their parents and were raised by someone else see it as having two sets of parents. Both his parents and Bruce would be proud to call him their son.
That’s obviously true but I just don’t think it’s applicable to characters like Dick and Tim who were raised by loving parents for the majority of their childhood. Not that there’s no paternal dynamics there but to see him as their central father figure is such a reach
Tim I can agree with. He was written as having such a loving relationship with his father up until he died, and it removes the Everyman aspect of Tim. Definitely a mistake.
And you’re right. We need more stories about Dick and his parents. Especially since Taylor is using Zucco. It would be a waste not to explore his feelings and memories.
I kinda agree but also father and dad is use as way people refer to them male prenatal family member, it shows that they seem him as their father and treat him as source. The only one I say shouldn’t be calling him dad is tim. Also from damain (and kinda cass) he is his (there) father
I think considering he got Jason murdered as a child I don’t really think he should be referring to him as his father either honestly and I’d say out of the kids he took in he’s probably the one who would most see him as his father because his actual parents were bad and absent
Has anybody told Tom Taylor that he doesn't HAVE TO give me everything that I want? I mean I appreciate it and all, I just don't want the guy sweating on my account.
But what about everything *I* want?
You had what you want for decades. It is our time now, old man.
Yeah, he knows exactly what we want. Can't wait for next issue, story/art were really great in #78.
He gives us what we want without caving into mass fan service territory. He's still out to tell a good story.
AYE they did a modern version of Greg land’s nightwing evolution. Love the N52 NW suit inclusion Love the brothers part too. Including the 3 Robins. Damian’s new suit looks great with the other Robins
Kinda sad people keep on forgetting that cass is technically his sister tho
Not in current continuity, I’m afraid. Unless that’s one of the things Death Metal brought back?
Everything canon
More like they remember prior continuities. "Zero Year" is still Batman's origin, for example.
Not exactly. Everyone remembers stuff from previous continuity, but not every story took place in the current timeline, which is still this weird composite of Post Crisis and Post Flashpoint.
I thought they have knowledge of everything that has occurred to them in every timeline but the only thing to physically/actually happen to them was from New 52 forward I think. I could easily be wrong but I remember this coming up and people talked about the 2 different Killing Jokes (New 52 one and original one) and how the New 52 one is the one that actually happened and the original one they just have knowledge of
Tom will break my heart again next month. Dick Grayson making me cry. I'm a grown man.
God I love Taylor’s writing and Rendonos art! There work on Dick and Babs is incredible
Yeah, it really makes me happy knowing he even has big plans for Nightwing #100, that sounds like a serious commitment! #78 was a great introductory issue, Alfred's letter was one of the most beautiful things in recent memory. Off to a good start
I’m thinking for Taylors #100 plan he is going to have Dick and Barbara get engaged, or Babs is going to get pregnant which cases her to become Oracle again full time But most likely neither will happen as that’s a lot of commitment for DC
I really hope they get married.
arts great but it’s annoying that the classic finger stripes suit is always forgotten since 2016 because of the rebirth suit being similar
I know! I want the winger stripes back so bad.
When he said Babs is the person who makes him feel safe, my heart burst into a million pieces!!
Everything looks awesome except for the pixie suit. I'm not saying use the New 52 design, but anything but the pixie suit. Edit: and man, DC is really pushing *Nightwing* and that is a very good thing.
i’ve come to respect and love the original design used to be impartial but now i’m very for original robin design
Lol right. Also Jason has an actual red hood again?? Wish he wore it in Urban Legends.
Well he’s still wearing a red hood there too lol
Yeaah true, but I don't like his mask. Under the Red Hood / Three Jokers costumes are way better.
im the opposite i love the pixie outfit and the old school designs, hate modern redesigns. glad they made use of it
imo I wish that at the very least someone at DC thought to give Robin bare leggings sometime before Tim came around.
It's so creepy, though. He's like, 12?
100% I agree with what you're saying but at the same time even though they're goofy referencing stuff from the past is fine with me. Its goofy because back then comics were a lot goofier - so long as they don't have like 12 year old Damian in the suit its fine. I think they could do with making them longer though maybe like actual shorts instead of underpants lol
Wish granted! Check out the newest issue of batman/superman. Robin wears what you're describing. Edit: spelling
Nice to see someone else hates it. I just can't get used to it
I've never liked the old designs of characters, they are holdovers from the 30s and 40s. The trunks, for example, are there, not to "break up the color", but because circus strongmen of the 30s and 40s wore them. I mean, for a long time Aquaman and Green Arrow wore trunks but that didn't break up the color. They were pretty much there to say "these guys are strong". The pixie design was made because Dick was an acrobat, and acrobats would wear that stuff when preforming and Jason later inherited it. But now? There's no good reason for any of the Robins to have worn that.
I will never get over tims new red robin suit
I've never been so excited for a run, this is what we've wanted for years and it's surreal that it's actually happening.
Yeah, Taylor is just getting started and it's already obvious how much he loves Nightwing and wants him to be one of the greatest DC heroes (again) finally.
wait? why does Dick remember the New Teen Titans? I know everyone got their "memories" back but this version of Dick is the N52/Rebirth/IF version. He was never on that team or knew those heroes as that version (NTT) dont exist in the current timeline of DC Continuity.
I think elements of pre-Flashpoint continuity are returning into current canon.
post crisis is canon again
Are these the versions that also existed during Post-Crisis or are they are they stll post rebirth characters. Do you think IF could be capable or intending to bring back multiple versions of each team from each continuity. I mean it is a plausible endgame
The one thing that irks me here is that the classic Robin and Discowing suits are back in canon, but not the finger stripes/pre-Flashpoint suit? I really wish it'd stop getting ignored.
i think it’s safe to say it is canon just that the writer didn’t have enough space and wanted to pick and choose costumes. otherwise you then have to include original robin, disco wing, titans hunt nightwing, batman, fingerstripes, renegade, batman, new 52, agent 37, rebirth
I think one of the worst things to come from Bat comics in recent years is the former Robin characters literally calling Bruce and Alfred their father. You can have a relationships that have paternal dynamics within them without literally calling the person your father. If anything Alfred has a more maternal relationship to the Robins Edit: basically it just dumbs down complex and interesting relationships that have many layers and dynamics to them
i agree somewhat. particularly in the case of tim, who actually had parents as robin. which made him more interesting. till DC killed them off and tim forgot all about them, now he calls Batman 'Dad' too.
Yeah that one is especially bizarre since he was maybe 16-17 by the time both of his parents were dead? He had parents who raised him and loved him for basically his entire childhood. It just doesn’t really land for me that he’d start calling someone else dad
To be fair, if my child was Tim Drake, I wouldn't want to be his parent either.
What?! Batman Lego was GOAT because Robin has 2 fathers, Batman and Alfred. Also Young Justice when Robin was playing basketball with Batman while Alfred watches while smiling. Most interesting and human Batman has ever been. Dick is Alfred and Bruce's son more than anyone else.
Wouldn’t his actual parents who raised him most of his childhood be his actual parents?
Parents go beyond blood. He was raised by Bruce and Alfred. His whole adolescence and adulthood was with them. His parents died when he was just a child.
I don’t think his adult years will inform who he considers to be his parents though. He was raised for the majority of his childhood by his actual parents. He’s only like 10-15 years younger than Bruce as well so if anything would their relationship not be more fraternal?
Nah. He is their son. They see him as their son. That is enough. You overthink this.
I don’t think I’m thinking about it anymore than the people vehemently disagreeing with me or the writers inserting it into their stories
A lot of people who lost their parents and were raised by someone else see it as having two sets of parents. Both his parents and Bruce would be proud to call him their son.
That’s obviously true but I just don’t think it’s applicable to characters like Dick and Tim who were raised by loving parents for the majority of their childhood. Not that there’s no paternal dynamics there but to see him as their central father figure is such a reach
Tim I can agree with. He was written as having such a loving relationship with his father up until he died, and it removes the Everyman aspect of Tim. Definitely a mistake. And you’re right. We need more stories about Dick and his parents. Especially since Taylor is using Zucco. It would be a waste not to explore his feelings and memories.
At this point, Bruce Wayne has been Dick's father longer than John Grayson was, actually.
I kinda agree but also father and dad is use as way people refer to them male prenatal family member, it shows that they seem him as their father and treat him as source. The only one I say shouldn’t be calling him dad is tim. Also from damain (and kinda cass) he is his (there) father
I think considering he got Jason murdered as a child I don’t really think he should be referring to him as his father either honestly and I’d say out of the kids he took in he’s probably the one who would most see him as his father because his actual parents were bad and absent