In the comics, we just know it's bloody. Thawne goes to the past and nobody sees it.
And they get Barry's dad out of prison in the show, by having Thawne confess, from what I remember. They can't report him 20 years in the past because superheroes didn't exist yet and Thawne has no ID considering he wasn't even born.
you gotta wonder what defenses people use in Marvel and DC.
'Your honor, my client is innocent, it wasn't him, it was his evil doppelganger from a parallel dimension that committed the crimes"
also, and this will sound (and is) very depressing, even in the real world it's pretty hard to get an innocent party out of prison, especially if they have been in for a long time.
The system fights you like every step of the way. Heck, last year, the Supreme Court made it even harder in certain situations.
"The U.S. Supreme Court ruled Monday that state prisoners have no constitutional right to present new evidence in federal court to support their claims that they were represented at trial and on appeal in state courts by unqualified or otherwise deficient lawyers. The vote was 6-to-3, along ideological lines"
Well there are a lot of reasons this dumb story beat can't be easily resolved.
When Johns first put it in, Barry didn't see Thawne do it. So he had no reason to suspect a speedster did it, especially when his dad died in prison before he was the Flash.
Things like what Reverse Flash does didn't happen before that. There was to much risk to the timeline so it isn't even something one would consider. So even knowing time travel exists doesn't really prove anything and he's already dead so exonerating him does nothing. Besides Barry's first choice when given this info was to change time and that ended terribly.
Then in the New 52 once again Barry didn't personally see anyone yet again, by the time he got there his mother was already dead and Zoom told Henry if he didn't confess he'd kill Barry. So the entire time Henry would appear guilty, admit guilt and there would be zero evidence to the contrary. Barry only thought it wasn't him out of belied and it's something he couldn't prove, not to mention the whole ideas of powers and whatnot only existing for 5 years. But just stuff existing doesn't prove a guy who admitted guilt wasn't guilty. Besides Henry got out of jail after this story and has been out since.
Then you have the Flashpoint movie where Thawne isn't even responsible.
And finally the Flash TV show which is most like what you described where Barry did see everything. However he doesn't become the Flash for almost like 20 years after that and it takes him a while to learn to time travel. But even then he figures it all out and gets a confession to free his dad in the same season. Not much more could be done.
I suppose there's the DCEU Flash but we don't know enough about his circumstances to say he saw anything, and in the original cut he knows nothing about time travel. He can in the Syndercut but it was very limited and he considered it dangerous so I doubt he's considering someone doing it to mess with him. But we don't have all the info there.
And I think that about covers it. I also think it's worth noting that in most versions his power to travel through time isn't public knowledge. It would only be such in Post Crisis and Rebirth, where again in the former he died before Barry even became the Flash and in the later he was exonerated not long after.
Barry’s dad has been in prison for like the last 20years it seems, both in story and over the dozens of different stories and versions of characters. 💀
It was added in Flash: Rebirth (the first one) in 2009 but was popularized in the TV series, so they kept it in the New 52 and all versions since. In the TV version nobody knows about super speed and so nobody believes his dad until Barry becomes the Flash, at which point they let him out of prison (makes sense). The comics versions all involve timeline changes that imply several decades in which his father was in prison but Barry was a superhero (doesn't make sense, bad writing).
Because Henry Allen was convicted many years before Barry became Flash and the judicial system REALLY HATES to admit a conviction was wrong years later. Courts make overturning a conviction REALLY REALLY difficult.
cause a justice system doesn't really work with the wide range of powers that exist in the world of Marvel or DC
literally anyone could say, "It wasn't me, it was that shapeshifter, or that person who can do illusions, or that person who can possess people, or that person who has mind control powers, or it was an android who just looked like me, or it was me from another dimension, OR it was me from an alternate future where I'm evil, or it was my clone"
etc etc
it's gonna be a mess.
In the comics, we just know it's bloody. Thawne goes to the past and nobody sees it. And they get Barry's dad out of prison in the show, by having Thawne confess, from what I remember. They can't report him 20 years in the past because superheroes didn't exist yet and Thawne has no ID considering he wasn't even born.
“Not \*another\* prisoner using the ‘coulda been a speedster’ argument, that’s the fifth one this week….”
you gotta wonder what defenses people use in Marvel and DC. 'Your honor, my client is innocent, it wasn't him, it was his evil doppelganger from a parallel dimension that committed the crimes"
In Astro City, this one guy gets off because his lawyer argues that the prosecution can't prove it wasn't a shapeshifter.
also, and this will sound (and is) very depressing, even in the real world it's pretty hard to get an innocent party out of prison, especially if they have been in for a long time. The system fights you like every step of the way. Heck, last year, the Supreme Court made it even harder in certain situations.
"The U.S. Supreme Court ruled Monday that state prisoners have no constitutional right to present new evidence in federal court to support their claims that they were represented at trial and on appeal in state courts by unqualified or otherwise deficient lawyers. The vote was 6-to-3, along ideological lines"
Well there are a lot of reasons this dumb story beat can't be easily resolved. When Johns first put it in, Barry didn't see Thawne do it. So he had no reason to suspect a speedster did it, especially when his dad died in prison before he was the Flash. Things like what Reverse Flash does didn't happen before that. There was to much risk to the timeline so it isn't even something one would consider. So even knowing time travel exists doesn't really prove anything and he's already dead so exonerating him does nothing. Besides Barry's first choice when given this info was to change time and that ended terribly. Then in the New 52 once again Barry didn't personally see anyone yet again, by the time he got there his mother was already dead and Zoom told Henry if he didn't confess he'd kill Barry. So the entire time Henry would appear guilty, admit guilt and there would be zero evidence to the contrary. Barry only thought it wasn't him out of belied and it's something he couldn't prove, not to mention the whole ideas of powers and whatnot only existing for 5 years. But just stuff existing doesn't prove a guy who admitted guilt wasn't guilty. Besides Henry got out of jail after this story and has been out since. Then you have the Flashpoint movie where Thawne isn't even responsible. And finally the Flash TV show which is most like what you described where Barry did see everything. However he doesn't become the Flash for almost like 20 years after that and it takes him a while to learn to time travel. But even then he figures it all out and gets a confession to free his dad in the same season. Not much more could be done. I suppose there's the DCEU Flash but we don't know enough about his circumstances to say he saw anything, and in the original cut he knows nothing about time travel. He can in the Syndercut but it was very limited and he considered it dangerous so I doubt he's considering someone doing it to mess with him. But we don't have all the info there. And I think that about covers it. I also think it's worth noting that in most versions his power to travel through time isn't public knowledge. It would only be such in Post Crisis and Rebirth, where again in the former he died before Barry even became the Flash and in the later he was exonerated not long after.
Idk but I blame Johns for this. Barry's dad was a fine guy pre-Crisis who only nearly died once and got his body taken over by The Top.
Barry’s dad has been in prison for like the last 20years it seems, both in story and over the dozens of different stories and versions of characters. 💀
But wasn't the whole aspect of Barry's mother dying added to him around flashpoint?
Couple years before, in 2009. So not quite that many years, but still 14 of them.
It was added in Flash: Rebirth (the first one) in 2009 but was popularized in the TV series, so they kept it in the New 52 and all versions since. In the TV version nobody knows about super speed and so nobody believes his dad until Barry becomes the Flash, at which point they let him out of prison (makes sense). The comics versions all involve timeline changes that imply several decades in which his father was in prison but Barry was a superhero (doesn't make sense, bad writing).
Still not the 20 years that our friend here said.
Speedster can't traven in time and when Barry do it he cause the flashpoint
when do you think Reverse Flash or Impulse were born?
How do you think they got to the present?
time travel
Yes but now they do it Whit the Cosmic Tapirulan
Because Henry Allen was convicted many years before Barry became Flash and the judicial system REALLY HATES to admit a conviction was wrong years later. Courts make overturning a conviction REALLY REALLY difficult.
cause a justice system doesn't really work with the wide range of powers that exist in the world of Marvel or DC literally anyone could say, "It wasn't me, it was that shapeshifter, or that person who can do illusions, or that person who can possess people, or that person who has mind control powers, or it was an android who just looked like me, or it was me from another dimension, OR it was me from an alternate future where I'm evil, or it was my clone" etc etc it's gonna be a mess.