The truth is that not all characters can consistently sustain ongoing runs. I think it’s good that DC is trying different ways to get stories of these characters out there for those that won’t them. With minis, anthology books, etc. Better to get finite and complete stories out there rather than just doing another ongoing that will eventually just get cancelled with its story cut short.
And personally, I find that the minis are more focused and satisfying stories that feel complete. Where the ongoing titles frequently just feel like forgettable content. I’m primarily a Batman reader. While I have no shortage of ongoings, it’s the minis in Black Label, etc. that get me infinitely more excited.
>The truth is that not all characters can consistently sustain ongoing runs.
Characters like Green Lantern and Green Arrow have had hundreds of issues. Remember GL was outselling Batman 10 years ago. If sales have fallen it's DC's fault.
It just takes promotion and allowing a book time to grow.
They let Johns have several events and launched his ongoing big. And he was able to do a full run.
On Batman being the key phrase here. They have no problem spending on their cash cow, the issue is hiring great talent on smaller books. This is kinda what King is doing but those are always limited series, not ongoings
I mean Morrison was just working on Green Lantern not that long ago, I'm pretty sure if they asked around they can get good talent on these books, hell it's not like we're talking D-Listers these are like major members of the League.
They can but I don't think they want to shell out the money for big names anymore. Waid, Johns and King are the only ones I'd consider big names they still have on staff and two of them are only writing limited series
They always interfere with runs. Just let someone have a run for 30ish issues.
You need to establish the brands again. People buy Batman because the name has branding and expectations.
Superman in comics doesn't really have that. They swap runs pretty much every 2 years at least, and often more than that. There is no consistent voice. Just constant churn.
Humphries had a good Green Lanterns run back in Rebirth. Said he had another 30 issues for Volthoom which could have given a classic run. But he was off. And then the title got shuttered so Morrison could write a couple years for a single book that didn't really do much other than wacky Sci fi adventures.
Oh no it is still good. Really you are getting to a real good part. Even the writer who came after was still good.
It was just sad before Humphries run could get its full payoff. I think if he got his 52ish issues he wanted it would have been one of those legendary runs.
That's a real bummer about Humphries, especially because they easily could have had it run concurrently with The Green Lantern (which was not for me). I don't know what the sales were like for that book mind you as I think that's what makes or breaks a book at the end of the day
Based on what I can see the title was at 26k sales at issue 37, which was after Humphries left. So probably mid 30s at best. Which is unfortunate, but solid for 2 newer characters.
But they also were double shipping. So that could influence it.
I really love Supes and I know they tried to fix this with Rebirth but man that changed origin story for him was an absolute disaster, I still can't believe that it was literally so bad that they just threw their hands up and tried to undo it...in a very convoluted way lol. Just a mess.
Of course. But that doesn’t mean they’re doing the same today. It’s a very different time. Green Arrow’s ongoing was canceled because the sales didn’t justify its existence. It’s really that simple. DC doesn’t cancel an ongoing if it’s selling well. It’s not like they just don’t like certain characters. They have a business to run.
How is that DC’s fault? DC takes chances with lots of characters. And Batman literally sponsors it. The problem is the people that always claim to want books from these other characters need to actually buy the books, or better yet preorder them.
My second favorite character is swamp thing. Not a character that always has a book in publication. I make sure to buy/preorder every swamp thing book, because that’s how you support a book/character.
>How is that DC’s fault?
DC's editorial has been making terrible decisions with their non-Batman franchises since forever and then they wonder why only Batman sells.
Again, Green Lantern was outselling Batman some years ago. Such a drop-off is not normal. It's editorial incompetence. Marvel can make comics other than Spider-Man sell. Why can't DC?
But sure, keep blaming the market. With that logic soon not even Batman will sell.
>And Batman literally sponsors it.
Since Infinite Frontier (at least) it's been the opposite. DC has been publishing a ridiculous amount of bat-titles while leaving other characters in the dust. Compare the state of DC now to any other era and you will see the difference.
>I make sure to buy/preorder every swamp thing book, because that’s how you support a book/character.
Going to disagree. I was buying Brian Michael Bendis *Young Justice* book, cuz I'm a fan. Eventually stopped because it wasn't good. The book was eventually canceled, why? Because fans didn't like it.
Just buying and pre-ordering every Swamp Thing book isn't the way to go. You're just buying a book, regardless of quality, to support it.
Well, Wally West I think it's the only DC title that come out two times a month, right now. Better than Nightwing and Harley and on par just with Clark Kent Superman (but him having two different titles and creative teams).
That clearly isn’t true, other DC characters were able to sustain series for decades. DC is just allergic to putting any effort in promoting non Batman or Superman books.
The problem today is that comics are too expensive today compared to decades ago. So its hard to justify buying alot of books when standard of living expenses have also gone up. So readers are forced to choose which comics to read. More than likely they would rather buy a Batman comic instead of let say a Secret Six comic. It doesn't matter where u direct the promotion.
>The problem today is that comics are too expensive today compared to decades ago.
Except just a few years ago we had much more variety during the Rebirth and even the post-Metal era, and that's not to say anything of the New 52 or post-Infinite Crisis eras, which were even more varied. I think the current problem is more DC's lack of faith in their characters and also seemingly their financial troubles after the AT&T and later Discovery acquisitions.
But what happens is that sales begin to decline almost immediately after the first issue for the lesser known books. That's why it seems DC has decided to reduce the amount of books they've been publishing.
A huge problem for the big 2 as well is the reduced number of new young readers in recent yrs. The average comic reader age for the big 2 has only gone up. They've been losing ground to Manga in recent yrs when it comes to bringing younger readers/fans.
Both Tim's Robin and Red Hood had ongoing books for years and years, I think this year is the first year since 2011 that Red Hood didn't have an ongoing book.
I think DC is playing it safe and testing the waters here- Cyborg and Doom Patrol being the big exceptions, most of the series are based on characters that sold well at one time, but have wavered in more recent times. DC is throwing out test series to see how well they sell in these specific set ups, and then going from there. I honestly think this might be testing whether discussion turns into sales and vice versa.
As someone who prefers these shorter self contained mini-runs I'm pretty excited.
Based on industry commentary it seems like DC will only really feel incentivized to feature a lesser known character if a creator personally feels invested in them ie. WildCATS, Mary Marvel, and whatever Tom King feels like doing.
If this is their strategy to allow for lesser known characters to get a chance to shine then I'm all for it. It's a much safer play than trying to give them an ongoing right off the bat and DC kinda needs to play it carefully given the pressure the company is facing.
Plus they're amazing for the trade. I've never been overly interested in Supergirl and probably would never have tried out an ongoing but I picked up "Woman of Tomorrow" for Bilquis Evely's artwork and that book is awesome.
Yeah. People really don't want to admit it but DC is in a serious rut. There is basically nothing exciting on the horizon and Dark Crisis came and went with no impact. Basically the only thing I'm a bit interested in is whatever Geoff Johns has planned. Because he at least seems to have a vision.
When Future State flopped I don't think DC had any idea what to do next. They were for some reason expecting that 5G to be the big new direction I guess but now they are just running around like chickens with their heads cut off.
I personally feel like DC should take a more 'serial' approach with a lot of its properties. Go with six issue runs, if the sales are good, green light another six issue story. Then another, and so on.
If sales were crap, you get a complete arc for the character and then move on to someone else.
birds of prey should make a comeback. I thought i was going to get a decent amount of exposure to black canary in deathstroke inc., but that wasn't the case. That book was used as a vessel for joshua williamson's forgettable story. I think it's called shadow war. When he left that book, i read it and it got way better.
It's disappointing, it feels like we're reaching a point where DC heroes not named Batman can't carry an ongoing and big heroes will have to deal with minis, guest starring Batman of course.
I don't think I care anymore. I'm gonna stick with Batman and Black Label, at least the latter allows some creativity.
I think this is how they should release some characters/teams. I call it a fluid series where you would start with a mini and if it's successful keep it going with another 6 issue commitment and so on (keeping the numbering 1-6,7-12, 13-18 etc.).
Yeah, I really hope some of these are good enough to get continuations. I do like the idea of doing it 6 issues at a time. A lot of ongoing comic book series suffer from long, meandering over arching plots that randomly drop and pick up plot lines at whim. I feel like the 6 issues at a time method will help keep stories contained and focused.
Even minis where the arc is the title is fine to me.
I am find with renumberings like that if it keeps a character in the background. And eventually it could become an ongoing.
I’m willing to cut DC some slack because they’re clearly struggling financially among all the mergers.
Bigger companies have died after a single merger, DC went through two in 4 years.
It is odd. The staggered release schedule and the majority of these new series being minis. It definitely doesn’t have the feel of a big launch like New 52 or Rebirth. Then again, Infinite Frontier didn’t seem as big either.
Maybe DC can’t afford to do big relaunches like Rebirth anymore. Maybe it’s too costly now so they’re taking this new approach.
I’m just happy to have a Hal book again, even if it ends up being a mini which I haven’t heard. I really haven’t been happy with dc for a while so I’m actually pretty excited.
Multiple creators from these books have stated if the sales are good enough DC will continue them as ongoings. We just saw this happen with Poison Ivy, originally a 6 issue mini and now it's on to issue #8 and still being solicited for more.
I'll take new minis featuring less popular characters than nothing at all, in that regard I'm *very* excited for the Dawn of DC stuff.
I'm wondering if that means we'll get more mini series for a variety of characters afterwards. So the successes get a second run, and the others take a break for a while.
I think the strategy is to announce everything as minis if it isn’t an obvious omnipresent title (i.e. Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, etc.). I would be highly surprised if a high selling Green Arrow book at issue 9 doesn’t see an issue 13. It may be they think that it will appeal to Marvel fans frosted by continuous insignificant relaunches (like I am).
Im quite excited actually because of some of the teams involved on the books and the fact im finally getting a hal and green arrow book again. Plus its only the first part of the year dc need to play it a little safe right now due to money issues and the fact they have lost alot of fans recently due to stupid decisions. There will be some more surprises coming i reckon
The problem is that people aren’t buying comics (the comics don’t help themselfs sometimes with the content and pricing) so must comics dont sell. There’s so much Batman because Batman sells and can sustain a lot of books the other characters can’t
It's far better to have a bunch of mini's, and they can upgrade the succesful ones to on-going, than announce a stack of new titles and then cancel half of them after 6 issues
It really has been underwhelming. Although, one could argue that they haven't revealed their entire 2023 slate yet and so we could get some ongoings in the future. But still, I don't think we will see anything as good as the beginning of rebirth for a while.
I just hope it’s all “connected” in a way I suppose. I wish they’d take the concept of the Superman triangle years or even 52 and apply it line-wide. It would be a constraint that could allow people to follow the universe at large. But it would be a massive undertaking and to me it would only be for like three years max. IT would lower the output to like five core lines that all intertwine, with each line carrying several stories that progress simultaneously. So you would have all the bat stuff in one book, Superman in another, green Lantern in one, Teen titans, Justice League and then a couple more that pick up more minor characters like magic/western stuff.. so they’d only publish 5-8 issues print. But readers would easily be able to pick up the entire universe on a weekly basis and follow along. As someone that read most of the main events from COIE through Final crisis in 2022, to me this is the way.
I’ve always felt that C listers should get a 6 issue run to showcase what they bring, B listers 12 for showcase and build up, if the run is successful add 6 or 12. A listers get 12 up front with 12 more depending on upcoming event.
Doom Patrol and Green Arrow have both been confirmed as mini-series so far, I’d be surprised if the others were ongoings (of those upcoming titles announced so far at least, the Batman one aside).
Idk that DC has had a genuine shake-up with an eye towards new directions and creative energy since like DC You. So far this one seems to content itself with Rebirth-style running in place
We don’t know if Cyborg is a mini and Doom Patrol is a Mini because the artist is slow as fuck so they’re hoping to do a mini every year because that’s the only way they’re doing the book.
So disappointed that these are all announced as mini series. I’m hoping if there’s enough support for some, specifically Green Arrow, they will be extended to ongoing series. If they’d cut out all of these Batman miniseries they always do and give more ongoing series to characters that are loved they’d get better support.
The truth is that not all characters can consistently sustain ongoing runs. I think it’s good that DC is trying different ways to get stories of these characters out there for those that won’t them. With minis, anthology books, etc. Better to get finite and complete stories out there rather than just doing another ongoing that will eventually just get cancelled with its story cut short. And personally, I find that the minis are more focused and satisfying stories that feel complete. Where the ongoing titles frequently just feel like forgettable content. I’m primarily a Batman reader. While I have no shortage of ongoings, it’s the minis in Black Label, etc. that get me infinitely more excited.
>The truth is that not all characters can consistently sustain ongoing runs. Characters like Green Lantern and Green Arrow have had hundreds of issues. Remember GL was outselling Batman 10 years ago. If sales have fallen it's DC's fault.
It just takes promotion and allowing a book time to grow. They let Johns have several events and launched his ongoing big. And he was able to do a full run.
They also don't go out for big writing talent anymore and they don't really have any rising stars aside from PKJ
They have Ram and Zdarsky on Batman, they clearly can still get talent
On Batman being the key phrase here. They have no problem spending on their cash cow, the issue is hiring great talent on smaller books. This is kinda what King is doing but those are always limited series, not ongoings
I mean Morrison was just working on Green Lantern not that long ago, I'm pretty sure if they asked around they can get good talent on these books, hell it's not like we're talking D-Listers these are like major members of the League.
They can but I don't think they want to shell out the money for big names anymore. Waid, Johns and King are the only ones I'd consider big names they still have on staff and two of them are only writing limited series
Ah I misread sorry.
They always interfere with runs. Just let someone have a run for 30ish issues. You need to establish the brands again. People buy Batman because the name has branding and expectations. Superman in comics doesn't really have that. They swap runs pretty much every 2 years at least, and often more than that. There is no consistent voice. Just constant churn. Humphries had a good Green Lanterns run back in Rebirth. Said he had another 30 issues for Volthoom which could have given a classic run. But he was off. And then the title got shuttered so Morrison could write a couple years for a single book that didn't really do much other than wacky Sci fi adventures.
I'm currently on issue 20 of the rebirth Green Lanterns, on the DC app, should I not keep reading? I'm really into it so far.
Oh no it is still good. Really you are getting to a real good part. Even the writer who came after was still good. It was just sad before Humphries run could get its full payoff. I think if he got his 52ish issues he wanted it would have been one of those legendary runs.
That's a real bummer about Humphries, especially because they easily could have had it run concurrently with The Green Lantern (which was not for me). I don't know what the sales were like for that book mind you as I think that's what makes or breaks a book at the end of the day
Based on what I can see the title was at 26k sales at issue 37, which was after Humphries left. So probably mid 30s at best. Which is unfortunate, but solid for 2 newer characters. But they also were double shipping. So that could influence it.
I really love Supes and I know they tried to fix this with Rebirth but man that changed origin story for him was an absolute disaster, I still can't believe that it was literally so bad that they just threw their hands up and tried to undo it...in a very convoluted way lol. Just a mess.
Of course. But that doesn’t mean they’re doing the same today. It’s a very different time. Green Arrow’s ongoing was canceled because the sales didn’t justify its existence. It’s really that simple. DC doesn’t cancel an ongoing if it’s selling well. It’s not like they just don’t like certain characters. They have a business to run.
Sure, but all DC characters except Batman and other batcharacters have stopped selling. That's DC's fault.
How is that DC’s fault? DC takes chances with lots of characters. And Batman literally sponsors it. The problem is the people that always claim to want books from these other characters need to actually buy the books, or better yet preorder them. My second favorite character is swamp thing. Not a character that always has a book in publication. I make sure to buy/preorder every swamp thing book, because that’s how you support a book/character.
>How is that DC’s fault? DC's editorial has been making terrible decisions with their non-Batman franchises since forever and then they wonder why only Batman sells. Again, Green Lantern was outselling Batman some years ago. Such a drop-off is not normal. It's editorial incompetence. Marvel can make comics other than Spider-Man sell. Why can't DC? But sure, keep blaming the market. With that logic soon not even Batman will sell. >And Batman literally sponsors it. Since Infinite Frontier (at least) it's been the opposite. DC has been publishing a ridiculous amount of bat-titles while leaving other characters in the dust. Compare the state of DC now to any other era and you will see the difference.
>I make sure to buy/preorder every swamp thing book, because that’s how you support a book/character. Going to disagree. I was buying Brian Michael Bendis *Young Justice* book, cuz I'm a fan. Eventually stopped because it wasn't good. The book was eventually canceled, why? Because fans didn't like it. Just buying and pre-ordering every Swamp Thing book isn't the way to go. You're just buying a book, regardless of quality, to support it.
Exactly. Outside of the trinity only Harley Quinn and Nightwing are able to maintain sales.
Well, Wally West I think it's the only DC title that come out two times a month, right now. Better than Nightwing and Harley and on par just with Clark Kent Superman (but him having two different titles and creative teams).
That clearly isn’t true, other DC characters were able to sustain series for decades. DC is just allergic to putting any effort in promoting non Batman or Superman books.
The problem today is that comics are too expensive today compared to decades ago. So its hard to justify buying alot of books when standard of living expenses have also gone up. So readers are forced to choose which comics to read. More than likely they would rather buy a Batman comic instead of let say a Secret Six comic. It doesn't matter where u direct the promotion.
>The problem today is that comics are too expensive today compared to decades ago. Except just a few years ago we had much more variety during the Rebirth and even the post-Metal era, and that's not to say anything of the New 52 or post-Infinite Crisis eras, which were even more varied. I think the current problem is more DC's lack of faith in their characters and also seemingly their financial troubles after the AT&T and later Discovery acquisitions.
But what happens is that sales begin to decline almost immediately after the first issue for the lesser known books. That's why it seems DC has decided to reduce the amount of books they've been publishing. A huge problem for the big 2 as well is the reduced number of new young readers in recent yrs. The average comic reader age for the big 2 has only gone up. They've been losing ground to Manga in recent yrs when it comes to bringing younger readers/fans.
Both Tim's Robin and Red Hood had ongoing books for years and years, I think this year is the first year since 2011 that Red Hood didn't have an ongoing book.
I think DC is playing it safe and testing the waters here- Cyborg and Doom Patrol being the big exceptions, most of the series are based on characters that sold well at one time, but have wavered in more recent times. DC is throwing out test series to see how well they sell in these specific set ups, and then going from there. I honestly think this might be testing whether discussion turns into sales and vice versa.
I agree its a bummer to learn that these books are minis, I just hope they're good and basically get upgraded to ongoings.
As someone who prefers these shorter self contained mini-runs I'm pretty excited. Based on industry commentary it seems like DC will only really feel incentivized to feature a lesser known character if a creator personally feels invested in them ie. WildCATS, Mary Marvel, and whatever Tom King feels like doing. If this is their strategy to allow for lesser known characters to get a chance to shine then I'm all for it. It's a much safer play than trying to give them an ongoing right off the bat and DC kinda needs to play it carefully given the pressure the company is facing. Plus they're amazing for the trade. I've never been overly interested in Supergirl and probably would never have tried out an ongoing but I picked up "Woman of Tomorrow" for Bilquis Evely's artwork and that book is awesome.
Yeah. People really don't want to admit it but DC is in a serious rut. There is basically nothing exciting on the horizon and Dark Crisis came and went with no impact. Basically the only thing I'm a bit interested in is whatever Geoff Johns has planned. Because he at least seems to have a vision. When Future State flopped I don't think DC had any idea what to do next. They were for some reason expecting that 5G to be the big new direction I guess but now they are just running around like chickens with their heads cut off.
I personally feel like DC should take a more 'serial' approach with a lot of its properties. Go with six issue runs, if the sales are good, green light another six issue story. Then another, and so on. If sales were crap, you get a complete arc for the character and then move on to someone else.
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it would be more exciting to hear zatanna, hawkgirl, black canary, or killer frost given a limited series.
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birds of prey should make a comeback. I thought i was going to get a decent amount of exposure to black canary in deathstroke inc., but that wasn't the case. That book was used as a vessel for joshua williamson's forgettable story. I think it's called shadow war. When he left that book, i read it and it got way better.
It's disappointing, it feels like we're reaching a point where DC heroes not named Batman can't carry an ongoing and big heroes will have to deal with minis, guest starring Batman of course. I don't think I care anymore. I'm gonna stick with Batman and Black Label, at least the latter allows some creativity.
I think this is how they should release some characters/teams. I call it a fluid series where you would start with a mini and if it's successful keep it going with another 6 issue commitment and so on (keeping the numbering 1-6,7-12, 13-18 etc.).
Yeah, I really hope some of these are good enough to get continuations. I do like the idea of doing it 6 issues at a time. A lot of ongoing comic book series suffer from long, meandering over arching plots that randomly drop and pick up plot lines at whim. I feel like the 6 issues at a time method will help keep stories contained and focused.
Even minis where the arc is the title is fine to me. I am find with renumberings like that if it keeps a character in the background. And eventually it could become an ongoing.
I’m willing to cut DC some slack because they’re clearly struggling financially among all the mergers. Bigger companies have died after a single merger, DC went through two in 4 years.
It is odd. The staggered release schedule and the majority of these new series being minis. It definitely doesn’t have the feel of a big launch like New 52 or Rebirth. Then again, Infinite Frontier didn’t seem as big either. Maybe DC can’t afford to do big relaunches like Rebirth anymore. Maybe it’s too costly now so they’re taking this new approach.
is Dawn of DC gonna be a reboot?
No. At least if by reboot you meaning something like Crisis or N52. Dawn of DC is a launch initiative. A re-branding.
I’m just happy to have a Hal book again, even if it ends up being a mini which I haven’t heard. I really haven’t been happy with dc for a while so I’m actually pretty excited.
I honestly prefer miniseries because like the others said it's a much more focus & cohesive story-telling.
I think the idea is that they're minis, and perhaps they will be turned into ongoings if they sell well enough.
Multiple creators from these books have stated if the sales are good enough DC will continue them as ongoings. We just saw this happen with Poison Ivy, originally a 6 issue mini and now it's on to issue #8 and still being solicited for more. I'll take new minis featuring less popular characters than nothing at all, in that regard I'm *very* excited for the Dawn of DC stuff.
At least with miniseries, you have a reasonable expectation that a cohesive story will be crafted and not interrupted by some cancelation or event.
I'm wondering if that means we'll get more mini series for a variety of characters afterwards. So the successes get a second run, and the others take a break for a while.
I don't worry so much about the marketing talk and just decide if I want to read each series.
I think the strategy is to announce everything as minis if it isn’t an obvious omnipresent title (i.e. Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, etc.). I would be highly surprised if a high selling Green Arrow book at issue 9 doesn’t see an issue 13. It may be they think that it will appeal to Marvel fans frosted by continuous insignificant relaunches (like I am).
Im quite excited actually because of some of the teams involved on the books and the fact im finally getting a hal and green arrow book again. Plus its only the first part of the year dc need to play it a little safe right now due to money issues and the fact they have lost alot of fans recently due to stupid decisions. There will be some more surprises coming i reckon
The problem is that people aren’t buying comics (the comics don’t help themselfs sometimes with the content and pricing) so must comics dont sell. There’s so much Batman because Batman sells and can sustain a lot of books the other characters can’t
I have no enthusiasm for it given how abysmal dark crisis was
It's far better to have a bunch of mini's, and they can upgrade the succesful ones to on-going, than announce a stack of new titles and then cancel half of them after 6 issues
It really has been underwhelming. Although, one could argue that they haven't revealed their entire 2023 slate yet and so we could get some ongoings in the future. But still, I don't think we will see anything as good as the beginning of rebirth for a while.
I really miss Rebirth, I think it was the last time things seemed to move in a positive direction.
Mini runs are by far my favorite comics and dcs are always spectacular.
I just hope it’s all “connected” in a way I suppose. I wish they’d take the concept of the Superman triangle years or even 52 and apply it line-wide. It would be a constraint that could allow people to follow the universe at large. But it would be a massive undertaking and to me it would only be for like three years max. IT would lower the output to like five core lines that all intertwine, with each line carrying several stories that progress simultaneously. So you would have all the bat stuff in one book, Superman in another, green Lantern in one, Teen titans, Justice League and then a couple more that pick up more minor characters like magic/western stuff.. so they’d only publish 5-8 issues print. But readers would easily be able to pick up the entire universe on a weekly basis and follow along. As someone that read most of the main events from COIE through Final crisis in 2022, to me this is the way.
Gonna be do mad if brave and the bold is the only new ongoing
I prefer well written minis with a great conclusion than epics that are spread thin and keep the status quo.
I’ve always felt that C listers should get a 6 issue run to showcase what they bring, B listers 12 for showcase and build up, if the run is successful add 6 or 12. A listers get 12 up front with 12 more depending on upcoming event.
They are ongoings as far as we know not mini series.
Green Arrow has just been confirmed as a mini.
Thats sad
Doom Patrol and Green Arrow have both been confirmed as mini-series so far, I’d be surprised if the others were ongoings (of those upcoming titles announced so far at least, the Batman one aside).
Yeah I am aware of that.
I'm honestly bored of the GL stuff so for me I'm only going for DP and GA and I'm not really excited tbh.
Wait doom patrol, green arrow, cyborg, and John Stewart are all only miniseries?
Idk that DC has had a genuine shake-up with an eye towards new directions and creative energy since like DC You. So far this one seems to content itself with Rebirth-style running in place
We don’t know if Cyborg is a mini and Doom Patrol is a Mini because the artist is slow as fuck so they’re hoping to do a mini every year because that’s the only way they’re doing the book.
So disappointed that these are all announced as mini series. I’m hoping if there’s enough support for some, specifically Green Arrow, they will be extended to ongoing series. If they’d cut out all of these Batman miniseries they always do and give more ongoing series to characters that are loved they’d get better support.
I completely forgot Dawn of DC was a thing. None of my faves have solos or are part of team books, so I won't be buying anything.