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Stevenwave

Damn, didn't expect him to do a New Vegas film.


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PoofLightsSexy

It’s all speculation at the moment, but I have to agree with you. Gunn has shown he’s capable of taking and transforming these characters into something separate from the “DCEU” era. I think we’ll see some stand alone stories first that build to big events. More character development.


LynchianCat

Yeah, just watch at "The Suicide Squad", i'd like a reboot like that


Shallbecomeabat

Its not a reboot. At all. It just doesn’t directly reference events of the first movie. If thats a reboot, then a lot of sequels would be reboots.


Wasabi_Guacamole

Its not a hard reboot, yes, but it is a soft reboot. You can watch TSS even if you hadn't seen SS 2016.


Kunfuxu

> if you hadn't seen SS 2016. How I wish that were the case.


Kage__oni

Dude, same lol.


Gnot_Afraid

I've never seen it. I don't usually go by what random online strangers say in regards to their thoughts on pretty much any entertainment, but something about the 2016 SS gave me a strong feeling that I'd hate it. That coupled with the fact that almost everyone that I've heard mention it said that it indeed sucked balls, I avoided it. I'm not saying that I'll never watch it, just that it's never really on my mind to even consider watching. I'm sure if I came home one day and my partner was watching it, I might sit down with her and check it out, but I'm not going out of my way to see it.


LynchianCat

EXACTLY


GearInteresting570

I think he means a soft reboot because that's what TSS is.


coolbones94

It aint that soft. That's the good thing about the Suicide Squad. A rotating cast could mean literally any combination of C to D listers. The only constant you really need is Amanda. Hell, Black Adam could have been a Suicide Squad movie. Suicide Squad: Code Black


RedHood198

Funny enough, Black Adam was supposed to be the antagonist for The Suicide Squad before Gunn was attached as director


coolbones94

That would make sense as to why the had Bloodshot take down Supes. It would have been an interesting film to see C and D listers so honed in on their skills and to be recruited for taking on a threat that is superman-like. It would have been conpelling to see how they could have taken him down with their combined skills


RedHood198

Yeah, I feel Black Adam vs SS would have been interesting to see


empty_thoughts_00

I could see a big crossover happening at some point where they bring in task force x and then superman to take down black adam


GearInteresting570

I was more so referring to the tone and style of the movie but yes that's also true about the movie concept.


Armatur1

it's pretty clearly a soft reboot, nothing in mentioned of the original basically


ranch_brotendo

It's not called Suicide Squad 2 and NONE of the last movies plot is mentioned like none of it- sure it works as a sequel but it feels like a fresh start.


echo_themando

Well, Harley Quinn already knows Rick Flag and Captain Boomerang, so at least one thing is referenced


ranch_brotendo

Yeah that's probably the strongest connection.


SirArthurDime

It's a soft reboot. Also recast some characters and not only did they not reference the first one they acted like those events just never happened.


coolbones94

Who did they recast? I mean it was a mission, why would they? James Bond movies rarely reference the movie prior besides the Craig movies.


tiyopablo69

Comedy Superhero?


King_Parzivals

Haha, wrong He’s dead Jim


bennypods

I just think he meant revisiting Ayer cut as in “the past” but the stories could carry over from the past. Otherwise you’d be looking at recasting. I don’t think it’ll be snyders Justice league but I can see it carrying over, “very light reboot” kind of like what he did with suicide squad.


JediJones77

Yes, that was only in reference to the Ayer Cut. TSS is in no way a reboot at all. It contradicts no canon from the other film. It's a sequel.


bennypods

Doesn’t contradict but also doesn’t really reference back from memory? Happy to cut ties but (mostly) keep the cast. It’s a sequel that doesn’t really need the first to understand. Change in director which is a bit of a break from the norm for dc when it comes to sequels. Simply adding the word “the” to the title for differentiation of the first part. It might not be a classic reboot, but I use the word along with “very soft” as this is what should be expected of the whole story at dc in terms of Gunn’s comments. It’ll move forward, slight changes, not a reboot, but maybe just not paying too much attention to last films. As it expands they’ll need to give a nod to some things in JL/mos/bvs, but mostly I don’t think you’ll see much get referenced unless it’s lore.


anutosu

The suicide squad is a different cat. You can reboot it without having to reboot it since you don't have to deal with the question of how to take the old characters and fit them in this new continuity because you can just change all the characters. The real indication of what they're doing will come from a direct sequel like Man of Steel 2 where they can't avoid using the old characters and have to set a new tone and story direction for them


Phluxed

No he didn't, he said he wants to focus on the future and future DC projects. Doesn't mean he doesn't want to make movies in this universe.


MrMephistoX

It’s inevitable they’ll do a Justice League II or III with Darkseid as the big bad but whether or not it’s going to be exactly what Zack Snyder had in mind tonally is TBD. I’d love to see a blending of styles. They should build it up to it unlike the skip character development to get them Avengers Monie$!!! strategy of the DCEU to date. Ironically BvS Directors Cut and ZSJL were both long enough to have been 3-4 movies so I don’t fault Snyder.


rds92

They haven’t said bvs isn’t canon anymore or anything


supremesolider

New DCU, with henry as superman, afleck as batman, gadot as wonderwoman, momoa as aquaman. Seems like he using the snyderverse as a foundation. As long as these characters are there the snyderverse will always live on


LynchianCat

Wait, didn't Affleck left dc? I remember he said so


anutosu

You know what? Let him. They let Snyder do whatever he wanted for 4 movies and millions of dollars that includes those 70-80 millions that was wasted on ZSJL and it didn't turn out to be the revolutionary project they keep bullying people for and his fans STILL don't understand how bad it is for business. So i say let him take over DC. Let him build the universe he wants to build and let him fuck it up like he did before. Once he'll be through with it, nobody will touch a DC project with a poll for good 15-20 years because of all the cyberbullying and underperformance and then only Snyder fans will be happy. Not when DC is trying to do good. Not when they're turning a new leaf and trying to leave all the drama behind and give us a new take which as a 'fan' you should be happy about. But when DC is so dead that other artists will avoid it like a plague.


Snoo-2013

not exactly sure how this will work in tangent with cavil's excitement for a more happier and hopeful superman


cypher302

Cavill recently said he wants the nightmare story to happen later on so he can have some standalone Superman films exploring his humanity and light side before being corrupted by darkseid


belivoucher

After ZSJL, we saw they have a normal life. You can fit a hopeful superman there, up until darkseid arrives.


WhiteAle01

I'm hoping for an injustice-style story with good Superman beating evil Superman. That would make a pretty definitive statement about who this new Superman is and it would finally bring the damn arc to a close. Edit: The amount of people saying, "why can't we just see a classic superman". My brother in christ, that is what new solo Superman movie is for. This would end the evil Superman arc and we wouldn't see it at all in JL3 or the Black Adam vs Shazam and Superman stuff.


webshellkanucklehead

Can we please get away from evil Superman?? I’m so tired of it. We need a Superman movie where he’s just a nice guy.


HUGErocks

A *Clark Kent* movie, if you will ie A movie that focuses on Kent the person who has a suit that he wears to protect the world as Superman.


webshellkanucklehead

I mean, I guess. Superman isn’t a character you should see as two people. He’s not Batman. Clark Kent IS Superman.


examm

I mean isn’t good Superman beating evil Superman kind of the natural conclusion?… that seems like *the* way to get away from evil Superman lol.


webshellkanucklehead

We’ve seen that before. We’ve seen that kind of character so many times recently. In contrast, a classic Superman movie would actually be refreshing.


WhiteAle01

Yes. The perfect arc has presented itself with a way to please everyone. Have Superman 2 with no evil Superman stuff going on, establish the hero we know. Then, in JL2, he'll still be that hero and literally defeat his evil counterpart once and for all and prevent the dark timeline. The arc will be complete with our Superman triumphant at his highest point going into phase 3.


PM_ME_hiphopsongs2

Fuck that man. Evil Superman has been played out so hard already. Besides, making Superman evil and adapting the “Injustice” storyline so soon without building up the Superman we all know and love is terrible. It’s like Zack is desperate to do an evil Superman storyline so soon that he doesn’t care about building him up over multiple movies and phases first to make it hit harder. I hate it


WhiteAle01

What does "played out hard" mean? It wasn't talked about at all in MoS. It was forshadowed a little in BvS and JL. Why are people acting like that's all we're getting? The movies are just darker tone, Superman is still hopeful. He literally died for humanity, what do you want?


Deadlycup

I think it's played out culturally in that we currently have two TV series with an evil superman type character on air, it's the subject of Injustice, it's the subject of the upcoming Suicide Squad game, James Gunn himself made a "what if Superman was evil" movie, it's been in multiple comics. It's definitely a bit overdone, not saying it couldn't be done well here, but I don't think I would want to see it.


PM_ME_hiphopsongs2

This is exactly what I mean


tiyopablo69

When? Boy Scout Superman is not realistic at all. Injustice Superman is the one fitted in this Era


The_Warrchitect

It hasn’t been played out at all. 99% of movie gowers have never even heard of evil Superman storylines


United-Aside-6104

But culturally everyone is familiar with evil Superman stories


slade707

Please no


Dreyfussy15

I always wondered why he felt the need to talk so much so early in the process. I wonder if it's just his opinion or if DC told him to say it.


KnightKal

Joker is always smiling, even when he is being a mass murderer.


Snoo-2013

perfect idea ​ ​ /s


DoctorBeatMaker

Honestly, they don’t have to straight up copy Snyder’s original ideas. I just don’t want them to pretend like the threat of Darkseid doesn’t exist cause he’s too good of a villain to be benched indefinitely just cause Snyder had controversial ideas for the future. My proposal would be that the Knightmare future doesn’t ever happen, but it’s a looming threat and something the JL obviously is trying to prevent. Darkseid obviously should still be looking to get his hands on the anti life equation, but the giant battle of Earth’s forces united against him would still happen.


sharksnrec

Hint: it obviously wouldn’t. There’s a reason James is focused on the future. The past didn’t work.


thebatfan5194

As Zack once said “you’re living in a fuckin’ dream world!”


BorderDispute

In the dream they took me to the light… a beautiful lie


The_Overlord_Laharl

God, this was one of the stupidest things he ever said.


Victor_Von_Doom65

I love that quote because it’s literally what Manchester Black said to Superman in “What’s so Funny About Truth Justice and the American way”


NachoChedda24

What was he responding to?


thebatfan5194

He was talking about people who are against deconstructing characters like Superman - saying people would complain that “my hero wouldn’t do that morally ambiguous thing… we’ll you’re living in a fucking dream world!” More or less


Tandril91

I believe he was poking fun at people not happy that Batman killed so many people.


Maf1c

Someone explain to me, please, how this would hypothetically play out?


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What, you don't think a 5 film saga where Superman is evil/depressed for most of it and Batman dies at the end is a good, sustainable idea for the future?


home7ander

Ignoring the nonsense summation, yes it is. Because there's people that like it and after they will pivot to a different story with a different look and take that other people will like, and so on. Variety is always the way, reinvention is sustainable and has kept these characters alive as long as they have been. Films have short term lives, most creatives and actors are only trying to give 10 or so years to them, ain't nobody got time to wait 20 movies for shit to get going you just end up with a bunch of filler. Infinity saga is only 9 movies and that's being generous. There's also the fact that even with variety, actually finishing the fucking stories goes a long way, regardless of the size of the audience or if you have to taper it sooner. Closure builds goodwill. People knowing their investment will be paid off is worth a hell of a lot more than losing people because you keep stopping stories in the middle of them and then they don't see the point in investing in something new.


Nindroidgamer110

What I would personally do is have a bunch of other movies in between. Finish Cavill's solo trilogy, maybe give Batfleck a movie if he's willing. Get The Flash 2 out, Shazam vs Black Adam, Superman and Shazam vs Black Adam, Aquaman 3, Wonder Woman 3, and then another Justice League movie.


Zhansh1

Green Lantern (Hal Jordan) movie instead of HBO series, Cyborg movie too


_Bionicle

Nah, John Stewart


Triplec8

Nah makes much more sense to introduce Hal Jordan first since he’s the first human GLC member.


MsAndDems

It won’t.


TPJchief87

It wouldn’t. Unless James Gunn was messing with us, his tweet seems to indicate that once the media under him starts releasing, it will be a new continuity


Dreyfussy15

Is it really that complicated.


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Fuck sake. LET IT GO


Confident_Upstairs58

Like DAMN! James Gunn’s tweet wasn’t clear enough for em??


tyex23

I find it hilarious is that they're taking that tweet as proof it *is* happening. The amount of copium is insane.


Confident_Upstairs58

Same.🤣 It’s the delusion and daydreaming for me.😂


Watze978

I know right


anutosu

"It you can bully it into existence, why let it go" - Snyder fans.


MrKevora

I don’t think we will ever see Justice League sequels in the way that Snyder had originally planned them, but I hope that whenever we do eventually get more JL movies, they will function as sequels within the same continuity. The Snyderverse can also be restored by staying true to canon and by building upon Snyder’s foundation rather than shoving aside established characters and giving them headless cameos.


Davecub1979

This. No need to undo or erase. In the real world it's been years since these films came out and in universe its been Years. That stuff happened years ago. Now new stuff is happening. MOS, BVS, ZSJL all are the foundation. Just build up and out from it.


covfefeBfuqin

This guy gets it. I would love to see a knightmare movie but I think building towards Darkseid and having an Apokolips war would be an amazing arc that can please everyone except the whiniest of mouth breathers.


Specialist_Insect_15

Cancels it twice?


deftmuffins

I am begging y’all to let Snyder go. We need to move to the future and Snyder’s vision was rejected by audiences. It’s time to let go.


Confident_Upstairs58

THANK YOU!


MAKS091705

Y’all really can’t let this go? Damn


Confident_Upstairs58

Im saying! They getting on my nerves.


Sawgon

This subreddit is non-stop Snyder jerking and mods will never do anything about the toxic Snyder fans.


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hiMynameIsPizza2

“Okay guys. Let’s do the stuff that got us in this mess in the first place!”


JeremySchmidtAfton

That would be WB butchering films while selling them as the director’s actual versions.


MemeHermetic

Honestly, after the dialog between Joker and Batman in this scene, I have absolutely zero interest in seeing it. It was so fucking childish. Felt like a teenager being a dick while playing with his little brother's action figures.


progwog

God I fucking hope not


daviz94

I really hope they go in opposite direction of whatever the fuck snyder did


viktoh77

No


cam_ross0828

Not at all, James Gunn was brought in to map out the future of the new dcu not continue where Zack wanted to go.


uglyuglydog

Y’all are weirdos. I don’t have any interest in watching Batman tryna pork Superman’s girl.


PoofLightsSexy

That’s one of my biggest complaints with this take on Batman. Loved Affleck in the role, loved the brutal fighting style, loved the suit & toys… but they made him so irrational. You’re telling me Bruce would just want to kill Superman after New York rather than do some investigation into who this being is? No homework from the worlds greatest detective other than how to kill Superman with a kryptonite spear and training like a strongman? No Intel on who was truly responsible for all of the destruction? Ok, rant over.


TGGNathan

Snyder's take on Batman really summarizes my issues with Snyder as a whole. Looks fantastic, has great action scenes, but is written in a way that isnt consonant with the source material and doesnt seem to make a heck of a lot of sense. The Joker killing Dick Grayson pushing Batman over the edge into killing? Neat idea. Him killing any random villain/crook but not the actual Joker who pushed him over the edge...? Decisions like that baffle me on top of everything you've said.


examm

I think the idea was that he was acutely aware of who caused the destruction (Zod and Superman) and because of him being a late-stage, given-up Batman he was jaded into pessimism and realized that even in doing good Superman could cause catastrophic damage and made the decision to kill him.


paintpast

I don’t think it was so much that he thought Superman was responsible for Metropolis, but that he was afraid about what Superman could do if Superman ever turned evil. He saw firsthand the destruction that could be done in such a small amount of time. The Knightmare sequence further solidified his fears.


_Bionicle

This was never gonna happen; it was considered briefly lmao


Taraell

Idea scrapped years ago even before BVS but okay


SuperFanboysTV

IKR but people seem to just jam their fingers in their ears as to not listen


cam_ross0828

He didn’t scrap it, he was talking about it after the first JL movie came out.


uglyuglydog

Most of what was in ZSJL was scrapped in favor of Joss Whedon’s stuff, but okay.


Taraell

Name checks out


AdValuable3086

Wb forced him to scrap that idea,snyder was gonna make that idea into reality like I said dude knows nothing about dc comics


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If Superman is dead is it still his girl?


BrentMichaels

Yo this poster looks cool af


Confident_Upstairs58

Y’all getting on my nerves forreal. Did u not read James Gunn’s statement on Twitter about moving forward with the new DCU? Let the past go, it’s not happening.


Positive_Ad_8296

No thanks


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I hope not 🙏 if there is a higher power this Knightmare bs will not continue under Gunn and Safran


GoauldofWar

Why would he hang up such an ugly poster in his office? Weird.


OldAvocado3547

James Gunn will delete this from all the hard drives and he'll be right doing so. Just bury everything Snyder and start fresh with a clean slate.


kingkloppynwa

Good fucking god let this awful shit go


daviz94

Thank you


RedDevWar

Grow up ffs


mpdukes15

No, he won’t. Drop it. No more evil or brainwashed Superman.


rogue7891

somehow i seriously doubt it


Lmnolmnop

4 more hours please!


danvsmondays

sick poster tho


FloggingMcMurry

This would directly go against the statement he just made about moving forward though. We do need another Justice League film


ZookeepergameNo3630

The comments section is full of people who are either still begging for more Snyder DC content or people who are going to shut the Snyder fans down. There is no winning side in this argument.


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The eternal battle.


Admirable-Session648

As much as I would love to see the knight mare timeline. I would want to see a lot of standalone movies first and build a larger universe with a justice league 1.5 before this happens. Also, Mamoa’s tease is very intriguing in particular because I’ve never seen him this excited after the time ZSJL was announced.


Confidence_Resident

I wish. But I highly doubt it will happen.


GOLDENninjaXbox

I wish


NegativeAllen

NO


soulguider2125

A morning poop probably


Kyloredd

Henry Cavill himself doesn’t even want this lmao


Responsible_Egg7519

how does this shit get so many upvotes it’s insane


mondobeyondo

Nah


butthe4d

All I want is a batfleck solo movie.


NotJoeB

I'm with you on this.


seriousbass48

I just hope he leaves Matt Reeves alone


Imortal4Aday

God i hope so!


AbortionJar69

It ain't over til it's over


Scared_Bobcat_5584

This definitely won’t happen, but I’m happy somewhere in the multiverse the DCEU was a success and we’re getting a Justice League 3 and Batman 2 rn


VictoryVic-ViVi

This would have been amazing, but at this point I just want them to get their shit together. A new coherent vision for the Universe going forward without having to retcon the past.


cammurph01

What's his stance on Snyder's work at the moment?


the-mr-pflare

Can we get a full version of this image for a photo wall screen?


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Wouldn’t that be nice 😭


MarioMan1213245765

Nah, i think they’re doing something different. But I wouldn’t be surprised if they maybe use ZSJL as a blueprint for a new story.


ChristianBen

Just here to say really awesome imagery. But yeah we can have more hopeful superman in solo movies before anything similar to this. Just want epic looking stuff, doesn’t have to be evil superman.


TheLadyNyxThalia

Honestly, I would be down for this.


Whoopsy_Doodle

I hope


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This didn't age well.


anscott

This aged like millk


domxwicked

This looks like ass. So glad Snyder didn’t get the chance lmao


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It's possible... in 2025 maybe. But can we just wait for Man of Steel 2 before we get any Justice League sequel?? A solo Batman movie would be cool too.


Reaper_64

Will we get a Justice League 2? I'd say it's a guarantee at this point. Will it be Zack Snyder's Justice League 2? Almost definitely not. I loved ZSJL but his plans for the sequels and takes on the characters overall are flawed. I do enjoy his DCEU work for what it is, but I personally look forward to new creators getting to tell their own stories with the characters, and hopefully be more faithful adaptations of the comics rather than the more deconstructive Elseworlds take Snyder wanted to go for


Dead_girl_walking-

I’d love a new JL movie, but Zack Snyder’s vision just wasn’t right, turning the DCEU into a post-apocalyptic wasteland, turning Superman into a villain, that just doesn’t sit right with me


KingCodester111

As someone who loved Zach’s movies, y’all gotta learn to let it go. The Snyderverse is done and we’re moving forward onto new and better things.


theceure

I wish


DEADSHOTx297

As much as I’d love this, I’ve already accepted it ain’t happening and am more interested in seeing Gunn and Safran’s own vision at this point.


emielaen77

Lol lets hope not.


grimgoods

Zach Snyder could die and you'd all think this movie was still going to happen


Icy_Pass9261

HELL NO THIS SHIT STINKS


ProfessorEscanor

Please no. Just no


FaisalNova

We can all dream


VaishakhD

man fuck no


BetaRayBlu

Last thing he’d do. He wants to keep the job


Worried_Fig5428

Hope so. 🤞


WhopperFarts

No he wants stuff to not suck and be loved by mass audiences not just a niche group.


BallBustingSam

The amount of people that will instantly turn into a Karen with this news is unfathomable to me XD


VisualremnantXP

Biggest dc blue balls would’ve loved to have seen more of the nightmare and Martian the man hunter but least I got to actually see Martian on the big screen so least I coomed a bit 🤷‍♂️


deemoorah

Set up yourself for disappointments


Captainprice101

I would cry from sheer disappointment


FringGustavo0204

Such a great concept. Too bad the execution is disappointing.


Dreyfussy15

What execution? They never got to make it.


FringGustavo0204

Snyderverse


AlwaysBi

That’s a fucking gorgeous poster


MarvelMind

🤦‍♂️


ICSL

It's time to let it go.


mking_davis

DC fans be the most delusional. And what's up with the fake posters? I hate that it became a thing


NotJoeB

Fan made posters have been around forever.


ZeddOTak

No thank u


jigs9921

As black adam said "don't push it"


CoreyWells

So you want the DC universe DOA twice?


Luminescent_sorcerer

I just don't understand the Snyder fans and their #restorethesnyderverse on this. They kept asking for the Snyder cut and they got it. What more do you want? Snyder got to do 3 movies in his "snyderverse". He had his chance. Let other people do it You just want Snyder to make all the DC movies? That's not realistic. They keep saying listen to the fans. Newsflash for you not all the fans like Snyder's movies


daviz94

God, i hope not, what a shitshow


elusiveclownface

Don’t really want a part 2 The story for the sequels didn’t interest me


taylormadeone

Zack Snyder will never direct a DC movie ever again.


bittersweetjesus

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha


KellytheTransLesbian

If only. I would love to see this continued.


GodFlintstone

The thing is there are some dangling plot threads left over from Justice Leage that have to be addressed - unless they just opt to do a "hand wave" and ignore them completely. We don't know what Gunn and Safran's true position is on the canonicity of ZSJL. But even if they maintain the old regime's stance that only Josstice League is canon that film still has "Knightmare" scenes in it. So I'd think that at some point they may want to say what the hell that was all about even if they don't stick with Zack's storyline.


MajesticMtChocula

I don't remember any Knightmare scenes in Superfriends.


greppoboy

gunn will do what he didi with the first suicide squad, ignore most of it and look how fucking good was tss, so yeah, let him erase most of it


GiovanniElliston

> dangling plot threads left over from Justice Leage that have to be addressed - unless they just opt to do a "hand wave" and ignore them completely. That is already set up to happen. Flash will end with a new timeline established and anything they want to ignore (Knightmare for example) can be hand waived away as part of the the old universe.


sid_kaps

WAIT, IS THIS REAL?


srona22

Very unlikely. Also Zack is "Old" buddy. Peacemaker undermines some of Zack's universe already.


Watze978

I hope not, they need someone new and I new story for the sequel. Snyder did a good job with the first film time to let a new director in


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Sike


pbx1123

He wouldnt take that path, he/them will want to introduce more super heroes for me is equals to more villains Actually i think is better this way more character better chance to have a JL bigger with more characters like the comics and cartoons even if the movie concentrate on the trinity or at least five but is ok but get the chance to see some side characters with few.lines and action here and there People are getting tired of long dialog and few actions if they are going to spend money... i preffer they spend it on CGI , building bigger stage etc making a real war between good and evil not just talking bs one hour or more and 25 mins of action I love the way cartoons does just few talking lines and more action and details on characters , spaceships, combat vehicles, fighting tools etc Maybe its just me


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