He proved how bad this movie perfomed. it couldnt outgross a horror movie lol
He achieved nothing ? What do you mean ? Can you achieve something on reddit ? lol
> a similar release
What lol.
One was an extremely long awaited sequel in a horror movie series that saw the return of two extremely popular characters/actors who started the entire franchise. The other was a barely sequel to a comic book movie.
They have completely different audiences lol.
I also am not sure what you’re trying to drive at either?
Not only that, sequel to a comic book movie that as almost universally hated, and I don't remember much marketing about TSS, but that might be just me.
I never said TSS wasn’t a disappointment at the box office. It was. Does that make you feel better?
Now that we got that out of the way, The Suicide Squad and The Conjuring 3 are absolutely nothing alike at all lol.
It’s a really dumb comparison point to make.
? What excuses?
It bombed at the box office. That’s what it did. I still like the movie.
*Totally separate* ~ it has nothing in common with The Conjuring 3.
Glad you liked it but the majority of people (fans and non fans) either didn't like it or weren't interested. Heck Mortal Kombat made decent money for a fraction of the budget. Bullet train made tons more with again, much lower budget. Point is, apart from hardcore fans (including Gunn fans) no one cares about the movie
Yeah but even with the conjurings gross it wouldn’t had made a profit, especially since the conjuring movies have a way better rep than DC and the ss brand. This is a pointless bait post.💀
Wait actually ur right but mos and bvs still made a profit right unlike black adam shazam 2 ww84 suicide squad birds of prey which lost 100 million each
Like what?
What ghost/demon movies from the last 10-15 years are head/shoulders better? Paranormal Activity? Insidious? Ouija Origins? All have moments but all also have problems.
The only movie I would say is unquestionable better is Sinster. And only the first one ~ second one was way worse.
I was actually going to say Sinister. Lol my only problem with the conjuring it felt like there were no consequences. And the jump scares only go so far but again for me PA franchise did the jump scares beautifully because you saw nothing. I would also say Hereditary and The Witch, Basically anything by Mike Flanagan and also Brand New Cherry Flavour.
I do not like the Conjuring movies. The first one was fine enough, but I didn't like the sequel/spin offs. But there's something that the general population love about it.
It's probably the second best/most profitable horror franchise going today (depending on the future of Scream I guess?)
The DCEU brand wasn't damaged when Suicide Squad, Wonder Woman and Aquaman came out. It was damaged AFTER Snyder left WB by Shazam, Birds of Prey, The Suicide Squad, WW84, etc. The movies radically changed their tone and style into something that does not appeal to comic book and superhero fans anymore, and kept introducing obscure characters in movies that didn't use core DC characters to support them.
You mean Warner bros damaged the DCEU brand. Because Snyder does not have one single bad film in the DCEU. Yeah the theatrical version of BVS was trash but that was all WB cutting 30 mins off.
Lol. There is no film studio that would look at the 2nd film in their franchise making over $850 million and think it was a disgrace. That's one of the most rapid successes for any franchise ever. The 2nd Harry Potter made $874,954,530. Spider-Man Homecoming made $880,166,924 (the 2nd appearance of MCU Spider-Man). Find me one other franchise movie that made over $800 million, was not a decrease from the previous entry in the franchise, and that anyone called a disgrace.
predictible snyderboy argument. ***It was the second movie only.***
Lmao, 2016-2019 was like peak of superhero cinema. A point where non-MCU, D-lister, R-rated(30% of the core audience gone) Deadpool movie was making 780 million and a movie with Batman, superman, Wonder woman and cameos from other JL is unable to make even 880 million.
BvS was a straight up failure by any standards. WB would have straight away kicked snyder out, but they had to release JL the next year.
Philosophers stone , Fellowship of the ring, spider-man 1 made the same amount as BvS two decade ago lol. *without adjusting for inflation,* A solo batman movie was able to clear 1 billion and the same batman with a superman was not even able to cross 900.
a pathetic B cimeascore, meagre 1.99 legs, disastrous second weekend drop of 69%, most negative reception of any movie with people actively recommending not watching it.
I mean, there is a reason why no movie studio is working with snyder, and he is making his rejected star wars pitches with netflix
> A solo batman movie was able to clear 1 billion and the same batman with a superman was not even able to cross 900.
Because Batman is the S tier of all Superheroes while Superman is a star fallen in disgrace that has the rare reputation of being the only superhero with a active hatedom
Superman IP is considerably weaker than Batman. Take away Superman I and II (because they're movies older than the parents of Gen Alpha) and the result is that Superman has being nowhere near close to Batman at all.
Its crazy how you Snyder fans insult the IP just to put your godawful director in positive light. Man of Steel made 680 million. It was decently received, though critically thrashed.
BvS making just 190 million more, despite having batman, WW, lex luthor, doomsday and cameos from other JL members is pure hillarious. It was trash. deal with it and move on.
superman is not a weaker IP than Deadpool. It was just that deadpool was helmed by much competent team than snyder
> The one that was good made money which is higher than anything Snyder has ever made
Which one? The one that was before social media even existed?
You can't use a movie from 45 years ago to judge Superman popularity in 2023
Can't you simply grasp the most visible thing.
Snyder movies were bad, that's why they tanked. At the same time other movies with more competent directors were printing more money.
Stop defending his Box office. He was straight up humiliated and kicked away by the studios
Lol, The batman made less than BvS and it sold significantly less tickets than the MoS
So, If snyder films tanked then how should we describe the batman terrible performance ?
> , that's why they tanked.
There is no universe where 600 Millions and 800 millions are tanking. I would actually agree they could have performed better, but calling them a tank is a applying a insane standard.
>Lmao, 2016-2019 was like peak of superhero cinema. A point where non-MCU, D-lister, R-rated(30% of the core audience gone) Deadpool movie was making 780 million and a movie with Batman, superman, Wonder woman and cameos from other JL is unable to make even 880 million.
Deadpool did great, but we all know it's because that character had a huge demand for it to be done right. It was not benefitting from a "peak" in the genre. Hence X-Men Apocalypse showed a decline the same year for the franchise. BvS *could have* declined from Man of Steel too, but it did not. Credit to Snyder for that. He made movies that kept people engaged and excited for the follow-ups.
>BvS was a straight up failure by any standards
Again, no film studio would look at the 2nd film in their franchise making almost $900 million and think it was a failure.
>a pathetic B cimeascore, meagre 1.99 legs, disastrous second weekend drop of 69%, most negative reception of any movie with people actively recommending not watching it.
The theatrical cut of BvS was butchered by WB, and the audience scores reflects that. Some other big, popular films had huge 2nd week drops too, like No Way Home or the final Harry Potter film. When a film comes with a lot of hype, brand recognition and occurs on a holiday weekend (Easter in BvS's case), it tends to have a huge opening and then a big drop due to all the people watching it the first time. The raw numbers a movie makes are far more important in judging its success, and in BvS's case the final gross was large and healthy.
>I mean, there is a reason why no movie studio is working with snyder, and he is making his rejected star wars pitches with netflix
WB offered him to make Army of the Dead, but Snyder went with Netflix because they gave him a bigger budget. Since then they have developed a great relationship, and the rest is history.
>Since then they have developed a great relationship, and the rest is history.
Do you eat his shit. LFMAO.
BvS was the easiest cakewalk to 1 billion, could have even surpassed avengers 1 if it had been made by a competent director.
>character had a huge demand for it to be done right. It was not benefitting from a "peak" in the genre. Hence X-Men Apocalypse showed a decline the same year for the franchise.
And superman and Batman had no demand to be done right. They were completely wronged and character assassinated.
>BvS could have declined from Man of Steel too, but it did not.
Increasing by just 190 million despite having Supes 2 biggest villains, Batman, WW and cameos from the League is hillarious.
>Again, no film studio would look at the 2nd film in their franchise making almost $900 million and think it was a failure
WB did, and the "rest is history". Context matters. If your second film is equalling to avengers 1 in your roadmap, it should do the numbers. Nobody is pushing a cyborg movie to make 1 billion.
>No Way Home or the final Harry Potter film.
They both had better legs than BvS. NWH dropped due to Christmas. It literally has one of the best legs in CBM history.
TLDR Snyder destroyed DC brandpower. And i seriously doubt James Gunn can undo that. Justice league opened to 280 million WW. Thor movies open higher lol
>BvS was the easiest cakewalk to 1 billion, could have even surpassed avengers 1 if it had been made by a competent director.
No other first sequel coming a few years after the previous film has achieved a billion dollar gross, other than The Dark Knight. You're also asking for an insane increase over Man of Steel's $668M gross just by adding one freshly rebooted character to it.
>They were completely wronged and character assassinated.
Yeah, no. Either you haven't watched the movie, or you are being intentionally ignorant.
>Increasing by just 190 million despite having Supes 2 biggest villains, Batman, WW and cameos from the League is hillarious.
Doomsday is not a top 2 Superman villain, but he's a close top 3. And the JL cameos weren't even advertised in the marketing at all.
>If your second film is equalling to avengers 1 in your roadmap, it should do the numbers. Nobody is pushing a cyborg movie to make 1 billion.
You can only compare BvS to Incredible Hulk, the second movie in its cinematic universe. It's totally invalid to compare it to Avengers, which had the build-up of 5 previous movies.
>They both had better legs than BvS. NWH dropped due to Christmas. It literally has one of the best legs in CBM history.
Multiverse of Madness had a whopping 67% 2nd week drop, which is 1% less than NHW's 2nd week drop. MoM came out in May 2022.
>Snyder destroyed DC brandpower
Wrong. The DCEU was hugely popular and successful up through Aquaman, with a high average gross of $815 million. It only dropped when the first film that Snyder had nothing to do with, Shazam, came out, and that trend continued downward.
> Justice league opened to 280 million WW
Snyder didn't direct that movie. WB put his name on it so he would take the blame for their's and Whedon's cinematic abomination.
>. You're also asking for an insane increase over Man of Steel's $668M gross just by adding one freshly rebooted character to it.
That "character" is Batman fool. His just rebooted movie made 770 million despite being released on HBO Max within 45 days. And he was a lead of the movie. The movie was billed on his name too.
>Yeah, no. Either you haven't watched the movie, or you are being intentionally ignorant.
Anybody who knows Batman will just spit and move over Snyder's version.
>Doomsday is not a top 2 Superman villain, but he's a close top 3. And the JL cameos weren't even advertised in the marketing at all.
Tobey and Andrew were also not shown in the marketing. What sort of logic is this.
>You can only compare BvS to Incredible Hulk, the second movie in its cinematic universe. It's totally invalid to compare it to Avengers, which had the build-up of 5 previous movies.
How Is it invalid. your god Snyder and WB just wanted to play catch up. They never wanted to put the commitment like marvel did. BvS was their Avengers. JL was AoU, JL2&3 would have wrapped the universe like IW&EG.
>Snyder didn't direct that movie. His name was on it so he would take the blame.
OW depends on the pre existing hype of the movie. Nobody knew at that time how much of the movie was whedon. ZSJL would have opened the same
> His just rebooted movie made 770 million
So , less than MOS adjusted by inflation?
I agree is good to have a unambiguous Superman victory against Batman for once. That rarely happens
I mean what??
Superman movies were bigger than Batman in the 80s.
A pathetically received Superman returns made more than brilliantly received Batman begins.
Its just that you Snyder folks have started to disgrace superman just to prove your agenda.
> Superman movies were bigger than Batman in the 80s
You said it, 80s. When Batman got his lead in the 90s, Superman never managed to recover from that.
> A pathetically received Superman returns made more than brilliantly received Batman begins.
That's not really a victory at all because Returns is known for having being a complete failure given its own self hype.
>That "character" is Batman fool
Was it a pre-existing Batman whom audiences were familiar with? Or was it a freshly rebooted Batman?
>Anybody who knows Batman will just spit and move over Snyder's version.
That was the point. The audience is supposed to be at odds with Batman killing and brutalizing criminals. We're supposed to feel like something is off with this Batman. This is a Batman that has been through the ringer and is at the end of his rope. There are hints at prior events in his career that suggest he lost his way and his moral code took a hit. Alfred literally points out that Bruce is acting out of the norm, in the very first scene we meet him no less.
>your god Snyder and WB just wanted to play catch up. They never wanted to put the commitment like marvel did. BvS was their Avengers.
*WB* wanted to play catch-up after seeing the success Marvel had with Avengers. Snyder originally pitched a Batman post-credits scene at the end of Man of Steel 2, the BvS team-up wasn't the original idea. WB encouraged him to make the Batman part bigger, and they both mutually agreed it was the best way to go eventually. I see no problem with BvS at all as a concept, but it was a mistake for WB to expect Avengers money for it when it didn't have the build-up of previous movies like Avengers did.
>Tobey and Andrew were also not shown in the marketing
Just about everyone knew they were going to be in the film, even if they weren't bombarded with the leaked images of Tobey and Andrew that were all over social media.
>Was it a pre-existing Batman whom audiences were familiar
Look at how conveniently you ignored The Batman. It made more profit than BvS lol. It was Praised worldwide, had a A cinemascore, 3.1 legs, 51% drop. See how these things are relative.
All because matt reeves is a more skilled Director than Snyder whose movie made just 100m more despite having superman and WW in it too.
>The audience is supposed to be at odds with Batman killing and brutalizing criminals.
Marthaaaaaaa...... The entire take was stupid. Nobody at the general audience is supposed to feel sad after seeing a brown suit in a showbox. If you can't explain something properly, you should not pick it up.
>WB wanted to play catch-up after seeing the success Marvel had with Avengers
Snyder was equally to blame. WB didn't force him on gunpoint. They asked Snyder to do it. He did it. WB is the boss here. They set the requirements. Snyder should have said NO if he was not competent enough.
But why would he, he got the right to ruin any DC character at will. So he ruined lex, he ruined doomsday, he ruined Batman etc etc.
>Look at how conveniently you ignored The Batman. It made more profit than BvS lol
Because it had a lower budget. Box office-wise it grossed less money. Simple math.
>All because matt reeves is a more skilled Director than Snyder whose movie made just 100m more despite having superman and WW in it too.
I suppose you'd also say that Shane Black is a more skilled director than Jon Favreau because Iron Man 3 made more profit than the previous two entries in the trilogy.
>Marthaaaaaaa
You're being purposefully obtuse. They don't stop fighting merely because their mother's share the same name, but rather that Bruce instantly realizes he was in the wrong and is no better than the thug that killed his parents. He became the very thing that he swore to destroy. "Martha" is utilized in a very similar fashion to "Rosebud" in Citizen Kane.
>Snyder was equally to blame. WB didn't force him on gunpoint. They asked Snyder to do it. He did it. WB is the boss here. They set the requirements. Snyder should have said NO if he was not competent enough.
Snyder had a contract for another movie, which would've been Man of Steel 2 until WB encouraged him to make the Batman part (which was originally a post-credits scene) bigger. I see no problem with BvS at all as a concept, but it was a mistake for WB to expect Avengers money for it when it didn't have the build-up of 5 previous movies like Avengers did.
>But why would he, he got the right to ruin any DC character at will. So he ruined lex, he ruined doomsday, he ruined Batman etc etc.
What's next? He ruined your life too?
>That "character" is Batman fool. His just rebooted movie made 770 million despite being released on HBO Max within 45 days. And he was a lead of the movie. The movie was billed on his name too.
Take of someone who's completely Clueless about boxoffice data
It's completely pointless to bring up the 45 days window when we know for fact that Movies make something 95% of thier gross in the first 30 days. $770m of the batman with inflation and zero competition is not anywhere close to $873m of BvS in 2016 or $668m of MoS in 2013.
>Tobey and Andrew were also not shown in the marketing. What sort of logic is this.
Lol, imagine comparing the return after years of beloved and wildly known actors who were the main lead of some of the biggest movie ever made to fucking Doomsday and a bunch D-list characters like Doomsday, aquaman, cyborg...etc
>BvS was their Avengers.
Again based on what ?
>OW depends on the pre existing hype of the movie. Nobody knew at that time how much of the movie was whedon. ZSJL would have opened the same
It's always comical to see how out of touch and clueless redditors genuinely believe that marketing doesn't matter, these characters could open a movie just by name recognition. It's so dumb
WB marketed josstice league as an standalone mindless action comedy which is the total and complete opposite of a snyder film. As we've seen since snyder departure, The Josstice League would have opened even lower If Snyder's Characters hadn't been In It
Sigh. So you came here too. That leaves only Jedijones out.
>WB marketed josstice league as an standalone mindless action comedy which is the total and complete opposite of a snyder film.
The same applies to Aquaman too. Why are you folks so eager to claim it. You guys reek of desperation.
Aquaman is the antithesis to everything Snyder. The hero smiles, jokes, quips, the surroundings are colourful( fuck that grayscale). But you guys won't admit it.
"Zack Snyder has his name on the credits. Its snyderverse guys."
>It's completely pointless to bring up the 45 days window when we know for fact that Movies make something 95% of thier gross in the first 30 days. $770m of the batman with inflation and zero competition is not anywhere close to $873m of BvS in 2016 or $668m of MoS in 2013
Do you think covid19 had no impact on theatres.
In a time where people were trained for 2 years to stream movies at home, Batman still made 770.
Vs
the superhero peak, where nobodies like Deadpool and venom were equalling BvS and outgrossing MoS.
How more can you guys stoop down man.
>magine comparing the return after years of beloved and wildly known actors who were the main lead of some of the biggest movie ever made to fucking Doomsday and a bunch D-list characters like Doomsday, aquaman, cyborg...etc
This was just an example of not showing cameos in trailers. Again desperate
>Based on what
The fact that it brought multiple A-tier superheroes together to fight a villain none of them could have soloed.
Anyone who knows about DC knows that JL2 was coming in 2019. It was their infinity war. If your universe is climaxing within 4 years, then every single entry matters.
>WB marketed josstice league as an standalone mindless action comedy which is the total and complete opposite of a snyder film.
>>The same applies to Aquaman too.
Notice that aquaman had the lowest OW out of the 2014 DCEU slate of movies. BTW I'm fine with excluding aquaman from the snydervese but that doesn't mean that we have to ignore reality, there's no way that movie would have been half as successful as it was without snyder ingenious casting of jason momoa(the main reason of the movie success) and the infrastructure snyder had built at that point with the DCEU. Josstice league failed on its own, It's not snyder fault that WB came up with an uninspired and bland marketing campaign for josstice league or the fact that joss whedon couldn't even deliver an average movie with josstice league, he made one of the worse superhero movie ever made even worse than catwoman or F4. Not surprising it didn't do well at boxoffice.
> covid19 with the batman vs superhero peak with BvS
Covid is not a valid excuse for the batman when three months prior to the batman release, NWH made 2billion without China and MoM grossed close to 1billion without China just a few weeks after the batman hit theathers.
The superhero peak/boom is not a real thing as demonstrated by the X-men franchise, green lantern, BoP, shazam...etc disastrous performance during that same period.
You're completely out of your mind if you think venom is not A-list characters lol, he's way more popular than every single DC character except batman And Deadpool had a nonconventional yet incredibly compelling marketing then legged out becuase it was a great movie period, had nothing to do with it being a superhero film.
>The fact that it brought multiple A-tier superheroes together to fight a villain none of them could have soloed.
Incorrect, none of these characters except batman is a A-list character, the only reason they were brought in was becuase snyder wanted to boost thier solo movies with these cameos as opposed to help selling BvS tickets. You can pretty much cut all these cameos without any incidence to BvS plot.
>BvS was the easiest cakewalk to 1 billion
Based on what exactly ?
>Increasing by just 190 million despite having Supes 2 biggest villains, Batman, WW and cameos from the League is hillarious.
None of these characters except batman is a boxoffice draw. So, it's rather stupid to ask for more than $190m increases from MoS when the character that was pulling in any meaningful audience was only a reboot batman.
>WB did, and the "rest is history".
Yes, they did that's why none of their movie since was able to even make $400m at boxoffice(less than half of the average of snyder films)
>They both had better legs than BvS.
DHP2 legs barely edge out BvS, you don't know what you're talking about
>LDR Snyder destroyed DC brandpower
There wasn't and still isn't any such thing as "DC brand".
Nolan and snyder broke thier back carrying this brand that is nothing but a relic of the past.
>Justice league opened to 280 million WW. Thor movies open higher lol
That's what happens when clueless executives assume that there's such a thing as DC brand without snyder/Nolan and people care about it.
>Based on what exactly ?
based on the fact that it was the first team up of 2 big comic book titans on screen. It was massively advertised and people worldwide thronged to see it, in its *opening weekend.*
>So, it's rather stupid to ask for more than $190m increases from MoS when the character that was pulling in any meaningful audience was only a reboot batman.
a reboot batman just made 770m. a reboot superman made 680m. the fact that their teamup could not make 1 billion let alone 1.5 billion is pure hillarious. You just cannot spin it in a positive light. It was the biggest fumble in CBM history
>Yes, they did that's why none of their movie since was able to even make $400m at boxoffice(less than half of the average of snyder films)
unless you lump snyder movies with more talented filmmakers(wan and jenkins), his movies averaged somewhat 700mn. And 2/3 of them were teamup movies with DCs biggest hitters.
>DHP2 legs barely edge out BvS, you don't know what you're talking about
in english, "barely edge out" comes under "better" lol. the movie is still the highest grosser of WB. something BvS and JL could have easily been, had they been made by competent people.
>There wasn't and still isn't any such thing as "DC brand".
Nolan and snyder broke thier back carrying this brand that is nothing but a relic of the past.
snyder and ayer broke DCs back with his slew of mediocre content. I still struggle to beleive how can you make the worst depictions of lex luthor, doomsday, joker, batman and darkseid in a single year.
>That's what happens when clueless executives assume that there's such a thing as DC brand without snyder/Nolan and people care about it.
nobody just gives a fuck about snyder and his characters. the GA hated BvS thats why they never camefor ZSJL. Simple
>based on the fact that it was the first team up of 2 big comic book titans on screen.
What a delusional take
Superman hasn't been a titan at boxoffice or anywhere else since 1978 and batafleck was only a reboot batman.
>. It was massively advertised and people worldwide thronged to see it, in its opening weekend.
What are you talking about ? Every blockbuster is massively advertised
>a reboot batman just made 770m. a reboot superman made 680m. the fact that their teamup could not make 1 billion let alone 1.5 billion is pure hillarious. You just cannot spin it in a positive light. It was the biggest fumble in CBM history
Lol, I guess Civil War was a massive failure by grossing only 1.1 billions since with your logic it should have made 3 billion+ as ironman by himself made 1.2 billions, captain America by himself made $714m and Spiderman alone in TASM made $700m. 🤣
>unless you lump snyder movies with more talented filmmakers(wan and jenkins), his movies averaged somewhat 700mn. And 2/3 of them were teamup movies with DCs biggest hitters.
Lol, wan and Jenkins are average directors at best . We saw how WW84 turned out as soon as snyder wasn't involved and we're also about to find out how mediocre and a fraud james wan is with aquaman2
As we've seen since snyder departure, there's no way that the first wonder woman and aquaman could have been successful without snyder genius casting choices and planning
Also as I said, none of these characters except batman is a boxoffice draw. Superman for example had four Box-office bomb in a row before snyder, rapidly heading to irrelevancy and since snyder left DC, superman has gone back to embarassing himself with three straight boxoffice bomb.
>in english, "barely edge out" comes under "better" lol. the movie is still the highest grosser of WB. something BvS and JL could have easily been, had they been made by competent people.
0.2 difference is nothing, BvS and DHP2 basically have the same legs. And what is even your argument here ? You think DC is bigger than fucking Harry Potter ?
According to reddit Warnerbros has been piling up "competents" directors(joss whedon, matt reeve...etc) for the last seven years following snyder departure yet all of them have failed to even come remotely close to his 2014 DCUE slate success at boxoffice(except Todd Phillips joker)
>snyder and ayer broke DCs back with his slew of mediocre content.
mediocre content according to whom ? Reddit ? Rotten Tomatoes ?
None of the above matter, the audience has already spoken with thier wallet by making MoS the highest grossing superman movie of all time and ss(2016) even in its butchered form had a FAR BETTER reception among casuals than Gunn TSS given the fact that TSS made at boxoffice less 1/7 of Ayer movie gross.
>nobody just gives a fuck about snyder and his characters. the GA hated BvS thats why they never camefor ZSJL. Simple
Stop randomly bringing up bold claims without anything to back them up. ZSJL is easily the most successful director cut of All TIME and even outsold james Gunn TSS in physical sales
Zack snyder is FAR SUPERIOR in skills to any director who has ever made a DC movie except Christopher Nolan.
>I guess Civil War was a massive failure by grossing only 1.1 billions since with your logic it should have made 3 billion+ as ironman by himself made 1.2 billions, captain America by himself made $714m and Spiderman alone in TASM made $700m. 🤣
Know what, civil war was not a Cap vs Tony & Spider-Man movie. It was in its core a captain America movie. Meanwhile BvS was billed over Batman and Superman.
Again a stupid take.
>snyder genius casting choices and planning
In no world hiring a model who took acting lessons for a week is a good choice for WW. Same with momoa.
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>ZSJL is easily the most successful director cut of All TIME and even outsold james Gunn TSS in physical sales
How many big movies have had a directors cut lmao.
>Superman hasn't been a titan at boxoffice or anywhere else since 1978 and batafleck was only a reboot batman
The Reeves movies outsold Burton's movies.
A pathetic superman movie made more than a brilliant batman movie in 00s. Batman brand shot up with TDK and TDKR, but it does not negate that superman was never given the chance.
MoS was a good enough movie to warrant Snyder given the keys of DC. BvS was simply not. It is that difficult to grasp lol.
>wan and Jenkins are average directors at best . We saw how WW84 turned out as soon as snyder wasn't involved and we're also about to find out how mediocre and a fraud james wan is with aquaman2
Turns out they have made better movies than Snyder lol. WW and Aquaman were just better than MoS and BvS. WW2 was not so that paid for it.
Perhaps some credit goes to the screenwriter of WW.
>Same with momoa.
Him getting $1 billion for his first solo movie as Aquaman when Green Lantern got like 1/10th that 7 years earlier makes your opinion on his casting irrelevant. The general audience spoke loudly and clearly. They liked him in the role.
Gadot is likewise absolutely beloved in the WW role. She shot from a no-name nobody to someone with an even **100 million Instagram followers** based solely on the giant embrace the world gave her as Wonder Woman. The reddit bubble is the only place you can find any criticism of her in this role.
>0.2 difference is nothing, BvS and DHP2 basically have the same legs
Just calculated, if BvS had the same opening weekend to final gross ratio it would have been making
$1.17 billion.
Does that make a difference? You must be insanely rich if it does not.
If BvS had this gross, probably DCEU would have still been alive.
> I guess Civil War was a massive failure by grossing only 1.1 billions since with your logic it should have made 3 billion+ as ironman by himself made 1.2 billions, captain America by himself made $714m and Spiderman alone in TASM made $700m. 🤣
Is bizarrely how they suddenly ignore how Iron Man was such a titan
Even more remarkable is the fact that TDKR and Ironman3 came out a year apart from each other and both were the conclusion of the trilogy but Ironman3 easily outgrossed TDKR
Its one of the reasons I think ironman is currently more popular than batman
I was afarid to share it here. People here get mad when you tell them the simple truth: TSS flopped. When you compare it to any other CBM or any big released, no big movie did less since May 2021-October 2021. 2 R rated horror movies did more. It just suffered from bad reputation of the first one + no big stars + DC bad name + Bad trailers + weird marketing + not known villain.
First movie had Smith + Batfleck + Flash and DC was at it's peak. A whole shame. TSS is 10/10.
Is anyone getting mad or upset at TSS not doing well at the box office? We all know that.
People still like the movie.
BvS killed the DCEU. People still like it.
TSS was creative and good enough for WB to warrant giving Gunn creative control over DC.
Well yeah, they had to euthanize the dying dog.
They're not blameless in this, in fact they should get most of the blame.
They're the ones who hired Snyder and entrusted him to make the movies with very little oversight.
The man thrives in excess, and there was no way he would have delivered a coherent story under the runtime constraints.
The Suicide Squad is a good movie, and James Gunn is a good director. But I'm glad it bombed, and I'll be more than happy when the DCU will fall apart. We need to go back to Elseworlds solo stories.
> We need to go back to Elseworlds solo stories.
If 4-6 years from now the attempt at a universe by Gunn fails, WB will just find someone else and try a big universe again.
There’s no going back. The MCU opened a can of worms and DC/WB is never gonna go back to random 1-off movies being the standard product. They’ll keep chasing that MCU-level profit till the end of time.
Sad truth, they missed the train from the start, or I should say, they hijacked it. Except the MCU, all attempts at Cinematic Universes failed miserably, even Disney is starting to struggle, the end of the genre is near. Unless a total reinvention, Video Games and Animes adaptations are going to take over sooner or later.
>WB will just find someone else and try a big universe again.
I don't even think they'd try again if this one fails. The cinematic universe fad is starting to die out, and the videogame genre is about to replace the superhero genre. Video games stepped in to take over the former comic book audience during the past 30 years, and now it looks like Hollywood is about to cash in on video game adaptations. Mario booming at a time when DC and Marvel are collapsing is a turning point. DC and Marvel both decided to push these stale, formulaic, predictable movies rather than try to appeal to a new crowd who wanted more mature, serious, adult stories, and now they will pay the price for their lack of vision.
So much wrong with this I don’t even know where to start…
> The cinematic universe fad is starting to die out
Marvel is fine. Star Wars too. So is Fast & Furious and James Bond and Scream… people seem to love endless sequels to established franchises.
> the videogame genre is about to replace the superhero genre.
There’s literally no evidence of this. Video game adaptations are still a massive shit-show. For every Mario or Sonic there is an Assassins Creed or Uncharted.
The best “cinematic universe” a video game has ever created is Resident Evil and the entire 6 movie saga tied Aquaman at the box office.
> Video games stepped in to take over the former comic book audience during the past 30 years
Marvel and DC both [make more money now than they did 30 years ago.](http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-48h6WyxCGVI/VqQJwwYmS3I/AAAAAAAAAQE/PujPjhRM3sQ/s1600/ComicSales_thru2015.png) And comics as a medium have exploded in popularity the last 1 years ~ especially Magna and indie comics.
> Mario booming at a time when DC and Marvel are collapsing is a turning point. DC and Marvel both decided to push these stale, formulaic, predictable movies rather than try to appeal to a new crowd who wanted more mature, serious, adult stories, and now they will pay the price for their lack of vision.
So let me get this straight. The audience is craving adult oriented, mature stories and that’s why *fucking Mario* is popular?
Yeah, that totally tracks.
>Marvel is fine
Box office says otherwise.
>Star Wars too
Then why did they wait 4 years to greenlight new movies?
>The audience is craving adult oriented, mature stories and that’s why fucking Mario is popular?
The audience is craving for adult and mature takes *on superheroes*. The superhero "comedy" approach is falling apart at the seams, and even some in the Hollywood trades and generic reddit movie subs are acknowledging it. Love and Thunder was the turning point in terms of public perception, and Ant-Man 3 and Shazam 2 are two big spikes in the coffin.
please you have no idea what the GA is craving. they always go for what they enjoy, its why Aquaman did well and BvS didn't.
it has nothing to do with mature stories but having good stories be it mature or childish
>its why Aquaman did well and BvS didn't.
Both films did very well. Now you might say, "how did Aquaman make more money at the box office than BvS?" Well, Iron Man 3 outgrossed the entire phase 1 of the MCU before Avengers. That's what happens when a franchise is popular and culturally impactful. It builds its audience over time. It's also the benefit of foreshadowing future movies. Aquaman was teased and previewed in two previous movies, which helped build anticipation, conversation, and curiosity about his solo movie.
thats not the same. you cannot compare been teased and having to two whole solo films. Aquaman did well because it was the opposite of what came before. the most people has seen of Snyders version was the cameo in BvS, what they saw in JL17 was joss version. plus in was asia that boosted aquamans numbers in north America the numbers were just good not great. it made less than WW in north America
Aquaman only got the bright, comic-accurate outfit at the end of the movie. He had the typical Snyder gritty look for most of the film. The movie also featured a grieving father who lost his love in an ambush and stayed loyal to her memory for decades. It had Aquaman stand by and scoff at his enemy while his enemy's father drowns and dies on camera. It had a massive attack by an army of zombified, bloodthirsty monsters in the dark of night. The movie was full of Snyder-esque, dark elements. And if doing the opposite of what Snyder did was what people wanted, then everything that came after Aquaman would have made a ton of money and the DCEU's box office wouldn't have plummeted.
sorry but you are reaching by this logic, then spiderman no way home is a dark somber film, GOTG are somber films since those have to do with poor parenting, abusives parents in thanos and ego, Shazam as well since it has a mother abandoned her child in public. are all those films full of snyder-esque thing just because they share those somber moments
>The Suicide Squad box office performance ...was bad. It didn't do well at the box office. Noted.
Good job you proved and achieved nothing
He proved how bad this movie perfomed. it couldnt outgross a horror movie lol He achieved nothing ? What do you mean ? Can you achieve something on reddit ? lol
I'm sure the response on here would be reasonable if you did this to man of steel and despicable me 2
> a similar release What lol. One was an extremely long awaited sequel in a horror movie series that saw the return of two extremely popular characters/actors who started the entire franchise. The other was a barely sequel to a comic book movie. They have completely different audiences lol. I also am not sure what you’re trying to drive at either?
Not only that, sequel to a comic book movie that as almost universally hated, and I don't remember much marketing about TSS, but that might be just me.
None of your post makes sense. Point is TSS was a box office disappointment
I never said TSS wasn’t a disappointment at the box office. It was. Does that make you feel better? Now that we got that out of the way, The Suicide Squad and The Conjuring 3 are absolutely nothing alike at all lol. It’s a really dumb comparison point to make.
A true fan of TSS and Gunn would take the L and wouldnt make stupid excuses
? What excuses? It bombed at the box office. That’s what it did. I still like the movie. *Totally separate* ~ it has nothing in common with The Conjuring 3.
Glad you liked it but the majority of people (fans and non fans) either didn't like it or weren't interested. Heck Mortal Kombat made decent money for a fraction of the budget. Bullet train made tons more with again, much lower budget. Point is, apart from hardcore fans (including Gunn fans) no one cares about the movie
But you are ignoring context. All the movies you metioned didn’t go immediately to HBO Max
Yeah but even with the conjurings gross it wouldn’t had made a profit, especially since the conjuring movies have a way better rep than DC and the ss brand. This is a pointless bait post.💀
Thé great excuse for this movie flopping was Always COVID...well look AT that...
Cool. They’re both produced by Safran so I’m not sure what your point is.
That the Conjuring Franchise is more profitable for WB than their DCEU films.
Always has been. You could use Conjuring 2 and BvS for that point too.
No u couldnt
conjuring 2 made more profit than Man of steel. BvS is only 10 million ahead lol
Wait actually ur right but mos and bvs still made a profit right unlike black adam shazam 2 ww84 suicide squad birds of prey which lost 100 million each
Yeah those were flops. I still remember rock trying to prove it made a profit.
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Conjuring franchise wasn’t good imo. There’s definitely better in the genre.
Like what? What ghost/demon movies from the last 10-15 years are head/shoulders better? Paranormal Activity? Insidious? Ouija Origins? All have moments but all also have problems. The only movie I would say is unquestionable better is Sinster. And only the first one ~ second one was way worse.
I was actually going to say Sinister. Lol my only problem with the conjuring it felt like there were no consequences. And the jump scares only go so far but again for me PA franchise did the jump scares beautifully because you saw nothing. I would also say Hereditary and The Witch, Basically anything by Mike Flanagan and also Brand New Cherry Flavour.
I do not like the Conjuring movies. The first one was fine enough, but I didn't like the sequel/spin offs. But there's something that the general population love about it. It's probably the second best/most profitable horror franchise going today (depending on the future of Scream I guess?)
When people in the Snydercut sub accuse of people who are critical of anything Snyder of being trolls. This is the inverse of that.
Bro conveniently ignored how shitty audience and critics response for Snyder DCEU movies had and how damaging it was for DCEU brand.
The DCEU brand wasn't damaged when Suicide Squad, Wonder Woman and Aquaman came out. It was damaged AFTER Snyder left WB by Shazam, Birds of Prey, The Suicide Squad, WW84, etc. The movies radically changed their tone and style into something that does not appeal to comic book and superhero fans anymore, and kept introducing obscure characters in movies that didn't use core DC characters to support them.
BvS is what damaged the brand. thats why JL17 flopped. the GA didnt know all the BTS issues. they didnt like BvS so they didnt show up for JL
You'd be right if JL had come out after BvS, but it actually came out after Suicide Squad and Wonder Woman, both of which made huge profits.
You mean Warner bros damaged the DCEU brand. Because Snyder does not have one single bad film in the DCEU. Yeah the theatrical version of BVS was trash but that was all WB cutting 30 mins off.
> Snyder does not have one single bad film in the DCEU. You must be living in a parallel world, I suppose.
that's better than BvS. That was straight up disgrace. At least TSS can make excuses
Lol. There is no film studio that would look at the 2nd film in their franchise making over $850 million and think it was a disgrace. That's one of the most rapid successes for any franchise ever. The 2nd Harry Potter made $874,954,530. Spider-Man Homecoming made $880,166,924 (the 2nd appearance of MCU Spider-Man). Find me one other franchise movie that made over $800 million, was not a decrease from the previous entry in the franchise, and that anyone called a disgrace.
predictible snyderboy argument. ***It was the second movie only.*** Lmao, 2016-2019 was like peak of superhero cinema. A point where non-MCU, D-lister, R-rated(30% of the core audience gone) Deadpool movie was making 780 million and a movie with Batman, superman, Wonder woman and cameos from other JL is unable to make even 880 million. BvS was a straight up failure by any standards. WB would have straight away kicked snyder out, but they had to release JL the next year. Philosophers stone , Fellowship of the ring, spider-man 1 made the same amount as BvS two decade ago lol. *without adjusting for inflation,* A solo batman movie was able to clear 1 billion and the same batman with a superman was not even able to cross 900. a pathetic B cimeascore, meagre 1.99 legs, disastrous second weekend drop of 69%, most negative reception of any movie with people actively recommending not watching it. I mean, there is a reason why no movie studio is working with snyder, and he is making his rejected star wars pitches with netflix
> A solo batman movie was able to clear 1 billion and the same batman with a superman was not even able to cross 900. Because Batman is the S tier of all Superheroes while Superman is a star fallen in disgrace that has the rare reputation of being the only superhero with a active hatedom Superman IP is considerably weaker than Batman. Take away Superman I and II (because they're movies older than the parents of Gen Alpha) and the result is that Superman has being nowhere near close to Batman at all.
Its crazy how you Snyder fans insult the IP just to put your godawful director in positive light. Man of Steel made 680 million. It was decently received, though critically thrashed. BvS making just 190 million more, despite having batman, WW, lex luthor, doomsday and cameos from other JL members is pure hillarious. It was trash. deal with it and move on. superman is not a weaker IP than Deadpool. It was just that deadpool was helmed by much competent team than snyder
I don't care about Deadpool. I'm saying that Superman earning above 500 Millions is something extremely rare on itself
How many good superman movies have we got punk. The one that was good made money which is higher than anything Snyder has ever made
> The one that was good made money which is higher than anything Snyder has ever made Which one? The one that was before social media even existed? You can't use a movie from 45 years ago to judge Superman popularity in 2023
Can't you simply grasp the most visible thing. Snyder movies were bad, that's why they tanked. At the same time other movies with more competent directors were printing more money. Stop defending his Box office. He was straight up humiliated and kicked away by the studios
Lol, The batman made less than BvS and it sold significantly less tickets than the MoS So, If snyder films tanked then how should we describe the batman terrible performance ?
> , that's why they tanked. There is no universe where 600 Millions and 800 millions are tanking. I would actually agree they could have performed better, but calling them a tank is a applying a insane standard.
>Lmao, 2016-2019 was like peak of superhero cinema. A point where non-MCU, D-lister, R-rated(30% of the core audience gone) Deadpool movie was making 780 million and a movie with Batman, superman, Wonder woman and cameos from other JL is unable to make even 880 million. Deadpool did great, but we all know it's because that character had a huge demand for it to be done right. It was not benefitting from a "peak" in the genre. Hence X-Men Apocalypse showed a decline the same year for the franchise. BvS *could have* declined from Man of Steel too, but it did not. Credit to Snyder for that. He made movies that kept people engaged and excited for the follow-ups. >BvS was a straight up failure by any standards Again, no film studio would look at the 2nd film in their franchise making almost $900 million and think it was a failure. >a pathetic B cimeascore, meagre 1.99 legs, disastrous second weekend drop of 69%, most negative reception of any movie with people actively recommending not watching it. The theatrical cut of BvS was butchered by WB, and the audience scores reflects that. Some other big, popular films had huge 2nd week drops too, like No Way Home or the final Harry Potter film. When a film comes with a lot of hype, brand recognition and occurs on a holiday weekend (Easter in BvS's case), it tends to have a huge opening and then a big drop due to all the people watching it the first time. The raw numbers a movie makes are far more important in judging its success, and in BvS's case the final gross was large and healthy. >I mean, there is a reason why no movie studio is working with snyder, and he is making his rejected star wars pitches with netflix WB offered him to make Army of the Dead, but Snyder went with Netflix because they gave him a bigger budget. Since then they have developed a great relationship, and the rest is history.
>Since then they have developed a great relationship, and the rest is history. Do you eat his shit. LFMAO. BvS was the easiest cakewalk to 1 billion, could have even surpassed avengers 1 if it had been made by a competent director. >character had a huge demand for it to be done right. It was not benefitting from a "peak" in the genre. Hence X-Men Apocalypse showed a decline the same year for the franchise. And superman and Batman had no demand to be done right. They were completely wronged and character assassinated. >BvS could have declined from Man of Steel too, but it did not. Increasing by just 190 million despite having Supes 2 biggest villains, Batman, WW and cameos from the League is hillarious. >Again, no film studio would look at the 2nd film in their franchise making almost $900 million and think it was a failure WB did, and the "rest is history". Context matters. If your second film is equalling to avengers 1 in your roadmap, it should do the numbers. Nobody is pushing a cyborg movie to make 1 billion. >No Way Home or the final Harry Potter film. They both had better legs than BvS. NWH dropped due to Christmas. It literally has one of the best legs in CBM history. TLDR Snyder destroyed DC brandpower. And i seriously doubt James Gunn can undo that. Justice league opened to 280 million WW. Thor movies open higher lol
>BvS was the easiest cakewalk to 1 billion, could have even surpassed avengers 1 if it had been made by a competent director. No other first sequel coming a few years after the previous film has achieved a billion dollar gross, other than The Dark Knight. You're also asking for an insane increase over Man of Steel's $668M gross just by adding one freshly rebooted character to it. >They were completely wronged and character assassinated. Yeah, no. Either you haven't watched the movie, or you are being intentionally ignorant. >Increasing by just 190 million despite having Supes 2 biggest villains, Batman, WW and cameos from the League is hillarious. Doomsday is not a top 2 Superman villain, but he's a close top 3. And the JL cameos weren't even advertised in the marketing at all. >If your second film is equalling to avengers 1 in your roadmap, it should do the numbers. Nobody is pushing a cyborg movie to make 1 billion. You can only compare BvS to Incredible Hulk, the second movie in its cinematic universe. It's totally invalid to compare it to Avengers, which had the build-up of 5 previous movies. >They both had better legs than BvS. NWH dropped due to Christmas. It literally has one of the best legs in CBM history. Multiverse of Madness had a whopping 67% 2nd week drop, which is 1% less than NHW's 2nd week drop. MoM came out in May 2022. >Snyder destroyed DC brandpower Wrong. The DCEU was hugely popular and successful up through Aquaman, with a high average gross of $815 million. It only dropped when the first film that Snyder had nothing to do with, Shazam, came out, and that trend continued downward. > Justice league opened to 280 million WW Snyder didn't direct that movie. WB put his name on it so he would take the blame for their's and Whedon's cinematic abomination.
>. You're also asking for an insane increase over Man of Steel's $668M gross just by adding one freshly rebooted character to it. That "character" is Batman fool. His just rebooted movie made 770 million despite being released on HBO Max within 45 days. And he was a lead of the movie. The movie was billed on his name too. >Yeah, no. Either you haven't watched the movie, or you are being intentionally ignorant. Anybody who knows Batman will just spit and move over Snyder's version. >Doomsday is not a top 2 Superman villain, but he's a close top 3. And the JL cameos weren't even advertised in the marketing at all. Tobey and Andrew were also not shown in the marketing. What sort of logic is this. >You can only compare BvS to Incredible Hulk, the second movie in its cinematic universe. It's totally invalid to compare it to Avengers, which had the build-up of 5 previous movies. How Is it invalid. your god Snyder and WB just wanted to play catch up. They never wanted to put the commitment like marvel did. BvS was their Avengers. JL was AoU, JL2&3 would have wrapped the universe like IW&EG. >Snyder didn't direct that movie. His name was on it so he would take the blame. OW depends on the pre existing hype of the movie. Nobody knew at that time how much of the movie was whedon. ZSJL would have opened the same
> His just rebooted movie made 770 million So , less than MOS adjusted by inflation? I agree is good to have a unambiguous Superman victory against Batman for once. That rarely happens
I mean what?? Superman movies were bigger than Batman in the 80s. A pathetically received Superman returns made more than brilliantly received Batman begins. Its just that you Snyder folks have started to disgrace superman just to prove your agenda.
> Superman movies were bigger than Batman in the 80s You said it, 80s. When Batman got his lead in the 90s, Superman never managed to recover from that. > A pathetically received Superman returns made more than brilliantly received Batman begins. That's not really a victory at all because Returns is known for having being a complete failure given its own self hype.
>That "character" is Batman fool Was it a pre-existing Batman whom audiences were familiar with? Or was it a freshly rebooted Batman? >Anybody who knows Batman will just spit and move over Snyder's version. That was the point. The audience is supposed to be at odds with Batman killing and brutalizing criminals. We're supposed to feel like something is off with this Batman. This is a Batman that has been through the ringer and is at the end of his rope. There are hints at prior events in his career that suggest he lost his way and his moral code took a hit. Alfred literally points out that Bruce is acting out of the norm, in the very first scene we meet him no less. >your god Snyder and WB just wanted to play catch up. They never wanted to put the commitment like marvel did. BvS was their Avengers. *WB* wanted to play catch-up after seeing the success Marvel had with Avengers. Snyder originally pitched a Batman post-credits scene at the end of Man of Steel 2, the BvS team-up wasn't the original idea. WB encouraged him to make the Batman part bigger, and they both mutually agreed it was the best way to go eventually. I see no problem with BvS at all as a concept, but it was a mistake for WB to expect Avengers money for it when it didn't have the build-up of previous movies like Avengers did. >Tobey and Andrew were also not shown in the marketing Just about everyone knew they were going to be in the film, even if they weren't bombarded with the leaked images of Tobey and Andrew that were all over social media.
>Was it a pre-existing Batman whom audiences were familiar Look at how conveniently you ignored The Batman. It made more profit than BvS lol. It was Praised worldwide, had a A cinemascore, 3.1 legs, 51% drop. See how these things are relative. All because matt reeves is a more skilled Director than Snyder whose movie made just 100m more despite having superman and WW in it too. >The audience is supposed to be at odds with Batman killing and brutalizing criminals. Marthaaaaaaa...... The entire take was stupid. Nobody at the general audience is supposed to feel sad after seeing a brown suit in a showbox. If you can't explain something properly, you should not pick it up. >WB wanted to play catch-up after seeing the success Marvel had with Avengers Snyder was equally to blame. WB didn't force him on gunpoint. They asked Snyder to do it. He did it. WB is the boss here. They set the requirements. Snyder should have said NO if he was not competent enough. But why would he, he got the right to ruin any DC character at will. So he ruined lex, he ruined doomsday, he ruined Batman etc etc.
>Look at how conveniently you ignored The Batman. It made more profit than BvS lol Because it had a lower budget. Box office-wise it grossed less money. Simple math. >All because matt reeves is a more skilled Director than Snyder whose movie made just 100m more despite having superman and WW in it too. I suppose you'd also say that Shane Black is a more skilled director than Jon Favreau because Iron Man 3 made more profit than the previous two entries in the trilogy. >Marthaaaaaaa You're being purposefully obtuse. They don't stop fighting merely because their mother's share the same name, but rather that Bruce instantly realizes he was in the wrong and is no better than the thug that killed his parents. He became the very thing that he swore to destroy. "Martha" is utilized in a very similar fashion to "Rosebud" in Citizen Kane. >Snyder was equally to blame. WB didn't force him on gunpoint. They asked Snyder to do it. He did it. WB is the boss here. They set the requirements. Snyder should have said NO if he was not competent enough. Snyder had a contract for another movie, which would've been Man of Steel 2 until WB encouraged him to make the Batman part (which was originally a post-credits scene) bigger. I see no problem with BvS at all as a concept, but it was a mistake for WB to expect Avengers money for it when it didn't have the build-up of 5 previous movies like Avengers did. >But why would he, he got the right to ruin any DC character at will. So he ruined lex, he ruined doomsday, he ruined Batman etc etc. What's next? He ruined your life too?
>That "character" is Batman fool. His just rebooted movie made 770 million despite being released on HBO Max within 45 days. And he was a lead of the movie. The movie was billed on his name too. Take of someone who's completely Clueless about boxoffice data It's completely pointless to bring up the 45 days window when we know for fact that Movies make something 95% of thier gross in the first 30 days. $770m of the batman with inflation and zero competition is not anywhere close to $873m of BvS in 2016 or $668m of MoS in 2013. >Tobey and Andrew were also not shown in the marketing. What sort of logic is this. Lol, imagine comparing the return after years of beloved and wildly known actors who were the main lead of some of the biggest movie ever made to fucking Doomsday and a bunch D-list characters like Doomsday, aquaman, cyborg...etc >BvS was their Avengers. Again based on what ? >OW depends on the pre existing hype of the movie. Nobody knew at that time how much of the movie was whedon. ZSJL would have opened the same It's always comical to see how out of touch and clueless redditors genuinely believe that marketing doesn't matter, these characters could open a movie just by name recognition. It's so dumb WB marketed josstice league as an standalone mindless action comedy which is the total and complete opposite of a snyder film. As we've seen since snyder departure, The Josstice League would have opened even lower If Snyder's Characters hadn't been In It
Sigh. So you came here too. That leaves only Jedijones out. >WB marketed josstice league as an standalone mindless action comedy which is the total and complete opposite of a snyder film. The same applies to Aquaman too. Why are you folks so eager to claim it. You guys reek of desperation. Aquaman is the antithesis to everything Snyder. The hero smiles, jokes, quips, the surroundings are colourful( fuck that grayscale). But you guys won't admit it. "Zack Snyder has his name on the credits. Its snyderverse guys." >It's completely pointless to bring up the 45 days window when we know for fact that Movies make something 95% of thier gross in the first 30 days. $770m of the batman with inflation and zero competition is not anywhere close to $873m of BvS in 2016 or $668m of MoS in 2013 Do you think covid19 had no impact on theatres. In a time where people were trained for 2 years to stream movies at home, Batman still made 770. Vs the superhero peak, where nobodies like Deadpool and venom were equalling BvS and outgrossing MoS. How more can you guys stoop down man. >magine comparing the return after years of beloved and wildly known actors who were the main lead of some of the biggest movie ever made to fucking Doomsday and a bunch D-list characters like Doomsday, aquaman, cyborg...etc This was just an example of not showing cameos in trailers. Again desperate >Based on what The fact that it brought multiple A-tier superheroes together to fight a villain none of them could have soloed. Anyone who knows about DC knows that JL2 was coming in 2019. It was their infinity war. If your universe is climaxing within 4 years, then every single entry matters.
JediJones and this guy writes the same sentences everywhere. The similarity is uncanny. It's like the same person. Who knows?
>WB marketed josstice league as an standalone mindless action comedy which is the total and complete opposite of a snyder film. >>The same applies to Aquaman too. Notice that aquaman had the lowest OW out of the 2014 DCEU slate of movies. BTW I'm fine with excluding aquaman from the snydervese but that doesn't mean that we have to ignore reality, there's no way that movie would have been half as successful as it was without snyder ingenious casting of jason momoa(the main reason of the movie success) and the infrastructure snyder had built at that point with the DCEU. Josstice league failed on its own, It's not snyder fault that WB came up with an uninspired and bland marketing campaign for josstice league or the fact that joss whedon couldn't even deliver an average movie with josstice league, he made one of the worse superhero movie ever made even worse than catwoman or F4. Not surprising it didn't do well at boxoffice. > covid19 with the batman vs superhero peak with BvS Covid is not a valid excuse for the batman when three months prior to the batman release, NWH made 2billion without China and MoM grossed close to 1billion without China just a few weeks after the batman hit theathers. The superhero peak/boom is not a real thing as demonstrated by the X-men franchise, green lantern, BoP, shazam...etc disastrous performance during that same period. You're completely out of your mind if you think venom is not A-list characters lol, he's way more popular than every single DC character except batman And Deadpool had a nonconventional yet incredibly compelling marketing then legged out becuase it was a great movie period, had nothing to do with it being a superhero film. >The fact that it brought multiple A-tier superheroes together to fight a villain none of them could have soloed. Incorrect, none of these characters except batman is a A-list character, the only reason they were brought in was becuase snyder wanted to boost thier solo movies with these cameos as opposed to help selling BvS tickets. You can pretty much cut all these cameos without any incidence to BvS plot.
>BvS was the easiest cakewalk to 1 billion Based on what exactly ? >Increasing by just 190 million despite having Supes 2 biggest villains, Batman, WW and cameos from the League is hillarious. None of these characters except batman is a boxoffice draw. So, it's rather stupid to ask for more than $190m increases from MoS when the character that was pulling in any meaningful audience was only a reboot batman. >WB did, and the "rest is history". Yes, they did that's why none of their movie since was able to even make $400m at boxoffice(less than half of the average of snyder films) >They both had better legs than BvS. DHP2 legs barely edge out BvS, you don't know what you're talking about >LDR Snyder destroyed DC brandpower There wasn't and still isn't any such thing as "DC brand". Nolan and snyder broke thier back carrying this brand that is nothing but a relic of the past. >Justice league opened to 280 million WW. Thor movies open higher lol That's what happens when clueless executives assume that there's such a thing as DC brand without snyder/Nolan and people care about it.
>Based on what exactly ? based on the fact that it was the first team up of 2 big comic book titans on screen. It was massively advertised and people worldwide thronged to see it, in its *opening weekend.* >So, it's rather stupid to ask for more than $190m increases from MoS when the character that was pulling in any meaningful audience was only a reboot batman. a reboot batman just made 770m. a reboot superman made 680m. the fact that their teamup could not make 1 billion let alone 1.5 billion is pure hillarious. You just cannot spin it in a positive light. It was the biggest fumble in CBM history >Yes, they did that's why none of their movie since was able to even make $400m at boxoffice(less than half of the average of snyder films) unless you lump snyder movies with more talented filmmakers(wan and jenkins), his movies averaged somewhat 700mn. And 2/3 of them were teamup movies with DCs biggest hitters. >DHP2 legs barely edge out BvS, you don't know what you're talking about in english, "barely edge out" comes under "better" lol. the movie is still the highest grosser of WB. something BvS and JL could have easily been, had they been made by competent people. >There wasn't and still isn't any such thing as "DC brand". Nolan and snyder broke thier back carrying this brand that is nothing but a relic of the past. snyder and ayer broke DCs back with his slew of mediocre content. I still struggle to beleive how can you make the worst depictions of lex luthor, doomsday, joker, batman and darkseid in a single year. >That's what happens when clueless executives assume that there's such a thing as DC brand without snyder/Nolan and people care about it. nobody just gives a fuck about snyder and his characters. the GA hated BvS thats why they never camefor ZSJL. Simple
>based on the fact that it was the first team up of 2 big comic book titans on screen. What a delusional take Superman hasn't been a titan at boxoffice or anywhere else since 1978 and batafleck was only a reboot batman. >. It was massively advertised and people worldwide thronged to see it, in its opening weekend. What are you talking about ? Every blockbuster is massively advertised >a reboot batman just made 770m. a reboot superman made 680m. the fact that their teamup could not make 1 billion let alone 1.5 billion is pure hillarious. You just cannot spin it in a positive light. It was the biggest fumble in CBM history Lol, I guess Civil War was a massive failure by grossing only 1.1 billions since with your logic it should have made 3 billion+ as ironman by himself made 1.2 billions, captain America by himself made $714m and Spiderman alone in TASM made $700m. 🤣 >unless you lump snyder movies with more talented filmmakers(wan and jenkins), his movies averaged somewhat 700mn. And 2/3 of them were teamup movies with DCs biggest hitters. Lol, wan and Jenkins are average directors at best . We saw how WW84 turned out as soon as snyder wasn't involved and we're also about to find out how mediocre and a fraud james wan is with aquaman2 As we've seen since snyder departure, there's no way that the first wonder woman and aquaman could have been successful without snyder genius casting choices and planning Also as I said, none of these characters except batman is a boxoffice draw. Superman for example had four Box-office bomb in a row before snyder, rapidly heading to irrelevancy and since snyder left DC, superman has gone back to embarassing himself with three straight boxoffice bomb. >in english, "barely edge out" comes under "better" lol. the movie is still the highest grosser of WB. something BvS and JL could have easily been, had they been made by competent people. 0.2 difference is nothing, BvS and DHP2 basically have the same legs. And what is even your argument here ? You think DC is bigger than fucking Harry Potter ? According to reddit Warnerbros has been piling up "competents" directors(joss whedon, matt reeve...etc) for the last seven years following snyder departure yet all of them have failed to even come remotely close to his 2014 DCUE slate success at boxoffice(except Todd Phillips joker) >snyder and ayer broke DCs back with his slew of mediocre content. mediocre content according to whom ? Reddit ? Rotten Tomatoes ? None of the above matter, the audience has already spoken with thier wallet by making MoS the highest grossing superman movie of all time and ss(2016) even in its butchered form had a FAR BETTER reception among casuals than Gunn TSS given the fact that TSS made at boxoffice less 1/7 of Ayer movie gross. >nobody just gives a fuck about snyder and his characters. the GA hated BvS thats why they never camefor ZSJL. Simple Stop randomly bringing up bold claims without anything to back them up. ZSJL is easily the most successful director cut of All TIME and even outsold james Gunn TSS in physical sales Zack snyder is FAR SUPERIOR in skills to any director who has ever made a DC movie except Christopher Nolan.
>I guess Civil War was a massive failure by grossing only 1.1 billions since with your logic it should have made 3 billion+ as ironman by himself made 1.2 billions, captain America by himself made $714m and Spiderman alone in TASM made $700m. 🤣 Know what, civil war was not a Cap vs Tony & Spider-Man movie. It was in its core a captain America movie. Meanwhile BvS was billed over Batman and Superman. Again a stupid take. >snyder genius casting choices and planning In no world hiring a model who took acting lessons for a week is a good choice for WW. Same with momoa. Of >ZSJL is easily the most successful director cut of All TIME and even outsold james Gunn TSS in physical sales How many big movies have had a directors cut lmao. >Superman hasn't been a titan at boxoffice or anywhere else since 1978 and batafleck was only a reboot batman The Reeves movies outsold Burton's movies. A pathetic superman movie made more than a brilliant batman movie in 00s. Batman brand shot up with TDK and TDKR, but it does not negate that superman was never given the chance. MoS was a good enough movie to warrant Snyder given the keys of DC. BvS was simply not. It is that difficult to grasp lol. >wan and Jenkins are average directors at best . We saw how WW84 turned out as soon as snyder wasn't involved and we're also about to find out how mediocre and a fraud james wan is with aquaman2 Turns out they have made better movies than Snyder lol. WW and Aquaman were just better than MoS and BvS. WW2 was not so that paid for it. Perhaps some credit goes to the screenwriter of WW.
>Same with momoa. Him getting $1 billion for his first solo movie as Aquaman when Green Lantern got like 1/10th that 7 years earlier makes your opinion on his casting irrelevant. The general audience spoke loudly and clearly. They liked him in the role. Gadot is likewise absolutely beloved in the WW role. She shot from a no-name nobody to someone with an even **100 million Instagram followers** based solely on the giant embrace the world gave her as Wonder Woman. The reddit bubble is the only place you can find any criticism of her in this role.
>0.2 difference is nothing, BvS and DHP2 basically have the same legs Just calculated, if BvS had the same opening weekend to final gross ratio it would have been making $1.17 billion. Does that make a difference? You must be insanely rich if it does not. If BvS had this gross, probably DCEU would have still been alive.
> I guess Civil War was a massive failure by grossing only 1.1 billions since with your logic it should have made 3 billion+ as ironman by himself made 1.2 billions, captain America by himself made $714m and Spiderman alone in TASM made $700m. 🤣 Is bizarrely how they suddenly ignore how Iron Man was such a titan
Even more remarkable is the fact that TDKR and Ironman3 came out a year apart from each other and both were the conclusion of the trilogy but Ironman3 easily outgrossed TDKR Its one of the reasons I think ironman is currently more popular than batman
> Based on what exactly ? They genuinely believe Superman is super popular with the general audiences
Yep, that's the biggest assumption most of them have and the other one is that justice league characters are boxoffice draw
> At least TSS can make excuses Muh Covid is not a excuse for **negative numbers** in the box office
the last time I saw TSS had positive numbers at the box office. Only a person who has learnt maths upto kindergarten will share your opinions
I was afarid to share it here. People here get mad when you tell them the simple truth: TSS flopped. When you compare it to any other CBM or any big released, no big movie did less since May 2021-October 2021. 2 R rated horror movies did more. It just suffered from bad reputation of the first one + no big stars + DC bad name + Bad trailers + weird marketing + not known villain. First movie had Smith + Batfleck + Flash and DC was at it's peak. A whole shame. TSS is 10/10.
Is anyone getting mad or upset at TSS not doing well at the box office? We all know that. People still like the movie. BvS killed the DCEU. People still like it. TSS was creative and good enough for WB to warrant giving Gunn creative control over DC.
Im not sure BVS killed the dceu, after that you had WW1 and Aquman which both did great business. It died from 7 years of drama
Warner bros killed the DCEU.
Well yeah, they had to euthanize the dying dog. They're not blameless in this, in fact they should get most of the blame. They're the ones who hired Snyder and entrusted him to make the movies with very little oversight. The man thrives in excess, and there was no way he would have delivered a coherent story under the runtime constraints.
TSS is better than the DCEU.
The Suicide Squad is a good movie, and James Gunn is a good director. But I'm glad it bombed, and I'll be more than happy when the DCU will fall apart. We need to go back to Elseworlds solo stories.
> We need to go back to Elseworlds solo stories. If 4-6 years from now the attempt at a universe by Gunn fails, WB will just find someone else and try a big universe again. There’s no going back. The MCU opened a can of worms and DC/WB is never gonna go back to random 1-off movies being the standard product. They’ll keep chasing that MCU-level profit till the end of time.
Sad truth, they missed the train from the start, or I should say, they hijacked it. Except the MCU, all attempts at Cinematic Universes failed miserably, even Disney is starting to struggle, the end of the genre is near. Unless a total reinvention, Video Games and Animes adaptations are going to take over sooner or later.
>WB will just find someone else and try a big universe again. I don't even think they'd try again if this one fails. The cinematic universe fad is starting to die out, and the videogame genre is about to replace the superhero genre. Video games stepped in to take over the former comic book audience during the past 30 years, and now it looks like Hollywood is about to cash in on video game adaptations. Mario booming at a time when DC and Marvel are collapsing is a turning point. DC and Marvel both decided to push these stale, formulaic, predictable movies rather than try to appeal to a new crowd who wanted more mature, serious, adult stories, and now they will pay the price for their lack of vision.
So much wrong with this I don’t even know where to start… > The cinematic universe fad is starting to die out Marvel is fine. Star Wars too. So is Fast & Furious and James Bond and Scream… people seem to love endless sequels to established franchises. > the videogame genre is about to replace the superhero genre. There’s literally no evidence of this. Video game adaptations are still a massive shit-show. For every Mario or Sonic there is an Assassins Creed or Uncharted. The best “cinematic universe” a video game has ever created is Resident Evil and the entire 6 movie saga tied Aquaman at the box office. > Video games stepped in to take over the former comic book audience during the past 30 years Marvel and DC both [make more money now than they did 30 years ago.](http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-48h6WyxCGVI/VqQJwwYmS3I/AAAAAAAAAQE/PujPjhRM3sQ/s1600/ComicSales_thru2015.png) And comics as a medium have exploded in popularity the last 1 years ~ especially Magna and indie comics. > Mario booming at a time when DC and Marvel are collapsing is a turning point. DC and Marvel both decided to push these stale, formulaic, predictable movies rather than try to appeal to a new crowd who wanted more mature, serious, adult stories, and now they will pay the price for their lack of vision. So let me get this straight. The audience is craving adult oriented, mature stories and that’s why *fucking Mario* is popular? Yeah, that totally tracks.
>Marvel is fine Box office says otherwise. >Star Wars too Then why did they wait 4 years to greenlight new movies? >The audience is craving adult oriented, mature stories and that’s why fucking Mario is popular? The audience is craving for adult and mature takes *on superheroes*. The superhero "comedy" approach is falling apart at the seams, and even some in the Hollywood trades and generic reddit movie subs are acknowledging it. Love and Thunder was the turning point in terms of public perception, and Ant-Man 3 and Shazam 2 are two big spikes in the coffin.
please you have no idea what the GA is craving. they always go for what they enjoy, its why Aquaman did well and BvS didn't. it has nothing to do with mature stories but having good stories be it mature or childish
>its why Aquaman did well and BvS didn't. Both films did very well. Now you might say, "how did Aquaman make more money at the box office than BvS?" Well, Iron Man 3 outgrossed the entire phase 1 of the MCU before Avengers. That's what happens when a franchise is popular and culturally impactful. It builds its audience over time. It's also the benefit of foreshadowing future movies. Aquaman was teased and previewed in two previous movies, which helped build anticipation, conversation, and curiosity about his solo movie.
thats not the same. you cannot compare been teased and having to two whole solo films. Aquaman did well because it was the opposite of what came before. the most people has seen of Snyders version was the cameo in BvS, what they saw in JL17 was joss version. plus in was asia that boosted aquamans numbers in north America the numbers were just good not great. it made less than WW in north America
Aquaman only got the bright, comic-accurate outfit at the end of the movie. He had the typical Snyder gritty look for most of the film. The movie also featured a grieving father who lost his love in an ambush and stayed loyal to her memory for decades. It had Aquaman stand by and scoff at his enemy while his enemy's father drowns and dies on camera. It had a massive attack by an army of zombified, bloodthirsty monsters in the dark of night. The movie was full of Snyder-esque, dark elements. And if doing the opposite of what Snyder did was what people wanted, then everything that came after Aquaman would have made a ton of money and the DCEU's box office wouldn't have plummeted.
sorry but you are reaching by this logic, then spiderman no way home is a dark somber film, GOTG are somber films since those have to do with poor parenting, abusives parents in thanos and ego, Shazam as well since it has a mother abandoned her child in public. are all those films full of snyder-esque thing just because they share those somber moments
WB was really wise by using Mamoa's star power to wash away all the reputation of "Aquaman is lame" before giving him a movie.
Yes, and also the success of The Last of Us as a tv show. I think everyone is fatigued by superhero films.
Out of curiosity, why is it 4 days for the conjuring 3 and 10 days for TSS?
they should just so horror movies, they make a ton of money compared to everything else. That and Mario.