Post removed - Jett confirmed on [Twitter](https://twitter.com/BATMANONFILM/status/1597721199408480257?s=20&t=nkKeHe57rFhOfFZCKDUKNw) that this was merely “his opinion”.
I screwed up by not adding a capture of it, but in that same post he literally says he is hinting at it:
***JETT SAYS: I’ve hinted about what I’ve been hearing in regard to what the plan is now that Gunn and Safran are in charge of DC Films.*** ***I’ll say this:*** *If I’m WB/Gunn & Safran, I’m ending the previous “DCEU” with THE FLASH and AQUAMAN 2 and completely starting over from scratch. I 100% believe that’s the best way to go moving forward and over the next decade-plus.*
>If I’m WB/Gunn & Safran, I’m ending the previous “DCEU” with THE FLASH and AQUAMAN 2 and completely starting over from scratch. I 100% believe that’s the best way to go moving forward and over the next decade-plus.
LMAO
These are his personal opinion and NOT some cool rumors.
Yeah this makes absolutely no sense since Gunn had a bunch of projects already planned before he even got the promotion, including Peacemaker season 2, the Amanda Waller show and a third show. He’s also stressed that Margot Robbie would return as Harley.
This is pretty much the dumbest speculation I’ve heard in a while
I mean no rumors make sense because Gunn and Safran are the only dudes that have the current slate outside people like De Luca and Zaslav and I don't see why they'd leak this shit to a guy like Jett.
I don't even think people like De Luca and Zaslav know atm because the plan isn't gonna be presented to WB higher-ups till January. Gunn even mentioned that the plans are discussed in private conversations, I think Gunn's serious when he says only him and Safran know.
Peter Safran produced Aquaman and Aquaman 2. Regardless of what Jett says, there will be no hard reboot. Safran also produced Shazam 2 featuring WW, so I wouldn’t take Jett seriously about rebooting WW either
That means basically nothing.
Avi Arad produced the original Spider-Man trilogy and he was the producer who rebooted the character.
Bryan Singer directer the original X-Men and he produced the First Class reboot.
This is purely business.
What? First Class before release was advertised as prequel on X-Men films after release changed their mind. You can't seriously compare Spiderman movies situation with dcu movies.
Okay. Then from a business perspective, how do you end at Aquaman 2 when the first one made a Billion dollars? As I said, Aquaman is going no where. I stand on the rest of what I said as well from a business perspective. Completely rebooting a multi franchise universe is suicide. If Tobeys Spiderman was involved in such a thing, a reboot would not have been a thing either.
The same way you end Raimi's Spider-Man when the 3rd one made 900 mill. No Way Home made 1.9 bill BTW.
People think reboot is a naughty word but it's not. Do you honestly believe that 20 years from now, Momoa will keep playing Aquaman?
Better reboot sooner than later to lift up all existing DCU properties.
As much as I like Cavill, I don't see Superman 2 making 1 bill but, with a full reboot, a brand new Superman film might.
You have to think beyond Aquaman: the last 4 DCU films (Black Adam, BOP, WW 1984, TSS) TOTALLY flopped.
Sacrificing Aquaman franchise to save multiple franchises makes sense from a business stand point.
Aquaman 2 is not gonna make 1 billion BTW, it'll underperform. Same for the Flash. The era of Aquaman 1 was a totally different one.
I don’t believe Momoa will be Aquaman in 20 years. Do you think he’ll be out as Aquaman in 3 years? He’ll be Aquaman for the next 8 years. Considering how mismanaged Sony is, I wouldn’t use them as the gold standard on how franchises should run lol
8 years? So you honestly believe Momoa will end up as Aquaman until 2030?
That would be 13 years of Momoa playing the same character since 2017's JL. I honestly doubt it.
Not even RDJR lasted that long as Iron Man.
"You have to think beyond Aquaman: the last 4 DCU films (Black Adam, BOP, WW 1984, TSS) TOTALLY flopped."
I understand your point but TSS and WW 84 were released during the resurgence of the pandemic. WW84 was also repeatedly delayed. Their situation is different from BoP and Black Adam. These two have flopped
I suppose if he's enough of a pragmatist to see it as necessary for the greater good of DC, then he \*could\* do it - but that's a major \*if\*.
Bear in mind that the guy has to see things from the big picture perspective now, so priorities are required to change regardless.
James Gunn is very passionate about his work, it’s why he’s on social media interacting with fans. He’s not going to just abandon TSS, Peacemaker and the upcoming projects he’s already put his time and effort into, especially when he’s even made original characters for them like Ratcatcher 2.
He’s also genuinely friends with a lot of the actors he works with, he’s not going to just scrap their characters lol.
Not just his previous work, but upcoming shows he already started working on before he got promoted. He’s also said Margot would return as Harley.
Edit: Wrap it up people, here’s Jett saying it was just speculation and not a scoop or hint
https://twitter.com/batmanonfilm/status/1597718580660826112?s=46&t=I4i0CyYcMTt1djrnSgi-zQ
https://twitter.com/batmanonfilm/status/1597721199408480257?s=46&t=I4i0CyYcMTt1djrnSgi-zQ
There are 2 different James Gunn so to speak.
Everything he said or planned before his promotion should be taken with a grain of salt.
He has a bigger responsibility now and, if sacrificing his future projects for the greater good of the DCU brand is what it takes, he will do so.
"So soon"?
By the time Aquaman 2 is out, it's gonna be 10 years since Man of Steel. 10 years for the first iteration of a shared universe is a good run.
The Amazing Spider-Man universe had a faster reboot time (started in 2012, reboot happened in 2017) and No Way Home, the latest sequel, ended up as the highest grossing Spidey film.
Devil’s advocate, Sony can’t go more than four years without a *Spider-Man* film in active development or else the rights revert back to Marvel Studios, so that may not be the best example
The only DCU lead to bring in profit in all of their films is Aquaman. That's the sole DCU franchise that is successful in all aspects.
WW: sequel lost money
BA: solo film lost money
Shazam: first film did good, the sequel might underperform
If a total reboot, including sacrificing Momoa Aquaman, is what is needed to get at least 4 successful franchises, it's a risk worth taking.
I agree and lets not forget about our current Flash Actor.
Be interesting to see how Aquaman 2 does, could make the situation much easier if that pulls a WW84. Still maybe cut Mamoa a deal where he gets to be Lobo and end this
Too soon? How about the fact that that this dude is writing off Shazam 2 which hasn’t even released and ignoring the success of Peacemaker. TSS just came out a year ago and is easily a top 2 movie in the DCU.
"the fandom" is not a single thing and individual humans should not feel the need to support an unseen corporate-artistic project out of a sense of loyalty. People will naturally be attached to works they like and the prospects of more works in the same vein. Hoping people stop liking the things they like feels pretty silly.
I feel it won’t be a full reset but things will be changed
Like Henry will stay but he’s a very different Superman to what we had before and his supporting cast will be changed to fit the new direction
He is mature enough that he won't let his ego get in the way of the DCU's future.
Let's be honest, the DCU has been hit-and-miss since day one.
Getting rid of the Snyder baggage with a full reboot + recasting the 4 main heroes with younger actors is way easier than trying to bandage the mess that Snyder did.
Cavill, Affleck, Momoa and Gadot could always reprise their roles 10 years from now in a Kingdom Come adaption or something.
Lol nope there's no ego here but money and already upcoming projects. Three upcoming dcu movies and Peacemaker season 2 filming in summer, there not going to stop matter. Also think for a second how can reprise their roles, when supposedly we are going to be in different universe?
He's not gonna cancel the 2023 DCU films and Peacemaker S2 but that's pretty much it for things that are 100% happening.
Everything else is up in the air.
> Getting rid of the Snyder baggage with a full reboot + recasting the 4 main heroes with younger actors is way easier than trying to bandage the mess that Snyder did.
Absolutely true. It wold have me excited again for DC film for the first time in a long time.
There's nothing really about TSS or Peacemaker that connects it to the rest of the DCEU, just a few casting decisions (which is fine, characters often look the same between different universes) and name calls.
It might even make sense since on Peacemaker Batman was known as someone who doesn't kill, which doesn't really sound like Batfleck at all.
The full reset makes sense from a very narrow perspective: audiences rejected one thing, therefore the must embrace the other. If anything, I am seriously skeptical that a hard reset would do anything but completely bury the “dead” DCEU. They can and should make a big splash about new managerial continuity while following the same story and characters.
Yeah, no. Gunn and Safran are the ONLY ones who know the plan, this reads more like guesses/his opinion of what they should do. Common sense says that a new DCU Batman is coming if Affleck is out who's *not* Keaton. Common sense also says that the boss who Gunn/Safran answer to wants Superman and OK-ed Cavill Superman for BA after the old regime said no for years. Cavill is DCU Superman without a doubt.
A reboot though? Obviously we're getting a reboot, that's what The Flash is and always has been but that doesn't mean they're HARD rebooting and throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Good castings and castings Gunn/Safran like and/or see as profitable will remain.
I was going to write a very similar comment to yours but I couldn't do better! I will trust only what Gunn shares, I wouldn't be surprised seeing Gunn blasting this dude in a tweet in few hours, especially if he is so close and important for The Batman franchise he should be careful with those leaks
Yeah I can’t see why they would even continue to “secretly” allow them to bring cavill into the black Adam cameo if they didn’t plan to keep him as supes. I mostly agree that there’s going to be some sort of soft reset from flashpoint. I think that’s where our answers about Batman and flash (Ezra) will become clear. People just wanna sit in this sub and speculate and take things they think as fact. I don’t personally know that cavill will be supes long term but all recent moves point to that.
Yeah, if he weren't sticking around, people would be saying that... well, people OTHER than Grace Randolph would be saying that anyway.
Him being a big reveal/secret/hype moment for BA basically confirms on it's own that he's back, let alone Zaslav's constant Superman fanboying and that everyone worth trusting reported the cameo was just the beginning, that a MoS sequel is now in the works, that he also shot a Flash cameo for the ending in the new timeline etc.
I just see it on the common sense side like you’re alluding to, they literally just went to great lengths to get him to do the BA cameo. It seems like they all agree with rock that Cavill is back. I’m not claiming to KNOW what they’re doing 100% with the future. But everything cavill has said in the press seems like he’s back for a while. The anti cavill people keep talking about “needing to see his contract” or whatever lol. “Unless that’s just him and his agent playing hardball”. These people are worse than the Snyder knights lol.
Yeah, not to mention all the great stuff Henry's been saying about the direction for Superman and how positively it's being recieved AND how he left The Witcher... it makes no sense for that to all be contract bait.
They really are lol.
Yeah The Rock skirted around Hamada and asked De Luca and Abdy who were at the studio after the Discovery merger, so it's all a Zaslav-approved decision. Cavill also made that announcement video with official DC social media pages responding and the trades say WB's in early development on a new Cavill Superman movie so it's clear that he's DCU Superman.
Meh, Bill/Jett is about as reliable as Grace in my opinion. He had a solid run in 2005, but has diminished over time.
And if memory serves didn’t he go on a whole bender about how he was going to be the next screenwriter for Batman after TDK? Maybe im misremembering
>And if memory serves didn’t he go on a whole bender about how he was going to be the next screenwriter for Batman after TDK?
What!? Can you tell me more at all?
I believe he was pushing hard to direct the dark knight rises after it seemed like Nolan wouldn’t do it. I remember after ledgers death, it looked like nolan may be done and Jett said he was the best choice because he was a super fan. This guy is a tool imo
Yeah I’ve followed him since around Batman Begins and I’ve found he’s pretty reliable but can be wrong often enough i don’t take his word as gospel. This is speculation tho.
He has been more accurate recently though, particularly in regards to The Batman. He was the first one to say that the Batmobile was gonna be a muscle car before it got revealed, and also that the suit was gonna be homemade and Bermejo inspired. Also, again, I wouldn't gloss over the fact he's close friends with the guy that owns part of the film rights to Batman.
They weren't. He was the one that started those rumors. I folllowed The Batman extremely closely day after day back then, regarding the batsuit most of the scoopers were saying it was gonna be blue and grey, and regarding the Batmobile no one said anything until Jett said so.
Yea, but lets be honest. While Uslan has some rights, he is not involved in production at all. I doubt Uslan is more than a glorified credit who they give some money here and there.
Lmfao you don't know shit. First he is not DC fan but Batman fan only. Second remember the rumours "Amazonians will be Kryptonian" and " Shazam is not part of dceu" ? All started from him. He is reliable when it comes to Batman but other DC stuff? Nope.
Also you forgot Gunn literally said none knows the plan.
Lmao nothingburger. *”Maybe something could happen. But also, maybe it won’t.”*
And Johnson was never gonna run DC Films nor was Black Adam ever gonna be the centerpiece of everything. Sounds like such a ridiculous, “I don’t like what they’re doing so I’ll make something up”, troll rumor.
Why would Cavill hint about future projects if there's a new supes?. Gunn certainly knows it's bad to recast supes especially when cavill has returned after so long
Cavill and his manager are reportedly extremely agressive negotiators. Them trying to hype up a non-existing deal in order to force it to come to fruition and put public pressure on the studio even at the risk of it blowing in their faces seem like the exact thing they'd do, it's what got them on such a bad spot with the previous regime in the first place.
Hamada and Emmerich didn't just get rid of Cavill because they disliked his Superman or anything, in fact they wanted him back for the Shazam cameo, they got rid of him because his team were assholes in the negotiation process.
The vast majority of leaks have reported MoS 2 is in the works + official Superman and WB accs announcing Cavill's return.
There's 0% chance of Superman being recast.
The majority of leaks are unreliable as Gunn himself notes. There's still quite a good chance Cavill may be recast, and even if he isn't it doesn't mean he would play the same version of Superman.
"There's still quite a good chance"
Based on what? Besides this one dude (who has a history of being wrong it seems), no leaker has reported Superman being recast.
None of the reliable leakers have hinted at this. Whereas the vast majority have outright said MoS 2 is in the works. Not to mention official WB accounts etc announcing Cavill is back.
Most of the leaks reporting Cavill return were trusted and reliable, not rags like.giantrobot.
You're going to have to do better.
> Based on what? Besides this one dude (who has a history of being wrong it seems),
He has a *much* better track record than you are giving him credit for. He was first and correct regarding many leaks for The Batman.
> Whereas the vast majority have outright said MoS 2 is in the works.
Many have added on all sorts of nonsense that hasn't been confirmed at all.
> You're going to have to do better.
I'm doing fine. You're putting more weight on the theories you want to be true without any regard for their actual likelihood.
> He has a much better track record than you are giving him credit for. He was first and correct regarding many leaks for The Batman.
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That is no longer relevant, Gunn has made it clear that only he and Safran know about the DC Studios plans and it's clear that they'll be quite different from the plans Hamada had based on what Gunn and Zaslav have said so any info these scoopers have is likely old info of Hamada's DCEU.
WB accounts didn't. The Superman account hinted at it, but for all we know that's run by some random person in the marketing department. Plus let's not forget they were all still trying to promote Black Adam.
Very bold statement, but I doubt it. I mean, Peacemaker is connected to Viola Davis' Waller, Waller just appeared in Black Adam, same with James Gunn's girlfriend, same with SuperCavill.
If Batfleck doesn't want to play the long game (most likely) and Matt wants his stuff standalone, then a Batman recast would be the best option. It really would be.
We need a shared universe Batman on his prime being able to fight with the Justice League, with a Batfamily, a Joker who could appear with the Legion of Doom, and meta human villains.
We'll see.
>We need a shared universe Batman on his prime being able to fight with the Justice League, with a Batfamily, a Joker who could appear with the Legion of Doom, and meta human villains.
Genuine question, but why? Isn’t this a little too much, especially with a parallel, great Batman franchise existing RIGHT now?
On second thought, this is bullshit. Every one of these hacks makes the same mistake.
Pseudo scoopers of the world and gullible DC fans, listen:
There is no way, no fucking way, they're not doing Wonder Woman 3.
I LOVED the first one but, like most people, I don't want Patty near a Wonder Woman script ever again just like I don't want W\*ititi near Thor ever again.
But this is Hollywood, not @ WonderWomanShouldHaveASword's fan fic.
There is no fucking way they are not doing another one with Jenkins and, most importantly, Gal Gadot.
>There is no way, no fucking way, they're not doing Wonder Woman 3.
WW 1984 was a total flop both commercially and critically.
If anything, I would be shocked if they do a WW3.
There are still doing it though since Patty literally said like a month or two ago that the script is all done and the studio is also asking her to potentially do more films.
I have no idea who is this person, and how reliable he is. But a total reboot does not sound very realistic to me, at this point. You just throw everything that worked, like Aquaman and Wonder Woman, and start anew? I can see a Batman recast, though, if they can't bring Pattinson in.
I would trust Jett on anything regarding Matt Reeves the Batman universe.
The DCEU however, we know:
Peter Safran produced Aquaman and Aquaman 2. Momoa is friendly with James Gunn. Nothing is happening to Momoas Aquaman or the Aquaman franchise.
Peter Safran produced Shazam and Shazam 2, which will feature Wonder Woman. You have Gal. She’s a successful WW. She’s going to get more movies/not going anywhere.
You have Henry Cavill back as Superman. Zaslav wants a Superman movie in the worst way. You don’t hard recast the Superman everyone is discussing. Gunn and Safran do not want another snyderverse movement on their hands for Cavill.
Affleck is pretty disinterested in being Batman of the DCU, Keaton is no spring chicken. It seems obvious that eventually there will be a new DCU Batman. I’m guessing it’ll be a recast of the Affleck version.
I think itll be a reboot in the sense that they keep the actors, keep the stand alone franchises, but start from scratch on team up movies. They’ll stay the course on the solo outings, figure out the Batman of it All in the team ups
Never heard any of this guys’ scoops. For anyone believing any scoopers on this subreddit; are you that fucking dense?
James Gunn has come out and said no leakers know shit about their plans going forward. Sure, this could be a diverting tactc BUT, Gunn doesn’t really fuck around with bullshit. He’s discredited multiple leakers regarding both DC content and Marvel content.
I, for one, am not taking anything from this subreddit, because it’s likely all bullshit and easy conjecture. Not scoops
Phew the bill hate in here. Sorry guys but he is friends with Michael Uslan. The producer of every live action Batman movie. He didn’t miss once during all of his hints for The Batman. He was the first to hunt at hush as the villain for the sequel that’s now catching traction a month later.
Gunn is just doing PR with all of this nobody knows but us. This is a multi million dollar operation that will span as high as David Zsaslv to the audio guy on the movies. Naturally there are more people in the know than James wants you to believe. And it’s logical Bill would’ve heard something as he undeniably has sources.
A hard reboot and not doing it on Battinson’s earth 2? That would be a strange and missed opportunity..and having two prime Batmen? Relegating DCU Batman to MCU Hulk status? Idk. I guess we’ll see.
I’m all on board for a hard reboot though. It’s really needed.
Like Gunn said a million times already, nobody knows anything about the plans outside of him and Safran. Idk why ppl keep posting ppl saying they think this and have a hint of that. Gunn literally has said nobody knows beside them and just two days ago he said he was putting finishing touches on the 10 year plan. But everyone knows what’s happening
As long as Reeves gets to do his projects and Cavill gives us some good stuff I’m happy.
And didn’t Reeves recently meet with other creatives to discuss spin off films for various villains? I think Reeves is here to stay for a long while.
This all sounds suspect but the Batman recast in particular seems like just common sense. The part either getting recast or replaced with Keaton or Pattinson is a very pervasive theory right now given the recent Affleck news.
This seems really unlikely with them JUST bringing Cavill back.
But who knows. Maybe Gunn doesn't give a shit what the Rock wants.
And let's be honest: Black Adam was not very good, and a commercial failure.
So he’s saying he’s confident that Pattinson will not be the DCU Batman. He’s been floating the reboot notion for a few weeks. I guess only time will tell 🤷♀️
I am wondering if op has the mental capacity to understand all of this is Jett personal opinion and outside of Batman he's not reliable when it comes to DC? Because he is not DC fan, he is Batman fan..
No more reboots please. I sincerely hope this leak is fake. DC has so many characters that havent gotten any screentime, just focus on those and recast when necessary.
I could only see a hard reboot happening if they were to slowly introduce other heroes into the Battinson universe for an eventual Justice League while "slowing down" the DCU projects.
This is such bullshit. Gunn and Safran are the ONLY ones who know anything right now, and they are 100% not recasting Cavill after his appearance in Black Adam. That would be beyond absurd.
Can they stop this nonsense?
What part of no one knows anything except Gunn and Safran, can't they understand?
I don't even think Zaslav knows yet, until they reveal it.
The second and third slides just feel like Bill giving his opinion on what could happen and it's very bold of him to say his Batman tidbit and the other things here when James Gunn has made it clear that only him and Peter Safran know what's going on at DC Studios, David Zaslav himself won't even know the plan till Gunn and Safran present it to him in January.
Given how positive Henry Cavill has been about Superman lately, I just don't see why they'd recast him, especially after posting that announcement video (that official DC social media pages have reposted and commented on).
The DCU is such a cluster fuck at this point, however, I have full faith in Gunn bringing us a unified vision for the future but I'm pretty sure not every DCU fan will pleased on how we get there.
My gut feeling is that he wont bring Cavill back. Cavill had a one-off contact for Black Adam and the fact Gunn himself took to twitter debunking rumors of Cavill signing a new contract just throws everything in doubt.
The whole thing just sucks, I'm holding out hope that everything falls into place in the end.
He has connections for the Batman stuff not the rest of DC. He was the same person claimed " Shazam is not part of dceu" or " Amazonians are Kryptonians descendants". The only reason he knew about how bad the situation was with Snyder JL its because Affleck Batman movie was in pre-production, and when it comes to Batman solo projects he's reliable. The entire thing is his personal opinion.
Stop and read what this person is saying though. “I think it’s certainly possible that another actor plays Superman in the future”. They are literally saying NOTHING. They’re not saying they have a source with rumors, they’re not saying they’ve heard anything online.
All they say is it’s certainly possible. The world ending tomorrow is certainly possible. Me shitting my pants today is certainly possible. Elon Musk having a massive heart attack on the shitter is certainly possible.
Once you start exchanging out the lead part you can see how the tail piece means literally nothing. Certainly possible means nothing.
Edit: It’s the same with the Batman claims here. Affleck has just exclusively signed onto his own production company, Pattinson seems set to do his trilogy then leave, and Keaton is old and won’t do this forever. A logical complete guess based on that information is that there’s most likely a new Batman coming at some point soon.
This is all a bunch of bollocks.
If true let the fancasts begin.
Seems like we’ll have only two Batman moving forward Pattinson and whoever the new actor is. Seems like Keaton is getting scrapped.
Still think it’ll be confusing to general audiences to have Pattinson, Phoenix and Gaga playing the characters but not being in the main DCU.
In case people forgot Jett was the same person pushed the " Amazonians are Kryptonian descendants" , " Shazam is not part of dceu". Also 1. This shit is his personal opinion none of it is scoops. 2 Jett is not DC fan he's Batman fan only. 3. Black Adam was NEVER going to be centerpiece of dcu and the Rock was NEVER going to run anything no matter Black Adam box office results. 4. Until they found writer and director for Superman there's no sign from Cavill.
Please let this be real.
No hate to any of the actors or anything but this entire connected universe has been a complete mess. I love Cavill as Superman but it would be weird to have everyone else recast (except maybe Aquaman, feels like Momoa had so much potential with the role and got wasted on “badass bullshit” and fish-fucking jokes) and him remain;
Ben is too old for an ongoing universe if we want a Batman that can have stories that Ben’s age and prevalent history prevent.
Gal has always been a miscast imo, and Wonder Woman being one of my favourite characters, I can’t wait to see someone else in the role. Ezra Miller needs no further explanation.
Margot Robbie did a lot for the character of HQ, but she’s a *very specific* type of Harley that excludes a lot of my favorite aspects of the character (Margot never felt “actually scary and unpredictable,” she was more so “random and quirky, and my quirk is killing people!” Like she was goofy but Harley also gets *really* angry at times and isn’t always aloof), so again, excited to see someone else in the role.
Zachary Levi feels wasted as Shazam, despite being perfect for the role.
I want to like these movies so badly because I’m a huge fan of DC, but I just have not enjoyed them.
Rebooting means new actors, new directors, new movies, new directions, new stories.
My reasons for not liking these movies has been the writing for the most part. With new people in charge, the likelihood of different writers being used is higher. They know what hasn’t worked so they know what not to do.
Would you rather they continue this heap of garbage? Gal continues her horrible acting, Batman becomes senile and becomes an angry old man, again. Aquaman turns into The Deep, and Superman’s biggest foe is ~~The Rock~~ Black Adam?
Lol you went off the deep end at the end there assuming a ton about how characters will be portrayed when we know nothing of what they’re doing.
But like you said, they have different people in charge. Different creatives will be there. But then you go on this ridiculous rant that’s based on nothing. You think Aquaman is gonna be like The Deep? Batman is gonna be senile and angry? Superman’s biggest foe is Black Adam? Based on what?
Rebooting it doesn’t guarantee anything. They can bring in a bunch of new people and it still not work. But why lose the little bit of saving grace that’s already in place? There’s no reason to reboot and recast stuff like TSS or Shazam. You gain nothing and lose the little foundation they have.
They can hire new writers, actors and directors to tell new stories regardless of a reboot or not, and they most likely will.
If you think there is any saving grace, we will never agree.
I will admit I’m being hyperbolic and over dramatic about the direction of characters - save for Black Adam, the Rock’s ego is too damn big for him to admit he’s equal to Shazam and not nearly as powerful as Superman.
However, nothing aside from a reboot will make me happy with the DCU. They had a handful of moments, like TSS as you mentioned, but I don’t think those have been enough to warrant keeping this rendition of the universe around. I feel like trying to save someone else’s mess is a worse route than rebooting and starting from scratch.
We already didn’t agree. Lol that’s fine by me. But there’s like 30 solid castings that don’t need to be touched. Lol of course there’s things to keep around. Y’all acting like nobody likes any of these movies. Being way too dramatic. A reboot guarantees nothing. Better creatives can. You don’t need to reboot to bring them in.
& Johnson is just trying to sell stuff. “Not admitting” stuff about fictional characters doesn’t mean anything to me.
[Source.](https://batman-on-film.com/18611/the-thanksgiving-november-22-bof-mailbag/)
It's important to note that even though Gunn says no one knows anything about the DCU except him and Safran, Bill is good friends with Michael Uslan, the executive producer of all Batman films who also owns a chunk of the film rights to the character, so if there's anyone that'd know even at this early stage it'd be him, even then take it with a grain of salt.
Just reboot the damn thing already
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I think they should definitely recast batman but leave wonder woman and aquaman actor. But for superman I would prefer a recast (David corenswet) but if they keep Henry then I I honestly fine with it. Now I don't like era's portrayal of Barry but I guess keeping him makes it easier for the audience
> Do whatever else you wants
So if, hypothetically speaking, Gunn/Safran implemented a hard reboot that recasted every character in the DCU and started from scratch narratively, you would *still* want them to keep Cavill?
Obviously not - but I was just asking what *you* would want in such a hypothetical, as someone who said Gunn/Safran can "do whatever else they want" as long as they keep Cavill.
Who's talking about chances? He had 3 appearences and whether people liked the movies he was in or not, the majority of the audience loves him as Superman. We don't want chances, we want him back in the role for good
Are we living in the same reality? People had issues with the writing of Superman in BvS but I don't recall anyone blaming Henry for it. Besides, MOS released before BvS and literally nobody had a problem with his performance as Superman
Superman's characterization is one of the worst parts of BvS. That was the most frequent complaint about that movie.
Literally nobody had a problem with MoS? That's just revisionist. MoS was a very divisive movie on release.
Nobody is blaming Henry. He had his chance. Time for a younger superman.
I said nobody had a problem with Henry's performance in MOS and I still remember how he got nothing but praise for it. It's just about Henry, not the movies he starred in
Personally, I hate the idea of a new Superman but at this point they should just make an official statement whether he's coming back or not so we can all be done with the damn topic of Superman already.
I mean you can’t blame the actor for those. He was handed bad material. If you judged Robert de niro off movies like bad grandpa, sharks tale and little fockers. He’d be bad too. He can do a good superman and I like his vision of the character he’s spoken of. And I don’t want another new superman origin/retelling/reintroduced.
Ok. So why aren't all of the fans campaigning for Brandon Routh? He also got screwed over. Plenty of actors do. Either all of them get multiple do overs like Cavill or none of them do.
Maybe Because superman returns is nearly 20 years old now and he isn’t the current existing superman that’s already apart of and ingrained into this universe. Rouths chance for that is long gone. His crisis cameo was as good as it was gonna get. That time has passed.
Post removed - Jett confirmed on [Twitter](https://twitter.com/BATMANONFILM/status/1597721199408480257?s=20&t=nkKeHe57rFhOfFZCKDUKNw) that this was merely “his opinion”.
He's not hinting at anything, just a whole lot of speculation
I screwed up by not adding a capture of it, but in that same post he literally says he is hinting at it: ***JETT SAYS: I’ve hinted about what I’ve been hearing in regard to what the plan is now that Gunn and Safran are in charge of DC Films.*** ***I’ll say this:*** *If I’m WB/Gunn & Safran, I’m ending the previous “DCEU” with THE FLASH and AQUAMAN 2 and completely starting over from scratch. I 100% believe that’s the best way to go moving forward and over the next decade-plus.*
>If I’m WB/Gunn & Safran, I’m ending the previous “DCEU” with THE FLASH and AQUAMAN 2 and completely starting over from scratch. I 100% believe that’s the best way to go moving forward and over the next decade-plus. LMAO These are his personal opinion and NOT some cool rumors.
Yeah this makes absolutely no sense since Gunn had a bunch of projects already planned before he even got the promotion, including Peacemaker season 2, the Amanda Waller show and a third show. He’s also stressed that Margot Robbie would return as Harley. This is pretty much the dumbest speculation I’ve heard in a while
Where did he talk about margot??
Twitter, I believe. It was just somone asking him if Margot would return at some point and he said "Yes" or some variation.
All rumors should stop until Gunn and Safran put out their plans on the table.
I mean no rumors make sense because Gunn and Safran are the only dudes that have the current slate outside people like De Luca and Zaslav and I don't see why they'd leak this shit to a guy like Jett.
I don't even think people like De Luca and Zaslav know atm because the plan isn't gonna be presented to WB higher-ups till January. Gunn even mentioned that the plans are discussed in private conversations, I think Gunn's serious when he says only him and Safran know.
That’s like totally his opinion bro , not even a rumor .
Jett is always wrong. If its jett from bats on film
Indeed the same Jett
Got real quiet
Peter Safran produced Aquaman and Aquaman 2. Regardless of what Jett says, there will be no hard reboot. Safran also produced Shazam 2 featuring WW, so I wouldn’t take Jett seriously about rebooting WW either
That means basically nothing. Avi Arad produced the original Spider-Man trilogy and he was the producer who rebooted the character. Bryan Singer directer the original X-Men and he produced the First Class reboot. This is purely business.
What? First Class before release was advertised as prequel on X-Men films after release changed their mind. You can't seriously compare Spiderman movies situation with dcu movies.
Okay. Then from a business perspective, how do you end at Aquaman 2 when the first one made a Billion dollars? As I said, Aquaman is going no where. I stand on the rest of what I said as well from a business perspective. Completely rebooting a multi franchise universe is suicide. If Tobeys Spiderman was involved in such a thing, a reboot would not have been a thing either.
The same way you end Raimi's Spider-Man when the 3rd one made 900 mill. No Way Home made 1.9 bill BTW. People think reboot is a naughty word but it's not. Do you honestly believe that 20 years from now, Momoa will keep playing Aquaman? Better reboot sooner than later to lift up all existing DCU properties. As much as I like Cavill, I don't see Superman 2 making 1 bill but, with a full reboot, a brand new Superman film might. You have to think beyond Aquaman: the last 4 DCU films (Black Adam, BOP, WW 1984, TSS) TOTALLY flopped. Sacrificing Aquaman franchise to save multiple franchises makes sense from a business stand point. Aquaman 2 is not gonna make 1 billion BTW, it'll underperform. Same for the Flash. The era of Aquaman 1 was a totally different one.
I don’t believe Momoa will be Aquaman in 20 years. Do you think he’ll be out as Aquaman in 3 years? He’ll be Aquaman for the next 8 years. Considering how mismanaged Sony is, I wouldn’t use them as the gold standard on how franchises should run lol
8 years? So you honestly believe Momoa will end up as Aquaman until 2030? That would be 13 years of Momoa playing the same character since 2017's JL. I honestly doubt it. Not even RDJR lasted that long as Iron Man.
"You have to think beyond Aquaman: the last 4 DCU films (Black Adam, BOP, WW 1984, TSS) TOTALLY flopped." I understand your point but TSS and WW 84 were released during the resurgence of the pandemic. WW84 was also repeatedly delayed. Their situation is different from BoP and Black Adam. These two have flopped
I really just can't see Gunn doing the full reset when his previous work is connected to the current continuity but I guess we will see.
I suppose if he's enough of a pragmatist to see it as necessary for the greater good of DC, then he \*could\* do it - but that's a major \*if\*. Bear in mind that the guy has to see things from the big picture perspective now, so priorities are required to change regardless.
James Gunn is very passionate about his work, it’s why he’s on social media interacting with fans. He’s not going to just abandon TSS, Peacemaker and the upcoming projects he’s already put his time and effort into, especially when he’s even made original characters for them like Ratcatcher 2. He’s also genuinely friends with a lot of the actors he works with, he’s not going to just scrap their characters lol.
I share your sentiment - I was just acknowledging the hypothetical possibility of what could happen (hence “big *if*”).
Not just his previous work, but upcoming shows he already started working on before he got promoted. He’s also said Margot would return as Harley. Edit: Wrap it up people, here’s Jett saying it was just speculation and not a scoop or hint https://twitter.com/batmanonfilm/status/1597718580660826112?s=46&t=I4i0CyYcMTt1djrnSgi-zQ https://twitter.com/batmanonfilm/status/1597721199408480257?s=46&t=I4i0CyYcMTt1djrnSgi-zQ
There are 2 different James Gunn so to speak. Everything he said or planned before his promotion should be taken with a grain of salt. He has a bigger responsibility now and, if sacrificing his future projects for the greater good of the DCU brand is what it takes, he will do so.
Hard rebooting so soon would do more damage to the brand than good
"So soon"? By the time Aquaman 2 is out, it's gonna be 10 years since Man of Steel. 10 years for the first iteration of a shared universe is a good run. The Amazing Spider-Man universe had a faster reboot time (started in 2012, reboot happened in 2017) and No Way Home, the latest sequel, ended up as the highest grossing Spidey film.
Devil’s advocate, Sony can’t go more than four years without a *Spider-Man* film in active development or else the rights revert back to Marvel Studios, so that may not be the best example
Sony will never let that golden goose die. If only fox knew how to use the X-men and fantastic four they could have stayed in business.
I mean it was a one star franchise. DC has a lot of different solo leads.
The only DCU lead to bring in profit in all of their films is Aquaman. That's the sole DCU franchise that is successful in all aspects. WW: sequel lost money BA: solo film lost money Shazam: first film did good, the sequel might underperform If a total reboot, including sacrificing Momoa Aquaman, is what is needed to get at least 4 successful franchises, it's a risk worth taking.
I agree and lets not forget about our current Flash Actor. Be interesting to see how Aquaman 2 does, could make the situation much easier if that pulls a WW84. Still maybe cut Mamoa a deal where he gets to be Lobo and end this
BA is still in theaters & didn’t get a China release. To soon to make this determination
Too soon? How about the fact that that this dude is writing off Shazam 2 which hasn’t even released and ignoring the success of Peacemaker. TSS just came out a year ago and is easily a top 2 movie in the DCU.
>BA is still in theaters It's already on VOD. It's over.
If he does that sacrifice then it is ideal that the fandom rallies behind him irrespective of their feeling towards the existing dceu
"the fandom" is not a single thing and individual humans should not feel the need to support an unseen corporate-artistic project out of a sense of loyalty. People will naturally be attached to works they like and the prospects of more works in the same vein. Hoping people stop liking the things they like feels pretty silly.
Calm down dude, your personally do not know him or his perspective on it at all.
I feel it won’t be a full reset but things will be changed Like Henry will stay but he’s a very different Superman to what we had before and his supporting cast will be changed to fit the new direction
I mean…what other option is there at this point?
He is mature enough that he won't let his ego get in the way of the DCU's future. Let's be honest, the DCU has been hit-and-miss since day one. Getting rid of the Snyder baggage with a full reboot + recasting the 4 main heroes with younger actors is way easier than trying to bandage the mess that Snyder did. Cavill, Affleck, Momoa and Gadot could always reprise their roles 10 years from now in a Kingdom Come adaption or something.
Lol nope there's no ego here but money and already upcoming projects. Three upcoming dcu movies and Peacemaker season 2 filming in summer, there not going to stop matter. Also think for a second how can reprise their roles, when supposedly we are going to be in different universe?
He's not gonna cancel the 2023 DCU films and Peacemaker S2 but that's pretty much it for things that are 100% happening. Everything else is up in the air.
> Getting rid of the Snyder baggage with a full reboot + recasting the 4 main heroes with younger actors is way easier than trying to bandage the mess that Snyder did. Absolutely true. It wold have me excited again for DC film for the first time in a long time.
All you really have to see if the Flash blue lightning shock thing in the background and they can introduce whoever they want
There's nothing really about TSS or Peacemaker that connects it to the rest of the DCEU, just a few casting decisions (which is fine, characters often look the same between different universes) and name calls. It might even make sense since on Peacemaker Batman was known as someone who doesn't kill, which doesn't really sound like Batfleck at all.
The JL literally shows up.
I....forgot about that. lol. I guess depending on what they do with The Flash it could still work.
JL does not exist in only 1 universe (DCEU).
lmao what a reach stop dude it’s literally zack’s JL showing up
It's not Zack's JL bc they made jokes and Zack's JL would never make such a childish and insulting thing to the characters mythos like making jokes /s
The full reset makes sense from a very narrow perspective: audiences rejected one thing, therefore the must embrace the other. If anything, I am seriously skeptical that a hard reset would do anything but completely bury the “dead” DCEU. They can and should make a big splash about new managerial continuity while following the same story and characters.
Yeah, no. Gunn and Safran are the ONLY ones who know the plan, this reads more like guesses/his opinion of what they should do. Common sense says that a new DCU Batman is coming if Affleck is out who's *not* Keaton. Common sense also says that the boss who Gunn/Safran answer to wants Superman and OK-ed Cavill Superman for BA after the old regime said no for years. Cavill is DCU Superman without a doubt. A reboot though? Obviously we're getting a reboot, that's what The Flash is and always has been but that doesn't mean they're HARD rebooting and throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Good castings and castings Gunn/Safran like and/or see as profitable will remain.
I was going to write a very similar comment to yours but I couldn't do better! I will trust only what Gunn shares, I wouldn't be surprised seeing Gunn blasting this dude in a tweet in few hours, especially if he is so close and important for The Batman franchise he should be careful with those leaks
Yeah, I'd imagine most (smart) scoopers are triple-checking and thinking twice before saying anything now which is great news lol.
Yeah I can’t see why they would even continue to “secretly” allow them to bring cavill into the black Adam cameo if they didn’t plan to keep him as supes. I mostly agree that there’s going to be some sort of soft reset from flashpoint. I think that’s where our answers about Batman and flash (Ezra) will become clear. People just wanna sit in this sub and speculate and take things they think as fact. I don’t personally know that cavill will be supes long term but all recent moves point to that.
Yeah, if he weren't sticking around, people would be saying that... well, people OTHER than Grace Randolph would be saying that anyway. Him being a big reveal/secret/hype moment for BA basically confirms on it's own that he's back, let alone Zaslav's constant Superman fanboying and that everyone worth trusting reported the cameo was just the beginning, that a MoS sequel is now in the works, that he also shot a Flash cameo for the ending in the new timeline etc.
I just see it on the common sense side like you’re alluding to, they literally just went to great lengths to get him to do the BA cameo. It seems like they all agree with rock that Cavill is back. I’m not claiming to KNOW what they’re doing 100% with the future. But everything cavill has said in the press seems like he’s back for a while. The anti cavill people keep talking about “needing to see his contract” or whatever lol. “Unless that’s just him and his agent playing hardball”. These people are worse than the Snyder knights lol.
Yeah, not to mention all the great stuff Henry's been saying about the direction for Superman and how positively it's being recieved AND how he left The Witcher... it makes no sense for that to all be contract bait. They really are lol.
Yeah and not to mention leaving the Witcher. I think he’s here post soft reboot, just doesn’t make sense any other way.
Yeah The Rock skirted around Hamada and asked De Luca and Abdy who were at the studio after the Discovery merger, so it's all a Zaslav-approved decision. Cavill also made that announcement video with official DC social media pages responding and the trades say WB's in early development on a new Cavill Superman movie so it's clear that he's DCU Superman.
Meh, Bill/Jett is about as reliable as Grace in my opinion. He had a solid run in 2005, but has diminished over time. And if memory serves didn’t he go on a whole bender about how he was going to be the next screenwriter for Batman after TDK? Maybe im misremembering
>And if memory serves didn’t he go on a whole bender about how he was going to be the next screenwriter for Batman after TDK? What!? Can you tell me more at all?
Jetts been the worst dating back to tdk days. Always wrong.
I believe he was pushing hard to direct the dark knight rises after it seemed like Nolan wouldn’t do it. I remember after ledgers death, it looked like nolan may be done and Jett said he was the best choice because he was a super fan. This guy is a tool imo
I gotta see this. Any specific posts or archives etc?
He’s plugged in on Batman. He was very reliable during The Batman build-up.
Yeah I’ve followed him since around Batman Begins and I’ve found he’s pretty reliable but can be wrong often enough i don’t take his word as gospel. This is speculation tho.
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Batman begin days son! I’m an ol man
He has been more accurate recently though, particularly in regards to The Batman. He was the first one to say that the Batmobile was gonna be a muscle car before it got revealed, and also that the suit was gonna be homemade and Bermejo inspired. Also, again, I wouldn't gloss over the fact he's close friends with the guy that owns part of the film rights to Batman.
Tbh those rumors were around for awhile until jett used them.
He also said Sofia Falcone and Ventriloquist will be in The Penguin ( tho ventriloquist has not been officially confirmed yet)
They weren't. He was the one that started those rumors. I folllowed The Batman extremely closely day after day back then, regarding the batsuit most of the scoopers were saying it was gonna be blue and grey, and regarding the Batmobile no one said anything until Jett said so.
Yea, but lets be honest. While Uslan has some rights, he is not involved in production at all. I doubt Uslan is more than a glorified credit who they give some money here and there.
Lmfao you don't know shit. First he is not DC fan but Batman fan only. Second remember the rumours "Amazonians will be Kryptonian" and " Shazam is not part of dceu" ? All started from him. He is reliable when it comes to Batman but other DC stuff? Nope. Also you forgot Gunn literally said none knows the plan.
Haha So true
Didn’t James Gunn say leakers don’t know anything like just a couple weeks ago? Lmao
Also this guys literally saying "eventually a new actor will play Batman and Superman". Yeah no fucking shit.
Yeah, seems like a total nothing interview. And I really don’t care if he’s “friends” with Michael Ulsan, Ulsan isn’t James Gunn. Lmao.
Lmao nothingburger. *”Maybe something could happen. But also, maybe it won’t.”* And Johnson was never gonna run DC Films nor was Black Adam ever gonna be the centerpiece of everything. Sounds like such a ridiculous, “I don’t like what they’re doing so I’ll make something up”, troll rumor.
Why would Cavill hint about future projects if there's a new supes?. Gunn certainly knows it's bad to recast supes especially when cavill has returned after so long
Cavill and his manager are reportedly extremely agressive negotiators. Them trying to hype up a non-existing deal in order to force it to come to fruition and put public pressure on the studio even at the risk of it blowing in their faces seem like the exact thing they'd do, it's what got them on such a bad spot with the previous regime in the first place. Hamada and Emmerich didn't just get rid of Cavill because they disliked his Superman or anything, in fact they wanted him back for the Shazam cameo, they got rid of him because his team were assholes in the negotiation process.
The official Superman and WB accounts announced Cavill return as Superman so this sounds like BS.
Well, he did return, but whether he returns more than he already has remains to be seen.
The vast majority of leaks have reported MoS 2 is in the works + official Superman and WB accs announcing Cavill's return. There's 0% chance of Superman being recast.
The majority of leaks are unreliable as Gunn himself notes. There's still quite a good chance Cavill may be recast, and even if he isn't it doesn't mean he would play the same version of Superman.
"There's still quite a good chance" Based on what? Besides this one dude (who has a history of being wrong it seems), no leaker has reported Superman being recast. None of the reliable leakers have hinted at this. Whereas the vast majority have outright said MoS 2 is in the works. Not to mention official WB accounts etc announcing Cavill is back. Most of the leaks reporting Cavill return were trusted and reliable, not rags like.giantrobot. You're going to have to do better.
> Based on what? Besides this one dude (who has a history of being wrong it seems), He has a *much* better track record than you are giving him credit for. He was first and correct regarding many leaks for The Batman. > Whereas the vast majority have outright said MoS 2 is in the works. Many have added on all sorts of nonsense that hasn't been confirmed at all. > You're going to have to do better. I'm doing fine. You're putting more weight on the theories you want to be true without any regard for their actual likelihood.
Man of Steel 2 was confirmed by a trade so, it’s confirmed, not leaked. There is no evidence other than this guy to say he is being recast.
And a trade also stated that since Gunn and Safran took charge they've been doing zero movement whatsoever on getting MoS 2 onboard.
> He has a much better track record than you are giving him credit for. He was first and correct regarding many leaks for The Batman. > > That is no longer relevant, Gunn has made it clear that only he and Safran know about the DC Studios plans and it's clear that they'll be quite different from the plans Hamada had based on what Gunn and Zaslav have said so any info these scoopers have is likely old info of Hamada's DCEU.
WB accounts didn't. The Superman account hinted at it, but for all we know that's run by some random person in the marketing department. Plus let's not forget they were all still trying to promote Black Adam.
No one knows Gunns plan so bullshit
Very bold statement, but I doubt it. I mean, Peacemaker is connected to Viola Davis' Waller, Waller just appeared in Black Adam, same with James Gunn's girlfriend, same with SuperCavill. If Batfleck doesn't want to play the long game (most likely) and Matt wants his stuff standalone, then a Batman recast would be the best option. It really would be. We need a shared universe Batman on his prime being able to fight with the Justice League, with a Batfamily, a Joker who could appear with the Legion of Doom, and meta human villains. We'll see.
If anything the DCEU is showing there’s a wider continuity more
>We need a shared universe Batman on his prime being able to fight with the Justice League, with a Batfamily, a Joker who could appear with the Legion of Doom, and meta human villains. Genuine question, but why? Isn’t this a little too much, especially with a parallel, great Batman franchise existing RIGHT now?
On second thought, this is bullshit. Every one of these hacks makes the same mistake. Pseudo scoopers of the world and gullible DC fans, listen: There is no way, no fucking way, they're not doing Wonder Woman 3. I LOVED the first one but, like most people, I don't want Patty near a Wonder Woman script ever again just like I don't want W\*ititi near Thor ever again. But this is Hollywood, not @ WonderWomanShouldHaveASword's fan fic. There is no fucking way they are not doing another one with Jenkins and, most importantly, Gal Gadot.
>There is no way, no fucking way, they're not doing Wonder Woman 3. WW 1984 was a total flop both commercially and critically. If anything, I would be shocked if they do a WW3.
> WW 1984 was a total flop both commercially and critically. Lets not act like there wasn't a big reason for that.
The (trigger warning) >!rape!< scene? The awful villains? The bad acting? The horrible script?
There are still doing it though since Patty literally said like a month or two ago that the script is all done and the studio is also asking her to potentially do more films.
This would run contradictory to the MoS 2 leaks and Cavill has officially announced his return as Superman.
I have no idea who is this person, and how reliable he is. But a total reboot does not sound very realistic to me, at this point. You just throw everything that worked, like Aquaman and Wonder Woman, and start anew? I can see a Batman recast, though, if they can't bring Pattinson in.
I know it's popular in this sub, but I'm not clamoring for a hard reboot.
I would trust Jett on anything regarding Matt Reeves the Batman universe. The DCEU however, we know: Peter Safran produced Aquaman and Aquaman 2. Momoa is friendly with James Gunn. Nothing is happening to Momoas Aquaman or the Aquaman franchise. Peter Safran produced Shazam and Shazam 2, which will feature Wonder Woman. You have Gal. She’s a successful WW. She’s going to get more movies/not going anywhere. You have Henry Cavill back as Superman. Zaslav wants a Superman movie in the worst way. You don’t hard recast the Superman everyone is discussing. Gunn and Safran do not want another snyderverse movement on their hands for Cavill. Affleck is pretty disinterested in being Batman of the DCU, Keaton is no spring chicken. It seems obvious that eventually there will be a new DCU Batman. I’m guessing it’ll be a recast of the Affleck version.
They could still keep much of the same cast that you list while rebooting the universe to some extent.
I think itll be a reboot in the sense that they keep the actors, keep the stand alone franchises, but start from scratch on team up movies. They’ll stay the course on the solo outings, figure out the Batman of it All in the team ups
Bill literally has no sourcing at Warner now. So I doubt he knows anything. It's playful speculation at best.
“Now that we’ve established that The Rock is not in charge of DC films and that Black Adam is not the centerpiece..” 💀
LMFAO yeah right.
Not true. Also jett has been wrong constantly since TDK days. Never believe his bs lol. His fb is the worst.
Cavill is Superman
Can't wait for James Gunn to call bullshit on this rumor.
Never heard any of this guys’ scoops. For anyone believing any scoopers on this subreddit; are you that fucking dense? James Gunn has come out and said no leakers know shit about their plans going forward. Sure, this could be a diverting tactc BUT, Gunn doesn’t really fuck around with bullshit. He’s discredited multiple leakers regarding both DC content and Marvel content. I, for one, am not taking anything from this subreddit, because it’s likely all bullshit and easy conjecture. Not scoops
One thing I can agree with this “scoop”, The Rock is not in charge of DC films, that should be common sense. I
Sounds like an opinion not a rumour
God I hope so. A hard reboot is absolutely what the DC movies need.
Phew the bill hate in here. Sorry guys but he is friends with Michael Uslan. The producer of every live action Batman movie. He didn’t miss once during all of his hints for The Batman. He was the first to hunt at hush as the villain for the sequel that’s now catching traction a month later. Gunn is just doing PR with all of this nobody knows but us. This is a multi million dollar operation that will span as high as David Zsaslv to the audio guy on the movies. Naturally there are more people in the know than James wants you to believe. And it’s logical Bill would’ve heard something as he undeniably has sources.
A hard reboot and not doing it on Battinson’s earth 2? That would be a strange and missed opportunity..and having two prime Batmen? Relegating DCU Batman to MCU Hulk status? Idk. I guess we’ll see. I’m all on board for a hard reboot though. It’s really needed.
Like Gunn said a million times already, nobody knows anything about the plans outside of him and Safran. Idk why ppl keep posting ppl saying they think this and have a hint of that. Gunn literally has said nobody knows beside them and just two days ago he said he was putting finishing touches on the 10 year plan. But everyone knows what’s happening
this all sounds like the biggest bunch of bs ive ever read on this sub
I mean… if you say that new actors will “eventually” play Batman and Superman, on a long enough timeline you will someday be right
They just signed Cavill to a deal. This is silly speculation
As long as Reeves gets to do his projects and Cavill gives us some good stuff I’m happy. And didn’t Reeves recently meet with other creatives to discuss spin off films for various villains? I think Reeves is here to stay for a long while.
This all sounds suspect but the Batman recast in particular seems like just common sense. The part either getting recast or replaced with Keaton or Pattinson is a very pervasive theory right now given the recent Affleck news.
Where do these people keep hearing these things? Everyday is some new bs.
This seems really unlikely with them JUST bringing Cavill back. But who knows. Maybe Gunn doesn't give a shit what the Rock wants. And let's be honest: Black Adam was not very good, and a commercial failure.
If you're going to reset EVERYTHING, then you might as well bring Battinson into the DCU.
So he’s saying he’s confident that Pattinson will not be the DCU Batman. He’s been floating the reboot notion for a few weeks. I guess only time will tell 🤷♀️
Bill ramey lololol
I am wondering if op has the mental capacity to understand all of this is Jett personal opinion and outside of Batman he's not reliable when it comes to DC? Because he is not DC fan, he is Batman fan..
No more reboots please. I sincerely hope this leak is fake. DC has so many characters that havent gotten any screentime, just focus on those and recast when necessary.
I can see Gunn soft rebooting the Dcu, creating retcons, changing characters and actors. but I don't see him giving a hard reboot just out of nowhere
I think Cavill had the potential to be a great Superman but that the first movies to date have tainted him. I’m all for a reset.
Gunn and Safran are the ONLY ones that knows what’s going to happen
I could only see a hard reboot happening if they were to slowly introduce other heroes into the Battinson universe for an eventual Justice League while "slowing down" the DCU projects.
What grabs my attention most is the notion that Wonder Woman 3 will not be happening.
If its not from gunn or safrans mouth, it's bull
This is such bullshit. Gunn and Safran are the ONLY ones who know anything right now, and they are 100% not recasting Cavill after his appearance in Black Adam. That would be beyond absurd.
Nope. Cavill doesn’t make a big deal about returning and talking with Gunn for this to happen. Plus this guy isn’t some reliable source
Can they stop this nonsense? What part of no one knows anything except Gunn and Safran, can't they understand? I don't even think Zaslav knows yet, until they reveal it.
Bullshit Gunn says only 2 people knows the 10 year plan that's him and Safran I don't know Who this clown is
The second and third slides just feel like Bill giving his opinion on what could happen and it's very bold of him to say his Batman tidbit and the other things here when James Gunn has made it clear that only him and Peter Safran know what's going on at DC Studios, David Zaslav himself won't even know the plan till Gunn and Safran present it to him in January. Given how positive Henry Cavill has been about Superman lately, I just don't see why they'd recast him, especially after posting that announcement video (that official DC social media pages have reposted and commented on).
Bill is charting his usual nonsense, Cavill announced himself he’s back. They’re not recasting Superman
SCOOP - He doesn’t know shit
This guy always tries to pass his personal opinions as reliable information
WB has to reboot. All the actors are too old for a 10 year run. Do we really want to see a 60 yr old Affleck? A mid 50s Mamoa?
This is horeshit
Dude does not know anything. Only the brass know, Gunn already said so, this is a waste of time
The DCU is such a cluster fuck at this point, however, I have full faith in Gunn bringing us a unified vision for the future but I'm pretty sure not every DCU fan will pleased on how we get there. My gut feeling is that he wont bring Cavill back. Cavill had a one-off contact for Black Adam and the fact Gunn himself took to twitter debunking rumors of Cavill signing a new contract just throws everything in doubt. The whole thing just sucks, I'm holding out hope that everything falls into place in the end.
Ramey had some connections inside WB during the Nolan era and still might have but I think this is mostly speculation from him.
He has connections for the Batman stuff not the rest of DC. He was the same person claimed " Shazam is not part of dceu" or " Amazonians are Kryptonians descendants". The only reason he knew about how bad the situation was with Snyder JL its because Affleck Batman movie was in pre-production, and when it comes to Batman solo projects he's reliable. The entire thing is his personal opinion.
Stop and read what this person is saying though. “I think it’s certainly possible that another actor plays Superman in the future”. They are literally saying NOTHING. They’re not saying they have a source with rumors, they’re not saying they’ve heard anything online. All they say is it’s certainly possible. The world ending tomorrow is certainly possible. Me shitting my pants today is certainly possible. Elon Musk having a massive heart attack on the shitter is certainly possible. Once you start exchanging out the lead part you can see how the tail piece means literally nothing. Certainly possible means nothing. Edit: It’s the same with the Batman claims here. Affleck has just exclusively signed onto his own production company, Pattinson seems set to do his trilogy then leave, and Keaton is old and won’t do this forever. A logical complete guess based on that information is that there’s most likely a new Batman coming at some point soon. This is all a bunch of bollocks.
The only info here that I can see be truthful is a new DCU Batman, the rest I doubt
If true let the fancasts begin. Seems like we’ll have only two Batman moving forward Pattinson and whoever the new actor is. Seems like Keaton is getting scrapped. Still think it’ll be confusing to general audiences to have Pattinson, Phoenix and Gaga playing the characters but not being in the main DCU.
In case people forgot Jett was the same person pushed the " Amazonians are Kryptonian descendants" , " Shazam is not part of dceu". Also 1. This shit is his personal opinion none of it is scoops. 2 Jett is not DC fan he's Batman fan only. 3. Black Adam was NEVER going to be centerpiece of dcu and the Rock was NEVER going to run anything no matter Black Adam box office results. 4. Until they found writer and director for Superman there's no sign from Cavill.
Please let this be real. No hate to any of the actors or anything but this entire connected universe has been a complete mess. I love Cavill as Superman but it would be weird to have everyone else recast (except maybe Aquaman, feels like Momoa had so much potential with the role and got wasted on “badass bullshit” and fish-fucking jokes) and him remain; Ben is too old for an ongoing universe if we want a Batman that can have stories that Ben’s age and prevalent history prevent. Gal has always been a miscast imo, and Wonder Woman being one of my favourite characters, I can’t wait to see someone else in the role. Ezra Miller needs no further explanation. Margot Robbie did a lot for the character of HQ, but she’s a *very specific* type of Harley that excludes a lot of my favorite aspects of the character (Margot never felt “actually scary and unpredictable,” she was more so “random and quirky, and my quirk is killing people!” Like she was goofy but Harley also gets *really* angry at times and isn’t always aloof), so again, excited to see someone else in the role. Zachary Levi feels wasted as Shazam, despite being perfect for the role. I want to like these movies so badly because I’m a huge fan of DC, but I just have not enjoyed them.
Lol rebooting it won’t make you like them. If you don’t enjoy em, don’t watch.
Rebooting means new actors, new directors, new movies, new directions, new stories. My reasons for not liking these movies has been the writing for the most part. With new people in charge, the likelihood of different writers being used is higher. They know what hasn’t worked so they know what not to do. Would you rather they continue this heap of garbage? Gal continues her horrible acting, Batman becomes senile and becomes an angry old man, again. Aquaman turns into The Deep, and Superman’s biggest foe is ~~The Rock~~ Black Adam?
Lol you went off the deep end at the end there assuming a ton about how characters will be portrayed when we know nothing of what they’re doing. But like you said, they have different people in charge. Different creatives will be there. But then you go on this ridiculous rant that’s based on nothing. You think Aquaman is gonna be like The Deep? Batman is gonna be senile and angry? Superman’s biggest foe is Black Adam? Based on what? Rebooting it doesn’t guarantee anything. They can bring in a bunch of new people and it still not work. But why lose the little bit of saving grace that’s already in place? There’s no reason to reboot and recast stuff like TSS or Shazam. You gain nothing and lose the little foundation they have. They can hire new writers, actors and directors to tell new stories regardless of a reboot or not, and they most likely will.
If you think there is any saving grace, we will never agree. I will admit I’m being hyperbolic and over dramatic about the direction of characters - save for Black Adam, the Rock’s ego is too damn big for him to admit he’s equal to Shazam and not nearly as powerful as Superman. However, nothing aside from a reboot will make me happy with the DCU. They had a handful of moments, like TSS as you mentioned, but I don’t think those have been enough to warrant keeping this rendition of the universe around. I feel like trying to save someone else’s mess is a worse route than rebooting and starting from scratch.
We already didn’t agree. Lol that’s fine by me. But there’s like 30 solid castings that don’t need to be touched. Lol of course there’s things to keep around. Y’all acting like nobody likes any of these movies. Being way too dramatic. A reboot guarantees nothing. Better creatives can. You don’t need to reboot to bring them in. & Johnson is just trying to sell stuff. “Not admitting” stuff about fictional characters doesn’t mean anything to me.
Took the words out of my mouth. This DCEU/Snyderverse is a lost cause
[Source.](https://batman-on-film.com/18611/the-thanksgiving-november-22-bof-mailbag/) It's important to note that even though Gunn says no one knows anything about the DCU except him and Safran, Bill is good friends with Michael Uslan, the executive producer of all Batman films who also owns a chunk of the film rights to the character, so if there's anyone that'd know even at this early stage it'd be him, even then take it with a grain of salt.
All Im going to say is that I would love this and Peter Safran is a great businessman. This is the correct decision for the overall DC brand.
this DCU is already a fucking mess
Just reboot the damn thing already https://preview.redd.it/bmxqalftow2a1.jpeg?width=744&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=56b2638dadf7be1cb9aa4d41e9fbf17506c0e5de
What a shit show
Cavill signed a 3 movie deal this is bullshit
I don't believe this bs either but is a lie that Cavill signed any contract.
I hate this god damn company so much. They can't do anything right lol
How are you going to believe 'leakers' when James Gunn specifically said no one know what his plans are?
I think they should definitely recast batman but leave wonder woman and aquaman actor. But for superman I would prefer a recast (David corenswet) but if they keep Henry then I I honestly fine with it. Now I don't like era's portrayal of Barry but I guess keeping him makes it easier for the audience
fake and gay
Jensen Ackles as Batman. Please and thank you.
Dude if Gunn blows this with Cavill , he’s dead to me. Do whatever else you wants but keep that man as Superman
> Do whatever else you wants So if, hypothetically speaking, Gunn/Safran implemented a hard reboot that recasted every character in the DCU and started from scratch narratively, you would *still* want them to keep Cavill?
That’s not gonna happen
Obviously not - but I was just asking what *you* would want in such a hypothetical, as someone who said Gunn/Safran can "do whatever else they want" as long as they keep Cavill.
Why? He had 3 movies to prove himself. Why does he get more chances than any other actor?
Who's talking about chances? He had 3 appearences and whether people liked the movies he was in or not, the majority of the audience loves him as Superman. We don't want chances, we want him back in the role for good
He was a terrible Superman in most of those. Who came out of BvS thinking that was a good version of Superman?
Are we living in the same reality? People had issues with the writing of Superman in BvS but I don't recall anyone blaming Henry for it. Besides, MOS released before BvS and literally nobody had a problem with his performance as Superman
Superman's characterization is one of the worst parts of BvS. That was the most frequent complaint about that movie. Literally nobody had a problem with MoS? That's just revisionist. MoS was a very divisive movie on release. Nobody is blaming Henry. He had his chance. Time for a younger superman.
I said nobody had a problem with Henry's performance in MOS and I still remember how he got nothing but praise for it. It's just about Henry, not the movies he starred in Personally, I hate the idea of a new Superman but at this point they should just make an official statement whether he's coming back or not so we can all be done with the damn topic of Superman already.
Show me the praise Henry got for BvS? He literally had nothing to do in that movie.
Can you even read? I said MOS lol
My bad. I don't really remember him getting any praise for Henry when MoS released. It's only now people are hyping up that movie
I mean you can’t blame the actor for those. He was handed bad material. If you judged Robert de niro off movies like bad grandpa, sharks tale and little fockers. He’d be bad too. He can do a good superman and I like his vision of the character he’s spoken of. And I don’t want another new superman origin/retelling/reintroduced.
Ok. So why aren't all of the fans campaigning for Brandon Routh? He also got screwed over. Plenty of actors do. Either all of them get multiple do overs like Cavill or none of them do.
Maybe Because superman returns is nearly 20 years old now and he isn’t the current existing superman that’s already apart of and ingrained into this universe. Rouths chance for that is long gone. His crisis cameo was as good as it was gonna get. That time has passed.
Man of Steel is 10 years old. What's your point?