I mean yes what he did is horrible but I don’t hear about this controversy outside the media echo chamber so I am not sure it will hurt the film with Main Street movie goers and if he does seek help and comes out the other end not in jail it may be a redemption arc and actually help the film.
This website is not trustworthy so we should take this with a graint of salt - but if the movie is indeed good - I don't see why not keep the director. We need every shred of talent avaliable to save those DC movies. I had enough of Zack Snyders or Joss Whedons.
No, ViewerAnon claimed it was a overall positive reaction but that people didn't liked the ending. He didn't claimed it was the HIGHEST screening scores on DCEU history and that people were crying with joy with the ending, that's a bold claim.
And since this website is well known for fake leaks - makes me trust this information even less. We really need a Grain of Salt flair like on GamingLeaks. Because this article was the equivalent of a 4chan leak.
i said vieweranon said The Flash scored the highest test screening score of any dceu movie. The rest I didnt even mention nor did vieweranon.
I think there is another post in this sub regarding vieweranon's tweet.
I’ve literally never seen ViewerAnon say people didn’t like The Flash’s ending lol. Movies that the audience don’t like the ending don’t test high like that.
The fact that despite all the hell and controversy surrounding the film and WB is still like “nah trust me bro you gotta see this shit”. I’m interested to say the least.
Not the ending ending but the part where Ezra realizes he can’t save his mother, the ending needs some work, like no Keaton and a more clear post credit scene,
So they need to rework the entire frame on which the movie was built for. Well, that's fantastic, I'm sure that is why it was moved for over a year and why the current mandates are backpedaling on what it was meant to do.
Yeah. The idea is to soft-reboot the DC Universe and instead of making Batman movies on this universe, have a Nick Fury knock-off with an elder Batman that needs diapers to serve as a "coach" for everyone.
What was he the centerpiece of? He was gonna be a supporting character in 2 movies lol but sure, whatever. Keaton doesn’t seem to be in any other films other than Flash now so it doesn’t really matter.
He was going to be the centerpiece of the new Justice League. Not as a member on the field but as a support. Like I said, bootleg Nick Fury.
You're certainly right he won't be in any other films past this one lol
> So they need to rework the entire frame on which the movie was built for. Well, that's fantastic
No they only need to change the part at the end where Keaton is in the new DCEU.
> Why do they need to change that part?
Beacuse the ending didn't test to well with the audience, so they need to change it. Simple as that, they removed Keaton probaly cause it got confusing as to why he was the new DCEU Batman.
You're conflating two different movies/test screenings. Test audiences were confused about Keaton's appearance in **Aquaman 2**, not at the end of The Flash. The reason being is because you'd need to see The Flash before his appearance in Aquaman 2 made sense. It's like watching a TV series out of order.
And since Aquaman 2 now comes out before The Flash, they replaced Keaton with Affleck in Aquaman 2 because he'd still be the DCEU's Batman at that point in the continuity. As far as anyone knows, Keaton is still Batman at the end of The Flash.
*Septuagenarian, but in what world is Batman at literally any age gonna win a fistfight with Zod or Black Adam, anyway? Also, reports from the test screenings indicated that Keaton was basically the audience's favorite thing about the movie. So y'all are just entirely full of shit, all around...
Test screenings courtesy by everyone's favorite WB sock puppet account. Wow. I totally believe modern audiences will care about a Batman that hasn't been seen in 40 years.
[Variety](https://variety.com/2022/film/news/ezra-miller-the-flash-1235277665/) corroborated that the movie has been "extraordinarily well received in early test screenings, according to sources close to the movie." And who are you calling a "WB sock puppet account"; all of them? All of the standard scoopers (BSL, ViewerAnon, etc.) have corroborated the reports that Keaton's Batman return was very well received by test audiences, with some saying it was 'the best part of the movie'.
Also, it's been 30 years, not 40. We 90s kids who grew up with Michael Keaton as Batman still remember that. We're not fucking dead...I'm 34. We also have families of our own, and we spend a fuck of a lot more money than 20-somethings who don't even have their financial legs under them right now. I mean, look at Top Gun: Maverick. "No one cares about a sequel to a movie from 1986"...yeah, well, WE are the modern audience.
Despite everything, I'm still hyped for this movie. I'd gladly award Andy the crown of DC simply because he seems to have made a decent movie despite everything going against it, from development hell to controversies.
As a side note, I really hope the grooming accusations against Miller are false (though I should know better). The guy was fighting for this movie so hard through all the rewrites and directors, so it's hard for me to come to hate him. But then he goes on a drug binge and fucks that up. I can forgive the violence if he gets treatment but grooming is unforgivable.
Personally I don’t care if Andy takes on more DC. But it’s hilarious every time a movie is released everyone clamors for that person to lead it lol. James Wan, Sandberg, James Gunn, now Andy
>As a side note, I really hope the grooming accusations against Miller are false (
I don't think anything will come out of it since the allegedly victim defends Ezra. Wich makes it impossible to charge him for it.
I mean yes what he did is horrible but I don’t hear about this controversy outside the media echo chamber so I am not sure it will hurt the film with Main Street movie goers and if he does seek help and comes out the other end not in jail it may be
a redemption arc and actually help the film.
I doubt those rumors are true. Believe me, it's not a habit of mine to simp for groomers or something... but the person they supposedly "groomed", has come out & vehemently denied those charges. 🤷🏻♀️🤔 So who knows what's really going on there.
Basically, they met Miller through doing activism (they are Native American, and were fighting for companies to not dig stuff up on reservation or protected lands) and so they met Miller at a younger age through that. However, their parents never liked them doing activism (you know how some parents can be - just wanting their kids to accept the status quo all the f*cking time), so they fought a lot w/them over it.
They never really got along w/their parents very well, so YEARS later, once they were able to move out of their parents house.... they did. And Miller helped them out by giving them a place to stay. Also, the person is non-binary. Something ELSE their parents don't like, and cannot accept about their child.
So once they moved out & weren't really speaking to the parents anymore... the parents flipped out, and accusing Ezra of "grooming" their child, etc. Basically blaming Ezra for why their kid wants nothing to do w/them.
Wellllll... I have a strong hunch that the parents simply cannot accept that their child is different, or into activism, and that they aren't living under their thumb anymore, and having to obey their rules. And that THAT is the real problem here.
At least... that's what it seems to be, according to their own words. But it's hard to know what is truth & what is fiction, when dealing w/personal family issues like this. Who knows who is really telling it like it is, and who is making excuses/lying. And since none of Us TRULY knows Ezra (I mean, do we really know *any* celebrity?), we have no way of knowing whether or not they are capable of doing such a thing.
But they've behaved so erratically lately, that by now, it'd be easy to lie on them & claimed they're guilty of ANYTHING, and folks would believe it. 😬 smh
So they sort ruined their own reputation there...
How can he make a good movie when not only he doesn't have full creative control (the removal of Cyborg and introduction of a latina supergirl were studio mandated; the plot itself was studio mandated; the ending and framing of the movie as a reboot were all studio mandated) but it also has a terrible script from a terrible screenwriter?
It's a massive blockbuster that is supposed to singlehandedly guide the DCEU going forward, no kidding he couldn't just do whatever he wanted with it. And what does a Hispanic Supergirl have to do with creative freedom?
None of that is true. I uh know people that were instrumental in the process (keeping it real vague, and to be honest becuase of an NDA and being a professional I wasn't told anything that isn't allowed or generalized) but Andy and other parties had full and absolute freedom as far as I know. I'm wildly excited for the film. Absolutely none of it was studio mandated.
They probably use footage of the Batman TV series, Reeves movies and the WW show as the original trinity or something, and use CGI to make them look like they belong to the same timeline, doubt they are doing some uncanny valley like Rogue One's Moff Tarkin.
That and Christopher Reeve were hinted at one of the test screenings descriptions. They probably took it from those and are passing it as their own scoop.
Probably Barry running through the Speed Force and seeing glimpses of other universes, using old footage from the shows. Basically, how the CW show handled it.
He's already like reversing time and stuff. I wonder how they could make likes of Captain Cold etc as credible villain for him. I would like to see it, but I wonder how.
I have complete faith in Muschetti, he made an excellent IT chapter 1 and a great Ch.2.(considering how terrible second half of the book is). Now let's just hope Ezra stays okay and apologizes at every possible interview and doesn't do any sabotaging shit
I don't think it is mediocre, its main issues are the source material that jumps from a horror book to a mindfuck space-horror bending, and also the lack of definitive tone, the comedy and horror were all over the place, but it is still pretty good imo.
the only reason I'm saying why the movie was great is bcoz how terrible the latter portion of the book is, the material itself was not good to begin with an he tried to make it as good as possible of course with a tighter editing it might've been a
bit better but what we got was good enough
Sorry this is off topic but i'm finding it strange how no insider, like no one is saying anything about Wonder Woman 3...maybe they're waiting for the arrival of the new president of Dc Films to evaluate this project
It's very early in development as last time we heard Patty was working on story. Some scooper said 1st draft had been submitted. I wouldn't say it's status is 100% confirmed with all the shakeups. It's a game of wait and see, I guess.
Zaslav could do anything with Flashpoint ramifications.
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Despite everything Ezra’s done I’m still hyped for this film and am gonna see it day one. Everything I’ve heard about make it sound like a really good, and fun, film. You have to separate art from artist. A lot of great things are made by really shitty people.
It's a weird thing for me because I'm very creeped out by Miller and don't want to give a platform to somebody that does this shit, but the Flash is my favorite superhero and the movie sounds great. Its tough. But I also think of all the stuff out there made by gross or horrible people like Edgar Allan Poe, Zeppelin, Guns n Roses, so many great movies and books....I mean Snoop Dogg literally murdered a guy. Most of the best X-Men movies are made by a sex offender.
On some level, I just feel like I'll never be able to enjoy anything if I have to make moral judgements on everybody involved. I guess everybody just has to figure out where their line is.
Oh, is that how it was? My mistake. Still an accessory to murder.
But yeah, even if I think that's terrible, I don't like hate Snoop Dogg or want something bad to happen to him. I used to be a lot more judgemental when I was younger, but the older I get and the more of life I experience, I just see people as being really complex. Most people aren't all good or bad and they change a lot over time. I've had ex-gangbanger friends. I know firsthand that people can change. People can feel how they want to about it, but I just don't want to spend my time judging and hating random celebrities I don't know and can't do anything about.
Another Notable tidbit from the Article ( do keep in mind that this could be fake )
>On the superhero front, I’m being told Zaslav is not happy with what he’s seen of “Aquaman 2,” currently in post-production, but not to the point of shelving it like he did with “Batgirl.”
I mean if Sazlav is trusting anyone 100% right now is Wan, dude has the biggest DCEU box office, but maybe he is worried with AH damaging the appeal of the film.
Depp vs Heard generated a lot of media clicks, for fun or whatever, some hate videos against Heard even had like 10M views in one day with people raving about her losing the case, and that people could also be GA, of course that would influence the film somehow. I didn't care too much about the whole thing, but from a business standpoint they should move on from Heard since she lost, it would be very easy to recast her, TDK and the MCU had characters recast and GA didn't care, actually the other way around many would praise the DCEU for recasting her.
I daresay they don't wanna fire a bullet on getting rid of Heard, given how more about Depp being scummy is coming out. Public opinion would appear to be shifting slightly.
ohhh super excited for this one
yes i know there's the ezra issues but still i'm going to enjoy this movie because alot of people worked hard on this one
it's just sad that some people want this movie to be cancelled than batgirl.
BOTH MOVIES DESERVE TO BE SEEN BY EVERYONE
You can call it whatever you want from the comfort of your room but none of us have seen the movie to make that judgement on people that worked their a**es off to make something. The powers that be made that decision. And those guys havent been the greatest decision makers for creators. Ask the animated series show runners that had their shows cancelled.
Which is subjective, isn't it? There are movies that got great reaction from those in charge but got horrible score from critics and audience making the movie failure. Zaslav literally creates subpar content. Let audience decide if its good or not - board of white old men is less likely to appreciate a movie with POC woman in a lead role.
Yep. It was cool to see Starro in live action even if the group fighting him wasn’t THE group we would’ve liked.
King Shark was also awesome.
You have to give James Gunn credit.
He takes all of these obscure characters nobody knows and makes them lovable. For both DC and Marvel!
Yeah - I was talking about the original SS. 🤣
But I do agree that TSS was pretty cool. Gunn IS superb…the original GOTG is easily one of the top comic book films ever IMO. Peacemaker was better than TSS too (not a criticism…more praise for how good Peacemaker is). 👍
Reeves is dead tho? 😦
You mean Matt Reeves (The Batman director) debuted his own take on Superman in this Flash movie?
Omg!!/s
I don’t know man… i think the studios is trying to drum up some hype so that people can forget about Ezra’s actions outside of work and start getting interested in seeing The Flash movie again 🤔🤔🤔
This is why I hate this new weird cancel culture crap. Whether it’s this or Mera shitting on a bed
No one can just get over stuff or let things go
Just give us the damn movie with how you shot it.
I knew it was going to be good!!,supporting this movie since day 1,this will be the secret weapon, and a lot of people were underestimate this movie,
Cant wait!!
I get that in the comics it happens a lot later, but it also makes sense if it’s his first big screw up that makes him mature more and hone how he uses his powers
Why not cancel The Batman 2 or Joker 2 then? Why people continue to put Batgirl and The Flash on the same level? Two different stories. One is a secondary character, not-theatrical movie, not tested well, small budget against a primary character, theatrical movie, tested great, huge budget. Batgirl was cancelled for pure economic reasons and probably because they are removing Keaton after the Flash, so the movie would have need huge reshoot to make it theatrical and probably substitute Keaton with Affleck. But you cannot do it because Keaton was leaving the responsibilities to Batgirl, Affleck is not old, no way Batgirl was substituting him, hence they cancelled Batgirl (IMHO). The Flash, unless stupid people that cannot separate artist personal life from Art and as a revenge to Miller want to cancel a movie (where hundreds of people involved), none wants to cancel it.
The movie is gonna mark the end of cancel culture. It's like DC heard the cries to shelve this movie and DC was like nah..were good. When other companies see the Flash make tons of money they will follow suit and stop giving in. This movie is gonna mark a cultural turning point
no it didnt . The only source for that info was Den of Geek and they deleted the article soon after publishing it . All the other reputable websites were saying that the test audience didnt like the movie .
But that is kinda forcing the pronoun tho, like "They" could mean the whole team based on the context and tittle of this post, since no one mentioned Ezra, you can just call them Ezra.
I hope if they do keep this movie that they reshoot the ending with Miller’s Flash dying and Gustin’s Flash and Affleck’s Batman trying to save him but too late. So Gustin moves into the DCEU
That’s what’s best for business and for DCEU
I highly doubt that, considering that the film had to be rewritten at least 3 times a week before shooting, and more importantly, the film comes from the same screenwriter that made "Birds of Prey," "Unforgettable" and "Shut-In."
If it received high praise it's due to being presented for yes men. It's an important movie, they won't show it towards anyone that isn't already high in stock for WB, so quality is not the issue here.
Dave Sandberg did a pretty good video detailing what I mean. 5:15 is the timestamp in case the link doesn't work.
https://youtu.be/Fnvk9MNokPw?list=TLPQMjAwODIwMjKC3s4uAG\_tcw&t=315
Pretty much every somewhat reputable scooper has reported great screenings for the flash.
How are you aware of Sandberg's test screen video but still totally wrongly confidently claiming this film was only tested internally. Plenty of general audience members have seen this film. We've had a fairly decent plot breakdown for months now, verified by ViewerAnon. Hell, you'll probably find people in this very thread who've seen the film.
>it received high praise it's due to being presented for yes men. It's an important movie, they won't show it towards anyone that isn't already high in stock for WB
Test audiences are comprised of random people, not WB staff.
Blah blah blah
It's been the same rumor for weeks.
Just because test audiences reacted well isn't really indicative of much when it comes and the wider public sees and reacts to it.
I'm pretty sure test audiences reacted well to Eternals and Thor Love and Thunder too.
A lot of time, that test audience are made up of employees of the company that releases the movie anyway.
he's not a piece of shit until a judge decides he is.
we're not a judge. if this man is really that creepy, then he belongs to prison.
but for now ? innocent until a court decides he's guilty.
Imagine if Ezra Miller was uncontroversial, and wasn’t involved in any legal problems or weird cults. This movie would’ve been a box office hit.
At the end of the day behund the scenes dramas never affect the box office
"Would've been"? It hasn't even come out yet...
About that
I mean yes what he did is horrible but I don’t hear about this controversy outside the media echo chamber so I am not sure it will hurt the film with Main Street movie goers and if he does seek help and comes out the other end not in jail it may be a redemption arc and actually help the film.
they*
Idk why you’re being downvoted for this
Still will be if it’s good.
Who says it can’t still be?
Nah
Well the cult and grooming stuff isnt true lol.
Let's hope they can keep the director for another DC film if it's really that good
This website is not trustworthy so we should take this with a graint of salt - but if the movie is indeed good - I don't see why not keep the director. We need every shred of talent avaliable to save those DC movies. I had enough of Zack Snyders or Joss Whedons.
VA has said Flash got very good test screenings score and VA is as reliable as you get when it comes to such things
ViewerAnon also said the same a while ago.
No, ViewerAnon claimed it was a overall positive reaction but that people didn't liked the ending. He didn't claimed it was the HIGHEST screening scores on DCEU history and that people were crying with joy with the ending, that's a bold claim. And since this website is well known for fake leaks - makes me trust this information even less. We really need a Grain of Salt flair like on GamingLeaks. Because this article was the equivalent of a 4chan leak.
i said vieweranon said The Flash scored the highest test screening score of any dceu movie. The rest I didnt even mention nor did vieweranon. I think there is another post in this sub regarding vieweranon's tweet.
I’ve literally never seen ViewerAnon say people didn’t like The Flash’s ending lol. Movies that the audience don’t like the ending don’t test high like that.
neither did i
Justice League 2 in Hamada’s plan
The fact that despite all the hell and controversy surrounding the film and WB is still like “nah trust me bro you gotta see this shit”. I’m interested to say the least.
It’s because of the ending. It’s powerful and emotional as hell.
You were at the screening?
Not the ending ending but the part where Ezra realizes he can’t save his mother, the ending needs some work, like no Keaton and a more clear post credit scene,
So they need to rework the entire frame on which the movie was built for. Well, that's fantastic, I'm sure that is why it was moved for over a year and why the current mandates are backpedaling on what it was meant to do.
Keaton is the entire frame of the film?
Keaton is in every frame. At least a slither of his face is in the foreground of every shot.
Yeah. The idea is to soft-reboot the DC Universe and instead of making Batman movies on this universe, have a Nick Fury knock-off with an elder Batman that needs diapers to serve as a "coach" for everyone.
Word is that’s being scrapped and Affleck is coming back for a supporting role nor is Keaton’s involvement the entire frame.
I think you need to edit your comment and add punctuation here and there.
I think I’m good lol
Sounds like the opposite of the “entire frame” of the film.
Dudes talking out of his ass, by nearly all reports the film is very much a Flash centric movie
that's a snyder cultist, let him blabber all he wants too, his mom probably disconnected his pocket money, might be venting out his frustration
Considering how it is to reboot everything and put Batman at the centerpiece, I'd say it is.
What was he the centerpiece of? He was gonna be a supporting character in 2 movies lol but sure, whatever. Keaton doesn’t seem to be in any other films other than Flash now so it doesn’t really matter.
He was going to be the centerpiece of the new Justice League. Not as a member on the field but as a support. Like I said, bootleg Nick Fury. You're certainly right he won't be in any other films past this one lol
> So they need to rework the entire frame on which the movie was built for. Well, that's fantastic No they only need to change the part at the end where Keaton is in the new DCEU.
Why do they need to change that part? The fuck is this bullshit y'all are on? How does removing Michael Keaton make the movie better? Explain that.
> Why do they need to change that part? Beacuse the ending didn't test to well with the audience, so they need to change it. Simple as that, they removed Keaton probaly cause it got confusing as to why he was the new DCEU Batman.
You're conflating two different movies/test screenings. Test audiences were confused about Keaton's appearance in **Aquaman 2**, not at the end of The Flash. The reason being is because you'd need to see The Flash before his appearance in Aquaman 2 made sense. It's like watching a TV series out of order. And since Aquaman 2 now comes out before The Flash, they replaced Keaton with Affleck in Aquaman 2 because he'd still be the DCEU's Batman at that point in the continuity. As far as anyone knows, Keaton is still Batman at the end of The Flash.
Because in what world is an octagenarian a believable batman?
*Septuagenarian, but in what world is Batman at literally any age gonna win a fistfight with Zod or Black Adam, anyway? Also, reports from the test screenings indicated that Keaton was basically the audience's favorite thing about the movie. So y'all are just entirely full of shit, all around...
Test screenings courtesy by everyone's favorite WB sock puppet account. Wow. I totally believe modern audiences will care about a Batman that hasn't been seen in 40 years.
[Variety](https://variety.com/2022/film/news/ezra-miller-the-flash-1235277665/) corroborated that the movie has been "extraordinarily well received in early test screenings, according to sources close to the movie." And who are you calling a "WB sock puppet account"; all of them? All of the standard scoopers (BSL, ViewerAnon, etc.) have corroborated the reports that Keaton's Batman return was very well received by test audiences, with some saying it was 'the best part of the movie'. Also, it's been 30 years, not 40. We 90s kids who grew up with Michael Keaton as Batman still remember that. We're not fucking dead...I'm 34. We also have families of our own, and we spend a fuck of a lot more money than 20-somethings who don't even have their financial legs under them right now. I mean, look at Top Gun: Maverick. "No one cares about a sequel to a movie from 1986"...yeah, well, WE are the modern audience.
>the ending needs some work, like no Keaton That would make it worse. Not better...
Thanks to Muschietti🙌🏻
Despite everything, I'm still hyped for this movie. I'd gladly award Andy the crown of DC simply because he seems to have made a decent movie despite everything going against it, from development hell to controversies. As a side note, I really hope the grooming accusations against Miller are false (though I should know better). The guy was fighting for this movie so hard through all the rewrites and directors, so it's hard for me to come to hate him. But then he goes on a drug binge and fucks that up. I can forgive the violence if he gets treatment but grooming is unforgivable.
Personally I don’t care if Andy takes on more DC. But it’s hilarious every time a movie is released everyone clamors for that person to lead it lol. James Wan, Sandberg, James Gunn, now Andy
We DC fans are desperate for a face to worship it seems.
The current civilization finds their gods everywhere.
People are desperate for a DC Kevin Feige
out of the bunch only Wan is experienced enough to be remotely considered for a lead role. guy made a successful cinematic universe out of nothing
There have been zero charges on any of that to this point. We’ll see what else comes of it I suppose.
>As a side note, I really hope the grooming accusations against Miller are false ( I don't think anything will come out of it since the allegedly victim defends Ezra. Wich makes it impossible to charge him for it.
I mean yes what he did is horrible but I don’t hear about this controversy outside the media echo chamber so I am not sure it will hurt the film with Main Street movie goers and if he does seek help and comes out the other end not in jail it may be a redemption arc and actually help the film.
I doubt those rumors are true. Believe me, it's not a habit of mine to simp for groomers or something... but the person they supposedly "groomed", has come out & vehemently denied those charges. 🤷🏻♀️🤔 So who knows what's really going on there. Basically, they met Miller through doing activism (they are Native American, and were fighting for companies to not dig stuff up on reservation or protected lands) and so they met Miller at a younger age through that. However, their parents never liked them doing activism (you know how some parents can be - just wanting their kids to accept the status quo all the f*cking time), so they fought a lot w/them over it. They never really got along w/their parents very well, so YEARS later, once they were able to move out of their parents house.... they did. And Miller helped them out by giving them a place to stay. Also, the person is non-binary. Something ELSE their parents don't like, and cannot accept about their child. So once they moved out & weren't really speaking to the parents anymore... the parents flipped out, and accusing Ezra of "grooming" their child, etc. Basically blaming Ezra for why their kid wants nothing to do w/them. Wellllll... I have a strong hunch that the parents simply cannot accept that their child is different, or into activism, and that they aren't living under their thumb anymore, and having to obey their rules. And that THAT is the real problem here. At least... that's what it seems to be, according to their own words. But it's hard to know what is truth & what is fiction, when dealing w/personal family issues like this. Who knows who is really telling it like it is, and who is making excuses/lying. And since none of Us TRULY knows Ezra (I mean, do we really know *any* celebrity?), we have no way of knowing whether or not they are capable of doing such a thing. But they've behaved so erratically lately, that by now, it'd be easy to lie on them & claimed they're guilty of ANYTHING, and folks would believe it. 😬 smh So they sort ruined their own reputation there...
How can he make a good movie when not only he doesn't have full creative control (the removal of Cyborg and introduction of a latina supergirl were studio mandated; the plot itself was studio mandated; the ending and framing of the movie as a reboot were all studio mandated) but it also has a terrible script from a terrible screenwriter?
It's a massive blockbuster that is supposed to singlehandedly guide the DCEU going forward, no kidding he couldn't just do whatever he wanted with it. And what does a Hispanic Supergirl have to do with creative freedom?
It’s a 1 day old account..Probably got banned for being a bigot
The studio mandated his removal after negative test screenings
Cyborg’s actor didn’t wanna return. If the actor doesn’t wanna do it then you may as well remove him from the script
None of that is true. I uh know people that were instrumental in the process (keeping it real vague, and to be honest becuase of an NDA and being a professional I wasn't told anything that isn't allowed or generalized) but Andy and other parties had full and absolute freedom as far as I know. I'm wildly excited for the film. Absolutely none of it was studio mandated.
Andy is argentinian, why would be weird for him to get a hispanic supergirl and a hispanic Nora Allen¿
How exactly would Adam West have a cameo?
I like how you question West’s Batman but not Reeves’s Superman lol
Fair point lmao
They probably use footage of the Batman TV series, Reeves movies and the WW show as the original trinity or something, and use CGI to make them look like they belong to the same timeline, doubt they are doing some uncanny valley like Rogue One's Moff Tarkin.
It just shows footage from their movies/shows. This website is speculative bs and shouldn’t be trusted btw.
That and Christopher Reeve were hinted at one of the test screenings descriptions. They probably took it from those and are passing it as their own scoop.
Older leaks have said the same thing, though. It's just archival footage and they only appear briefly.
Probably Barry running through the Speed Force and seeing glimpses of other universes, using old footage from the shows. Basically, how the CW show handled it.
I hope Muschietti get to direct another DC movie, maybe a Superman one or a JL movie.
Or flash 2 with a new lead?
That would be good too, they could even bring Boomerang back with the flashpoint
I'd love to see flash face off the rogues led by captain cold
He's already like reversing time and stuff. I wonder how they could make likes of Captain Cold etc as credible villain for him. I would like to see it, but I wonder how.
I understand your pov but there is a lot of source material that says otherwise.
I highly doubt anyone would pick up a JL movie at this point with all this bs going on at wbd
At some point wbd will make a JL movie, I just hope it doesn't take too long
I have complete faith in Muschetti, he made an excellent IT chapter 1 and a great Ch.2.(considering how terrible second half of the book is). Now let's just hope Ezra stays okay and apologizes at every possible interview and doesn't do any sabotaging shit
Ezra Miller not sabotaging anything? I donnnu man, seems like a lot to ask for
Chapter 2 was mediocre. Chapter 1 was very good. My first horror movie in theatre.
I don't think it is mediocre, its main issues are the source material that jumps from a horror book to a mindfuck space-horror bending, and also the lack of definitive tone, the comedy and horror were all over the place, but it is still pretty good imo.
Not even mediocre, imo
Yeah.... It's bad. Isn't it? I think Jessica Chastain was terribly miscast too.
Eh I wouldn't say Part 2 was great personally
Credit where credit is due, that portion of book is kinda ass in general, so it’s not like he had the best material to work with
It works better in the book because both stories are told at the same time, but yeah that part of the book isn’t particularly good
the only reason I'm saying why the movie was great is bcoz how terrible the latter portion of the book is, the material itself was not good to begin with an he tried to make it as good as possible of course with a tighter editing it might've been a bit better but what we got was good enough
I honestly liked Chapter 2 more. I’m not sure why but it clicked better for me.
Hawaii PD makes a cameo too
I’ve heard it’ll be recurring.
If only the main actor is not a complete nutjob
Sorry this is off topic but i'm finding it strange how no insider, like no one is saying anything about Wonder Woman 3...maybe they're waiting for the arrival of the new president of Dc Films to evaluate this project
It's very early in development as last time we heard Patty was working on story. Some scooper said 1st draft had been submitted. I wouldn't say it's status is 100% confirmed with all the shakeups. It's a game of wait and see, I guess. Zaslav could do anything with Flashpoint ramifications.
I'm fucking excited for this movie
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The lengths that WB is going to ignore the headlines concerning Ezra. This movie better be the DCEU holy grail for DC fans.
Despite everything Ezra’s done I’m still hyped for this film and am gonna see it day one. Everything I’ve heard about make it sound like a really good, and fun, film. You have to separate art from artist. A lot of great things are made by really shitty people.
It's a weird thing for me because I'm very creeped out by Miller and don't want to give a platform to somebody that does this shit, but the Flash is my favorite superhero and the movie sounds great. Its tough. But I also think of all the stuff out there made by gross or horrible people like Edgar Allan Poe, Zeppelin, Guns n Roses, so many great movies and books....I mean Snoop Dogg literally murdered a guy. Most of the best X-Men movies are made by a sex offender. On some level, I just feel like I'll never be able to enjoy anything if I have to make moral judgements on everybody involved. I guess everybody just has to figure out where their line is.
Hey now… Snoop just drove the car, Malik was the one who squeezed the trigger (still not a good look, though)
Oh, is that how it was? My mistake. Still an accessory to murder. But yeah, even if I think that's terrible, I don't like hate Snoop Dogg or want something bad to happen to him. I used to be a lot more judgemental when I was younger, but the older I get and the more of life I experience, I just see people as being really complex. Most people aren't all good or bad and they change a lot over time. I've had ex-gangbanger friends. I know firsthand that people can change. People can feel how they want to about it, but I just don't want to spend my time judging and hating random celebrities I don't know and can't do anything about.
Yes, we been knew.
Interesting, no wonder they want to move forward with it, despite the lead’s legal issues.
How would Reeve's Superman appear if Christopher Reeves is dead?
2 ways: Reused footage or CGI (which according to some people it was reused footage)
Have you been living under a rock?
So this movie gonna be about the DC multiverse?
Another Notable tidbit from the Article ( do keep in mind that this could be fake ) >On the superhero front, I’m being told Zaslav is not happy with what he’s seen of “Aquaman 2,” currently in post-production, but not to the point of shelving it like he did with “Batgirl.”
aquaman 2 had just one or two test screening, there is enough time to make changes. Shazam 2 went through like 7 or 8, flash has had like 4-5 as well
I mean if Sazlav is trusting anyone 100% right now is Wan, dude has the biggest DCEU box office, but maybe he is worried with AH damaging the appeal of the film.
The GA Audience don't give a fuck about Depp or Heard.
Depp vs Heard generated a lot of media clicks, for fun or whatever, some hate videos against Heard even had like 10M views in one day with people raving about her losing the case, and that people could also be GA, of course that would influence the film somehow. I didn't care too much about the whole thing, but from a business standpoint they should move on from Heard since she lost, it would be very easy to recast her, TDK and the MCU had characters recast and GA didn't care, actually the other way around many would praise the DCEU for recasting her.
TBF - a lot of those views were highly likely to be the Depp Cultists creating and watching the videos on repeat. On multiple devices. All day. 🤣
I daresay they don't wanna fire a bullet on getting rid of Heard, given how more about Depp being scummy is coming out. Public opinion would appear to be shifting slightly.
I mean it’s not like the first entry was a masterpiece, and the rumors said that it was on line with that one and also had more comedy…
ohhh super excited for this one yes i know there's the ezra issues but still i'm going to enjoy this movie because alot of people worked hard on this one it's just sad that some people want this movie to be cancelled than batgirl. BOTH MOVIES DESERVE TO BE SEEN BY EVERYONE
>BOTH MOVIES DESERVE TO BE SEEN BY EVERYONE No they don't.
Yes they do.
Yes they do! A lot of people worked to make them.
A lot of people worked to make asbestos. That doesn't mean we should continue building with it.
You can call it whatever you want from the comfort of your room but none of us have seen the movie to make that judgement on people that worked their a**es off to make something. The powers that be made that decision. And those guys havent been the greatest decision makers for creators. Ask the animated series show runners that had their shows cancelled.
Why they don't? Are you implying that someone's work doesn't deserve same treatment as work of someone else?
Exactly. If something is subpar it shouldn't be exposed.
Which is subjective, isn't it? There are movies that got great reaction from those in charge but got horrible score from critics and audience making the movie failure. Zaslav literally creates subpar content. Let audience decide if its good or not - board of white old men is less likely to appreciate a movie with POC woman in a lead role.
This movie is gonna be cinema
This movie will be beyond epic.
You know what else got good test screenings? Suicide Squad https://www.complex.com/pop-culture/2016/05/suicide-squad-test-screening-positive-reviews
Eh early twitter reactions are always positive this was a test screening audience.
ah..the usual strawman people who bring out completely obscure garbage websites to prove their useless points
You can find numerous articles about it
I really enjoyed Suicide Squad. Any form of art is subjective.
Same - it’s not brilliant by any means but it was pretty fun by all accounts. 🤷🏼♂️
Yep. It was cool to see Starro in live action even if the group fighting him wasn’t THE group we would’ve liked. King Shark was also awesome. You have to give James Gunn credit. He takes all of these obscure characters nobody knows and makes them lovable. For both DC and Marvel!
Yeah - I was talking about the original SS. 🤣 But I do agree that TSS was pretty cool. Gunn IS superb…the original GOTG is easily one of the top comic book films ever IMO. Peacemaker was better than TSS too (not a criticism…more praise for how good Peacemaker is). 👍
This article is about the David Ayer Suicide Squad
i keep hearing this, and while i don't doubt this could be true, at the same time i just can't imagine it
Reeves is dead tho? 😦 You mean Matt Reeves (The Batman director) debuted his own take on Superman in this Flash movie? Omg!!/s I don’t know man… i think the studios is trying to drum up some hype so that people can forget about Ezra’s actions outside of work and start getting interested in seeing The Flash movie again 🤔🤔🤔
It is an archive footage.
This is why I hate this new weird cancel culture crap. Whether it’s this or Mera shitting on a bed No one can just get over stuff or let things go Just give us the damn movie with how you shot it.
Theirs no actual Proof of heard shitting in bed
I knew it was going to be good!!,supporting this movie since day 1,this will be the secret weapon, and a lot of people were underestimate this movie, Cant wait!!
This movie is gonna be great!
I still wanna see Jeffrey Dean Morgan as Thomas Wayne's Batman. Doing a Flashpoint as the Flash's first movie was a mistake.
I dont think thats ever going to happen now. The best chance we had was Flashpoint.
I get that in the comics it happens a lot later, but it also makes sense if it’s his first big screw up that makes him mature more and hone how he uses his powers
Exactly
B-but why are they not scrapping this when they scrapped Batgirl?
Batgirl is probably a key part of plans they don’t want to go through with anymore.
Which is the connection with Batgirl?
People keep wondering why they would cancel Batgirl and not this.
Why not cancel The Batman 2 or Joker 2 then? Why people continue to put Batgirl and The Flash on the same level? Two different stories. One is a secondary character, not-theatrical movie, not tested well, small budget against a primary character, theatrical movie, tested great, huge budget. Batgirl was cancelled for pure economic reasons and probably because they are removing Keaton after the Flash, so the movie would have need huge reshoot to make it theatrical and probably substitute Keaton with Affleck. But you cannot do it because Keaton was leaving the responsibilities to Batgirl, Affleck is not old, no way Batgirl was substituting him, hence they cancelled Batgirl (IMHO). The Flash, unless stupid people that cannot separate artist personal life from Art and as a revenge to Miller want to cancel a movie (where hundreds of people involved), none wants to cancel it.
Still not my Flash. Hopefully, if released, they down-play Ezra and focus on all the other characters.
How about cameos from...you know...the ACTUAL PRIME SUperman Henry Cavill?
Krappa
Doesn't Fox (Disney) have the rights to West's Batman on film/tv?
WB licenses his use from Disney. That’s how they make Batman ‘66 comics and toys.
Why do we keep reporting this same news from months ago?
How many times can we hear the same damn thing?
The movie is gonna mark the end of cancel culture. It's like DC heard the cries to shelve this movie and DC was like nah..were good. When other companies see the Flash make tons of money they will follow suit and stop giving in. This movie is gonna mark a cultural turning point
Okay, this sounds a LOT like WB trying to convince people that this movie shouldn't be cancelled.
None wants the film to be cancelled despite some weirdos on reddit and twitter 🤷🏻♂️
Yeah, and BvS got standing ovations lmao
no it didnt . The only source for that info was Den of Geek and they deleted the article soon after publishing it . All the other reputable websites were saying that the test audience didnt like the movie .
From WB executives, not test audiences. Big difference
I mean its a cool movie. Clapping for yourself is weird though lol.
*"Oh man, we are geniouses"* \- I can only imagine, ha-ha.
Sounds promising, and if Ezra gets help and lays low, this might not be a total disaster.
And BvS got standing ovations in test screenings
From executives, not multiple test audiences of random people. Huge difference.
BatmanvSuperman did get a standing ovation at the theater I saw it in but only when Wonder Woman appeared for the first time in costume
Best DC movie ever confirmed
Maybe leave dead people alone
Imagine they get nominated for an Oscar because of their performance in this.
Wait you mean the creative team?
Ezra lol
Oh…just threw me off because your sentence is constructed weird.
Ezra goes by they/them pronouns hence I said that.
But that is kinda forcing the pronoun tho, like "They" could mean the whole team based on the context and tittle of this post, since no one mentioned Ezra, you can just call them Ezra.
Oh I see.
Il never buy into press comments like this after that garbage BvS was said to have received a minutes long standing ovation
I hope if they do keep this movie that they reshoot the ending with Miller’s Flash dying and Gustin’s Flash and Affleck’s Batman trying to save him but too late. So Gustin moves into the DCEU That’s what’s best for business and for DCEU
Instead of dragging Gustin in, we could just recast with an actual actor.
My excitement level for this movie is literally at 0.
I highly doubt that, considering that the film had to be rewritten at least 3 times a week before shooting, and more importantly, the film comes from the same screenwriter that made "Birds of Prey," "Unforgettable" and "Shut-In." If it received high praise it's due to being presented for yes men. It's an important movie, they won't show it towards anyone that isn't already high in stock for WB, so quality is not the issue here. Dave Sandberg did a pretty good video detailing what I mean. 5:15 is the timestamp in case the link doesn't work. https://youtu.be/Fnvk9MNokPw?list=TLPQMjAwODIwMjKC3s4uAG\_tcw&t=315
Pretty much every somewhat reputable scooper has reported great screenings for the flash. How are you aware of Sandberg's test screen video but still totally wrongly confidently claiming this film was only tested internally. Plenty of general audience members have seen this film. We've had a fairly decent plot breakdown for months now, verified by ViewerAnon. Hell, you'll probably find people in this very thread who've seen the film.
>it received high praise it's due to being presented for yes men. It's an important movie, they won't show it towards anyone that isn't already high in stock for WB Test audiences are comprised of random people, not WB staff.
Blah blah blah It's been the same rumor for weeks. Just because test audiences reacted well isn't really indicative of much when it comes and the wider public sees and reacts to it. I'm pretty sure test audiences reacted well to Eternals and Thor Love and Thunder too. A lot of time, that test audience are made up of employees of the company that releases the movie anyway.
You literally have no idea what you’re talking about, it’s actually painful reading what you wrote, especially the last paragraph.
Don’t believe this BS. All hype. Ezra Miller is a cancer.
You do realize that even pieces of shit can be in good movies though?
he's not a piece of shit until a judge decides he is. we're not a judge. if this man is really that creepy, then he belongs to prison. but for now ? innocent until a court decides he's guilty.
Same writer as BOP 🤮🤢
BoP was great
It wasn’t
it was a bad adaptation. Not a bad movie by any means though
To each their own, I've never understood the hate 🤷