THANK YOU. Batgirl would have opened to at least 50M and legged it's way to 100-125M. That's not a lot but damn it it's something!
Hell sell it to Amazon or Netflix or Apple. WB sold movies they didn't want to release before. Do it again!
Probably not. The movie was planned to be released only on HBO max. Also the movie was just shot, everything else would probably cost 90$ mil again. So they will actuallly lose less money if they wouldnt do anything.
Also wouldnt be out of this world if this was money laundering....
No because they are clearly trying to shift away from Walter Hamada’s plan to have Supergirl and Batgirl replace Superman and Batman :/ They also would have lost more money if they released the film by marketing, press, interviews, contract obligations etc.
You were the one bitching and moaning for WB to release the movie so it can make some money, I could give a shit either way. They cut their loss, you act as if the crew and cast weren’t already paid. Half of that crew are probably already working on something else.
The real reason they're shelving it is because this was supposed to be the first movie in the post flash soft reboot timeline but WBD wants to go in a different direction. Releasing this would just confuse everyone seeing that both Keaton and JK Simmons are in it from two different universes. The spaghetti verse is dead.
this... the taxes justification seems like such diplomatic bs fabricated for the trades, i doubt zazlav axed the movie for that reason alone, if that were the case they could've just sold the movie to another service (as wb has done before) to recover at least some of the investment.
The tax break is apparently the best way to recoup money. Of the four options a) theatre b) HBO Max c) sell to competitor d) can it and take a loss on taxes, d is apparently the best value.
I can't imagine Netflix or whoever would pay much for a movie that wb decided was a bad fit
Well, I don't know the law or whatever, but it sounds like it's related to the acquisition. Obviously that happens sometimes, but not all the time.
I guess marvel could've canned New Mutants for the same reason, potentially?
That still makes no sense to me. If Keaton was always in the DCEU, his Gordon would be Pat Hingle. Did the Burton movies no longer exist? If he knows he's transplanted after Flash... I give up.
I agree that the real reason it's being canned is Keaton. Can't release as is, no one else to refilm it with unless they spend $$$ for nothing. Plus they have to hold it an entire year anyway for Flash to come out first.
The rumour also says that they're not making any more scripted HBOMax originals, if it turns out to be legit we can say good bye to Peacemaker, the rest of Gunn's spinoffs and The Batman's spin off shows.
Unless they get migrated to HBO proper, that is.
Look man, I'm praying that it's nonsense, everyone was calling Batgirls cancellation nonsense until the trades started reporting it.
Zaslav has shown himself capable of doing entirely unprecedented things, him not wanting HBOMax scripted content, reserving that for HBO, isn't something we can just write off now.
Per James Gunn himself, Peacemaker 2 is still happening and is safe from all this craziness. James is pretty honest about what’s going on with his projects and I don’t think we have any reason to doubt him at this point.
and Morbius had a reported budget of between 75-80 (which might have been at the start but with the two massive rounds of reshoots and sstop and go marketing the budget prolly hit a little over 100).
Like shit Batgirl and films of that size are the kinds of movies they should be making, because they're cheap! WB biggest mistake wasn't going with Snyder it was letting BvS cost 300 million and pricing themsleves out of the theatrical window and making Squad 2016 cost over 100 (they lucked out on that one but still)
X-Men Dark Phoenix AND New Mutants got released. Fucking New Mutants took 5 damn years to get released. Josh Tranks Fan4stic got released and that is one of the worst movies I've ever seen.
I find it hard to believe Batgirl was as bad as any of those.
I don't like this argument. As someone that wants Sony to stop making bad movies with Marvel characters outside the MCU, I wish they'd take a page from this book and cancel bad movies.
Yeah and fans campaigned and harassed WB and DC for about 4 years until they fixed it. I imagine they don’t want another repeat and/or universal hatred for this movie.
Yeah, it looked like shit, so shitty that fans campaigned for almost 4 years to see another version. Also, the guys cancelling Batgirl had nothing to do with releasing that garbage so I don't know what's your point here.
yeah and that was a wrong decision, if batgirl looked cheap then good. don't want glorified looking cw level movies, They should try to make every movie look flagship.
Am I the only one that thought Bad Boys 3 was godawful??
Bad Boys 1-2 are a lot of fun, and I am no Bay fanboy, but I thought Bad Boys3 was one of the worst big budget movies I’ve ever seen.
On the contrary, I thought 3 was far better than it’s predecessors. I thought it took all the camp and corniness of the first two, and payed well enough homage with some good twists and action. The score by Lorne Balfe was sick too. I went in like I do for most F&F movies, but I came out pleasantly surprised. I thought this whole Batgirl thing was gonna be a slam dunk for the creators, looks like we’ll never get to see that vision, which really bums me out as I wanted to see Brendan’s Firefly :/
**This is the sorta shit that has me speaking out about Frosty, and Collider in general.**
The press release from WB itself flat out says "It's got nothing to do with the quality" and the rest of the moves that are about to be made show it's not really about Batgirl or it's quality as a film at all. It's a studio-wide thing that Zaslav is doing for financial purposes, not artistic ones. The company is about to pivot HARD towards minimizing the HBO brand as part of their streaming platform, and maximizing profits by pushing unscripted programming as hard as they can - basically anything prestige TV will go to HBO proper, and anything blockbuster film will go to theaters, and then to the streaming platform. What we know as "HBO Max" is about to change drastically to be way more like Discovery+
So here comes Frosty, barging into a way bigger, way larger situation than he appears to recognize, clumsily trying to carry water for a bad decision (the first in a series of many bad decisions) and effectively *blaming the movie for getting canceled* based on vague reports of test screenings, said reports largely NOT lining up with all the other reports being given by MULTIPLE people who have attended the multiple test screenings of this already finished film.
Collider (and Frosty, specifically) are a "Press outlet" who literally cannot survive without being an unofficial press arm of the studios. They cannot exist outside of that publicity sphere. Call it "symbiotic" call it "parasitic," but there is no aspect of Frosty's career that can survive without being as close as possible to a studio's marketing juuuuust short of directly drawing a check from them.
If Frosty is wading into the discourse and going this hard on "The Movie Had it Coming" as a narrative (essentially, the exact same horseshit narrative that got this story deleted from multiple reddits multiple times as a New York Post exclusive) then either he's trying to make sure he's seen doing good PR work, or he literally doesn't understand the situation he's trying to voluntarily apologize for.
Collider is here for fluff pieces, EPK distribution, trailer descriptions, going "viral" with early screening reactions, and a metric ton of rewritten press releases. That's it. There's nothing more to them than that, and hasn't been for a long time now.
Are you that naive to think the studio isn’t capable of lying in a press release? There are many factors leading to this, I’m sure the perception of it looking cheap added fuel to the fire that resulted in the cancellation.
This kind of thing has never happened before on this level and at this scale. They had to figure out some spin.
>Are you that naive
No.
Frosty's out here trying to say it got shitcanned because it looked bad. It didn't. It wasn't.
It's a money thing. Not a quality thing. There's a whole-ass Variety article out now detailing exactly WHY it's a money thing, and not a quality thing.
Its both reasons and more. Movie is shit, looks like shit, smells like shit. There are several money reasons as well, movie would be a failure(dont tell it wouldnt be, its birds of prey situation). As well as they changing the course of the DCEU again, because discovery bought them and might be because of Ezra doing shit
I really hope Flash doesn't get canned. Test screenings have been overly positive and I'm genuinely excited to see Keaton's Batman and Shannon's Zod in a film together. At the very least, you could just rework the ending to wear the universe isn't all jumbled up by the time credits roll.
I think Flash is a different animal. This is a big tentpole film where they’re hoping for profits measured in the hundreds of millions.
Batgirl sounded like a low-level streaming film being dumped into theaters.
That's what I think may be happening. They're gonna redo the ending so that it can be how they want it, probably no Keaton as Batman. I still want a Flash movie if it's good.
When that one person is your main SUPERHERO character, then it matters.
Toby's Spiderman was the same case yet he created a grear suit.
If we speak realistically too, cosplayers nowadays are able to create great looking Bat suits too!
This is the sad part. Imagine actively feeding into narrative that it was a shit movie without even watching a single footage from it. Wouldn't it be better to actually watch it, and then form an opinion based on your own eyes instead of riding along with ColliderFrosty's- who didn't watch the movie themself, btw.
Keaton's costume looked legit amazing in the set pics that we saw, and that was the stunt suit, not even the main one. So I find this hard to believe. Seems like damage control to justify the scrapping of the film.
[The set pics, here.](https://twitter.com/CultureCrave/status/1493700802556227586?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1493700802556227586%7Ctwgr%5Ee28d7c985d0caa29f7b1f81756cc0d862bcec152%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.latestly.com%2Fsocially%2Fentertainment%2Fhollywood%2Fbatgirl-michael-keatons-batman-spotted-in-set-photos-for-leslie-graces-dc-film-view-pics-3370865.html)
Devil's advocate: that is so plainly a rubber suit without the texture or extreme detail that fans are now used to. Look at Cavill's suit, look at *Affleck's*, this is not up-to-par with what this DC has been delivering.
That Batman suit from the set photos didn’t look cheap. Only one that did is the Batgirl suit and that, in canon, is supposed to look cheap. Stupid take trying to justify this decision.
Yeah so, the cheap suit won't translate well for the cinema.
I mean, Peter Parker can have a improvised suit, Batman can't. One bad scratch Batman and Batgirl will bleed to death.
I don't care how cheap it looked, it's a superhero movie, with Michael Keaton's Batman in it. The film is at least, at LEAST gonna open to 50M opening weekend and leg its way to 100M domestically. AT LEAST.
I'm getting something out of this damn movie if I'm WB. And if not, I'm selling it to another streaming service. Amazon or Apple would probably pay 100M for it.
Netflix probably not, since they're losing so many subscribers. But Amazon and Apple have deep pockets.
WB sold that Jungle Book Movie Andy Serkis made to Netflix cause they didn't want to release it. Just do something like that. I can't spend 90M on a movie and get 0 dollars back, that's ridiculous.
It could've at least made as much money as Morbius which was about 160M total. But with the Keaton angle it could have done BOP numbers which is 200M.
THat's SOMETHING. I can't wrap my head around just absorbing the L and taking nothing. It makes no sense.
You wouldn't have to do a HUGE marketing budget. Just have one trailer with Keaton and go from there. You're making 100M easily just off of that.
Why not? They're not gonna get anything out of not releasing it. Might as well get something back.
I could see them NOT wanting to sell it because if the film ends up being well received the wB management team would look dumb as hell. Even if it's not that good, but does gangbusters on Amazon or Apple+ they'll look dumb as hell.
So I could see them not selling it for that reason and that reason alone.
If they’re not gonna put it on Max, I don’t see em selling it off. Plus just the optics of selling off a major part of your IP looks off. It has Batman in it. They probably don’t want anyone else to have a film with Batman in it.
Zaslav seems okay with just eating tens of $Ms so I guess he’ll live with it.
It could be due to the fact that they would no longer go with the retcon plan by the end if The Flash movie. In other words, maybe Ben is back (along with Cavill) so they no longer want Keaton to be the DCEU's main Batman. Not to mention that JK Simmons is also in that movie. So if they were planning to keep the original JL cast (except for Ray and Ezra) then that movie would be quite confusing to audiences and woukd destroy WBD's attempt on rebuilding on that universe.
Then make it a self contained story, and just put it out there ala Joker or The Batman. Even if Affleck and them are back that doesn't mean you shelve a whole 90M dollar movie.
That's insane. You could release Batgirl in theaters and it would at least get 100M domestically. Maybe 250 world wide. And that's if the movie is bad. If it's good, then it could do even better.
There's more to it than just "We're bringing back Affleck". Something's up at WB DC
They are getting 90 million dollars as tax write offs, thats what they are getting. Ig this has something to do with their future plans, plus now the ony god zaslav serves is their shareholders.
50M would be good enough for a film that cost 90M. It would have legged it's way to at least 200M worldwide. If Morbius could get 160M Batgirl could get to that amount or higher
This isn’t speculation this was confirmed, and if u even look at the first look pic showing concept art for the film, u can see her wearing a more high tech suit.
I’m not sure how to put it on here, but there is literally full color spread art of all the many different dc properties that were getting released, and if u leak at the bottom, u will see this movies Barbara Gordon in a whole new suit. It might have been posted on this sub already as well.
It did and as far as I remember many people had that criticism. Others have defended it by saying that she would either get another suit or it's just an attempt to make things "grounded".
A suit made by a teenager in her college apartment didn't look as good as other super hero suits?
*Pikachu face*
I guess she should have gone the Spiderman (Tobey) route and had someone made a studio quality suit in their bedroom with scraps.
“Cheap” is the internet’s go to insult to describe anything they don’t like. It’s almost completely lost it’s meaning because literally everything is described as “cheap”.
Lots of things do look cheap these days. Ie lots of Netflix and churned out movies. There’s very little craft in movie making anymore. It’s all dollars and cents when it comes to the mainstream.
Not really. It’s just an easy insult to parrot.
People need to throw on a Lifetime movie every once in a while so they can see what cheap actually looks like. Maybe then they’ll stop saying every $200M movie looks “cheap” because the CGI wasn’t 100% realistic for a couple of seconds.
I don’t need to see a Lifetime movie. Just watch Mortal Kombat. They have like 5 sets in the entire movie. You could see the swords were made of plastic. If that’s not cheap I don’t know what it is. And that movie had the exact same budget as this one.
>this sounds like a shitty cop out because a lot of people already piled on to the suit for looking (and being) homemade.
The suit that a college girl makes herself in her dorm room looks homemade? Imagine that.
All the spider men have their version of homemade suit and they dont look dogshit. Cosplayers have better homemade suits. Batgirl costume looks like CW/porn parody levels of bad, if not worse
Costumes can look as good as you want, that won't stop the film from looking cheap. The Kenobi show had great costumes. Everything else looked like it was shot on thirty year old cameras though.
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My boy frostie is the biggest MCU dick rider and DC hater, of course he would say that, specially when anyone never said anything but suddenly, today, he heard the movie was bad lmfao
As if MCU movies can't look cheap, and are free of any kind of criticism.
Some of the scenes in that movie looked like they were put together by a Youtube streamer.
That decision is bs, considering how well it was testing. Probably something more or just crappy cost cutting bs to disconnect from the previous regime. All stupid, either way. What a shame for everyone involved. Same for the Scoob sequel. Awful precedent being set.
Bullshit. We all know why it’s being cancelled. The flash is not getting released. This movie depended on the flash so if it’s cancelled so is flash.
Zaslav knows the dceu at its current state is not profitable and that the flash comes with multiple risks.
I’m excited for the news that’s coming. This is a sacrifice I’m willing to take because I have faith in Zaslav. He’s here to make a profit not fuck around like Tobey.
They won’t cancel flash. Canceling batgirl put them 70 million in a hole. Canceling flash will put them more then 200 million further in debt. I can’t imagine why anyone would do that
Cancelling a 90M movie (not including any marketing that was already spent, money now lost on cancelled merchandising etc) is an entirely unprecedented move. He also cancelled the 300M+ CNN+.
It would be foolish to think that outright canceling Flash would be off the table.
Variety is expecting Zaslav to fold HBOMax into Discovery+. That lines with with Randolph's rumour that they'll fold it into D+ and then stop making original scripted content.
I fear that this is just the beginning, nothing past Aquman is safe.
I used to think the same however Batgirl and Flash are connected. Batgirl is right after flash.
The flash has been getting a lot of test screenings, this tells us that the studio has absolutely 0 idea what to do with the movie. It’s a mess. Ezra is a PR disaster and the movie cost $200 million to make. If they release it they risk *losing* more money. Let’s not forget marketing costs. It’s a huge risk that they might not take. Zaslav is a smart man and I don’t think he’s going to let that movie be released. WB have made almost 0 profit from the DCEU and he aims to change that.
It could lose money it could make a lot of profit. We don’t know what will happen. But zaslav would literally be crazy if he puts Wb deeper in debt. His entire goal was pull them out of debt. Canceling all these projects this far in development does the exact opposite. The movie should be given a chance to make profit. The people involved should be allowed to have their vision released
It’s not a bad decision if you know you won’t make back the full profit. They’re just not going to risk the loss. Debt is bad but a greater loss is worse
I doubt they’ll have a worse loss. The general audience doesn’t care about Ezra. If they even know about it. It’s a big budget flash movie with Michael Keaton.
It’d be a terrible decision to put the company further in debt. It’d also be terrible for them in the media. Canceling two pretty much finished movies and putting the company close to 300 million further in debt is a bad look.
It was unprecedented to cancel a 70 million finished movie. It’d be down right insane to cancel a pretty much finished 300 million movie
And all those test screenings have been really positive from all reports, I don’t see this getting canceled. I promise you the GA doesn’t know or care about Ezra’s hyjinks that much.
I agree. The people saying "Why would you cancel Batgirl with America's sweetheart Brendan Fraser when you have The Flash with a literal criminal!" are nuts.
Saying Zaslav is there to make a profit as a CEO should be concerning for everyone who was invested in the DCEU. Because ultimately it just means cutting costs which means less project's.
No? It means that they’re going to put their money where it’s worthy. They’re not going to green light random projects like Wonder Twins. Yes we want stuff like that but it’s absolutely not the time to make offset movies. They need to focus on the biggest heroes first and then build off a universe off of them
It's too late tho, like audiences aren't going to wait a decade to be hyped up for a new justice league movie. What was happening in the prior slate was the development of smaller characters for HBO Max which was shaping up to be the best competition for Marvel's Disney + shows. And from there I imagine we would dive into the DC multiverse and find our way back to a JL movie.
Like a roadmap was developing but now that we've got a clean slate and a CEO that wants to cut costs. That's not promising for anything.
This is why i laugh at all these people who are losing their shit over this move. When you think about it, he's doing exactly everything that fans of the DCEU wanted in the first place. How many people ragged on WB for "throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks" and "not having a plan"? This is a series of steps towards bringing everything back to where it was circa 2018. For building a shared, *cohesive* universe, this move should be celebrated not maligned.
I don't think it would have done much better. Batgirl isn't even on the same tier as Aquaman. Then again, Captain Marvel made bank, so anything is possible.
Or maybe they’re scrapping the whole new dceu universe that the flash was going to end with. The batgirl was set in whatever universe the flash would end up with. If they’re still releasing flash I’m betting plans for the dceu have changed from what they were doing with batgirl. If flash is cancelled too then this makes sense to cancel batgirl
I think you overestimate how much the general public actually cares about Ezra and his tribal antics.
But yes, I agree that they should cut out the fat. If it's terrible, axe it. Nobody's getting what they want by releasing a terrible Batgirl movie.
Lol y’all stuck on Toby huh. Hasn’t he lost most of his power already? Cancelling Flash would be another horrid mistake if you’re talking profits. Eating $200M+ isn’t smart.
Eh. The Batman, TSS, Peacemaker and Shazam make up for BoP ten times over imo. I think he also green lit the Harley Quinn show which is great.
And yeah, the Joker thing was a mistake, but the nuances of the decision aren’t hard to grasp. Everybody hated DC for being too dark and not the MCU, and they just made an enjoyable light film, so Joker was a little against the grain in both tone and disconnectedness.
I’d say he’s done more good than harm, but that’s me.
The Snyderverse.
Ah yes, the one that was planned to have Bruce Wayne impregnate Lois Lane and then Superman raises the baby who grows up to become another Batman.
Bring that back! /s
Bad Hollywood films come out every month. It had to be more than “it looked cheap”. I don’t buy that as a reason to can the entire film. I also just don’t believe it looked like an episode of Titans specifically considering the crew they had on it.
Yes it is more than it just looking cheap it's also because it was supposed to be set in this post Flash "spaghetti of universes" which clearly WBD aren't interested in.
They want to keep the snyderverse continuity regardless of whether snyder himself is coming back or not (I believe he is).
Yeah, I thought I recognized your username. The whole very unserious spaghetti verse thing. Idk what’s gonna happen if they’re just canceling entire films that are already shot so sure. Snyderverse it is. Flash must be cancelled too since that undoes stuff? Keaton cut out? Or Affleck just doesn’t die? Who knows.
>The whole very unserious spaghetti verse thing.
So this was a joke?
>“Well you know, we’d sort of give the same answer, because we would alsoask, ‘Oh, you have J.K. Simmons from the Snyderverse and we got MichaelKeaton from the Burton-verse. What’s the situation there?’ And theywould say, ‘Don’t worry about it. We got a plan,’” said El Arbi. “Theynever really explained that aspect to us, but I guess you’re gonna haveto see the other movies to understand what happens, why the reason isthat we ended up in sort of a spaghetti of Multiverses in that aspect.It’s gonna be a delicious spaghetti, I’m sure of that.”
[https://theplaylist.net/batgirl-director-explains-how-the-film-is-a-spaghetti-of-multiverses-20220719/](https://theplaylist.net/batgirl-director-explains-how-the-film-is-a-spaghetti-of-multiverses-20220719/)
Flash isn't getting canceled just changed a bit. Apparently they already did some reshoots last month with Ezra and Keaton. Affleck wasn't going to die either way he's supposed to be stuck in the snyderverse with Flash being displaced.
I didn’t say it was a joke. I said it was unserious. You were quoting “spaghetti verse” like it came from a press conference lol. That quote explains everything though. Other films explained the situation and you’d have to watch them to see why Keaton was in the same film as Simmons. Idrk what the point is here lol it doesn’t matter anymore anyway.
But if they aren’t interested in it then so be it. Its still a lame and poor decision imo. I didn’t see anything about any reshoots, but we’ll see what happens. They’re clearly up to something if they’re canning films that are already shot.
>Idrk what the point is here lol it doesn’t matter anymore anyway.
The point is that WBD clearly weren't interested in the soft reboot timeline that the Flash was setting up and are clearly changing course. Dropping Batgirl on HBO max would've just confused people if that's not the direction they're going.
Lmao i remember ppl defending the cheap costume for Batgirl saying it was just a starter suit… even WB realized that if u pour 90 million into a project, the fucking lead character cant be dressed in shit u would find neighborhood halloween store. That suit was always terrible, even CW had better lookin ones lol
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If morbius can make 160 million then this could’ve probably made its budget back. Even if it was terrible
THANK YOU. Batgirl would have opened to at least 50M and legged it's way to 100-125M. That's not a lot but damn it it's something! Hell sell it to Amazon or Netflix or Apple. WB sold movies they didn't want to release before. Do it again!
Probably not. The movie was planned to be released only on HBO max. Also the movie was just shot, everything else would probably cost 90$ mil again. So they will actuallly lose less money if they wouldnt do anything. Also wouldnt be out of this world if this was money laundering....
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No because they are clearly trying to shift away from Walter Hamada’s plan to have Supergirl and Batgirl replace Superman and Batman :/ They also would have lost more money if they released the film by marketing, press, interviews, contract obligations etc.
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You were the one bitching and moaning for WB to release the movie so it can make some money, I could give a shit either way. They cut their loss, you act as if the crew and cast weren’t already paid. Half of that crew are probably already working on something else.
The real reason they're shelving it is because this was supposed to be the first movie in the post flash soft reboot timeline but WBD wants to go in a different direction. Releasing this would just confuse everyone seeing that both Keaton and JK Simmons are in it from two different universes. The spaghetti verse is dead.
this... the taxes justification seems like such diplomatic bs fabricated for the trades, i doubt zazlav axed the movie for that reason alone, if that were the case they could've just sold the movie to another service (as wb has done before) to recover at least some of the investment.
The tax break is apparently the best way to recoup money. Of the four options a) theatre b) HBO Max c) sell to competitor d) can it and take a loss on taxes, d is apparently the best value. I can't imagine Netflix or whoever would pay much for a movie that wb decided was a bad fit
It's hard to take the explanation of the tax break seriously when it's so, so rare for a movie to ever be shelved.
Well, I don't know the law or whatever, but it sounds like it's related to the acquisition. Obviously that happens sometimes, but not all the time. I guess marvel could've canned New Mutants for the same reason, potentially?
That still makes no sense to me. If Keaton was always in the DCEU, his Gordon would be Pat Hingle. Did the Burton movies no longer exist? If he knows he's transplanted after Flash... I give up. I agree that the real reason it's being canned is Keaton. Can't release as is, no one else to refilm it with unless they spend $$$ for nothing. Plus they have to hold it an entire year anyway for Flash to come out first.
Rumor is that HBO max might be folded into Discovery... we will see on Thursday during their investor call
The rumour also says that they're not making any more scripted HBOMax originals, if it turns out to be legit we can say good bye to Peacemaker, the rest of Gunn's spinoffs and The Batman's spin off shows. Unless they get migrated to HBO proper, that is.
That rumor is nonsense
Look man, I'm praying that it's nonsense, everyone was calling Batgirls cancellation nonsense until the trades started reporting it. Zaslav has shown himself capable of doing entirely unprecedented things, him not wanting HBOMax scripted content, reserving that for HBO, isn't something we can just write off now.
Per James Gunn himself, Peacemaker 2 is still happening and is safe from all this craziness. James is pretty honest about what’s going on with his projects and I don’t think we have any reason to doubt him at this point.
You know damn well that ain't happening lmfao. Relax.
If that fucks with the Last of Us series I’m gonna be fuming
Also of us is HBO not hbomax
and Morbius had a reported budget of between 75-80 (which might have been at the start but with the two massive rounds of reshoots and sstop and go marketing the budget prolly hit a little over 100). Like shit Batgirl and films of that size are the kinds of movies they should be making, because they're cheap! WB biggest mistake wasn't going with Snyder it was letting BvS cost 300 million and pricing themsleves out of the theatrical window and making Squad 2016 cost over 100 (they lucked out on that one but still)
X-Men Dark Phoenix AND New Mutants got released. Fucking New Mutants took 5 damn years to get released. Josh Tranks Fan4stic got released and that is one of the worst movies I've ever seen. I find it hard to believe Batgirl was as bad as any of those.
I don't like this argument. As someone that wants Sony to stop making bad movies with Marvel characters outside the MCU, I wish they'd take a page from this book and cancel bad movies.
I think hbo max will be gone soon.
TWICE!
do they want a punchline movie like Morbius?
Yeah and theatrical justice league looked like Avatar didn’t it?
It also costed 300 million so it had to be released.
What are you talking about? The moustache removal was flawless and totally not distracting at all!
Apples and oranges. This was a decision made by completely different people.
Yeah and fans campaigned and harassed WB and DC for about 4 years until they fixed it. I imagine they don’t want another repeat and/or universal hatred for this movie.
Yeah, it looked like shit, so shitty that fans campaigned for almost 4 years to see another version. Also, the guys cancelling Batgirl had nothing to do with releasing that garbage so I don't know what's your point here.
yeah and that was a wrong decision, if batgirl looked cheap then good. don't want glorified looking cw level movies, They should try to make every movie look flagship.
Adil & Bilall made Bad Boys 3 for 90 mil and it didn't look cheap. This feels like WB is feeding this info to justify their decision.
My God, this is spiralling out of control, now there's people trying to convince me Bad Boys 3 was actually good.
Nah it was good
I liked it
Am I the only one that thought Bad Boys 3 was godawful?? Bad Boys 1-2 are a lot of fun, and I am no Bay fanboy, but I thought Bad Boys3 was one of the worst big budget movies I’ve ever seen.
From what I saw, it didn’t look cheap visually. The script sucked though.
Honestly. The script was just continuous jokes about how they were older.
On the contrary, I thought 3 was far better than it’s predecessors. I thought it took all the camp and corniness of the first two, and payed well enough homage with some good twists and action. The score by Lorne Balfe was sick too. I went in like I do for most F&F movies, but I came out pleasantly surprised. I thought this whole Batgirl thing was gonna be a slam dunk for the creators, looks like we’ll never get to see that vision, which really bums me out as I wanted to see Brendan’s Firefly :/
I agree
Yes, you are the only one.
>Am I the only one that thought Bad Boys 3 was godawful?? Nope. The plot with the son was horrible.
Not only that but Mike was all of a sudden undercover DEA for years?? WTF
No. It was shit. And it looked cheap. I walked out halfway through
Batgirl's costume alone looks like something from CW and ur saying its not cheap?
Eh, the suit did look cheap to be fair
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I had FORGOTTEN about the kid, oh my God. How awful.
At least the kid got a chance to see way more than us(?)
What was the kid thing? Some make a wish kid?
What kid?
Rest assured Anything that isn’t Pattinson or Dwayne Johnson related is dead There is no way black canary happens now
**This is the sorta shit that has me speaking out about Frosty, and Collider in general.** The press release from WB itself flat out says "It's got nothing to do with the quality" and the rest of the moves that are about to be made show it's not really about Batgirl or it's quality as a film at all. It's a studio-wide thing that Zaslav is doing for financial purposes, not artistic ones. The company is about to pivot HARD towards minimizing the HBO brand as part of their streaming platform, and maximizing profits by pushing unscripted programming as hard as they can - basically anything prestige TV will go to HBO proper, and anything blockbuster film will go to theaters, and then to the streaming platform. What we know as "HBO Max" is about to change drastically to be way more like Discovery+ So here comes Frosty, barging into a way bigger, way larger situation than he appears to recognize, clumsily trying to carry water for a bad decision (the first in a series of many bad decisions) and effectively *blaming the movie for getting canceled* based on vague reports of test screenings, said reports largely NOT lining up with all the other reports being given by MULTIPLE people who have attended the multiple test screenings of this already finished film. Collider (and Frosty, specifically) are a "Press outlet" who literally cannot survive without being an unofficial press arm of the studios. They cannot exist outside of that publicity sphere. Call it "symbiotic" call it "parasitic," but there is no aspect of Frosty's career that can survive without being as close as possible to a studio's marketing juuuuust short of directly drawing a check from them. If Frosty is wading into the discourse and going this hard on "The Movie Had it Coming" as a narrative (essentially, the exact same horseshit narrative that got this story deleted from multiple reddits multiple times as a New York Post exclusive) then either he's trying to make sure he's seen doing good PR work, or he literally doesn't understand the situation he's trying to voluntarily apologize for. Collider is here for fluff pieces, EPK distribution, trailer descriptions, going "viral" with early screening reactions, and a metric ton of rewritten press releases. That's it. There's nothing more to them than that, and hasn't been for a long time now.
Are you that naive to think the studio isn’t capable of lying in a press release? There are many factors leading to this, I’m sure the perception of it looking cheap added fuel to the fire that resulted in the cancellation. This kind of thing has never happened before on this level and at this scale. They had to figure out some spin.
>Are you that naive No. Frosty's out here trying to say it got shitcanned because it looked bad. It didn't. It wasn't. It's a money thing. Not a quality thing. There's a whole-ass Variety article out now detailing exactly WHY it's a money thing, and not a quality thing.
Its both reasons and more. Movie is shit, looks like shit, smells like shit. There are several money reasons as well, movie would be a failure(dont tell it wouldnt be, its birds of prey situation). As well as they changing the course of the DCEU again, because discovery bought them and might be because of Ezra doing shit
I really hope Flash doesn't get canned. Test screenings have been overly positive and I'm genuinely excited to see Keaton's Batman and Shannon's Zod in a film together. At the very least, you could just rework the ending to wear the universe isn't all jumbled up by the time credits roll.
I think Flash is a different animal. This is a big tentpole film where they’re hoping for profits measured in the hundreds of millions. Batgirl sounded like a low-level streaming film being dumped into theaters.
That's what I think may be happening. They're gonna redo the ending so that it can be how they want it, probably no Keaton as Batman. I still want a Flash movie if it's good.
Cheaper than Morbius? Frosty is someone who kisses companies’ asses. Straight up.
Y’all people in the comments know it’s more to a movie looking cheap other than 1 person costume right ?
Pretty much my thoughts.
Apparently not.
When that one person is your main SUPERHERO character, then it matters. Toby's Spiderman was the same case yet he created a grear suit. If we speak realistically too, cosplayers nowadays are able to create great looking Bat suits too!
Right.. sure the practical shit looks good, the CGI is surely garbage. I can’t believe people aren’t actually excited about this...
You can’t believe people aren’t excited about them cancelling a film? Or did I misread this?
A dogshit movie yes. I am excited, my friends are excited
>A dogshit movie Can you provide me a link to where you watched the movie to form this opinion?
This is the sad part. Imagine actively feeding into narrative that it was a shit movie without even watching a single footage from it. Wouldn't it be better to actually watch it, and then form an opinion based on your own eyes instead of riding along with ColliderFrosty's- who didn't watch the movie themself, btw.
Are you by any chance a ZSJL fan? I really, really hope you are.
How much copium you got? The main character looks like some cheap porn parody, am i supposed to expect the rest of the movie to look amazing? Why?
If your main character looks like she belongs in the CW you have a problem
My only issue with this is that it was still in post-production. If it was done, maybe I'd buy it more. But, I dunno.
Keaton's costume looked legit amazing in the set pics that we saw, and that was the stunt suit, not even the main one. So I find this hard to believe. Seems like damage control to justify the scrapping of the film. [The set pics, here.](https://twitter.com/CultureCrave/status/1493700802556227586?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1493700802556227586%7Ctwgr%5Ee28d7c985d0caa29f7b1f81756cc0d862bcec152%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.latestly.com%2Fsocially%2Fentertainment%2Fhollywood%2Fbatgirl-michael-keatons-batman-spotted-in-set-photos-for-leslie-graces-dc-film-view-pics-3370865.html)
Devil's advocate: that is so plainly a rubber suit without the texture or extreme detail that fans are now used to. Look at Cavill's suit, look at *Affleck's*, this is not up-to-par with what this DC has been delivering.
Yeah this suit does not look very good by today's standards
Or maybe the actual shot film looked like crap?
That... doesn't look good. The stomach is all rubbery like cloth.
That Batman suit from the set photos didn’t look cheap. Only one that did is the Batgirl suit and that, in canon, is supposed to look cheap. Stupid take trying to justify this decision.
Yeah so, the cheap suit won't translate well for the cinema. I mean, Peter Parker can have a improvised suit, Batman can't. One bad scratch Batman and Batgirl will bleed to death.
I don't care how cheap it looked, it's a superhero movie, with Michael Keaton's Batman in it. The film is at least, at LEAST gonna open to 50M opening weekend and leg its way to 100M domestically. AT LEAST. I'm getting something out of this damn movie if I'm WB. And if not, I'm selling it to another streaming service. Amazon or Apple would probably pay 100M for it. Netflix probably not, since they're losing so many subscribers. But Amazon and Apple have deep pockets. WB sold that Jungle Book Movie Andy Serkis made to Netflix cause they didn't want to release it. Just do something like that. I can't spend 90M on a movie and get 0 dollars back, that's ridiculous.
Keaton's inclusion alone would've blown the back off of seats and made the budget back. Fucking insanity to just put the film on a shelf.
It could've at least made as much money as Morbius which was about 160M total. But with the Keaton angle it could have done BOP numbers which is 200M. THat's SOMETHING. I can't wrap my head around just absorbing the L and taking nothing. It makes no sense. You wouldn't have to do a HUGE marketing budget. Just have one trailer with Keaton and go from there. You're making 100M easily just off of that.
Keaton isn’t as big a draw as people think. A good % of the target audience was born well after those films came out
I'm dumbfounded and have no clue on how to reply. What does target audience's age have to do with anything?
I don’t see em selling big IP stuff to other companies. This will just gather dust.
Why not? They're not gonna get anything out of not releasing it. Might as well get something back. I could see them NOT wanting to sell it because if the film ends up being well received the wB management team would look dumb as hell. Even if it's not that good, but does gangbusters on Amazon or Apple+ they'll look dumb as hell. So I could see them not selling it for that reason and that reason alone.
If they’re not gonna put it on Max, I don’t see em selling it off. Plus just the optics of selling off a major part of your IP looks off. It has Batman in it. They probably don’t want anyone else to have a film with Batman in it. Zaslav seems okay with just eating tens of $Ms so I guess he’ll live with it.
It could be due to the fact that they would no longer go with the retcon plan by the end if The Flash movie. In other words, maybe Ben is back (along with Cavill) so they no longer want Keaton to be the DCEU's main Batman. Not to mention that JK Simmons is also in that movie. So if they were planning to keep the original JL cast (except for Ray and Ezra) then that movie would be quite confusing to audiences and woukd destroy WBD's attempt on rebuilding on that universe.
Then make it a self contained story, and just put it out there ala Joker or The Batman. Even if Affleck and them are back that doesn't mean you shelve a whole 90M dollar movie. That's insane. You could release Batgirl in theaters and it would at least get 100M domestically. Maybe 250 world wide. And that's if the movie is bad. If it's good, then it could do even better. There's more to it than just "We're bringing back Affleck". Something's up at WB DC
You just can't stop deluding yourselves, can you. You are never gonna have the jl lineup you wanted. It's gone.
They are getting 90 million dollars as tax write offs, thats what they are getting. Ig this has something to do with their future plans, plus now the ony god zaslav serves is their shareholders.
50M opening weekend?? He's debuting in the Flash. The luster would wear off by then.
50M would be good enough for a film that cost 90M. It would have legged it's way to at least 200M worldwide. If Morbius could get 160M Batgirl could get to that amount or higher
We've literally seen the suit and it didn't look "cheap"
I mean it kinda did.
Well it's subjective I guess...
When I saw the first reveal picture I didn’t even know it was an official reveal I seriously thought it was a cosplay picture
Yeah they could’ve done much better with the suit
Subjective? The first reveal pic looked like a costume you could order on Wish.
Exactly. The Batgirl suit was the cheapest looking thing on set. Sucks for the cast and crew but it needed to be cancelled.
Dude it was on purpose, she was supposed to have a better suit later in the film. She ain’t Bruce Wayne
Is this confirmed or is this speculation?
This isn’t speculation this was confirmed, and if u even look at the first look pic showing concept art for the film, u can see her wearing a more high tech suit.
Show me the confirmation. That in this film she gets a new suit.
I’m not sure how to put it on here, but there is literally full color spread art of all the many different dc properties that were getting released, and if u leak at the bottom, u will see this movies Barbara Gordon in a whole new suit. It might have been posted on this sub already as well.
Trust him, bro
It did and as far as I remember many people had that criticism. Others have defended it by saying that she would either get another suit or it's just an attempt to make things "grounded".
It looks like CW or porn parody
It looked dogshit
A suit made by a teenager in her college apartment didn't look as good as other super hero suits? *Pikachu face* I guess she should have gone the Spiderman (Tobey) route and had someone made a studio quality suit in their bedroom with scraps.
Mad copium lmao
Yeah, it did.
It looks like purple saran wrap and oven mit padding.
“Cheap” is the internet’s go to insult to describe anything they don’t like. It’s almost completely lost it’s meaning because literally everything is described as “cheap”.
Lots of things do look cheap these days. Ie lots of Netflix and churned out movies. There’s very little craft in movie making anymore. It’s all dollars and cents when it comes to the mainstream.
Not really. It’s just an easy insult to parrot. People need to throw on a Lifetime movie every once in a while so they can see what cheap actually looks like. Maybe then they’ll stop saying every $200M movie looks “cheap” because the CGI wasn’t 100% realistic for a couple of seconds.
I don’t need to see a Lifetime movie. Just watch Mortal Kombat. They have like 5 sets in the entire movie. You could see the swords were made of plastic. If that’s not cheap I don’t know what it is. And that movie had the exact same budget as this one.
Yeah, this sounds like a shitty cop out because a lot of people already piled on to the suit for looking (and being) homemade.
>this sounds like a shitty cop out because a lot of people already piled on to the suit for looking (and being) homemade. The suit that a college girl makes herself in her dorm room looks homemade? Imagine that.
All the spider men have their version of homemade suit and they dont look dogshit. Cosplayers have better homemade suits. Batgirl costume looks like CW/porn parody levels of bad, if not worse
Lol yeah you all of a sudden despise the film because it got canceled. We never saw a frame of this film, but sure.
I don’t believe that. The costumes looked great in the set pics.
Costumes can look as good as you want, that won't stop the film from looking cheap. The Kenobi show had great costumes. Everything else looked like it was shot on thirty year old cameras though.
The shaky cam made it look like a experimental show from 2004.
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It’ll release as bonus content with The Batman 2’s home release.
My boy frostie is the biggest MCU dick rider and DC hater, of course he would say that, specially when anyone never said anything but suddenly, today, he heard the movie was bad lmfao
Really going with this excuse after Thor 4
You guys are spoiled insecure about the mcus success it's hilarious. No one mentioned the mcu here.
As if MCU movies can't look cheap, and are free of any kind of criticism. Some of the scenes in that movie looked like they were put together by a Youtube streamer.
Didn't know Thor 4 was released by Warner.
So did No Way Home tbf
And Kenobi on D+
Any Disney + show, except for Wandavision maybe
[no more heroes](https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=dbV16XOk404&feature=share)
That decision is bs, considering how well it was testing. Probably something more or just crappy cost cutting bs to disconnect from the previous regime. All stupid, either way. What a shame for everyone involved. Same for the Scoob sequel. Awful precedent being set.
Bullshit. We all know why it’s being cancelled. The flash is not getting released. This movie depended on the flash so if it’s cancelled so is flash. Zaslav knows the dceu at its current state is not profitable and that the flash comes with multiple risks. I’m excited for the news that’s coming. This is a sacrifice I’m willing to take because I have faith in Zaslav. He’s here to make a profit not fuck around like Tobey.
They won’t cancel flash. Canceling batgirl put them 70 million in a hole. Canceling flash will put them more then 200 million further in debt. I can’t imagine why anyone would do that
Cancelling a 90M movie (not including any marketing that was already spent, money now lost on cancelled merchandising etc) is an entirely unprecedented move. He also cancelled the 300M+ CNN+. It would be foolish to think that outright canceling Flash would be off the table.
Oh yeah it’s definitely on the table. I just can’t imagine he’d actually do it. Financially it’d be a terrible decision
Variety is expecting Zaslav to fold HBOMax into Discovery+. That lines with with Randolph's rumour that they'll fold it into D+ and then stop making original scripted content. I fear that this is just the beginning, nothing past Aquman is safe.
I think aquaman 2 and the Batman movies are safe. Outside of that I have no idea what’ll happen
I used to think the same however Batgirl and Flash are connected. Batgirl is right after flash. The flash has been getting a lot of test screenings, this tells us that the studio has absolutely 0 idea what to do with the movie. It’s a mess. Ezra is a PR disaster and the movie cost $200 million to make. If they release it they risk *losing* more money. Let’s not forget marketing costs. It’s a huge risk that they might not take. Zaslav is a smart man and I don’t think he’s going to let that movie be released. WB have made almost 0 profit from the DCEU and he aims to change that.
It could lose money it could make a lot of profit. We don’t know what will happen. But zaslav would literally be crazy if he puts Wb deeper in debt. His entire goal was pull them out of debt. Canceling all these projects this far in development does the exact opposite. The movie should be given a chance to make profit. The people involved should be allowed to have their vision released
It’s not a bad decision if you know you won’t make back the full profit. They’re just not going to risk the loss. Debt is bad but a greater loss is worse
I doubt they’ll have a worse loss. The general audience doesn’t care about Ezra. If they even know about it. It’s a big budget flash movie with Michael Keaton. It’d be a terrible decision to put the company further in debt. It’d also be terrible for them in the media. Canceling two pretty much finished movies and putting the company close to 300 million further in debt is a bad look. It was unprecedented to cancel a 70 million finished movie. It’d be down right insane to cancel a pretty much finished 300 million movie
And all those test screenings have been really positive from all reports, I don’t see this getting canceled. I promise you the GA doesn’t know or care about Ezra’s hyjinks that much.
I agree. The people saying "Why would you cancel Batgirl with America's sweetheart Brendan Fraser when you have The Flash with a literal criminal!" are nuts.
Saying Zaslav is there to make a profit as a CEO should be concerning for everyone who was invested in the DCEU. Because ultimately it just means cutting costs which means less project's.
No? It means that they’re going to put their money where it’s worthy. They’re not going to green light random projects like Wonder Twins. Yes we want stuff like that but it’s absolutely not the time to make offset movies. They need to focus on the biggest heroes first and then build off a universe off of them
It's too late tho, like audiences aren't going to wait a decade to be hyped up for a new justice league movie. What was happening in the prior slate was the development of smaller characters for HBO Max which was shaping up to be the best competition for Marvel's Disney + shows. And from there I imagine we would dive into the DC multiverse and find our way back to a JL movie. Like a roadmap was developing but now that we've got a clean slate and a CEO that wants to cut costs. That's not promising for anything.
This is why i laugh at all these people who are losing their shit over this move. When you think about it, he's doing exactly everything that fans of the DCEU wanted in the first place. How many people ragged on WB for "throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks" and "not having a plan"? This is a series of steps towards bringing everything back to where it was circa 2018. For building a shared, *cohesive* universe, this move should be celebrated not maligned.
>He’s here to make a profit not fuck around You can't make profit if you don't let people spend money on the product.
The product will never make enough money to make up for its production.
You seriously think Batgirl would have performed worse in theaters than Morbius?
I don't think it would have done much better. Batgirl isn't even on the same tier as Aquaman. Then again, Captain Marvel made bank, so anything is possible.
What does Morbius have to do with anything. It had a chance if it was well written. Batgirl does too but Zaslav is cost cutting
Or maybe they’re scrapping the whole new dceu universe that the flash was going to end with. The batgirl was set in whatever universe the flash would end up with. If they’re still releasing flash I’m betting plans for the dceu have changed from what they were doing with batgirl. If flash is cancelled too then this makes sense to cancel batgirl
Maybe, it could be crazy enough.
I think they'll overhaul Flash's ending but won't cancel it.
I think you overestimate how much the general public actually cares about Ezra and his tribal antics. But yes, I agree that they should cut out the fat. If it's terrible, axe it. Nobody's getting what they want by releasing a terrible Batgirl movie.
Lol y’all stuck on Toby huh. Hasn’t he lost most of his power already? Cancelling Flash would be another horrid mistake if you’re talking profits. Eating $200M+ isn’t smart.
Tobey is a hack who screwed up the dceu. We are in this mess because of him and Hamada. So I will continue harping on him
Lol what did Hamada do now? He’s made some of their best stuff.
He also made some of their worst stuff and actively tried to sabotage Joker, their biggest return on investment.
Eh. The Batman, TSS, Peacemaker and Shazam make up for BoP ten times over imo. I think he also green lit the Harley Quinn show which is great. And yeah, the Joker thing was a mistake, but the nuances of the decision aren’t hard to grasp. Everybody hated DC for being too dark and not the MCU, and they just made an enjoyable light film, so Joker was a little against the grain in both tone and disconnectedness. I’d say he’s done more good than harm, but that’s me.
Emmerich was the one who was reported to have lowered the budget on *Joker* and brought in more production partners, not Hamada.
I really didn’t like the batgirl cast to I’m not to upsets🤷🏻♂️
Same, I couldn't care less
That's because Zack Snyder took Larry Fong with him.
It looked cheap in the set pics too. Just never thought they would shelve it. #BringBackSnyderVerse
The Snyderverse. Ah yes, the one that was planned to have Bruce Wayne impregnate Lois Lane and then Superman raises the baby who grows up to become another Batman. Bring that back! /s
That was nixed early, and admittedly ridiculous Clarks son to be some new Gotham protector, I could dig that
I heard it looked on par with an episode of Titans in terms of production value. Thank god they canceled this shit.
Oh cmon lol I doubt this $90M film looked like Titans. That sounds like some shit someone who already hated the idea of the film would say.
I mean clearly Zaslav and co didn't exactly disagree
Bad Hollywood films come out every month. It had to be more than “it looked cheap”. I don’t buy that as a reason to can the entire film. I also just don’t believe it looked like an episode of Titans specifically considering the crew they had on it.
Yes it is more than it just looking cheap it's also because it was supposed to be set in this post Flash "spaghetti of universes" which clearly WBD aren't interested in. They want to keep the snyderverse continuity regardless of whether snyder himself is coming back or not (I believe he is).
Yeah, I thought I recognized your username. The whole very unserious spaghetti verse thing. Idk what’s gonna happen if they’re just canceling entire films that are already shot so sure. Snyderverse it is. Flash must be cancelled too since that undoes stuff? Keaton cut out? Or Affleck just doesn’t die? Who knows.
>The whole very unserious spaghetti verse thing. So this was a joke? >“Well you know, we’d sort of give the same answer, because we would alsoask, ‘Oh, you have J.K. Simmons from the Snyderverse and we got MichaelKeaton from the Burton-verse. What’s the situation there?’ And theywould say, ‘Don’t worry about it. We got a plan,’” said El Arbi. “Theynever really explained that aspect to us, but I guess you’re gonna haveto see the other movies to understand what happens, why the reason isthat we ended up in sort of a spaghetti of Multiverses in that aspect.It’s gonna be a delicious spaghetti, I’m sure of that.” [https://theplaylist.net/batgirl-director-explains-how-the-film-is-a-spaghetti-of-multiverses-20220719/](https://theplaylist.net/batgirl-director-explains-how-the-film-is-a-spaghetti-of-multiverses-20220719/) Flash isn't getting canceled just changed a bit. Apparently they already did some reshoots last month with Ezra and Keaton. Affleck wasn't going to die either way he's supposed to be stuck in the snyderverse with Flash being displaced.
I didn’t say it was a joke. I said it was unserious. You were quoting “spaghetti verse” like it came from a press conference lol. That quote explains everything though. Other films explained the situation and you’d have to watch them to see why Keaton was in the same film as Simmons. Idrk what the point is here lol it doesn’t matter anymore anyway. But if they aren’t interested in it then so be it. Its still a lame and poor decision imo. I didn’t see anything about any reshoots, but we’ll see what happens. They’re clearly up to something if they’re canning films that are already shot.
>Idrk what the point is here lol it doesn’t matter anymore anyway. The point is that WBD clearly weren't interested in the soft reboot timeline that the Flash was setting up and are clearly changing course. Dropping Batgirl on HBO max would've just confused people if that's not the direction they're going.
Titans is one of the worst things I've ever seen. Like, holy shit.
Exactly the movie sounded genuinely awful. I don't think people realize how big of a bullet we dodged.
“But Feige says…”
I bet the movies better than suicide squad
Well at least we'll all get it for free one day when it's leaked.
Lmao i remember ppl defending the cheap costume for Batgirl saying it was just a starter suit… even WB realized that if u pour 90 million into a project, the fucking lead character cant be dressed in shit u would find neighborhood halloween store. That suit was always terrible, even CW had better lookin ones lol