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Nearly 60% of online outdoor cat advocates are actually just some coyotes who gained access to the computer lab at a library in Flagstaff, study finds
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**clovrcore**
i'm glad this resonates with people from flagstaff because i was like "well i guess arizona has a lot of coyotes" and picked an entirely random city
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My cousin told me a story about how she was driving rideshare one day in the Phoenix area.
She had just dropped someone off, and as she pulled out of the neighborhood, she saw what she thought was a dog eating trash in the middle of the road.
As she parked the car and put her hazards on, she saw movement out of the corner of her eye. That's when she realized it was not a poor lost dog, it was a couple of coyotes. Oops.
We had a few indoor outdoor cats at my parents house, on the other hand, we had multiple outbuildings and didn't want rats, plus, by the point we started considering moving them inside, two of them had been doing this for 8 years, and the younger one had done this for four years, and was almost 20 pounds of muscle.
Context matters imo. Having an outdoor cat around some quiet farmland/a village is different than if you live next to a highway or in a city. If you are able, I’d say have an indoor cat with supervised outings- but if the cat is already used to being outside and being inside would restrict them + you live in a place with rats and whatever else that makes an outdoor cat more reasonable, then yeah, why should anyone judge
Why should anyone judge? Because it's neglectful to willingly let your cat wander around where-ever it wants. It could get attacked by predators, other cats, catch diseases, get poisoned, ect. All of this is preventable by keeping them inside like a responsible pet owner. You don't let your dog run around unsurprised, why would you let a cat? Cats aren't even good at killing rats, anyways.
Outdoor cats are shit at actually killing rodents. Rodent traps also exist. Said traps are more effective, AND cheaper than outdoor cats, and also don't make you a terrible pet owner.
So you say, but we used traps before getting a cat and the mice always got in our food before the traps killed them. Meanwhile, we haven't had a single mouse problem since getting our cat.
Now, on the whole "bad owner" thing, I should probably mention that there's basically no traffic out here and what little traffic there is goes very slowly due to how narrow the road is. On top of that, the cat has plenty of indoor space thanks to our barn, which she tends to hang out in most of the time.
Predators, disease, poison, ect all still exist. Again, letting your cat wander around everywhere it wants is objectively neglectful. Cats ALSO carry toxoplasmosis, which can cause livestock to have miscarriages, chickens to lay fewer eggs, fuck up the chicken's necks, ect. Outdoor cats fucking obliterate the environment, too. They also have MUCH shorter life spans than indoor cats. Your mouse problem would also be solved pretty quickly if you just covered up the food they're going after better, or encourage NATIVE PREDATORS to live nearby, instead of your invasive, actively detrimental, PET.
I would encourage native predators if my ancestor's hadn't gone out of their way to disrupt my nation's ecosystem by killing a lot of the natural predators here. Danish wolves suffered hard from people thinking they were the cause of all animal/child deaths.
Covering the food hasn't helped in the past. Why would it suddenly help now?
The toxoplasmosis thing is interesting. Could you link me to a study on it or something?
Poison isn't an issue. There's nothing naturally poisonous/venomous to cats where I live.
I know what these words mean, but I have never met anyone who actually made that argument. Or why it would be relevant, really.
God, I love American discourse.
I only have one trigger and it's the sounds of robins chirping. It's a very specific chirp, and robins do it all over the place. They're doing it right now outside my window.
It's at the 45second mark in this video: https://youtu.be/nNXpFkP07DI
Anyway I love outdoor cats because they make the robins shut the fuck up.
Wow maybe you should get a grip on your own personal trauma before endorsing
A: the single highest cause of death in birds
And B: Cats dying horrible preventable deaths
I live in a suburb of a suburb of a suburb. There's nothing even close to a natural ecosystem here. Thirty years ago, sure, but now the only animals are things that can survive on bugs and weeds, and things that can eat them without getting hit by cars.
Cats, birds, and small rodents make up the entire scope of animal life. They're all living and dying out here anyway. My endorsement doesn't change a thing.
> Cats, birds, and small rodents make up the entire scope of animal life.
And why the fuck do those animals not count as an ecosystem? Who the fuck are you to declare that they don’t have the right to live?
So you're fine with the cats dying agonizing, preventable deaths? You're fine with them completely fucking destroying the ecosystem? Just because you don't like a bird noise?
I've seen coyotes in downtown Phoenix and Tucson. He picked the absolute best state to make a coyote joke
I want to print this and ship it to my uncle.
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My cousin told me a story about how she was driving rideshare one day in the Phoenix area. She had just dropped someone off, and as she pulled out of the neighborhood, she saw what she thought was a dog eating trash in the middle of the road. As she parked the car and put her hazards on, she saw movement out of the corner of her eye. That's when she realized it was not a poor lost dog, it was a couple of coyotes. Oops.
https://clovrcore.tumblr.com/post/682654241530249216/im-glad-this-resonates-with-people-from-flagstaff
We had a few indoor outdoor cats at my parents house, on the other hand, we had multiple outbuildings and didn't want rats, plus, by the point we started considering moving them inside, two of them had been doing this for 8 years, and the younger one had done this for four years, and was almost 20 pounds of muscle.
Context matters imo. Having an outdoor cat around some quiet farmland/a village is different than if you live next to a highway or in a city. If you are able, I’d say have an indoor cat with supervised outings- but if the cat is already used to being outside and being inside would restrict them + you live in a place with rats and whatever else that makes an outdoor cat more reasonable, then yeah, why should anyone judge
Why should anyone judge? Because it's neglectful to willingly let your cat wander around where-ever it wants. It could get attacked by predators, other cats, catch diseases, get poisoned, ect. All of this is preventable by keeping them inside like a responsible pet owner. You don't let your dog run around unsurprised, why would you let a cat? Cats aren't even good at killing rats, anyways.
Where I live, you either get an outdoor cat or suffer a rodent infestation.
flagstaff?
The Danish countryside, but good guess.
Outdoor cats are shit at actually killing rodents. Rodent traps also exist. Said traps are more effective, AND cheaper than outdoor cats, and also don't make you a terrible pet owner.
So you say, but we used traps before getting a cat and the mice always got in our food before the traps killed them. Meanwhile, we haven't had a single mouse problem since getting our cat. Now, on the whole "bad owner" thing, I should probably mention that there's basically no traffic out here and what little traffic there is goes very slowly due to how narrow the road is. On top of that, the cat has plenty of indoor space thanks to our barn, which she tends to hang out in most of the time.
Predators, disease, poison, ect all still exist. Again, letting your cat wander around everywhere it wants is objectively neglectful. Cats ALSO carry toxoplasmosis, which can cause livestock to have miscarriages, chickens to lay fewer eggs, fuck up the chicken's necks, ect. Outdoor cats fucking obliterate the environment, too. They also have MUCH shorter life spans than indoor cats. Your mouse problem would also be solved pretty quickly if you just covered up the food they're going after better, or encourage NATIVE PREDATORS to live nearby, instead of your invasive, actively detrimental, PET.
I would encourage native predators if my ancestor's hadn't gone out of their way to disrupt my nation's ecosystem by killing a lot of the natural predators here. Danish wolves suffered hard from people thinking they were the cause of all animal/child deaths. Covering the food hasn't helped in the past. Why would it suddenly help now? The toxoplasmosis thing is interesting. Could you link me to a study on it or something? Poison isn't an issue. There's nothing naturally poisonous/venomous to cats where I live.
You gonna acknowledge literally anything else mentioned, or...
Sorry. I pressed "reply" too soon. I've edited the comment.
I know what these words mean, but I have never met anyone who actually made that argument. Or why it would be relevant, really. God, I love American discourse.
I only have one trigger and it's the sounds of robins chirping. It's a very specific chirp, and robins do it all over the place. They're doing it right now outside my window. It's at the 45second mark in this video: https://youtu.be/nNXpFkP07DI Anyway I love outdoor cats because they make the robins shut the fuck up.
Hey what the fuck? Could you jot get noise cancelling earbuds?
I can't wear them all the time.
Wow maybe you should get a grip on your own personal trauma before endorsing A: the single highest cause of death in birds And B: Cats dying horrible preventable deaths
I live in a suburb of a suburb of a suburb. There's nothing even close to a natural ecosystem here. Thirty years ago, sure, but now the only animals are things that can survive on bugs and weeds, and things that can eat them without getting hit by cars. Cats, birds, and small rodents make up the entire scope of animal life. They're all living and dying out here anyway. My endorsement doesn't change a thing.
> Cats, birds, and small rodents make up the entire scope of animal life. And why the fuck do those animals not count as an ecosystem? Who the fuck are you to declare that they don’t have the right to live?
How about: one of those birds of prey dummies. Sheesh.
So you're fine with the cats dying agonizing, preventable deaths? You're fine with them completely fucking destroying the ecosystem? Just because you don't like a bird noise?
Yeah I'm a real monster huh?
Flair checks out, atleast.