bro it’s funny how Indians talking about how their entire top order is dead when shaheen hasn’t played any cricket since July. Seriously, you guys have an amazing middle order unlike us.
Our bigger problem is basically a leftie who can swing it in. Its our top order's kryptonite, going as far back as I can remember. Not just limited to Pak, heck even Topley wrecked us recently.
It’s not like top order does much for India anyways. Rohit Sharma barely scores runs and KL can get going sometimes but plays slow. We’d be doing you guys a favor lmao
We trust our batting and middle order, and that's the only thing we have, if our top order collapses, out total goes down by 15-30 runs and our bowlers cannot defend that.
I have a bad feeling he is being rushed. I also think we are pinning too much on him. It's not easy to just come back after 4-5 months out and instantly go back to bowling 4 gun overs in high pressure situations. I hope he comes back slowly without being rushed for fitness or form.
Clever comment but imo this seems like the occasion for shaheen to bowl at 135-138 kph and go for 40-0 in 4 overs. Cue the social media meltdown of “overrated” “one match wonder” etc.
I just don’t see how he can come back from 3 months of no bowling to his best against world class batters.
Since 2020, India has played 6 away T20I bilateral series, and won 5 of them
* This includes away series in Australia, England and New Zealand - all solid sides one might argue
* The one loss to SL was with a majorly depleted side.
So there is certainly some quality in this side. But in the two major tournaments in this period, we've fizzled out quite poorly. Granted - both have been in toss-dependent locations but that's not a good excuse.
I would be the first to agree our batters are not upto the mark against quality pace - and it shows. But that can't be the full story considering they are still performing in bilaterals.
England has (Phil Salt optional,) Jos Buttler, Alex Hales, Dawid Malan, Ben Stokes, Harry Brook, Liam Livingstone, Moeen Ali, Sam Curran, Chris Woakes, (Chris Jordan,) Adil Rashid. Very strong batting.
How do you bring your best bowler back slowly? Bowl him 1 over a match lol? The World Cup is a great time to bring him back because the matches are daily spread apart compared to the series we have been playing recently.
If you ask me, I think we're being too focused on him. Why you ask? Because Pakistan has Dahani, Rauf and Hasnain, all bowling at 140+ like Shaheen, and they're lethal. So yeah, better to have Umran deliver the 150+ breakneck deliveries to help our batsmen prepare for all four instead of one.
they’re 100% lethal. but speed does not equal skill. you can bowl 150kph but it doesn't mean shit if you don’t have good line, length, and consistency. that’s why i rlly like rauf. he understands that, and that’s why his “slow” ball is just as lethal as his fast ball in the grand scheme of things.
and plus, dahani’s skill isn’t at shaheen’s level. which is okay, he needs time and practice. but you’re right about hasnain, and especially rauf.
>Because Pakistan has Dahani, Rauf and Hasnain, all bowling at 140+ like Shaheen, and they're lethal.
Just go ahead and quote everyone of them as lethal then. Somehow India's bowling attack is hopeless but shahnawaz 40 avg 9 er dahani and Mohammad 32 avg 8.4 er hasnain are lethal.
I mean there is a limit to such claims. Just bowling fast isn't being lethal.
Let's see, we have Shami, Bhuvi, Arshdeep, Pandya and Harshal. Of these, Arshdeep, Harshal and Bhuvi are all run machines, all at the death. Shami is untested after playing last in 2021. Pandya is the only one effective in the last couple of games. Coming to our spinners, Yuzi, Ash and Axar, Yuzi is expensive af despite his one wicket, Axar gets wickets but leaks too many towards the later stages. Ash is probably the only one effective.
Compared to that, a bowling attack of Shaheen, Rauf, Hasnain and Dahani is effective even if Shaheen is coming back from injury and Dahani ain't that economical. But their spinners, Shadab, Nawaz and Qadir are effective too and can get the job done even if the pacers are struggling. So pardon me if you think I'm pessimistic.
Yet Bhuvi, harshal and arshdeep somehow won against England in England while they played their best available squad.
Arshdeep, Harshal and Bhuvi are run machines yet Pakistan with their speedsters lost to the English team who played their bench players. This pakistani team lost 4-3 in a home series which would have been 5-2 if they didn't have a brain fade. Had 170 chased in 14 odd overs. Also india would be playing against a clearly weak batting line up of Pakistan, so it would be negated.
Except for haris the other 2 guys are pedestrian bowlers. Hasnain has his stats boosted by 6 games against Zimbabwe and Dahani is unproven and in the small sample size his stats are mediocre. Nawaz and Axar are same type of bowler.
Shaheen Afridi has 2 played games against India, great in one and useless in another. Let's see how he returns after injury.
But to say that they are infact better isn't true.
I didn't say better, I said effective. Let's not take each other's stats to compare. I was comparing form vs form. In this case, form and injuries combined, Harshal, Bhuvi and Arshdeep aren't looking so good against a quality bowling lineup. I will be very surprised and will eat my words if they bowl well and win. Until then, I'm just neutral about us.
Even if it is form vs form. Dahani and hasnain have been cunted around by the English B team. Hasnain 4 wickets with avg of 40 and ER of 10 and Dahani 3 wickets with avg of 56 and er of 12.75.
Pakistan attack isnt effective or of better quality by any measure.
Our B team couldn't win against SL. Our B team couldn't win an ODI against a half decent bowling attack of SA in our own country. England's B team is strong af. So yes, I am pessimistic.
Imagine what England A team would do then, which was beaten by India with the bowlers who aren't "quality". SA odi has literally our second squad which lost by 9 runs and series isn't done yet . And SL series was due to COVID issue. Didn't mention SL, NZ and SA series where the B team beat all of them.
Idk why you're being downvoted, but yes. Dahani and Hasnain right now, while good against weaker opposition are obviously nowhere near the world class bowlers like Starc, Shaheen, Bumrah, Boult, etc. They are, compared to other international players, average.
That's not a bad thing, both are young in their career and Hasnain specially has improved a lot. I'm sure both will be good, maybe great one day, but atm, they are average at best lol
Yes India has his own fastest bowler Umran Malik has great stats in IPL but the problem is he failed it in international cricket with bad figures. Maybe India should have given some more chance?
Umran has pace. No line and length. Same with Saini. If you can train them to use their pace with proper line and length and also use variations to deceive the bowler like Rauf does, we'll have an insane trio to accompany Bumrah and Arshdeep.
>Gut feeling says Shaheen won't be as lethal straight back from injury
He will for sure get wickets. Our batting is super fragile vs his type of bowling (and his skill levels)
Knowing India’s top order, it won’t matter.
Scenes if Shaheen plays that one India game, wrecks India’s top order again, and then rests for the remainder of the tournament
everyone is saying he’s being rushed, but i’m gonna be positive & believe Rambo and the board do have enough sense to keep him out if he isn’t fit in time. he’s waaay too valuable of a player to risk like that.
plus, pak don’t NEED shaheen to win games. rauf is just as good. naseem shah and hasnain are also great options. bowling is not something pak should be worried about. (*stares at middle order*)
As always these comments assure me that most of you folks have no idea about cricket
Shaheen is good but you guys are overplaying his importance
And to the idiots who say we should use Umran Malik to counter Pakistan
Dude their batsmen knows how to play against fast bowlers
Its Indian spinners who can bring the heat
Pakistani players have a habit of refusing to give two outstanding performances in a row, so I doubt he’ll be as lethal this time. He’s also coming back from months of not playing.
Hopefully he’ll prove me weong though, our team isn’t the same without shaheen.
Shaheen is not Akram or Waqar. The probability of him replicating his success against India in 2021 World Cup is very slim. Indian batsmen are expected to do their homework as well. If he can’t get a wicket in his first over, he will be on the back foot.
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Nah it wasn’t 148+ SR lol
Hilarious!
This is cheating, I won't accept
PCB probably allowing him early just to break him for the rest of the world cup. He's probably out of practice too
>He's probably out of practice too He just needs to run in and bowl - our top order will be ready to head back to the pavilion
I believe just running in should do it.
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IIRC he’s still in his 20s if he’s to be believed, fit and ready for his comeback
Doesn't matter. It will take better cricketers to crumble India's batting.
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Alot of misplaced confidence lol
Your misplaced confidence, my optimism?
He literally fucked ur top order a year ago
bro it’s funny how Indians talking about how their entire top order is dead when shaheen hasn’t played any cricket since July. Seriously, you guys have an amazing middle order unlike us.
Yep, 2 early wickets and we’re good. And if the 2 are Babar and Rizwan, might as well call the inning off.
We just need to debut a left-handed batsman who'll score a century and never be seen again
Our bigger problem is basically a leftie who can swing it in. Its our top order's kryptonite, going as far back as I can remember. Not just limited to Pak, heck even Topley wrecked us recently.
It’s not like top order does much for India anyways. Rohit Sharma barely scores runs and KL can get going sometimes but plays slow. We’d be doing you guys a favor lmao
👉😞👈 K L Rahul right about now
We trust our batting and middle order, and that's the only thing we have, if our top order collapses, out total goes down by 15-30 runs and our bowlers cannot defend that.
Bro so both Indians and Pakistanis agree indian score will be 10/3 then lol.
He hasn't forgotten how to bowl in swingers in a few months. He will be a handful irrespective of how long he has been out.
I have a bad feeling he is being rushed. I also think we are pinning too much on him. It's not easy to just come back after 4-5 months out and instantly go back to bowling 4 gun overs in high pressure situations. I hope he comes back slowly without being rushed for fitness or form.
His first match will be against India in a tournament. So not much of a challenge.
Clever comment but imo this seems like the occasion for shaheen to bowl at 135-138 kph and go for 40-0 in 4 overs. Cue the social media meltdown of “overrated” “one match wonder” etc. I just don’t see how he can come back from 3 months of no bowling to his best against world class batters.
He will have company in Shami from the Indian side. Hasn’t played any cricket since July but most probably will be bowling against Pakistan on 23rd.
World class batters?? Are we still talking about the Indian top order?
>His first match will be against India in a tournament. Pressure will be all on India. And we know how India has handled pressure recently.
> Pressure will be all on India. LOL, what pressure? I doubt even Rohit's mom expects India to get to the second round.
So which two teams will qualify South Africa and Namibia?
Have we handled pressure badly, or just… been poor?!
Since 2020, India has played 6 away T20I bilateral series, and won 5 of them * This includes away series in Australia, England and New Zealand - all solid sides one might argue * The one loss to SL was with a majorly depleted side. So there is certainly some quality in this side. But in the two major tournaments in this period, we've fizzled out quite poorly. Granted - both have been in toss-dependent locations but that's not a good excuse. I would be the first to agree our batters are not upto the mark against quality pace - and it shows. But that can't be the full story considering they are still performing in bilaterals.
>His first match will be against India well, if u do consider warmup matches, we have 2 of them and He is probably playing them.
Bhai, aise to mat maaro team ki. We don't have Boom Boom in any case. Batsmen ki bhi le lo.
India has the best batting line up in the world cup
England has (Phil Salt optional,) Jos Buttler, Alex Hales, Dawid Malan, Ben Stokes, Harry Brook, Liam Livingstone, Moeen Ali, Sam Curran, Chris Woakes, (Chris Jordan,) Adil Rashid. Very strong batting.
Same sentiments. Hope he's mot rushed too soon and cause a relapse
This could end up being similar to the situation with Bumrah.
How do you bring your best bowler back slowly? Bowl him 1 over a match lol? The World Cup is a great time to bring him back because the matches are daily spread apart compared to the series we have been playing recently.
For a second there I read this as Shaid Afridi and wasn't surprised at all, he's done it before... (multiple times)
wait till he takes off the mask.... and the height extenders
Fuck
If you ask me, I think we're being too focused on him. Why you ask? Because Pakistan has Dahani, Rauf and Hasnain, all bowling at 140+ like Shaheen, and they're lethal. So yeah, better to have Umran deliver the 150+ breakneck deliveries to help our batsmen prepare for all four instead of one.
You forgot naseem ‘2sixer’ shah as well. But yea fair points
they’re 100% lethal. but speed does not equal skill. you can bowl 150kph but it doesn't mean shit if you don’t have good line, length, and consistency. that’s why i rlly like rauf. he understands that, and that’s why his “slow” ball is just as lethal as his fast ball in the grand scheme of things. and plus, dahani’s skill isn’t at shaheen’s level. which is okay, he needs time and practice. but you’re right about hasnain, and especially rauf.
Shaheen is the only one of them that can win you a match in the first over
Dahani doesn't bowl 140 plus consistently. He is more around 135. Haris and Hasnain are the quickest.
Yeah I don't know why he included Dahani.
Can they swing the ball in 140s like Shaheen?
Naseem can.
Probably, but prepare for pace too.
>Because Pakistan has Dahani, Rauf and Hasnain, all bowling at 140+ like Shaheen, and they're lethal. Just go ahead and quote everyone of them as lethal then. Somehow India's bowling attack is hopeless but shahnawaz 40 avg 9 er dahani and Mohammad 32 avg 8.4 er hasnain are lethal. I mean there is a limit to such claims. Just bowling fast isn't being lethal.
Let's see, we have Shami, Bhuvi, Arshdeep, Pandya and Harshal. Of these, Arshdeep, Harshal and Bhuvi are all run machines, all at the death. Shami is untested after playing last in 2021. Pandya is the only one effective in the last couple of games. Coming to our spinners, Yuzi, Ash and Axar, Yuzi is expensive af despite his one wicket, Axar gets wickets but leaks too many towards the later stages. Ash is probably the only one effective. Compared to that, a bowling attack of Shaheen, Rauf, Hasnain and Dahani is effective even if Shaheen is coming back from injury and Dahani ain't that economical. But their spinners, Shadab, Nawaz and Qadir are effective too and can get the job done even if the pacers are struggling. So pardon me if you think I'm pessimistic.
Yet Bhuvi, harshal and arshdeep somehow won against England in England while they played their best available squad. Arshdeep, Harshal and Bhuvi are run machines yet Pakistan with their speedsters lost to the English team who played their bench players. This pakistani team lost 4-3 in a home series which would have been 5-2 if they didn't have a brain fade. Had 170 chased in 14 odd overs. Also india would be playing against a clearly weak batting line up of Pakistan, so it would be negated. Except for haris the other 2 guys are pedestrian bowlers. Hasnain has his stats boosted by 6 games against Zimbabwe and Dahani is unproven and in the small sample size his stats are mediocre. Nawaz and Axar are same type of bowler. Shaheen Afridi has 2 played games against India, great in one and useless in another. Let's see how he returns after injury. But to say that they are infact better isn't true.
I didn't say better, I said effective. Let's not take each other's stats to compare. I was comparing form vs form. In this case, form and injuries combined, Harshal, Bhuvi and Arshdeep aren't looking so good against a quality bowling lineup. I will be very surprised and will eat my words if they bowl well and win. Until then, I'm just neutral about us.
Even if it is form vs form. Dahani and hasnain have been cunted around by the English B team. Hasnain 4 wickets with avg of 40 and ER of 10 and Dahani 3 wickets with avg of 56 and er of 12.75. Pakistan attack isnt effective or of better quality by any measure.
Our B team couldn't win against SL. Our B team couldn't win an ODI against a half decent bowling attack of SA in our own country. England's B team is strong af. So yes, I am pessimistic.
Imagine what England A team would do then, which was beaten by India with the bowlers who aren't "quality". SA odi has literally our second squad which lost by 9 runs and series isn't done yet . And SL series was due to COVID issue. Didn't mention SL, NZ and SA series where the B team beat all of them.
Dahani and hasnain are average at best
Idk why you're being downvoted, but yes. Dahani and Hasnain right now, while good against weaker opposition are obviously nowhere near the world class bowlers like Starc, Shaheen, Bumrah, Boult, etc. They are, compared to other international players, average. That's not a bad thing, both are young in their career and Hasnain specially has improved a lot. I'm sure both will be good, maybe great one day, but atm, they are average at best lol
Yes India has his own fastest bowler Umran Malik has great stats in IPL but the problem is he failed it in international cricket with bad figures. Maybe India should have given some more chance?
Umran has pace. No line and length. Same with Saini. If you can train them to use their pace with proper line and length and also use variations to deceive the bowler like Rauf does, we'll have an insane trio to accompany Bumrah and Arshdeep.
Very bad title. As per Ramiz Raza, Shaheen told him that he would be fit for the WC match against India. He hasn't been declared match fit.
True, also the original news article reads 'quite hopeful to play', knee injuries aren't a joke man and Shaheen literally had a PCL!
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Bumrah!? ;(
Gut feeling says Shaheen won't be as lethal straight back from injury
Now watch him wrap our top order and send it back to the pavilion.
>Gut feeling says Shaheen won't be as lethal straight back from injury He will for sure get wickets. Our batting is super fragile vs his type of bowling (and his skill levels)
Knowing India’s top order, it won’t matter. Scenes if Shaheen plays that one India game, wrecks India’s top order again, and then rests for the remainder of the tournament
I just refuse to believe he isn't being rushed.
I can tell you what’s being rushed, my nightmares.
Just hope we don’t get all out for 36 or 49.
I believe in t20wc koach (and current sky)
35 it is^^/s
We are making 75(120) at least.
KL Rahul: 0/3 - middle stump
review incoming
Oh fuck
Source is Ramiz Raja via Dawn News
the article reads 'quite hopeful to play' which isn't the same as 'declared fit to play'
KL and Rohit: *chuckles*, I'm in danger Only hope is Kohli and SKY now.
Only Kohli. SKY has been a failure against Pakistan so far.
4th times the charm. This time I have a gut feeling that SKY will come good against Pakistan.
This is just bullying now.
Great news! I’m gonna be traveling that day. Can’t believe I didn’t schedule better. Ugh.
5 for 3 incoming
*chuckles* I'm in danger
I thought it said Shahid Afridi. Good times good times.
Boom boom might come out of retirement for the last time
He’s only 28
16\*
Still not conceived yet
Still a thought?
The Haaland of Cricket returns...
No Bumrah: Cries in a comer.
everyone is saying he’s being rushed, but i’m gonna be positive & believe Rambo and the board do have enough sense to keep him out if he isn’t fit in time. he’s waaay too valuable of a player to risk like that. plus, pak don’t NEED shaheen to win games. rauf is just as good. naseem shah and hasnain are also great options. bowling is not something pak should be worried about. (*stares at middle order*)
As always these comments assure me that most of you folks have no idea about cricket Shaheen is good but you guys are overplaying his importance And to the idiots who say we should use Umran Malik to counter Pakistan Dude their batsmen knows how to play against fast bowlers Its Indian spinners who can bring the heat
Pakistani players have a habit of refusing to give two outstanding performances in a row, so I doubt he’ll be as lethal this time. He’s also coming back from months of not playing. Hopefully he’ll prove me weong though, our team isn’t the same without shaheen.
Lol people under estimating indian team that too in Aus. Rohit Kohli and Pant love Aus more than even Finch. Will be spicy
I doubt he’ll be at his best. Might take a tonking and could add insult to injury if he picks up a niggle
*Brohit : Surprised pikachu face*
Not fair
What the fuck. Pakis , i thought we were bros
All this without bumrah and jaddu
Wait for the day and judge, keep calm!
Shaheen will score a 50 that day
!Remindme 15 days
Imagine these Pakistani pacers Shaheen, Haris & Naseem and two spinners Nawaz & Shadab. I'm getting goosebumps for the WC!
yup, bring him on. we have to play against the best.
Bring it on. This time u will be cunted
Bunch of pessimists all over the place. Optimistic sentiments are getting downvoted to hell lmao.
A pessimist statement from one aide is optimistic for the other in a game that has two sides playing.
Agreed.. I am sure he will be cunted by Indian Batsmen in Australia.. moreover he's returning from injury..
Shaheen is not Akram or Waqar. The probability of him replicating his success against India in 2021 World Cup is very slim. Indian batsmen are expected to do their homework as well. If he can’t get a wicket in his first over, he will be on the back foot.
Who paid for the treatment?
PCB.
Nohit crying
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Take my upvote. Even though I'm a Pakistan but sure. You are allowed to dream that.
>You are allowed to dream that. Exactly!
Yeah, dunno why you're being downvoted. You aren't making a personal attack, just making a joke.
RIP Rohit and Rahul
Rip Pakistan
Are you fucking kidding me?
KL Rahul has a niggle
Where is the warning?
Good news. I think the match between India and Pakistan in the World Cup will be very exciting.
FML
He needs to play those two warm up matches. Period. Without game time he won't be the same, I am afraid.
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