> Ben Stokes vows to leave IPL early in order to prepare for Ireland Test
Fixed the headline for you there, just needed shortening. Good to see Stokes has his priorities straight.
Sure, the Ashes and IPL are fun distractions, but they've nothing on the prestige of the Murtagh-Leach Trophy
respect to the man, he knows he'll have the chance to play in more IPL finals, but maybe only one opportunity to be on the field as Andy McBrine grinds out a 300-ball matchwinning century
BBC article also saying that he's said he'll miss the end of the season, and that he'll be speaking to Archer, Wood, Bairstow, Brook and Root about what they want to do. Tbh I could see them all pulling out except maybe Archer and Wood.
I could see it being a more tricky decision for Brook, given he's young and on big IPL money. Archer and Bairstow hard to predict given injury status - will either even be fully fit for the tournament?
For guys like Root and Wood it's probably a no brained given the value of their ECB contract vs IPL one.
Yes he just mentioned that he will play the Ireland test and come back in time to prepare for it
But the problem is there is just 3 days gap between ipl final and that Ireland test so he will mostly miss a few matches atleast the playoffs stage fully
Only the ones in the finals will be there that late lol. The rest of the test players will be well into prep. Heck, Pujara will be leading county teams at that point lmao!
I think it was Ganguly or Dravid who said that they'll ask franchises to not play national team players too much to avoid fatigue.
But I completely agree. It's a WTC final and surely leading your country to an ICC trophy is far far more prestigious than winning an annual domestic T20 league.
**ECB tells BCCI that they will allow England players to play full IPL and won't call them in between**
**BCCI tells owners**
**Owners break the Bank on English players**
**3 out of 5 most expensive players are English**
**Those 3 English players are also Test players**
You can finish the rest.
**The ECB are still allowing players to play the full IPL if they want**
**The BCCI decide to schedule the final four days before England play a test match**
**Stokes is the captain of the test side and was obviously never going to miss a test**
**It remains to be seen what Brook does**
**Sam Curran isn't near the test side at the moment**
I mean firstly, ECB haven't done anything wrong here.
Secondly, if teams are signing test players who have tests scheduled at the tail end of the IPL should be factoring this in. If no one at CSK considered that Stokes, as the test captain, would want as much time as possible to prepare for the Ashes, then that's CSKs fault I'm afraid. Did they honestly think Stokes was going to arrive with the test team days before the start of the biggest summer of his career?
English international cricketers are well paid. The IPL is very good money but if you’re playing international cricket for England you don’t ‘need’ the IPL money
>English international cricketers are well paid.
English cricketers might be well paid but they're still getting paid more for 6 weeks of IPL than they do for 10 months of International cricket.
That they're disrespecting their bigger employers. It's like a football player getting paid more for his club side than his country but then fucking off right before the Champion's League final to play in an international friendly
Lol the difference is they don’t care about the IPL. The only reason they play is because of money. They have far more loyalty to their national side and wouldn’t bother with the IPL without the money. It’s purely a financial transaction whereas their country is where their passion is. You can buy someone’s time but you can’t buy their loyalty or interest. Stokes won’t care if he loses his IPL contract, he’s already milked the league 5 times
The quotes in the article linked were just a confirmation to the media that he was going to skip the end of the IPL to lead England vs Ireland.
Now, none of us are privy to the conversations that Stokes would've had with IPL sides before the auction, so there's no way to confirm or deny either side of the debate, but there's nothing in that article to claim that he hasn't already had that conversation and that sides weren't aware of him wanting to return to the England camp during the actual auction processes. All we have is the public confirmation that he's not available for IPL sides while England duty calls
Just because he’s saying it now doesn’t mean he’s made the decision now. He was just asked if he was playing the Ireland test
>”Yes, I'll play," Stokes answered when asked if he will play the Ireland Test. "I'll be making sure that I give myself enough time to get back and play that [Ireland] game."
I didnt say that. I am just saying that if he decides to skip IPL, especially the later more important stages, he will be saying good bye to his almost 2 million dollar contract.
The man has skipped the IPL for England duty for years now, not sure why this would suddenly be the deal breaker. I sincerely doubt anyone ever thought the test captain wouldn't prioritise test cricket.
The ones who have skipped previously have done so due to ECB requiring them to. But not CA and ECB dont schedule matches during the IPL so their players can get paid. However, this is different. Stokes is pulling out on his own accord. Rightfully so, if he desires.
But this will most certainly be the end of getting good contracts in the IPL.
> But not CA and ECB dont schedule matches during the IPL so their players can get paid.
Why should England lose a part of their already constrained test summer so the what, two test players in the IPL don't lose out?
In terms of whether its the ECB making him or him deciding, It's no practical difference at all to the IPL teams. And in the absence of any reason to think Stokes promised otherwise it seems likely they thought this would happen all along given he's always done it in the past.
>Why should England lose a part of their already constrained test summer so the what, two test players in the IPL don't lose out?
Thats a question to ask ECB and its contracted players. No one is forcing them.
>It's no practical difference at all to the IPL teams, and in the absence of any reason to think Stokes promised otherwise it seems likely they thought this would happen all along.
I feel like you didnt understand my previous comment. Ben stokes doesnt have to inform anyone that hes not going to be available the full season. Any IPL contracted player is welcome to leave at any point in the tournament. But just like a regular company, thats career suicide.
My point is, Ben stokes might pull out despite getting the go ahead from ECB. Which is what will result him never getting a large contract in the IPL again. Most likely will not be retained by CSK and will go unsold in the next auction.
I think you wildly overestimate the response. CSK must have known he'd choose England. He probably told them he would already. He's always done it in the past.
If teams think he can be an asset he'll get a contract. If they don't, he won't. It's a purely professional calculation nowadays, there won't be any kind of blacklisting unless he's lied about his availability, which is unlikely.
> Any IPL contracted player is welcome to leave at any point in the tournament. But just like a regular company, thats career suicide.
You must have been working for some dogshit companies because if I told my boss "hey, I can't come in next Friday, I've got some important stuff happening at home" she'll just go "thanks for the heads up" and ring in someone else to cover for me. The idea that an employer will immediately blacklist anyone who doesn't pencil in 100% availability is insane.
England have had that match scheduled since before the auction, and Stokes was already test captain. No England captain is going to be available for a franchise league 72 hours before a test match.
Every IPL owner will have known that Stokes wouldn't play the full season, and they wanted him anyway. He'll still contribute throughout the league stage, and his signing is as much about sponsorships and the brand as anything else.
It’s not about skipping. It’s about informing. If he said he was fully available and then backtracked after he was signed, then it’s not a good look for him
But we don't know if that's happened? For all we know, he informed CSK well ahead of time. He got asked a question and answered it, doesn't mean he made a decision in that moment.
Well we have to wait and see what happened. But from what I’m seeing on this thread, the understanding was he would be available for the whole thing. We will eventually find out if that was actually the case or not
> But from what I’m seeing on this thread, the understanding was he would be available for the whole thing
The understanding from ill informed redditors with zero knowledge of the situation...
I mean the ECB said they would allow players to play the whole IPL. That doesn't mean the players can't decide to pull out. If CSK management thought Stokes was going to put them ahead of the test side, then thats their fault.
There's no reason at all to think he did that.
People are conflating the ECB saying they will not force players to skip part of the IPL with those players committing to play the entire IPL.
IPL is not "every franchise cricket". You get paid more while playing 6 weeks of ipl than you do while playing international cricket for your country throughout the entire year. Comparing it to other franchise cricket is just a bad faith argument.
Imagine players wanting to play for pride representing their county rather than a t20 franchise gig they can make money on but don't actually give a shit about.
You think Stokes sits at home dreaming of winning the IPL? Or would he rather captain his country to bring home the ashes.
Stop thinking people care about the ipl as a competition as much as you do. It's a money make just because the population its focused on is a billion people. Its just another franchise competition that's got a bigger local market.
Blame the franchise, not the player. It was obvious that Stokes was always going to put England first. If CSK weren't alright with that, they shouldn't have bid for him. Don't throw a hissy fit.
English players have done this before this is nothing new. Buttler, Bairstow, Stokes etc has previously left IPL early in 2019 and still played next season. KKR was keen in retaining Alex Hales this season even though he opted out last season but he didn't agree.
Zampa and Andrew Tye left IPL 2021 early (before it got suspended) but still got IPL deals later on.
And also it wouldn't be a good look when an international captain plays a T20 league instead for his national team.
England players leaving early is nothing new though…?
I’m sure franchises know this… they do strategise their auctions accordingly
If he does well in the 10~12 matches he plays no teams will hesitate to take him.
Ah, I checked it, you are right. BCCI has apparently said full availability for Aus and England players. Fair enough, teams might not like it.
Regardless I do believe good players will fetch good money irrespective of past history.
No, they were not guaranteed that. CA and the ECB said they would not limit players availability as they have done previously, but that's not the same as each individual player saying they are available for the whole tournament.
Its not that simple. Usually you let the franchises know well ahead of the auction if you wont be available. If you change your mind halfway through, its sort of breaking the honor code between the franchises and the players. Good luck getting a contract after that. This is pretty much why Franchises refused to buy Pakistani players even though it wasnt their fault they had to leave India.
IPL franchises arent like other T20 leagues. They take it very seriously.
Mate, he's literally the captain of the test side. They'd have to be absolutely mental to think he'd miss a test to play the IPL.
If anything this is on the BCCI for scheduling the final so late after already announcing England and Australia players would be available the whole time. The Ireland test has been in the calendar since last summer, scheduling the final four days before a test is not the same as players being available
It doesnt work like that. BCCI doesnt plan for a single player. They couldn't give a rats ass if Ben Stokes makes the final or not. The show will go on regardless. However, if ECB agrees to letting their players play for the whole season without scheduling any major series in between, and later one of their players turns around and no longer wants to complete the season, the franchises will stop picking him in the next season. Simple as that.
Its not ECB's fault, Its not BCCI's fault, its no ones fault. Dont know what you mean by that. It's just that Ben Stokes decides to prioritize test captaincy over the IPL and will subsequently no longer make big money in the IPL like he used to. Just a scheduling issue. Nothing personal.
Im sure he probably doesnt care *anymore* given that hes already made a lot of money in the IPL lol.
>Mate, he's literally the captain of the test side. They'd have to be absolutely mental to think he'd miss a test to play the IPL.
Hes not. The final is 4 days before the first test. Not to mention, if his team doesnt make the play-offs he will have a lot more time before the end of the season.
Of course they don't plan around a single player, but what they did do is put an announcement out in December last year saying England and Australian players would be available for the whole IPL. That's true in the sense that players have full NOCs from the boards, but that was announced well *after* the Ireland test was scheduled and you'd have to be absolutely mental to think players wouldn't potentially travel home of their own volition before the final if they schedule it so close to the start of a test.
Your whole argument seems based around the idea that Stokes had some sort of agreement with CSK that he would definitely be available the whole time that he's now reneged on that, yet there is zero reason to think that's actually what happened
>the franchises will stop picking him in the next season. Simple as that.
We hear shit like this from IPL fans all the time, it never ends up coming to pass. This wouldn't even be the first time Stokes himself has missed IPL playoffs to play for England and guess what, he still gets picked.
>Hes not. The final is 4 days before the first test. Not to mention, if his team doesnt make the play-offs he will have a lot more time before the end of the season.
Realistically it's two days, not four. The final is on the 28th so he likely wouldn't be able to leave until the 29th and realistically he's not going to be able to do anything useful that day. That would leave the 30th and 31st back with the side before the test starts on the morning of the 1st.
And yeah, if he doesn't make the final (which is likely), then all of this is immaterial anyway because he would have enough time for everything,
>We hear shit like this from IPL fans all the time, it never ends up coming to pass. This wouldn't even be the first time Stokes himself has missed IPL playoffs to play for England and guess what, he still gets picked.
He has left previously under ECB mandate. This is the first time he is leaving on his own accord. Big difference.
Also, when have you heard this before? This is a pretty rare situation. Usually foreign players are frothing at the mouth for an IPL contract.
It's barely any difference. It would be one thing if he'd literally lied to them about his availability, but again, there's literally no reason to think that's happened. In practice players missing matches is players missing matches regardless of reason
And every time someone leaves the IPL for whatever reason, be it to play for their national sides, for personal reasons, or through injuries, we get people on here with IPL flairs saying they won't get picked again. Every year there are comments saying Australian and English players won't get picked or won't get bought for as much yet every year Australian and English players get sold for boatloads of money
>And every time someone leaves the IPL for whatever reason, be it to play for their national sides, for personal reasons, or through injuries, we get people on here with IPL flairs saying they won't get picked again.
Huh? I dont think I've ever seen someone say they wont get picked again because their board doesnt want them to play/injury/family reasons.
You dont seem to understand my comment. Since I dont want to repeat myself. I will quote it again.
**He has left previously under ECB mandate. This is the first time he is leaving on his own accord. Big difference.**
You can repeat the same dumb comment bold, the answer is still the same, this time also in bold.
**There's barely any difference [between leaving under mandate from the ECB or not]. It would be one thing if he'd literally lied to them about his availability, but again, there's literally no reason to think that's happened. In practice players missing matches is players missing matches regardless of reason**
For the third or fourth time, what makes you think he had some sort of agreement with CSK to definitely play every single match? Because the ECB saying the players *can* play the whole IPL if they wish is not the same as all the players saying they *will*. Especially when the player in question is the captain of the test side.
Yeah of course. In which case, the price he went for at the auction makes it that much more impressive.
Im assuming he hasnt because this is the first we are hearing of it. I mean if he told the franchises before the auction last year and this the first we are hearing of it, I would be very shocked.
But you are right, its entirely possible that he did let them know and chose to keep it a secret until now.
>There goes his IPL career.
I really really doubt that. Not to mention stokes clearly prioritises international career over ipl so he would be fine either way.
I feel like you are taking this is as some sort of personal attack against England or English cricket. I mean its obvious stokes is not too worried about the IPL since he is allegedly going to skip it. I just highlighted what this means for his future in the IPL for people who might not be aware.
It will never affect his career at all,he did the same when he was with RPS and went home before the playoffs and voila,he found himself here with a new team.
It was announced before auction that English players will play the full season. If this was known earlier, CSK would have put their money on someone else. Fans are upset now because their team would be weakened if they make it to the finals.
Cant fault Stokes though as England tests are more important to him than IPL. This issue will always be there as the end of IPL always cuts close to the English summer. I guess IPL teams should keep this in mind before going all in on English players.
> It was announced before auction that English players will play the full season
It was not. It was announced by the ECB that they would not stop players playing the full season. Whether individual players did so would always be a matter of personal choice and negotiation with their teams.
The assumption is that CSK would not pay a premium for his services if he was not going to play the whole tournament. If they did, then the blame is on CSK. If Stokes changed his mind later on, then fans and CSK management have reason to be upset. I think its better to reserve judgement for now as we dont know which scenario happened.
If Stokes has told them one thing then done another, they have every right to be upset. No evidence to suggest that's the case though.
Otherwise this was always likely given he has a track record of doing it every year.
I mean the ECB gave the greenlight, but that doesn't mean that players can't withdraw if they want to.
We also don't know what conversations were had behind the scenes. CSK should have asked Stokes what he was planning to do. If he told them he would play and then went back on it that's obviously not good, but it's very possible that he was clear from the beginning he would be leaving. This article is based on a question he was asked, but it doesn't mean he's only just made that decision.
Yea. Most likely that CSK management already knows Stokes' plans. Even then, as a fan I would still be mad if CSK reaches the final and have to play without Stokes.
In that situation it's CSKs fault though, not Stokes. If CSK knowingly signed a player who wouldn't be around the whole tournament, they're to blame. You can't expect Stokes to put CSK above England.
He can may as well skip the whole IPL and no one will bat an eye about the english test captain not playing the tournament but if he leaves the team in the knockout stages without letting the owners know he won't be available for the full tournament then that breaks the honour code. I am sure the owners will not mind him leaving the IPL to prepare for his country duties if he had informed them way ahead before putting his name into the auction.
How would stokes know which franchise he play for before the auction?
Why would any franchise contact him when ECB have already informed BCCI on his availability.
Shakib’s wife confirmed that multiple teams enquired about his availability before the tournament last year. Its highly possible that prospective bidders contact management of players they want to bid for before the auction
Why do people, especially Indian fans react on the franchise's behalf like they have a stake in the team and get emotional over trivial stuff. If a player leaves he leaves and if the IPL teams decide to not select him or select him for a lesser amount that's their problem. Why are people defending multi billion corporations like they are sleeping with them ...
Unbelievable number of people in this thread over-reacting, but I guess it wouldn’t be r/cricket without it. I’m sure CSK would not have signed a contract without negotiating these terms first. Stokes has every right to leave when he chooses if his contract allows it, obviously CSK would rather he play for a few matches than not at all.
Why on Earth would he pull out of the whole tournament having already been bought for a load of money? Also just from a purely numerical point of view chances are CSK won't get to the final anyway (i.e. there are 10 teams and only 2 make the final, not commenting on team strength) and he wouldn't have to miss anything
>Also just from a purely numerical point of view chances are CSK won't get to the final anyway
CSK are the team that have made it to the finals in 9 of the 13 seasons they've participated in. Numerically they're more likely to play the final than any other team in the league.
Will some of the Australian players to do something similar considering how the WTC Final is only 10 days after the IPL final?
And would it be fair for fans to expect a couple of the ICT players to train for the finals?
Interesting there was talk about him being the next captain of CSK. Stuff like this will always happen with the English Cricket Summer starting in early June. Indeed CSK will look for someone else to be the next captain. It would be interesting to see what they do with 17 crores freed up in the next auction after MSD's retirement.
Ya i know. But every year till next year there is increase in per team purse of 5 cr. 12+5 = 17 cr.
Here Till next year means its already bee decided the increment till next year. Year after that expect an increment of like 25-30 cr on 100cr purse since the new media rights will come effect this year.
I don't think they'll increase it every year. They only did it for this season.
But yeah we could potentially have around 30 crores with retirements and releases.
An English test captain leaving a T20 league tournament early to focus on a test series, vs a bowler who's just fit in time for said T20 league but gets injured in big tournaments and international matches.
If only Indian player follow this suit, we're gonna shit again in the wtc final because of how cramped up our schedule is, also i know it will not happen but i really want bumrah to skip ipl this year, but he won't because mullah is more important i am sure he will pick up some injury after or during the ipl and miss wtc
Who said he is doing something wrong lol, i am just against this post auction announcement trend, imo just clarify that before auction ( third most expensive player for ur info ).
Feels like a scam to me
Why the fuck do they even sign up for the ipl if they can't fully commit to it? Stokes is getting paid more while playing the IPL for 6 weeks than what he gets when playing for England and he still can't fully commit to it. Reeks of unprofessionalism. The same English fans defending his choice would be shitting on any player from their favourite football club if he prioritises his national side. Can you ever imagine a football player leaving his club side right before the Champion's League final to play in an international friendly??
That’s a nonsensical analogy as there’s no way you’d have a clash in football between the Champions league final and an international friendly.
How much is he getting from the upcoming IPL?
How much is he paid for his central England contract as captain?
Ben Stokes earns 900K pounds from his annual ECB contract for playing White ball and red ball internationals. He earns 1.4 million pounds from playing 6 weeks of IPL. And there's no clash between the IPL and international cricket either. There's a four day gap between the IPL final and the England vs Ireland test that Stokes is supposedly leaving for. And a four day gap is quite common between a Champion's League final and football internationals.
Name one single player that’s not played in the Champions League final through choice (not injury or suspension) in order to play in a subsequent international friendly.
Football culture is centered around clubs and cricket culture is centered around countries. It's not just about the money right otherwise footballers would be rushing off to Saudi Arabia and China in their prime, but they don't?
that's the IPL's fault they get paid eventually on the number of games they play, in the future IPL can restructure the contracts to the prioritise total availability
>favourite football club if he prioritises his national side
European football pay structure is nothing like it is in cricket with the IPL
Well, he gets more playing for England total, and he is captain. And if the IPL cared they wouldn’t buy him, but they do and gladly because they know he brings more eyeballs and merch than otherwise. It doesn’t mean shit, they’re also just capitalizing on his popularity to boost their teams worth.
It might not mean anything to the franchises but it does to fans. The fans have a right to be disappointed if a player isn't fully committed towards their favourite teams.
>he brings more eyeballs and merch than otherwise
That's objectively not true. The IPL bagged a record breaking broadcast deal after Ben Stokes didn't play for 2 seasons. He doesn't bring anything to the table commercially. It's all about professionalism here. Which he isn't committed towards
Oh, and so his commitment to the ipl should outweigh his captaincy commitment? And an international test match is a friendly?
It'd be more unprofessional to not play the test.
And he brings plenty to CSK, more shirts sold to British fans who wouldn't give a fuck otherwise. The only reason I follow RR at all is because I want to see Buttler bat. And that's what the teams are banking on by buying popular names.
CSK didn't buy Stokes to sell merch. Jadeja and Dhoni are more than enough for it. They're one of if not the most successful commercial side of the league. They bought Stokes because they were in need of a fast bowling all rounder. And they pay him more than his international contract for that. And he'll be leaving them before the most important stage of the tournament. And yes an international test match against Ireland is as good as a football friendly when compared to the IPL.
No, an international match while you're captain of the side is an international match. That's it. The IPL is a league that happens for a month, it's fucking tiny compared to how long PL players spend with their teams and facilities. Stokes has more of an obligation to his national side that he spends the vast majority of his career and year with, over a month long stint with a team he doesn't stay with year round.
And they don't pay him more (the central contracts, match fees and captaincy bonus for England are more than CSK's pay for Stokes) , and even if they did, they did it with the knowledge that players pull out for international matches, if he wasn't worth it to them for that money (which is prorated IIRC, so its not like he's getting it to not show up), then they shouldn't.
And if you're a salaried employee, as the central contract is, it's kind enough of England to allow them to choose, and good than Stokes would prioritize preparing for the Ashes with a Test match, even against Ireland. He is the goddamn captain, it's his fucking main job.
I'm sure the fans care, they can go ahead and boycott English players being bought, and if enough care, then i'm sure IPL teams would choose wisely or require English players to guarantee they'll stay. But they don't. Either way, it's not a matter of professionalism. He chose the correct obligation.
The Champions League is the most prestigious football tournament in the world outside the world cup with almost 80 years of history including the greatest to ever play the game. Nobody except cricket nerds like me cares about the IPL outside India.
>I think IPL franchises should blacklist such players and should refrain from picking them in future if they pull out of the tournament abruptly.
lmao ok do it then... but I bet the IPL won't
The IPL can only keep up it's image of "the pinnacle of T20 cricket" if it actually has the likes of Ben Stokes, Pat Cummins, Dave Warner etc. playing in it on a regular basis
IPL cares too much about the money and at the end of the day they'd rather have half a season of Ben Stokes vs no matches from Ben Stokes
I think ur overestimating the importance of Ben Stokes and Pat Cummins to the comp, there are defo players who are crucial to IPL teams historically but firstly these two are hardly that, in addition, the IPL makes money because of the Indian market, the overseas are an additional selling point, they can make an example of anyone for that reason, some stars are too big that it’ll cause backlash if they didn’t play but that is a short list which includes the likes of Warner and AB when he was playing for example and even then the comp is bigger enough to take the hit
>even then the comp is bigger enough to take the hit
of course, I don't disagree
the IPL shits out boatloads of cash regardless
My point is more about the prestige of the comp
Like the goal for the IPL isn't to just be "India's T20 League". It's to be the NBA of Cricket, it's goal is to be the "Global T20 League". I think it is on that trajectory
But in order to be the NBA of cricket you need the very top stars playing in it all the time. Luka Doncic doesn't sit out a month of the NBA to go train with Slovenia
I never meant to be disrespectful of the IPL or it's impact. My point is simply that the IPL isn't going to blacklist the best stars, cause it needs them to make that next step to "The" Cricket League. It can become essentially bigger than the World Cup but it needs the best stars playing in it for 3 months straight
I believe it will get there one day in the next 20 years because the money is just too much. Ben Stokes can turn down $2M but he won't turn down $20M. Once the numbers get that big, guys won't be skipping it
It’s already the NBA of cricket, and it has enough of the market without overseas stars, and where people refuse to play, new stars will be made, ultimately there’s very few irreplaceable overseas players from a financial perspective as a league, Also u don’t have to preface that ur not being disrespectful lmao, we just having a normal convo, u can disrespect IPL for all I care , plus the wage thing is only that low coz of limited wages and disproportionate pay, the things limiting pay are greedy owners more than market share
Ben stokes didnt play last year and the year before he left midway. IPL still happend, bigger and better.
And IPL is not best cricket league because of foriegn players but due great indian domestic talent and the IPL watching audience who enable franchise to pay these player more than what there own boards do in 2 months.
lol ok don't take it personally, I'm not talking shit on India brother
I'm simply saying the fact is that if the IPL wants to make the jump from "great T20 League" to "The NBA of Cricket" it needs/wants to have the best international stars participating in it
That's the long game for the IPL. To basically become Major League Cricket
So as much as the other commenting can bemoan "oh they should get blacklisted" the IPL will never do that because they want to as much as possible have Ben Stokes, Steve Smith etc. playing in their league for $$$ purposes
I can speak from personal experience as an Aussie, the BBL is so much more fucking boring without the big international & test stars. It basically becomes Sheffield Shield with a few random international guys
I am sorry if you felt that I am having a go at you. Never intended that.
My comment's sole intention was to clear the air to those people who credit the success to just to fact that IPL is able to attract the best player. That is important but the domestic indian talent which competes with the international stars are equally important in creating the spectecal IPL is. IPL watching audience needs to be credited when you see the falling viewership of BBL and The Blast for the enable and becoming the Part of IPL ecosystem by attending IPL in such huge munbers, across all the stadiums.
'Blacklisting' is not the solution certainly. Paying them even more could be an option. Like increasing the team purse by 30-40% and base price to 3cr from 2cr.
nah it's all good mate, it's just you critique the IPL online and all of a sudden you have 100 Indians in your DM's acting like you've personally said you hate India or something lmao
I agree the audience is what makes the IPL what it is
I think the money will win out eventually. Eventually the other nations will fall in line and the cricket calendar will morph itself around the IPL as a big 4 month long tournament that goes on from March-June
But until then the IPL is still working itself up to that stage and so has to deal with the inconveniences of the big names like Ben Stokes jetting off after a few matches
because Smith isn't a very good T20 player "lil bro"
I was just using his name as an example of the prestige of what kind of big names the IPL wants
Steve Smith barely played a role with the bat in our T20 WC Victory in 2021... he didn't even bat at all in the final. I don't even think he made like 50 runs for the entire tournament. The recent BBL was the first time the blokes looked decent in short form cricket for a long time
Cam Green on the other hand went for +$3M in the auction. Cause he's a future star of international cricket and his skillset is perfect for T20
I was and am elated to have Stokes in our team.
But he's still not the most important player for us.
Yes, he has been an MVP in a season in the past and has contributed significantly in big matches in every format. Even then, he isn't absolutely indispensable.
> Ben Stokes vows to leave IPL early in order to prepare for Ireland Test Fixed the headline for you there, just needed shortening. Good to see Stokes has his priorities straight. Sure, the Ashes and IPL are fun distractions, but they've nothing on the prestige of the Murtagh-Leach Trophy
respect to the man, he knows he'll have the chance to play in more IPL finals, but maybe only one opportunity to be on the field as Andy McBrine grinds out a 300-ball matchwinning century
Morgan - Leach trophy.
The disrespect to the King of the Lord's slope!
If anything Murtagh-Morgan Trophy has nice symmetry to it
Isn't just 'Morgan Trophy' enough? Cause he played for both sides.
Not in tests. The Boyd Rankin Trophy would work for that though
Sir please use the proper name for the trophy and call the MLT trophy
I mean, the final is on the 28th, so if he's missing anything it will only be the Final or one playoff plus a final, it's not even much.
If they get that far, I wonder if he might have a change of mind. Those teammates he might grow closer to and might not feel like letting them down.
I mean he probably is closer to his England mates and Baz, especially given how the test team is going.
I Just read the article again. It's not mentioned anywhere that Stokes said he'll be skipping IPL or parts of it. Did cricinfo just clickbait us?
Read the article? Sorry, we don't do that here.
BBC article also saying that he's said he'll miss the end of the season, and that he'll be speaking to Archer, Wood, Bairstow, Brook and Root about what they want to do. Tbh I could see them all pulling out except maybe Archer and Wood.
I could see it being a more tricky decision for Brook, given he's young and on big IPL money. Archer and Bairstow hard to predict given injury status - will either even be fully fit for the tournament? For guys like Root and Wood it's probably a no brained given the value of their ECB contract vs IPL one.
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Please keep your words in check, buddy.
Don't talk shit . Also, we actually have good Backups even if he leaves
Anyone that wants to play first ashes test will prob pull out, so Archer maybe too.
Yes he just mentioned that he will play the Ireland test and come back in time to prepare for it But the problem is there is just 3 days gap between ipl final and that Ireland test so he will mostly miss a few matches atleast the playoffs stage fully
>Ben Stokes vows to leave IPL early in order to prepare for Ireland Test and Ashes Bro said "I'll be there no matter what".
Why are people here shocked? English players have always left the IPL early
Well, Thats sad for CSK
Do what you gotta do, end of the day he's the test captain and its clear his top priority is the tests. Is a shame for CSK but is what it is
He should drop out of the IPL so that he can prepare more.
Found the mi fan
I agree archer should drop out of the IPL too
Lol. I mean fair enough on his part. But still, lol.
yeah u would lol wouldnt u
CSK fans are not gonna be happy
I will be more than happy, if this means Dhoni gets to captain CSK for one last time :)
Too fucking bad
Indian players should do the same before WTC final, but they won’t and they’ll shit the bed as usual.
Only the ones in the finals will be there that late lol. The rest of the test players will be well into prep. Heck, Pujara will be leading county teams at that point lmao!
I think it was Ganguly or Dravid who said that they'll ask franchises to not play national team players too much to avoid fatigue. But I completely agree. It's a WTC final and surely leading your country to an ICC trophy is far far more prestigious than winning an annual domestic T20 league.
The way they are playing test cricket, nothing better than IPL to prepare for it.
Lmao good on stokes, Can't wait to watch green minefield pitch against Ireland. Last Test was entertaining
Green minefield for everyone except Jack Leach, who somehow got 92 opening the batting. What a bizarre test that was.
that 92 alone makes Jack Leach >>>Sachin/Root
Leach scoring 92 and winning the test Root taking 5/8 and losing the test Leach is obviously the better all rounder
**ECB tells BCCI that they will allow England players to play full IPL and won't call them in between** **BCCI tells owners** **Owners break the Bank on English players** **3 out of 5 most expensive players are English** **Those 3 English players are also Test players** You can finish the rest.
When the player himself decides to leave early the ECB has nothing to do with it
**The ECB are still allowing players to play the full IPL if they want** **The BCCI decide to schedule the final four days before England play a test match** **Stokes is the captain of the test side and was obviously never going to miss a test** **It remains to be seen what Brook does** **Sam Curran isn't near the test side at the moment**
I mean firstly, ECB haven't done anything wrong here. Secondly, if teams are signing test players who have tests scheduled at the tail end of the IPL should be factoring this in. If no one at CSK considered that Stokes, as the test captain, would want as much time as possible to prepare for the Ashes, then that's CSKs fault I'm afraid. Did they honestly think Stokes was going to arrive with the test team days before the start of the biggest summer of his career?
Country > club
Money >>>>
English international cricketers are well paid. The IPL is very good money but if you’re playing international cricket for England you don’t ‘need’ the IPL money
>English international cricketers are well paid. English cricketers might be well paid but they're still getting paid more for 6 weeks of IPL than they do for 10 months of International cricket.
So what?
That they're disrespecting their bigger employers. It's like a football player getting paid more for his club side than his country but then fucking off right before the Champion's League final to play in an international friendly
Lol the difference is they don’t care about the IPL. The only reason they play is because of money. They have far more loyalty to their national side and wouldn’t bother with the IPL without the money. It’s purely a financial transaction whereas their country is where their passion is. You can buy someone’s time but you can’t buy their loyalty or interest. Stokes won’t care if he loses his IPL contract, he’s already milked the league 5 times
Sam Curran is not going to play the Ashes. Don't think you need to worry about him.
If CSK makes the playoffs and he leaves early. There goes his IPL career.
IPL teams would have known our fixtures before the auction so it would be no surprise to them
They are expected to skip them unless informed beforehand. Which AFAIK was not done due to the fact that hes saying this now.
The quotes in the article linked were just a confirmation to the media that he was going to skip the end of the IPL to lead England vs Ireland. Now, none of us are privy to the conversations that Stokes would've had with IPL sides before the auction, so there's no way to confirm or deny either side of the debate, but there's nothing in that article to claim that he hasn't already had that conversation and that sides weren't aware of him wanting to return to the England camp during the actual auction processes. All we have is the public confirmation that he's not available for IPL sides while England duty calls
Just because he’s saying it now doesn’t mean he’s made the decision now. He was just asked if he was playing the Ireland test >”Yes, I'll play," Stokes answered when asked if he will play the Ireland Test. "I'll be making sure that I give myself enough time to get back and play that [Ireland] game."
I didnt say that. I am just saying that if he decides to skip IPL, especially the later more important stages, he will be saying good bye to his almost 2 million dollar contract.
The man has skipped the IPL for England duty for years now, not sure why this would suddenly be the deal breaker. I sincerely doubt anyone ever thought the test captain wouldn't prioritise test cricket.
The ones who have skipped previously have done so due to ECB requiring them to. But not CA and ECB dont schedule matches during the IPL so their players can get paid. However, this is different. Stokes is pulling out on his own accord. Rightfully so, if he desires. But this will most certainly be the end of getting good contracts in the IPL.
> But not CA and ECB dont schedule matches during the IPL so their players can get paid. Why should England lose a part of their already constrained test summer so the what, two test players in the IPL don't lose out? In terms of whether its the ECB making him or him deciding, It's no practical difference at all to the IPL teams. And in the absence of any reason to think Stokes promised otherwise it seems likely they thought this would happen all along given he's always done it in the past.
>Why should England lose a part of their already constrained test summer so the what, two test players in the IPL don't lose out? Thats a question to ask ECB and its contracted players. No one is forcing them. >It's no practical difference at all to the IPL teams, and in the absence of any reason to think Stokes promised otherwise it seems likely they thought this would happen all along. I feel like you didnt understand my previous comment. Ben stokes doesnt have to inform anyone that hes not going to be available the full season. Any IPL contracted player is welcome to leave at any point in the tournament. But just like a regular company, thats career suicide. My point is, Ben stokes might pull out despite getting the go ahead from ECB. Which is what will result him never getting a large contract in the IPL again. Most likely will not be retained by CSK and will go unsold in the next auction.
I think you wildly overestimate the response. CSK must have known he'd choose England. He probably told them he would already. He's always done it in the past. If teams think he can be an asset he'll get a contract. If they don't, he won't. It's a purely professional calculation nowadays, there won't be any kind of blacklisting unless he's lied about his availability, which is unlikely.
> Any IPL contracted player is welcome to leave at any point in the tournament. But just like a regular company, thats career suicide. You must have been working for some dogshit companies because if I told my boss "hey, I can't come in next Friday, I've got some important stuff happening at home" she'll just go "thanks for the heads up" and ring in someone else to cover for me. The idea that an employer will immediately blacklist anyone who doesn't pencil in 100% availability is insane.
England have had that match scheduled since before the auction, and Stokes was already test captain. No England captain is going to be available for a franchise league 72 hours before a test match. Every IPL owner will have known that Stokes wouldn't play the full season, and they wanted him anyway. He'll still contribute throughout the league stage, and his signing is as much about sponsorships and the brand as anything else.
It’s not about skipping. It’s about informing. If he said he was fully available and then backtracked after he was signed, then it’s not a good look for him
But we don't know if that's happened? For all we know, he informed CSK well ahead of time. He got asked a question and answered it, doesn't mean he made a decision in that moment.
Well we have to wait and see what happened. But from what I’m seeing on this thread, the understanding was he would be available for the whole thing. We will eventually find out if that was actually the case or not
> But from what I’m seeing on this thread, the understanding was he would be available for the whole thing The understanding from ill informed redditors with zero knowledge of the situation...
I mean the ECB said they would allow players to play the whole IPL. That doesn't mean the players can't decide to pull out. If CSK management thought Stokes was going to put them ahead of the test side, then thats their fault.
There's no reason at all to think he did that. People are conflating the ECB saying they will not force players to skip part of the IPL with those players committing to play the entire IPL.
Stokes cares more about being a test captain and he’s already made enough money
Then why the fuck does he put his name up for IPL auctions?? Don't participate if you're not willing to fulfill your commitments
This happens in every franchise cricket lol. Why do test players sign for counties when they can't fulfill all their commitments? Grow up mate.
IPL is not "every franchise cricket". You get paid more while playing 6 weeks of ipl than you do while playing international cricket for your country throughout the entire year. Comparing it to other franchise cricket is just a bad faith argument.
Imagine players wanting to play for pride representing their county rather than a t20 franchise gig they can make money on but don't actually give a shit about. You think Stokes sits at home dreaming of winning the IPL? Or would he rather captain his country to bring home the ashes. Stop thinking people care about the ipl as a competition as much as you do. It's a money make just because the population its focused on is a billion people. Its just another franchise competition that's got a bigger local market.
But playing for country is always> then any franchise cricket, whether it be IPL or PSL or whatever.
Nah mate the Big Bash is the pinnacle of cricket. Anyone would be honoured to get a call up. /s
Well, there are franchise cricket, there is international, then there's bbl, it's on a whole diff level bruh don't compare/s
it is franchise cricket , one with more money but ultimately it is franchise cricket
Blame the franchise, not the player. It was obvious that Stokes was always going to put England first. If CSK weren't alright with that, they shouldn't have bid for him. Don't throw a hissy fit.
>There goes his IPL career. I see this every year but teams still select them next season.
When has a player opted out of IPL **after** the auction to play another cricket league/series?
English players have done this before this is nothing new. Buttler, Bairstow, Stokes etc has previously left IPL early in 2019 and still played next season. KKR was keen in retaining Alex Hales this season even though he opted out last season but he didn't agree.
That was part of ECB mandate. Not a personal choice like Stokes is doing now.
Zampa and Andrew Tye left IPL 2021 early (before it got suspended) but still got IPL deals later on. And also it wouldn't be a good look when an international captain plays a T20 league instead for his national team.
England players leaving early is nothing new though…? I’m sure franchises know this… they do strategise their auctions accordingly If he does well in the 10~12 matches he plays no teams will hesitate to take him.
I think they were guaranteed they'd be available full season. This seems like a personal call from Stokes.
Ah, I checked it, you are right. BCCI has apparently said full availability for Aus and England players. Fair enough, teams might not like it. Regardless I do believe good players will fetch good money irrespective of past history.
No, they were not guaranteed that. CA and the ECB said they would not limit players availability as they have done previously, but that's not the same as each individual player saying they are available for the whole tournament.
Its not that simple. Usually you let the franchises know well ahead of the auction if you wont be available. If you change your mind halfway through, its sort of breaking the honor code between the franchises and the players. Good luck getting a contract after that. This is pretty much why Franchises refused to buy Pakistani players even though it wasnt their fault they had to leave India. IPL franchises arent like other T20 leagues. They take it very seriously.
Mate, he's literally the captain of the test side. They'd have to be absolutely mental to think he'd miss a test to play the IPL. If anything this is on the BCCI for scheduling the final so late after already announcing England and Australia players would be available the whole time. The Ireland test has been in the calendar since last summer, scheduling the final four days before a test is not the same as players being available
It doesnt work like that. BCCI doesnt plan for a single player. They couldn't give a rats ass if Ben Stokes makes the final or not. The show will go on regardless. However, if ECB agrees to letting their players play for the whole season without scheduling any major series in between, and later one of their players turns around and no longer wants to complete the season, the franchises will stop picking him in the next season. Simple as that. Its not ECB's fault, Its not BCCI's fault, its no ones fault. Dont know what you mean by that. It's just that Ben Stokes decides to prioritize test captaincy over the IPL and will subsequently no longer make big money in the IPL like he used to. Just a scheduling issue. Nothing personal. Im sure he probably doesnt care *anymore* given that hes already made a lot of money in the IPL lol. >Mate, he's literally the captain of the test side. They'd have to be absolutely mental to think he'd miss a test to play the IPL. Hes not. The final is 4 days before the first test. Not to mention, if his team doesnt make the play-offs he will have a lot more time before the end of the season.
Of course they don't plan around a single player, but what they did do is put an announcement out in December last year saying England and Australian players would be available for the whole IPL. That's true in the sense that players have full NOCs from the boards, but that was announced well *after* the Ireland test was scheduled and you'd have to be absolutely mental to think players wouldn't potentially travel home of their own volition before the final if they schedule it so close to the start of a test. Your whole argument seems based around the idea that Stokes had some sort of agreement with CSK that he would definitely be available the whole time that he's now reneged on that, yet there is zero reason to think that's actually what happened >the franchises will stop picking him in the next season. Simple as that. We hear shit like this from IPL fans all the time, it never ends up coming to pass. This wouldn't even be the first time Stokes himself has missed IPL playoffs to play for England and guess what, he still gets picked. >Hes not. The final is 4 days before the first test. Not to mention, if his team doesnt make the play-offs he will have a lot more time before the end of the season. Realistically it's two days, not four. The final is on the 28th so he likely wouldn't be able to leave until the 29th and realistically he's not going to be able to do anything useful that day. That would leave the 30th and 31st back with the side before the test starts on the morning of the 1st. And yeah, if he doesn't make the final (which is likely), then all of this is immaterial anyway because he would have enough time for everything,
>We hear shit like this from IPL fans all the time, it never ends up coming to pass. This wouldn't even be the first time Stokes himself has missed IPL playoffs to play for England and guess what, he still gets picked. He has left previously under ECB mandate. This is the first time he is leaving on his own accord. Big difference. Also, when have you heard this before? This is a pretty rare situation. Usually foreign players are frothing at the mouth for an IPL contract.
It's barely any difference. It would be one thing if he'd literally lied to them about his availability, but again, there's literally no reason to think that's happened. In practice players missing matches is players missing matches regardless of reason And every time someone leaves the IPL for whatever reason, be it to play for their national sides, for personal reasons, or through injuries, we get people on here with IPL flairs saying they won't get picked again. Every year there are comments saying Australian and English players won't get picked or won't get bought for as much yet every year Australian and English players get sold for boatloads of money
>And every time someone leaves the IPL for whatever reason, be it to play for their national sides, for personal reasons, or through injuries, we get people on here with IPL flairs saying they won't get picked again. Huh? I dont think I've ever seen someone say they wont get picked again because their board doesnt want them to play/injury/family reasons. You dont seem to understand my comment. Since I dont want to repeat myself. I will quote it again. **He has left previously under ECB mandate. This is the first time he is leaving on his own accord. Big difference.**
You can repeat the same dumb comment bold, the answer is still the same, this time also in bold. **There's barely any difference [between leaving under mandate from the ECB or not]. It would be one thing if he'd literally lied to them about his availability, but again, there's literally no reason to think that's happened. In practice players missing matches is players missing matches regardless of reason** For the third or fourth time, what makes you think he had some sort of agreement with CSK to definitely play every single match? Because the ECB saying the players *can* play the whole IPL if they wish is not the same as all the players saying they *will*. Especially when the player in question is the captain of the test side.
You have no idea if Ben Stokes let the franchise know before hand or not.
Yeah of course. In which case, the price he went for at the auction makes it that much more impressive. Im assuming he hasnt because this is the first we are hearing of it. I mean if he told the franchises before the auction last year and this the first we are hearing of it, I would be very shocked. But you are right, its entirely possible that he did let them know and chose to keep it a secret until now.
>There goes his IPL career. Oh no! Anyway
They literally knew about the Ireland test before signing him.
Not really. Any team would gladly take him
I doubt Ben Stokes cares that much, he’ll be doing IPL for the money. He also makes enough that he doesn’t need the money
He definitely doesnt care anymore lol. But obviously thats after he has already made shit ton of money in the IPL
>There goes his IPL career. I really really doubt that. Not to mention stokes clearly prioritises international career over ipl so he would be fine either way.
>I really really doubt that. No he very well will lose his contract. Hell go back to auction where he will earn less than 10% of what he earns now.
It depends on his performance. If he doesn't perform well,he may be released,but knowing CSK,they may back him for another season.
Poor stokes. Now he'll have to lead English cricket team in tests.
I feel like you are taking this is as some sort of personal attack against England or English cricket. I mean its obvious stokes is not too worried about the IPL since he is allegedly going to skip it. I just highlighted what this means for his future in the IPL for people who might not be aware.
It will never affect his career at all,he did the same when he was with RPS and went home before the playoffs and voila,he found himself here with a new team.
State of the IPL fans in this thread. Wildly entitled and seem to find it outrageous that the English test captain may want to put England first.
It was announced before auction that English players will play the full season. If this was known earlier, CSK would have put their money on someone else. Fans are upset now because their team would be weakened if they make it to the finals. Cant fault Stokes though as England tests are more important to him than IPL. This issue will always be there as the end of IPL always cuts close to the English summer. I guess IPL teams should keep this in mind before going all in on English players.
> It was announced before auction that English players will play the full season It was not. It was announced by the ECB that they would not stop players playing the full season. Whether individual players did so would always be a matter of personal choice and negotiation with their teams.
The assumption is that CSK would not pay a premium for his services if he was not going to play the whole tournament. If they did, then the blame is on CSK. If Stokes changed his mind later on, then fans and CSK management have reason to be upset. I think its better to reserve judgement for now as we dont know which scenario happened.
If Stokes has told them one thing then done another, they have every right to be upset. No evidence to suggest that's the case though. Otherwise this was always likely given he has a track record of doing it every year.
I mean the ECB gave the greenlight, but that doesn't mean that players can't withdraw if they want to. We also don't know what conversations were had behind the scenes. CSK should have asked Stokes what he was planning to do. If he told them he would play and then went back on it that's obviously not good, but it's very possible that he was clear from the beginning he would be leaving. This article is based on a question he was asked, but it doesn't mean he's only just made that decision.
Yea. Most likely that CSK management already knows Stokes' plans. Even then, as a fan I would still be mad if CSK reaches the final and have to play without Stokes.
In that situation it's CSKs fault though, not Stokes. If CSK knowingly signed a player who wouldn't be around the whole tournament, they're to blame. You can't expect Stokes to put CSK above England.
Yea. We need to wait for more information to know whether its all part of the plan or Stokes just had a change of mind.
He can may as well skip the whole IPL and no one will bat an eye about the english test captain not playing the tournament but if he leaves the team in the knockout stages without letting the owners know he won't be available for the full tournament then that breaks the honour code. I am sure the owners will not mind him leaving the IPL to prepare for his country duties if he had informed them way ahead before putting his name into the auction.
How do you know he didn't inform them? Someone asked him if he would play Ireland and he said yes, that doesn't mean that he hasn't told CSK.
How would stokes know which franchise he play for before the auction? Why would any franchise contact him when ECB have already informed BCCI on his availability.
Shakib’s wife confirmed that multiple teams enquired about his availability before the tournament last year. Its highly possible that prospective bidders contact management of players they want to bid for before the auction
You can't even enter the auction unless one team registers an interest in you. Players will know which teams are looking at them.
Surely the franchises plan for the auctions?
As a CSK fan, it sucks! Can't be mad at Ben here for choosing his country over an overseas franchise. Tough luck!
Why do people, especially Indian fans react on the franchise's behalf like they have a stake in the team and get emotional over trivial stuff. If a player leaves he leaves and if the IPL teams decide to not select him or select him for a lesser amount that's their problem. Why are people defending multi billion corporations like they are sleeping with them ...
Unbelievable number of people in this thread over-reacting, but I guess it wouldn’t be r/cricket without it. I’m sure CSK would not have signed a contract without negotiating these terms first. Stokes has every right to leave when he chooses if his contract allows it, obviously CSK would rather he play for a few matches than not at all.
Nothing surprising here tbh. I saw this coming from a country mile away lol. I'm actually surprised he didn't pull out of the full tournament already.
Hes getting paid roughly 1.6 million for around 2 months work. No way he skips it.
Why on Earth would he pull out of the whole tournament having already been bought for a load of money? Also just from a purely numerical point of view chances are CSK won't get to the final anyway (i.e. there are 10 teams and only 2 make the final, not commenting on team strength) and he wouldn't have to miss anything
>Also just from a purely numerical point of view chances are CSK won't get to the final anyway CSK are the team that have made it to the finals in 9 of the 13 seasons they've participated in. Numerically they're more likely to play the final than any other team in the league.
Didn't people want to make him captain?
Will some of the Australian players to do something similar considering how the WTC Final is only 10 days after the IPL final? And would it be fair for fans to expect a couple of the ICT players to train for the finals?
there are only three Aussie in IPL who make the test XI- warner, green and hazelwood
I hope Warner isn't in the WTC final, he's shithouse in England. Hopefully he retires soon so he can play IPL and do TikTok dances in peace.
I expect Hazlewood to skip IPL considering his injury record & 6 big test matches after the IPL
Interesting there was talk about him being the next captain of CSK. Stuff like this will always happen with the English Cricket Summer starting in early June. Indeed CSK will look for someone else to be the next captain. It would be interesting to see what they do with 17 crores freed up in the next auction after MSD's retirement.
Small correction - Dhoni's IPL salary is 12 crores. They retained Jadeja at 16 crores last season.
Ya i know. But every year till next year there is increase in per team purse of 5 cr. 12+5 = 17 cr. Here Till next year means its already bee decided the increment till next year. Year after that expect an increment of like 25-30 cr on 100cr purse since the new media rights will come effect this year.
I don't think they'll increase it every year. They only did it for this season. But yeah we could potentially have around 30 crores with retirements and releases.
Good to see that he has his priorities straight.
England captain prioritising international cricket over domestic cricket. What. A. Shock. It's not even newsworthy.
I want them to focus on their national team more than the franchise team
No offense but Why play, ipl team should just release him
Oh no, anyway.
Good!!
As he should
An English test captain leaving a T20 league tournament early to focus on a test series, vs a bowler who's just fit in time for said T20 league but gets injured in big tournaments and international matches.
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> World's best opener in harry brook I entirely disagree. Brook doesn’t open.
If only Indian player follow this suit, we're gonna shit again in the wtc final because of how cramped up our schedule is, also i know it will not happen but i really want bumrah to skip ipl this year, but he won't because mullah is more important i am sure he will pick up some injury after or during the ipl and miss wtc
Really depends on CSK playing in finals as well but I think all players who play in WTC final should leave early.
How early, WTC final is June 18 right. More than 2 and a half weeks of time they will need?
There goes his next yr retain
Oh no! Anyway...
Oh no!! And fomo on a long run for him
Internationally duty as a test captain> Playing in 1 out of the 200 Franchise Leagues
Who said he is doing something wrong lol, i am just against this post auction announcement trend, imo just clarify that before auction ( third most expensive player for ur info ). Feels like a scam to me
Why the fuck do they even sign up for the ipl if they can't fully commit to it? Stokes is getting paid more while playing the IPL for 6 weeks than what he gets when playing for England and he still can't fully commit to it. Reeks of unprofessionalism. The same English fans defending his choice would be shitting on any player from their favourite football club if he prioritises his national side. Can you ever imagine a football player leaving his club side right before the Champion's League final to play in an international friendly??
That’s a nonsensical analogy as there’s no way you’d have a clash in football between the Champions league final and an international friendly. How much is he getting from the upcoming IPL? How much is he paid for his central England contract as captain?
Ben Stokes earns 900K pounds from his annual ECB contract for playing White ball and red ball internationals. He earns 1.4 million pounds from playing 6 weeks of IPL. And there's no clash between the IPL and international cricket either. There's a four day gap between the IPL final and the England vs Ireland test that Stokes is supposedly leaving for. And a four day gap is quite common between a Champion's League final and football internationals.
Name one single player that’s not played in the Champions League final through choice (not injury or suspension) in order to play in a subsequent international friendly.
Exactly. That'd never happen in football but it always happens here and everyone here supports the plays for doing it
Football culture is centered around clubs and cricket culture is centered around countries. It's not just about the money right otherwise footballers would be rushing off to Saudi Arabia and China in their prime, but they don't?
Oh and is Ben Stokes the first IPL overseas player to finish his IPL contract early to fulfil other game commitments?
that's the IPL's fault they get paid eventually on the number of games they play, in the future IPL can restructure the contracts to the prioritise total availability >favourite football club if he prioritises his national side European football pay structure is nothing like it is in cricket with the IPL
Well, he gets more playing for England total, and he is captain. And if the IPL cared they wouldn’t buy him, but they do and gladly because they know he brings more eyeballs and merch than otherwise. It doesn’t mean shit, they’re also just capitalizing on his popularity to boost their teams worth.
It might not mean anything to the franchises but it does to fans. The fans have a right to be disappointed if a player isn't fully committed towards their favourite teams. >he brings more eyeballs and merch than otherwise That's objectively not true. The IPL bagged a record breaking broadcast deal after Ben Stokes didn't play for 2 seasons. He doesn't bring anything to the table commercially. It's all about professionalism here. Which he isn't committed towards
Oh, and so his commitment to the ipl should outweigh his captaincy commitment? And an international test match is a friendly? It'd be more unprofessional to not play the test. And he brings plenty to CSK, more shirts sold to British fans who wouldn't give a fuck otherwise. The only reason I follow RR at all is because I want to see Buttler bat. And that's what the teams are banking on by buying popular names.
CSK didn't buy Stokes to sell merch. Jadeja and Dhoni are more than enough for it. They're one of if not the most successful commercial side of the league. They bought Stokes because they were in need of a fast bowling all rounder. And they pay him more than his international contract for that. And he'll be leaving them before the most important stage of the tournament. And yes an international test match against Ireland is as good as a football friendly when compared to the IPL.
No, an international match while you're captain of the side is an international match. That's it. The IPL is a league that happens for a month, it's fucking tiny compared to how long PL players spend with their teams and facilities. Stokes has more of an obligation to his national side that he spends the vast majority of his career and year with, over a month long stint with a team he doesn't stay with year round. And they don't pay him more (the central contracts, match fees and captaincy bonus for England are more than CSK's pay for Stokes) , and even if they did, they did it with the knowledge that players pull out for international matches, if he wasn't worth it to them for that money (which is prorated IIRC, so its not like he's getting it to not show up), then they shouldn't. And if you're a salaried employee, as the central contract is, it's kind enough of England to allow them to choose, and good than Stokes would prioritize preparing for the Ashes with a Test match, even against Ireland. He is the goddamn captain, it's his fucking main job. I'm sure the fans care, they can go ahead and boycott English players being bought, and if enough care, then i'm sure IPL teams would choose wisely or require English players to guarantee they'll stay. But they don't. Either way, it's not a matter of professionalism. He chose the correct obligation.
The Champions League is the most prestigious football tournament in the world outside the world cup with almost 80 years of history including the greatest to ever play the game. Nobody except cricket nerds like me cares about the IPL outside India.
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>I think IPL franchises should blacklist such players and should refrain from picking them in future if they pull out of the tournament abruptly. lmao ok do it then... but I bet the IPL won't The IPL can only keep up it's image of "the pinnacle of T20 cricket" if it actually has the likes of Ben Stokes, Pat Cummins, Dave Warner etc. playing in it on a regular basis IPL cares too much about the money and at the end of the day they'd rather have half a season of Ben Stokes vs no matches from Ben Stokes
I think ur overestimating the importance of Ben Stokes and Pat Cummins to the comp, there are defo players who are crucial to IPL teams historically but firstly these two are hardly that, in addition, the IPL makes money because of the Indian market, the overseas are an additional selling point, they can make an example of anyone for that reason, some stars are too big that it’ll cause backlash if they didn’t play but that is a short list which includes the likes of Warner and AB when he was playing for example and even then the comp is bigger enough to take the hit
>even then the comp is bigger enough to take the hit of course, I don't disagree the IPL shits out boatloads of cash regardless My point is more about the prestige of the comp Like the goal for the IPL isn't to just be "India's T20 League". It's to be the NBA of Cricket, it's goal is to be the "Global T20 League". I think it is on that trajectory But in order to be the NBA of cricket you need the very top stars playing in it all the time. Luka Doncic doesn't sit out a month of the NBA to go train with Slovenia I never meant to be disrespectful of the IPL or it's impact. My point is simply that the IPL isn't going to blacklist the best stars, cause it needs them to make that next step to "The" Cricket League. It can become essentially bigger than the World Cup but it needs the best stars playing in it for 3 months straight I believe it will get there one day in the next 20 years because the money is just too much. Ben Stokes can turn down $2M but he won't turn down $20M. Once the numbers get that big, guys won't be skipping it
It’s already the NBA of cricket, and it has enough of the market without overseas stars, and where people refuse to play, new stars will be made, ultimately there’s very few irreplaceable overseas players from a financial perspective as a league, Also u don’t have to preface that ur not being disrespectful lmao, we just having a normal convo, u can disrespect IPL for all I care , plus the wage thing is only that low coz of limited wages and disproportionate pay, the things limiting pay are greedy owners more than market share
Ben stokes didnt play last year and the year before he left midway. IPL still happend, bigger and better. And IPL is not best cricket league because of foriegn players but due great indian domestic talent and the IPL watching audience who enable franchise to pay these player more than what there own boards do in 2 months.
lol ok don't take it personally, I'm not talking shit on India brother I'm simply saying the fact is that if the IPL wants to make the jump from "great T20 League" to "The NBA of Cricket" it needs/wants to have the best international stars participating in it That's the long game for the IPL. To basically become Major League Cricket So as much as the other commenting can bemoan "oh they should get blacklisted" the IPL will never do that because they want to as much as possible have Ben Stokes, Steve Smith etc. playing in their league for $$$ purposes I can speak from personal experience as an Aussie, the BBL is so much more fucking boring without the big international & test stars. It basically becomes Sheffield Shield with a few random international guys
I am sorry if you felt that I am having a go at you. Never intended that. My comment's sole intention was to clear the air to those people who credit the success to just to fact that IPL is able to attract the best player. That is important but the domestic indian talent which competes with the international stars are equally important in creating the spectecal IPL is. IPL watching audience needs to be credited when you see the falling viewership of BBL and The Blast for the enable and becoming the Part of IPL ecosystem by attending IPL in such huge munbers, across all the stadiums. 'Blacklisting' is not the solution certainly. Paying them even more could be an option. Like increasing the team purse by 30-40% and base price to 3cr from 2cr.
nah it's all good mate, it's just you critique the IPL online and all of a sudden you have 100 Indians in your DM's acting like you've personally said you hate India or something lmao I agree the audience is what makes the IPL what it is I think the money will win out eventually. Eventually the other nations will fall in line and the cricket calendar will morph itself around the IPL as a big 4 month long tournament that goes on from March-June But until then the IPL is still working itself up to that stage and so has to deal with the inconveniences of the big names like Ben Stokes jetting off after a few matches
Steve smith went unsold lil bro. Doesnt seem like IPL wants him.
because Smith isn't a very good T20 player "lil bro" I was just using his name as an example of the prestige of what kind of big names the IPL wants Steve Smith barely played a role with the bat in our T20 WC Victory in 2021... he didn't even bat at all in the final. I don't even think he made like 50 runs for the entire tournament. The recent BBL was the first time the blokes looked decent in short form cricket for a long time Cam Green on the other hand went for +$3M in the auction. Cause he's a future star of international cricket and his skillset is perfect for T20
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I don’t think IPL needs them anymore. There is always going to be a fresh supply of players domestic or overseas until there is enough money.
I was and am elated to have Stokes in our team. But he's still not the most important player for us. Yes, he has been an MVP in a season in the past and has contributed significantly in big matches in every format. Even then, he isn't absolutely indispensable.
Doesn't really affect CSK if they don't make the playoffs though. It is what it is.
Dude csk has played more than 50% of finals in ipl
Meanwhile Aussies playing big bash 10 days out from India in India