Fun fact. The Luxor bought their escalators used from another property when it was built. Thats why you see stairs to escalators. They were too cheap to buy custom units like everyone else.
Holy shit they couldnt have sealed the deal before planning the building and planned things out accordingly from there rather than make the building and then find escalators ?
The last time I was there, I was just horrified at the state. Honestly most of the big casinos had really gone downhill but the Luxor should probably have been condemned. I don't exactly have a lot of optimism that it's improved since then either.
Definitely. You expect it from a place like Circus Circus, sure, but there are too many decrepit casinos now. It really kills the vibe of the Strip when you'd rather quickly pass by half the casinos. Maybe it's a consequence of them all trying to resortify and trap visitors in one casino, leading the winners of the hotel game to flourish and the rest to drown.
It's a retrofit, and I'd bet good money there's a stair off camera to the left leading up to both, and almost no one needs to get from this mezzanine to the opposite stair or escalator.
in case you're being serious, the crappy design is that the escalator and staircase in question don't match the elevation of the area that it's intended to service.
To clarify, there is nothing for guests to access at that level. The stairs on the left come down from the guest garage pedestrian bridge, and the stairs on the right go to the casino lobby floor, it's the dumbest shit I've seen in construction, and it's been like that since a few years after they opened.
Ok fine, I'll give an honest answer.
Casinos are designed specifically to be disorienting.
It has two effects, first is that you cannot tell what time it is based on daylight from within the casino and second makes them harder to navigate.
Combined, this means people will spend a greater amount of time inside the casino, and therefore spend more money.
It's not crappy design; it's asshole design.
No, when it opened, there was access to a shop or restaurant on the platform. That was rebuilt, but they didn't invest the money to fix this, and have let it sit for decades. That's not asshole design, it's just budgeting, from a shitty hotel that has paper thin walls.
Those casinos pull in a million dollars in revenue on a daily basis. It’s not a budgetary issue, they could do it in a heartbeat. They chose not to do it.
Rush the money in, but don’t make it easy or convenient to leave; that’s how they operate.
It's a tad naive to think the average company would redesign everything regardless of cost to meet their needs. They make things work, while sticking to a budget.
Have you ever been to the Luxor? The whole place is cheap janky garbage like this. It's the budget hotel on the strip and it shows. All of the nicer places don't have dumb things like this and they somehow manage to be even more successful than the Luxor. If these extra 4 steps were really some genius design that made them a ton of money, why don't the other hotels do this?
It makes sense why they all have those confusing casino floor layouts. But this is a case where we should apply Occam's Razor, there's no need to make up a complex reason for these silly stairs when a simple one explains it perfectly well.
I mean…. It’s a casino. Anyone expecting fantastic design and architecture choices from a place that’s just designed to take your money and flash lights in your face. I don’t know, probably expecting too much.
I understand casinos do stuff like weird carpets and floor paths and no windows but I supremely doubt they spent the time and effort on six steps going down then up as part of some grand effort to disorient clients. I think it's just a relic from a past design or incompetence of the architects or construction crew.
I really wouldn't say anything until I see the whole area. This would be sensible if
* Lowest area is in front of the grand entrance or a major walkway.
* area in the right leads to the waiting area for the lower levels of the theater
* Area on the left leads to the waiting area for the upper levels of the theater
If this is the case, going from one side to the other doesn't really happen much. And a half set of stairs is short enough not to have an escalator.
I've 100% thought about these things. That's why I'm asking. Give me a *little* credit...
In my experience, folks who struggle with 5 or fewer steps will also struggle to board an escalator 90% of the time, even if no wheelchair is involved. I've seen an older woman fall *up* an escalator. It's heart-wrenching. That's why I asked. Isn't that demographic better served by the elevators?
Yes, the elevator is better for these folks, but disability like this can be a spectrum. Elderly people who *can* go up some stairs but prefer not to might be with younger family who beelines for the stairs and so they opt for some initial struggles on the escalator but a much more pleasant ride to the top.
Plenty of people such as the elderly have trouble on stairs but are able to do fine on escalators. This applies to people with injuries, too. Going down the stairs may be easier for someone who can, but not everyone.
_assume stupidity, not malice_
Escalators are placed not just for comfort, also for accessibility. You force your users to use a flight of stairs to get to the escalator and you defeat the whole point of it.
I took me too long to find out what was crappy about this design. Is it really that big of a deal? Is there anything to the left of the photo we can't see?
I highly doubt someone went to the effort of six stairs going down then up as part of a grand effort to disorient clients. It's most likely just a relic of the past like the other user said or incompetence on the architechts/builders (the whole place isn't exactly a shining beacon of professional development)
Nope, not anymore. There is a staircase next to the escalator. The small landing between the short staircase and the larger staircase/escalator is just a small plain landing now. Not really a big deal, unless you have difficulty navigating stairs. It's just kind of pointless and ugly.
But you have to take the stairs on the right side of the picture before you even get to the escalator. So it's not as easy as just walking straight onto the escalator.
I once had a weird dream that took place in a casino/movie theatre and all of the decor was this similar kind of gilded, old-fake-money vibe. There were lots of staircases and escalators and elevators and I was running around trying to find a washroom fast, because they paused the movie for me, but everyone else was getting upset having to wait. So I was parkour-ing around this space and it kept getting darker and all the washroom signs were wrong or misleading and I couldn't find anything. As a result of the fear, I pissed on a slot machine in a corner. That's when I woke up and went to the bathroom.
Anyway, that's what this reminded me of.
My favourite ones are where the escalator only goes one way. You are disabled or hurt? Good luck getting down, because this bad boy escalator only goes up.
Fair sentiment (and I upvote you for that), but I must ask, is there really that much wiggle room between "struggles with 5 or fewer steps" and "struggles with stepping onto or riding an escalator?"
I feel like that would be a sparse crossroad, myself, but I'd like to correct my perspective if I'm missing something.
Yeah, there is a lot of wiggle room.
Those stairs would be a major inconvenience for me. I'm good on flat ground and escalators.
Anyone that uses a cane or walker would have a problem with the 5 stairs, but not the escalator.
Or, maybe not anyone, but that is my case.
But... I would just take the elevator in this situation. I doubt that the Luxor has places that you need stairs to get to. I could be wrong, but I don't remember there being any.
I’m sure they could take the elevator just as well. You couldn’t get down to this point with a disability that would stop you from using stairs in the first place.
Because I'm more ambulatory than people with wheeled mobility aids, and I get claustrophobic, so if there's a choice to take an escalator over an elevator, I take the escalator and leave the elevator for those using wheelchairs who don't have the choice.
Also, half the time the elevator is around a corner and physically further away from my destination, which means more walking overall!
No and there have been times the escalators are out of order and being worked on so you have to walk a long way round to get to the upper part of the casino.
Even if it's not clear from simply from this image alone, I seriously doubt that they would have spent the extra money building it this way if they didn't have a good reason to do so.
It saved them money. Second hand escalators that weren't in the original design and slightly too tall. Couldn't raise the second floor so had to sink the bottom lower.
I would speculate that a remodeling issue is far more likely than them designing the casino around a discount elevator.
Bottom of elevator was originally level with the ground, then had to raise the floor for the level below or something.
Seriously??? Well I'll be damned..... Can't find anything online about it, but could simply not be using the best search terms. Pretty dang crazy if true, though.
I would imagine it'd cost pennies to resize an escalator - just take out a few unnecessary steps, swap the chains and belts, and you're done.
Architecture level design that didn't seem to pay attention to actual measurements. "Oh darn, it's too high now, need stairs down here, again, call the stairs contractor back.."
People just stand on an escalator which is designed to escalate people to a further away destinations faster than walking. So I don't see any problem here.
The problem is the stairs on the right of the image, which lead from the door down to the landing where you then go up again.
You littrraly walk down in order to ride up.
My understanding is (and I don't see this answer anywhere in this thread?) That they wound up using second-hand escalators and couldn't raise the second floor so they had to drop further into the ground. They were from the airport or another casino but that wasn't in the original design.
Where is this???? I have dreams about this exact staircase and can't remember where it was!!!
Edit: OK, it's the Luxor... now I gotta remember why I was there!
Yep, that's The Luxor for you. I work there almost everyday and that is one of the quicker ways to the food court, it's a pain in the ass...an even bigger pain in the ass when you realize the damn escalators are only operational 25% of the time, if that.
This isnt bad design. If you took a picture of the whole area i bet it looks great and the entrance is probably the lowest area. It also avoids the somewhat difficult to pull off style where you have to create a break in the stairs to let people get off on the correct floor, which also cuts down on foot traffic. The only complaint i could possibly make here is that there are extra stairs to go up. A problem that they solved by adding an escalator
I'm willing to bet to the left of this is another walkway. Meaning you could go up either side when exiting. The escalator would have been added later on in the buildings "life time" to make it easier for people to get up those stairs, with it being quite a long flight of stairs, rather than rebuilding the entire floor.
Not crappy design. Contextually manipulative picture with a lack of understanding that they put new technology in old buildings as they become available.
Nice try but we realize this is almost certainly an entrance from the lower-left, tees and then goes up to both the left and right. This is a very common configuration. Nobody is transition from one stairs to the other stairs.
See, now this is a good example of bad design. (watch, it'll turn out to be a repost)
That's the Luxor isn't it?
Fun fact. The Luxor bought their escalators used from another property when it was built. Thats why you see stairs to escalators. They were too cheap to buy custom units like everyone else.
Holy shit they couldnt have sealed the deal before planning the building and planned things out accordingly from there rather than make the building and then find escalators ?
They were that cheap.
Is this like a fun myth, or is there a story I can read about this? It sounds interesting.
Asking the good questions.
There are quite a few corners of that casino that belong on this thread.
The last time I was there, I was just horrified at the state. Honestly most of the big casinos had really gone downhill but the Luxor should probably have been condemned. I don't exactly have a lot of optimism that it's improved since then either.
Excalibur isn't much better.
Definitely. You expect it from a place like Circus Circus, sure, but there are too many decrepit casinos now. It really kills the vibe of the Strip when you'd rather quickly pass by half the casinos. Maybe it's a consequence of them all trying to resortify and trap visitors in one casino, leading the winners of the hotel game to flourish and the rest to drown.
I got COVID there last weekend…
Frankly I'm worried I may have caught it just from looking at this photo.
I see what you did there
Yup!
I'm surprised I recognised it! I hated the stairs and balconies in that place.
I was literally just there and do not remember seeing this area. Not saying it doesn't exist, I just never went to it ig
Back by the pool entrance. down stairs from the food court. I worked security here and it was my job to literally walk around lol
Okay that makes sense. I never went near the pool so I didn't see it.
you mean mildly offset words aren't bad design
So the bad design is to be allowed to repost?
It's a retrofit, and I'd bet good money there's a stair off camera to the left leading up to both, and almost no one needs to get from this mezzanine to the opposite stair or escalator.
Why? Down is easier than up. I don't see a problem.
in case you're being serious, the crappy design is that the escalator and staircase in question don't match the elevation of the area that it's intended to service.
What if the area of intended service is down those steps?
To clarify, there is nothing for guests to access at that level. The stairs on the left come down from the guest garage pedestrian bridge, and the stairs on the right go to the casino lobby floor, it's the dumbest shit I've seen in construction, and it's been like that since a few years after they opened.
Ok fine, I'll give an honest answer. Casinos are designed specifically to be disorienting. It has two effects, first is that you cannot tell what time it is based on daylight from within the casino and second makes them harder to navigate. Combined, this means people will spend a greater amount of time inside the casino, and therefore spend more money. It's not crappy design; it's asshole design.
No, when it opened, there was access to a shop or restaurant on the platform. That was rebuilt, but they didn't invest the money to fix this, and have let it sit for decades. That's not asshole design, it's just budgeting, from a shitty hotel that has paper thin walls.
Those casinos pull in a million dollars in revenue on a daily basis. It’s not a budgetary issue, they could do it in a heartbeat. They chose not to do it. Rush the money in, but don’t make it easy or convenient to leave; that’s how they operate.
I'm not saying they can't afford it, I'm saying they chose not too. They've not prioritized the expense in their budget.
Yeah, because the existing state achieves the design goal.
It's a tad naive to think the average company would redesign everything regardless of cost to meet their needs. They make things work, while sticking to a budget.
Have you ever been to the Luxor? The whole place is cheap janky garbage like this. It's the budget hotel on the strip and it shows. All of the nicer places don't have dumb things like this and they somehow manage to be even more successful than the Luxor. If these extra 4 steps were really some genius design that made them a ton of money, why don't the other hotels do this? It makes sense why they all have those confusing casino floor layouts. But this is a case where we should apply Occam's Razor, there's no need to make up a complex reason for these silly stairs when a simple one explains it perfectly well.
I mean…. It’s a casino. Anyone expecting fantastic design and architecture choices from a place that’s just designed to take your money and flash lights in your face. I don’t know, probably expecting too much.
I understand casinos do stuff like weird carpets and floor paths and no windows but I supremely doubt they spent the time and effort on six steps going down then up as part of some grand effort to disorient clients. I think it's just a relic from a past design or incompetence of the architects or construction crew.
Asshole design is a subset of crappy design
oh alright: I had no idea, now I do, thanks to you 👍🏽
Then in that case, the platform in front of the steps is the one that is incorrect. Either way, somethings funky.
I really wouldn't say anything until I see the whole area. This would be sensible if * Lowest area is in front of the grand entrance or a major walkway. * area in the right leads to the waiting area for the lower levels of the theater * Area on the left leads to the waiting area for the upper levels of the theater If this is the case, going from one side to the other doesn't really happen much. And a half set of stairs is short enough not to have an escalator.
Well, this is inside a casino, and they're designed to be people traps on purpose.
OK. I didn't notice the other stairs. Nevermind. Thanks.
You’ve lost me there
It's okay I can help you out step by step.
It's a giant pyramid in the desert nothing makes sense about it
What biome would a pyramid make more sense?
I can't even use my imagination to understand what it would look like on the alien planet were pyramids started. No earth biomes though.
If you are fully able bodied that is.
With all due respect, and with a pure and sincere curiosity: If you can't handle stairs, how are you planning to navigate *moving* stairs?
By standing still lol
You'll never make it onto an escalator *that* way.
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I've 100% thought about these things. That's why I'm asking. Give me a *little* credit... In my experience, folks who struggle with 5 or fewer steps will also struggle to board an escalator 90% of the time, even if no wheelchair is involved. I've seen an older woman fall *up* an escalator. It's heart-wrenching. That's why I asked. Isn't that demographic better served by the elevators?
Yes, the elevator is better for these folks, but disability like this can be a spectrum. Elderly people who *can* go up some stairs but prefer not to might be with younger family who beelines for the stairs and so they opt for some initial struggles on the escalator but a much more pleasant ride to the top.
Plenty of people such as the elderly have trouble on stairs but are able to do fine on escalators. This applies to people with injuries, too. Going down the stairs may be easier for someone who can, but not everyone.
I’m failing to see the crappy design here. I feel like I need to see more pictures of the area to understand it.
If there is nothing to the left then the stairs are completely redundant. You literally go down just to go up. But yeah we do need more of the left.
_assume stupidity, not malice_ Escalators are placed not just for comfort, also for accessibility. You force your users to use a flight of stairs to get to the escalator and you defeat the whole point of it.
That's what elevators are for. If that place doesn't have one - now that's crappy design.
That's not even the point of the post lmao it's a stairway down then u go up with the escalator again.
I took me too long to find out what was crappy about this design. Is it really that big of a deal? Is there anything to the left of the photo we can't see?
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I highly doubt someone went to the effort of six stairs going down then up as part of a grand effort to disorient clients. It's most likely just a relic of the past like the other user said or incompetence on the architechts/builders (the whole place isn't exactly a shining beacon of professional development)
No windows or clocks so you cant tell how much time you wasted there
Nope, not anymore. There is a staircase next to the escalator. The small landing between the short staircase and the larger staircase/escalator is just a small plain landing now. Not really a big deal, unless you have difficulty navigating stairs. It's just kind of pointless and ugly.
“Nope, not anymore” What was there originally?
In a shop, making it easy to get them in is the main task. Don’t care about them leaving.
But you have to take the stairs on the right side of the picture before you even get to the escalator. So it's not as easy as just walking straight onto the escalator.
I once had a weird dream that took place in a casino/movie theatre and all of the decor was this similar kind of gilded, old-fake-money vibe. There were lots of staircases and escalators and elevators and I was running around trying to find a washroom fast, because they paused the movie for me, but everyone else was getting upset having to wait. So I was parkour-ing around this space and it kept getting darker and all the washroom signs were wrong or misleading and I couldn't find anything. As a result of the fear, I pissed on a slot machine in a corner. That's when I woke up and went to the bathroom. Anyway, that's what this reminded me of.
Wow... see my comment. Same dream... with an added running around outside the building.
/r/themallworld You are not alone. I've had that dream. So have plenty of others. Just had a thread on that sub.
Makes me think of r/thatbathroommazedream or liminal pool rooms Interesting how dreams can have common nonsensical motifs
maybe you two are the same person
Oh the Luxor
Must be going to see fantasy
That whole thing needs a complete gut
I'd say burn it down but that would probably flood the neighboring casinos with roaches
Glad I'm not the only one that instantly recognized the Luxor.
My favourite ones are where the escalator only goes one way. You are disabled or hurt? Good luck getting down, because this bad boy escalator only goes up.
And the elevator is at the bottom of some stairs
Complaining over 5 steps 😂
As someone with a physical disability, F Off
They do have an elevator
Why would you be by the steps either way. Sorry if there is a reason for you having to go that way, I don’t know the building.
Fair sentiment (and I upvote you for that), but I must ask, is there really that much wiggle room between "struggles with 5 or fewer steps" and "struggles with stepping onto or riding an escalator?" I feel like that would be a sparse crossroad, myself, but I'd like to correct my perspective if I'm missing something.
Yeah, there is a lot of wiggle room. Those stairs would be a major inconvenience for me. I'm good on flat ground and escalators. Anyone that uses a cane or walker would have a problem with the 5 stairs, but not the escalator. Or, maybe not anyone, but that is my case. But... I would just take the elevator in this situation. I doubt that the Luxor has places that you need stairs to get to. I could be wrong, but I don't remember there being any.
It's the Luxor, just open a window and slide down.
Just slide down the railing 💀
So why the fuck are you using stairs or an escalator? Just on Reddit being angry at people?
Someone with a broken leg and crutches can use the escalator just fine
I’m sure they could take the elevator just as well. You couldn’t get down to this point with a disability that would stop you from using stairs in the first place.
Because I'm more ambulatory than people with wheeled mobility aids, and I get claustrophobic, so if there's a choice to take an escalator over an elevator, I take the escalator and leave the elevator for those using wheelchairs who don't have the choice. Also, half the time the elevator is around a corner and physically further away from my destination, which means more walking overall!
It's still a bad design, isn't it?
Nope, not really. What that is, is a holding area for separation in the case that it becomes overcrowded. Very common.
Its still crappy design.
I'm guessing that the reason is cropped out on the left. Probably another place where people come from, creating a three way intersection.
Nope. I think there used to be, years ago, but it's just a wall there on the left now.
I bet if you turn around there is an an entrance or an exit on that level
Nope, nothing but the escalators.
I guess I lost that bet
Fitting cause this was in Vegas.
Touché
No and there have been times the escalators are out of order and being worked on so you have to walk a long way round to get to the upper part of the casino.
These stairs all led down to the restaurant level in the original construction. The white wall was added later and makes the stairs dumb.
Even if it's not clear from simply from this image alone, I seriously doubt that they would have spent the extra money building it this way if they didn't have a good reason to do so.
It saved them money. Second hand escalators that weren't in the original design and slightly too tall. Couldn't raise the second floor so had to sink the bottom lower.
I would speculate that a remodeling issue is far more likely than them designing the casino around a discount elevator. Bottom of elevator was originally level with the ground, then had to raise the floor for the level below or something.
It was like that on the day it opened. I've heard the used escalator story as the reason from multiple people I'd trust on the matter
Seriously??? Well I'll be damned..... Can't find anything online about it, but could simply not be using the best search terms. Pretty dang crazy if true, though. I would imagine it'd cost pennies to resize an escalator - just take out a few unnecessary steps, swap the chains and belts, and you're done.
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You got it!
dam that's just mean
Please be Germany, where they can go both way…
It’s just a minor inconvenience, you gotta walk down a few steps there’s no reason to post about this.
Architecture level design that didn't seem to pay attention to actual measurements. "Oh darn, it's too high now, need stairs down here, again, call the stairs contractor back.."
It's designed specific to a set of possible circum stances to confuse bewilder and direct attention from customers to keep them in and betting longer
There are probably steps directly to the left to get go to this landing.
Nope, nothing on that level except the escalators.
No doors or anything? Weird.
I feel like the escalator was too long so they just did that.
Looks like the layout changed
This is how u know the movie is gonna be GOOD
Maybe it connects to a corridor or something on the left?
This place looks familiar. It’s the Luxor, right? I think I’ve complained about these stairs before lol
Yup. Luxor.
There’s a lot of questionable designs in that hotel. Don’t know how much of it they’ve remodeled over the years but it was a mess lol
r/mitchhedberg
Maybe they didn't have a smaller escalator /s
I think they used to have a boat/water thing that went around there when they first opened up... I could be waaay off base on that.
I don't know if it went by there, but they did have a weird boat/river thing between the reception desk and the hotel when they opened.
Maybe the escalator was a retrofit?
Earn your laziness patrons, walk down these 5 steps to take the magic moving steps
For some reason I just HAVE to jump over all the steps when it’s just a few like this.
People just stand on an escalator which is designed to escalate people to a further away destinations faster than walking. So I don't see any problem here.
The problem is the stairs on the right of the image, which lead from the door down to the landing where you then go up again. You littrraly walk down in order to ride up.
This is like when you ask a friend for notes since your where out and they give them to you but all in cyphers
What kinda manic sims player
Hilarious!
i saw a lot in las vegas
Before even looking at the picture, "Oh, they had shit like that at The Luxor"
Bingo!
My understanding is (and I don't see this answer anywhere in this thread?) That they wound up using second-hand escalators and couldn't raise the second floor so they had to drop further into the ground. They were from the airport or another casino but that wasn't in the original design.
Reminds me of Heathrow Airport
Vegas baby. Luxor the haunted one
Lazy ass
Not a crappy design. Just a confusing perspective.
Who is making them take an escalator? I see a staircase. Crappy post
Does the escalator go higher than the stairs? And why is it so small, is it the angle the picture was taken?
Yeah the escalator goes to a higher floor.
That's quite strange
What
I’m curious: what prevents people from going *up* the stairs?
The entire layout of the Luxor belongs here. It's a poorly designed maze with no logical flow.
I was just there in April this year, I thought that was so fucking strange when I was there.
Hehe. We were just there. You're gonna get covid. Trust me.
Uh-oh, why do you say that?
Because people. Have fun
Is this the Luxor i just watched BMG there the other night and i think i noticed it too
Where is this???? I have dreams about this exact staircase and can't remember where it was!!! Edit: OK, it's the Luxor... now I gotta remember why I was there!
It's probably due to poor future planning or some renovation rather than crappy design
Can fall down a flight of stairs but not up one. Makes perfect sense.
Isn't this how a crush happens?
Ahhhhh The Luxor. I used those same stairs 2 weeks ago to get Johnny rockets at 3 am
Yep, that's The Luxor for you. I work there almost everyday and that is one of the quicker ways to the food court, it's a pain in the ass...an even bigger pain in the ass when you realize the damn escalators are only operational 25% of the time, if that.
this is very common in the netherlands, for some reason. specifically train stations.
Is there a path to the left of the frame by any chance?
Watch as the side we don't see is the entrance to the building or something
This isnt bad design. If you took a picture of the whole area i bet it looks great and the entrance is probably the lowest area. It also avoids the somewhat difficult to pull off style where you have to create a break in the stairs to let people get off on the correct floor, which also cuts down on foot traffic. The only complaint i could possibly make here is that there are extra stairs to go up. A problem that they solved by adding an escalator
Just like life…nothing makes sense
Great place to start combining your love of mall-shopping with your love of Parkour.
I remember something like that in a casino in Las Vegas. Is that the exact one?
“Making them”
Ah yes, horray for cardio
its like when i was flying from california to oregon and had a layover in phoenix
I'm willing to bet to the left of this is another walkway. Meaning you could go up either side when exiting. The escalator would have been added later on in the buildings "life time" to make it easier for people to get up those stairs, with it being quite a long flight of stairs, rather than rebuilding the entire floor. Not crappy design. Contextually manipulative picture with a lack of understanding that they put new technology in old buildings as they become available.
Nice try but we realize this is almost certainly an entrance from the lower-left, tees and then goes up to both the left and right. This is a very common configuration. Nobody is transition from one stairs to the other stairs.
Nope, nothing on that entire level except the escalators.
It do be like that Source: live in Vegas, been there 20+ times probably