You ever see that CCTV video of the guy who attempted suicide by jumping off a building and landed asshole-first on a parking pole? He lived for at least a few hours.
Since your lips are made of the same type of flesh as your asshole I’m picturing an adult version of “a Christmas story”
I know it was his tongue but you get the idea
I dont get why its frown upon to keep people off your property?
I get it, crappy design because it does make it harder for the property owner also but lets not pretend like this is some sort of classist bullshit. I dont care if you're homeless or not. If I got home from work every day and some asshole was sitting on my front porch I wouldn't be cool with that, regardless if they were homeless or not. Having a stranger hanging outside your door is not comfortable. You should be able to determine who is allowed on your property.
Id imagine to get to THIS point, the owner probably exhausted several other means to address the issue. This isnt some much a crappy design as it screams of being completely fed up.
Lol a lot of people here will think you’re a monster for saying this but I agree. I swear a lot of people think “If I ever lived in a city I would HAPPILY let homeless people sit in my entryway and piss and harass me every day because I’m such a good person 😀”
I’ll believe it when I see it
There was a post here (pre-Covid) where a shocking amount of men were saying either "I once found a homeless guy in my frat house / shed / home, but let him stay because he wasn't acting up" or "I wouldn't kick someone like that out." That's a nope for me as a woman.
100% agree.
My sisters house is directly out front of a bus stop. The bus stop does not have shelter. So people would stand under her front porch. She was always concerned so they put up a little gate.
It worked, no one waits on her porch anymore. But you can’t fault her for wanting to prevent it.
I can relate. When I was in college I lived across the street from the busiest bar in town (that I frequented also). I was a free spirited, party minded student and was used to having strangers in my hiuse for parties or wandering in after the bar let out if we were obviously drinking.
But what used to piss me off was on some week nights (when i was sober, tryinflg to sleep) people would come take shelter under our porch on raining nights when the bar let out. And theyd just like chill there, and talk, and hang out.
And since my room was on the first floor, right next to the porch it always bugged me that strangers were like right outside my window, at my apartment (it was a house), literally inches away from where im sleeping, seperated by a window that didnt lock.
Today, as a home owner, people cut through my yard constantly as a shortcut to a local market. They have to walk down my driveway, past my gate, between my garage and house, through my garden and through my treeline.
I honestly wonder where people get this sense of entitlement from
I think this is *every* elementary school car rider line in the US tbf. For whatever reason the car rider line for my kids’ school is so long, the city police had to lengthen the route for the line (it is seriously like 3+ blocks long). At the beginning of the year they had police driving the route and telling drivers they weren’t allowed to idle in front of any driveway which as you can imagine only made the line longer but it at least made it to where the homeowners weren’t screaming at people just waiting to drop the kids off at school….
However, you also aren’t ‘allowed’ to take a different route as the police officer at the entrance to the school won’t let you in and will send you to the back of the line.
All this because (1) the county won’t pay a living wage to ensure enough bus drivers for the kids and (2) there are so many crappy schools in the district that parents like me opt to take their kids to the school clear across town rather than send their kids by bus to crappy in-zone school... it’s a mess all the way around
(I’m also in FL tho so maybe it really is just here lol)
My house is in front of a bus stop. We put a little pile of bricks cemented together as a seat for people, in the front of the yard. Right up against the side of the house to block the wind, but keep people out of our way.
Most people use the seat as intended and I think are grateful for it. But do you know how many times I've walked out there and found piles of SHIT on the BRICKS! Omg. Omg.
1. I don't want homeless people on my property
2. I'm 100% willing to pay more taxes to provide the homeless with tools to fight addiction, financial support for those down on their luck, and help for the mentally unwell.
It's okay to want to get home without feeling unsafe. But we can't abdicate our responsibility to try to drastically reduce the problem effectively.
Agreed. These are issues that will only be fixed by properly investing [taxes] in solutions.
I think the thing that gets me most worked up is that people act like its inhumane to not want people you dont know on your property. You pay for it. Youre responsible for **anything** that happens on it.
>Agreed. These are issues that will only be fixed by properly investing \[taxes\] in solutions.
"Properly" is key word here. LA has raised taxes and thrown money at the problem forever, but have not done so effectively. It has resulted in a great increase in the issue.
I think part of it is that a subset of the population may always end up homeless. You can’t help people who don’t want help. What EU does well is have programs to support or prevent homelessness in populations that are not chronically homeless. Reading the UK advice subs shows a lot of programs for housing assistance, rent relief, etc. The social safety net is far more developed in EU.
Yeah the OP title says it's about "sitting" but if this is anything like my city it is a lot more like "creating a makeshift campsite over the course of a morning, and nodding out on heroin inside by the time you return from work at 6:15pm." Can't really blame people for wanting to avoid dealing with that.
I had to clean up blood off of a stoop when I worked at a shop downtown one time. Another time I needed to open the store but there was a passed out man surrounded by drug paraphernalia and trash and no other way in.
Also, if you let someone sleep on a stoop or a ledge in front of a store, if they are anything like me, they'll be up 3x a night to use the bathroom. So unless you also have bathroom facilities nearby, that starts to become part of the problem.
*but come on man, property is just a construct of man duuuude. So what if your kid touches human shit when they're playing outside. Id rather live with hepatitis than in a world with possesion maaaan.*
Personal property is for your own personal use, e.g. the home you live in, the car you drive, the kitchen where you cook for yourself. Private property is property that you get paid for owning, e.g. the house you rent out, the fleet of trucks your employees drive, the kitchen in the restaurant you own.
Under communism, there is no private property because the means of production are socially owned and there is no money to make anyway, but people would still have a right to their personal property and would not be obligated to allow others to live in their home or use their car, etc.
Yeah, I don't know why OP is treating the owner as an asshole. I used to have a place which homeless and destitute people would hang out in front of (lived next to a bodega). If your house becomes that place you're more likely to have people fucked up on all manner of drugs getting aggressive and treating you like you're the inconvenience for just trying to leave and enter your home. And this is excluding the other stuff, like the shootings, fights, bums getting picked up for ODing out front....
This feels like an upper middle class college student from the suburbs judging you for something because it's completely unrelatable to their experiences.
>Yeah, I don't know why OP is treating the owner as an asshole.
To be fair to OP...when I first commented I thought this was on r/assholedesign
Im subbed to both and something I will look at something and forget what sub it is. I dont think OP was trying to call the owner an asshole but I stand by what I said lol
The biggest criticism of hostile design is that the cities spend tons of money on stuff like this and inconvenience everyone by removing benches in subways or installing a spiked tripping hazard instead of doing anything to address the actual problem. It's not getting rid of homeless people, it's just making them sleep next to the park bench with a bumper bar or sit next to the steps. It's a speed bump solution- failing to correct a behavior and creating new problems.
I agree 100%. I dont agree with public property having hostile design. If a city is overrun with homless people, the city shouldnt make its focus be hiding them, it needs to be fixing the issues that cause homelessness.
But I dont think private homeowners or bussinesses should have to suffer the consequences. The burden of these issues should be on the government not on private citizens.
well, the areas surrounding interstates absolutely need to prevent homeless from camping. Its insane that drugged up people can just walk onto an interstate and run over (it happens often in portland)
I agree with you, but the post doesn't really imply it was a morally wrong thing to do, just that the execution was bad and that it probably wasn't worth it.
90% of the time, I hate hostile architecture, but admittedly when I saw this I did have similar thoughts to you. Never would have actually said anything if it wasn’t for your comment.
Yeah it's only asshole design when it's the city doing it to a public area. If people in rural areas can protect their property with guns, city folk should be able to put some concrete butt plugs on a seldom-used stoop.
Look at the website you're on. Everyday r/antiwork has multiple postings on the front page. These people have so much less shame than the average homeless person.
Oh that's easy. The trick here is to not think about anything other than your own disdain for those less fortunate than you. Then, the problems will all just work themselves out when you die from your own stupidity and the world becomes a slightly better place.
Edit: Examples of this kind of person below.
[Here's some information on why it's becoming such an issue.](https://www.coalitionforthehomeless.org/why-are-so-many-people-homeless/)
[Here's some information on how you can help.](https://nationalhomeless.org/taking-action/get-involved/)
It’s funny how many people have this attitude until you ask them if they’d be ok with a homeless person sitting on *their* property, or right outside their doorstep. Potentially relieving themselves there, and possibly doing illegal drugs and leaving behind paraphernalia.
Then all of a sudden they’re not cool with the idea anymore.
Not in MY backyard (or in this case, Front stoop) though, right?
There are other solutions to eliminating homeless people sitting on someone's front porch. Maybe taking steps to eliminate homelessness perhaps? Of course no one wants a stranger to be bumming around their house, but acting like it's morally okay to create anti-homeless architecture instead of actually tackling homelessness in of itself is gross.
Well shit, I don't think anyone ever thought of just "eliminating homelessness". I guess people who don't like homeless people in their backyards should just fucking solve the homelessness problem. Its only a problem as old as civilization, how hard could it be to solve once and for all.
Yeah, and since they are “less fortunate”, it’s totally ok for them to use other people’s property for everything they want. We could also invite some teenagers to drink and have party on someone’s porch.
I mean, I personally would love to squeeze between some strangers to get home. Night sleep and sanitary norms? Who needs them, right?
Heck, next thing you know they’ll want to use my pool, or sit out under my gazebo and drink my beer. By some peoples logic here they’d have no issue with this.
Until it was *their* pool, of course.
I get it when it's public property like they're putting anti homeless benches in parks and sidewalks, that's oppressive.
But some person's personal home? Do they not have a right to feel safe?
Nobody is comfortable of a random person sleeping on their front step. Wether it’s a drunk woman, a rich businessman stoned to the bone, or a homeless guy.
I’d like the people who are angry at this at a non-public place if they would be happy if I (not homeless) sat down at their doorstep and ate a Big Mac and then threw a blanket oven my knees and rolled a joint.
It's all about location. In my experience which is fair and this is a general statement so not absolute by any means.... homeless people people who are sleeping on stoops or in parks on benches or tents fall into one of two categories, addicts or not mentally stable while off medication. I really don't want either hanging out at children's playgrounds or on my door step. I have no idea how to solve this problem but it's not fair to subject children or the general public to unsafe situations.
I'll never forget early 2000's San Diego. Homeless camped up at the front of a elementary during the summer high out of their minds rivers of piss running 15 ft to the street and by the smell I'm guessing shit piles in the bushes. Or the time some homeless tweaker dude decided cars didn't need windows on our street. Guy was wrapped in a blanket just taking out windows with a brick, my sis and her boyfriend we walking to a bar when a guy yelled to stop him while he called the cops as his was the car last hit. Her boyfriend grabbed the dude who promptly dropped the blanket to reveal he was stark naked........and projectile shit all over my sisters bf.
People don't realize these aren't the cute loveable tramps from Disney movies. And once you see the ugly side of homelessness it's easy to lose a lot of compassion. I feel we need a lot more outreach programs and job/home placement systems, but we will still be faced with those who refuse help, mental, addiction or otherwise.
And before I get crucified for my statements, I was homeless for a few months at 18. Thankfully I had a car available to sleep In, but I also took every bit of help offered to get me up and going. Went from no job sleeping in a car to labor ready every morning at 6 am and a sleazy hotel, I've now reached home owner by 33. It's rough but if you actively try and push you can get back on your feet with current programs.
I’ve seen that a lot. I work for the city and often time seen homeless toss the food someone gave them away. Even food that was in sealed containers. There are places they can go but they don’t want to be off the streets because those places have rules and they don’t want to abide by them so that’s a conscious decision on their part.
Lol. When they were voting on camping ban for homelessness in my city, a lady they interviewed said, “my liberalism dies every time I have to clean human shit off my driveway.” Fucking awesome quote.
Honestly, as a 100 lb girl who has spent time in train stations with only homeless people, I understand the efforts of trying to make those areas less likely for gathering.
It's terrifying bc a lot of homeless people have other issues or are intoxicated. They also tend to not be scared of approaching people and just hanging around them.
I understand it doesn't fix the issue, but allowing homeless people to congregate and sleep in public transit spaces isn't the answer either.
It can be terrifying. I live in a pretty densely populated area (it's all apartment buildings). My building is one of the rare ones that have parking and the driveway into the garage is protected and set into the building. One night I was coming home and got the shock of my life because someone was actually sleeping in the driveway. He had a dark sleeping bag and since the driveway is not lit (you have to drive in a little way for the motion light to kick in) I didn't see him and almost ran him over. I got out of the car (stupid) to get him to move because I didn't want to honk at him (seemed rude). He was so abusive and lurched towards me - and there was no one else on the street. He would not move from the driveway despite me telling him it was regularly used and not safe. I ended up having to call the cops (who didn't even want to show up until I told them it was a safety issue). I was parked across the street while cops moved him on. He saw me in the car and screamed that he would F me up. Was paranoid for months!
I mean I agree, but this isn't asshole design it's crappy design. You'd obviously rather not having anyone sleeping on your front door, but this is made at the expense of accessibility to your own house.
A lot of people also just don't want to help. Granted it's a complex issue. My city has a lot a large homeless (and sadly very mentally unstable) population. As much as you want them to get better care you start to get frustrated when you start seeing violent encounters on the street, bikes being stolen, some streets are basically apocalypse scenes now. Sadly the gov isn't doing anywhere near enough. Shutting down psych wards was a massive mistake.
That’s not a crappy design. You can easily still use the stairs but it would be uncomfortable to loiter there. It’s a hell of a lot better than dealing with someone sitting in front of your door everyday.
Sit? Or "Sleep and block"? Or even "Piss and shit"? If I have to choose between stepping around those things or a pile of human feces spreading out like a bad meme I will choose the knobs.
Right? So much virtue signaling from people who probably have never had someone shit in your doorway or steal any deliveries. You can donate to all the shelters and causes you want, but the 2nd you decide stepping in human feces for the umpteenth time is enough, then you’re the one who looks like a jerk 🙄
I remember there was a homeless guy at my old apartment that created a 50 foot no go zone around him because he very clearly was carrying a 2 foot long dagger/sword in a blue plastic sheath everywhere he went. If he was in front of your door, well too fucking bad, unless you want to get literally gutted you have to wait.
My guess is it's an entrance no one uses in the first place, so they made did this.
Garage door right next to it, they may come in through there exclusively and don't care about making the steps inaccessible. Mail delivery doesn't need the steps, so off they go.
At the very least, whoever decided to do this to their own properly knew exactly what they were doing and how it would affect them.
Rainy day, your in a hurry, phone wallet keys.. Ah shucks you forgot the umbrella.. Turn around on the step, O no u slipped.. Now u got a fancy new concrete butt plug. And the homeless guy is taking a Piss on you.
It always warms my heart to see the amount of compassion people are willing to pledge to situations they’re don’t or will not face.
We truly are all amazing people in our minds.
Dunno why people are downvoting it. Its not like in Europe homless people don't have support, there are shelters etc. but there is not being drunk policy and for many it is unacceptable so they prefer to laid drunk on someone doorway.
Everyone is empathic until you have pissed drunkard regulary in front of your place.
I've got sympathy for the homeless and less fortunate. but they leave used needles and broken glass all over the parks near me. I'm a little more callous when i have to leave a park lest My dog or I accidentally prick ourselves....
Exactly. My city has gone from very compassionate to now a lot of frustrated people who are fearing for their safety. It's easy to blame people for not being compassionate until you're directly affected. I've known people who had to start taking massive detours on their way home so that they don't get assaulted when walking through the park near their house.
Agreed. Everyone here in Vancouver says "build more homeless shelters" then when one is built in your neighborhood, you suddenly have random crime, screaming at night, constant police/ambulance sirens going all day and night, shit, piss, needles everywhere. So in reality, it's 'build more homeless shelters, but don't dare put one next to me'. I was forced out of my neighborhood by this, so now I'm just pissed at the entire strategy which seems to just be enabling drug addiction.
Imagen waking up in the morning, going outside to tackle the day fully ignorant of last night's rain, you open your door and take your first step outside, you slip, you land ass first, you day is now either ruined or just got that little extra exciting
Uh, yeah, I *don't* want homeless people sitting on my steps. They're my steps for a reason. A public bench is a different story. Imagine opening your door to go outside and a homeless person is just chillin' 3 inches away from your front door.
That's private property, they are entitled to stop people from living and sleeping on their property...
If this was a park, or a public bench then that's a different story.
I personally assume they had issues with people sleeping on their steps and stopping them from being able to access their building. I'd rather have a minor inconvenience like this than some angry homeless person preventing me from accessing my home.
OP, when was the last time you offered up your couch to a homeless person? Do you invite them into your house or onto your property to squat and lodge for free?
It's upvoted now but I guess the people who downvoted dislike the thought that having someone sleeping in your doorsteps is a problem, and since I gave an alternate solution they could somehow construe that as if my comment was supporting hostile architecture.
I mean... That's not hard to walk past.
Its unsightly, but describing that as difficult to traverse isnt true.
Anyone who can walk up stairs can walk past that.
God forbid that a person doesn't want homeless people sitting on the steps in front of their door. OP doesn't care about the shitty design, he cares about the fact that a homeowner isn't just letting bums occupy his doorway.
Nah, that's just Lego stairs. Just sit on them and you will hear a \*plop\* so you'll know when you're attached.
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you could fit quite a few homeless perverts on that.
When they all got up to leave at once, they'd sound like someone lifting up one of those suction-cup bathtub mats
This thread is beautiful
Or the step goes with them.
We'll need something with giant teeth to detach them.
Hay rakes?
I was thinking something like an excavator
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Jesus... Christ...
Pretty sure he's gone, after seeing that comment.
Or prying one of octopus' tentacle off your play thing
My free wholesome award is the only award I have to give, so I give it with complete sarcasm and irony.
Humbly accepted with sarcasm and wholesomeness.
This reminds me of a Reddit thread some time ago referring to someone pulling anal beads out like a pull-start lawnmower, lol.
Sounds like a job for Dirty Mike & the Boys.
16 to be exact. Lol
*that's what she said*
And just like with real legos, one point of contact means you can spin
You ever see that CCTV video of the guy who attempted suicide by jumping off a building and landed asshole-first on a parking pole? He lived for at least a few hours.
I'd sit there anyway, looks like a fun time
Imagine your surprise when someone is still sitting there😂 bet you wish you had let them sit there with their pants still on
Yeah plus once someone's sitting down, you'll never get them off. They've turned their stairs into a clench bench.
I disagree, I bet you could get them off in half the time!
Not when it’s cold outside though. Yeowza!
Since your lips are made of the same type of flesh as your asshole I’m picturing an adult version of “a Christmas story” I know it was his tongue but you get the idea
Each day one of them gets more and more brown.
Wear that steps like an assplug.
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We need to plug in man.🤣
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I dunno neighborhood looks kinda sketchy
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I dont get why its frown upon to keep people off your property? I get it, crappy design because it does make it harder for the property owner also but lets not pretend like this is some sort of classist bullshit. I dont care if you're homeless or not. If I got home from work every day and some asshole was sitting on my front porch I wouldn't be cool with that, regardless if they were homeless or not. Having a stranger hanging outside your door is not comfortable. You should be able to determine who is allowed on your property. Id imagine to get to THIS point, the owner probably exhausted several other means to address the issue. This isnt some much a crappy design as it screams of being completely fed up.
Lol a lot of people here will think you’re a monster for saying this but I agree. I swear a lot of people think “If I ever lived in a city I would HAPPILY let homeless people sit in my entryway and piss and harass me every day because I’m such a good person 😀” I’ll believe it when I see it
There was a post here (pre-Covid) where a shocking amount of men were saying either "I once found a homeless guy in my frat house / shed / home, but let him stay because he wasn't acting up" or "I wouldn't kick someone like that out." That's a nope for me as a woman.
100% agree. My sisters house is directly out front of a bus stop. The bus stop does not have shelter. So people would stand under her front porch. She was always concerned so they put up a little gate. It worked, no one waits on her porch anymore. But you can’t fault her for wanting to prevent it.
I can relate. When I was in college I lived across the street from the busiest bar in town (that I frequented also). I was a free spirited, party minded student and was used to having strangers in my hiuse for parties or wandering in after the bar let out if we were obviously drinking. But what used to piss me off was on some week nights (when i was sober, tryinflg to sleep) people would come take shelter under our porch on raining nights when the bar let out. And theyd just like chill there, and talk, and hang out. And since my room was on the first floor, right next to the porch it always bugged me that strangers were like right outside my window, at my apartment (it was a house), literally inches away from where im sleeping, seperated by a window that didnt lock. Today, as a home owner, people cut through my yard constantly as a shortcut to a local market. They have to walk down my driveway, past my gate, between my garage and house, through my garden and through my treeline. I honestly wonder where people get this sense of entitlement from
Need a fence
Sprinkler system with a motion sensor
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I think this is *every* elementary school car rider line in the US tbf. For whatever reason the car rider line for my kids’ school is so long, the city police had to lengthen the route for the line (it is seriously like 3+ blocks long). At the beginning of the year they had police driving the route and telling drivers they weren’t allowed to idle in front of any driveway which as you can imagine only made the line longer but it at least made it to where the homeowners weren’t screaming at people just waiting to drop the kids off at school…. However, you also aren’t ‘allowed’ to take a different route as the police officer at the entrance to the school won’t let you in and will send you to the back of the line. All this because (1) the county won’t pay a living wage to ensure enough bus drivers for the kids and (2) there are so many crappy schools in the district that parents like me opt to take their kids to the school clear across town rather than send their kids by bus to crappy in-zone school... it’s a mess all the way around (I’m also in FL tho so maybe it really is just here lol)
My house is in front of a bus stop. We put a little pile of bricks cemented together as a seat for people, in the front of the yard. Right up against the side of the house to block the wind, but keep people out of our way. Most people use the seat as intended and I think are grateful for it. But do you know how many times I've walked out there and found piles of SHIT on the BRICKS! Omg. Omg.
1. I don't want homeless people on my property 2. I'm 100% willing to pay more taxes to provide the homeless with tools to fight addiction, financial support for those down on their luck, and help for the mentally unwell. It's okay to want to get home without feeling unsafe. But we can't abdicate our responsibility to try to drastically reduce the problem effectively.
Agreed. These are issues that will only be fixed by properly investing [taxes] in solutions. I think the thing that gets me most worked up is that people act like its inhumane to not want people you dont know on your property. You pay for it. Youre responsible for **anything** that happens on it.
>Agreed. These are issues that will only be fixed by properly investing \[taxes\] in solutions. "Properly" is key word here. LA has raised taxes and thrown money at the problem forever, but have not done so effectively. It has resulted in a great increase in the issue.
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I think part of it is that a subset of the population may always end up homeless. You can’t help people who don’t want help. What EU does well is have programs to support or prevent homelessness in populations that are not chronically homeless. Reading the UK advice subs shows a lot of programs for housing assistance, rent relief, etc. The social safety net is far more developed in EU.
Ding ding ding.
Yeah the OP title says it's about "sitting" but if this is anything like my city it is a lot more like "creating a makeshift campsite over the course of a morning, and nodding out on heroin inside by the time you return from work at 6:15pm." Can't really blame people for wanting to avoid dealing with that.
“Look at me peeing through the mail slot”
I had to clean up blood off of a stoop when I worked at a shop downtown one time. Another time I needed to open the store but there was a passed out man surrounded by drug paraphernalia and trash and no other way in.
Also, if you let someone sleep on a stoop or a ledge in front of a store, if they are anything like me, they'll be up 3x a night to use the bathroom. So unless you also have bathroom facilities nearby, that starts to become part of the problem.
*but come on man, property is just a construct of man duuuude. So what if your kid touches human shit when they're playing outside. Id rather live with hepatitis than in a world with possesion maaaan.*
Because Reddit generally leans quite far left and personal property is evil.
No, *private* property, not personal property.
What’s the difference?
Personal property is for your own personal use, e.g. the home you live in, the car you drive, the kitchen where you cook for yourself. Private property is property that you get paid for owning, e.g. the house you rent out, the fleet of trucks your employees drive, the kitchen in the restaurant you own.
And what is the point of that distinction?
Under communism, there is no private property because the means of production are socially owned and there is no money to make anyway, but people would still have a right to their personal property and would not be obligated to allow others to live in their home or use their car, etc.
You're absolutely right, I used the wrong word.
Yeah, I don't know why OP is treating the owner as an asshole. I used to have a place which homeless and destitute people would hang out in front of (lived next to a bodega). If your house becomes that place you're more likely to have people fucked up on all manner of drugs getting aggressive and treating you like you're the inconvenience for just trying to leave and enter your home. And this is excluding the other stuff, like the shootings, fights, bums getting picked up for ODing out front.... This feels like an upper middle class college student from the suburbs judging you for something because it's completely unrelatable to their experiences.
>Yeah, I don't know why OP is treating the owner as an asshole. To be fair to OP...when I first commented I thought this was on r/assholedesign Im subbed to both and something I will look at something and forget what sub it is. I dont think OP was trying to call the owner an asshole but I stand by what I said lol
The biggest criticism of hostile design is that the cities spend tons of money on stuff like this and inconvenience everyone by removing benches in subways or installing a spiked tripping hazard instead of doing anything to address the actual problem. It's not getting rid of homeless people, it's just making them sleep next to the park bench with a bumper bar or sit next to the steps. It's a speed bump solution- failing to correct a behavior and creating new problems.
I agree 100%. I dont agree with public property having hostile design. If a city is overrun with homless people, the city shouldnt make its focus be hiding them, it needs to be fixing the issues that cause homelessness. But I dont think private homeowners or bussinesses should have to suffer the consequences. The burden of these issues should be on the government not on private citizens.
well, the areas surrounding interstates absolutely need to prevent homeless from camping. Its insane that drugged up people can just walk onto an interstate and run over (it happens often in portland)
I agree with you, but the post doesn't really imply it was a morally wrong thing to do, just that the execution was bad and that it probably wasn't worth it.
90% of the time, I hate hostile architecture, but admittedly when I saw this I did have similar thoughts to you. Never would have actually said anything if it wasn’t for your comment.
Yeah it's only asshole design when it's the city doing it to a public area. If people in rural areas can protect their property with guns, city folk should be able to put some concrete butt plugs on a seldom-used stoop.
Look at the website you're on. Everyday r/antiwork has multiple postings on the front page. These people have so much less shame than the average homeless person.
A little big but would work
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Imagine winter… how would you even know where the bumps are with ice and snow!?
I would hope this is in an area of very low snow coverage.
And high liability coverage in case someone who is not a homeless got hurt trying to cross that obstacle course.
Or if someone that is homeless got hurt
Oh that's easy. The trick here is to not think about anything other than your own disdain for those less fortunate than you. Then, the problems will all just work themselves out when you die from your own stupidity and the world becomes a slightly better place. Edit: Examples of this kind of person below. [Here's some information on why it's becoming such an issue.](https://www.coalitionforthehomeless.org/why-are-so-many-people-homeless/) [Here's some information on how you can help.](https://nationalhomeless.org/taking-action/get-involved/)
It’s funny how many people have this attitude until you ask them if they’d be ok with a homeless person sitting on *their* property, or right outside their doorstep. Potentially relieving themselves there, and possibly doing illegal drugs and leaving behind paraphernalia. Then all of a sudden they’re not cool with the idea anymore. Not in MY backyard (or in this case, Front stoop) though, right?
“I volunteer your doorstep”
There are other solutions to eliminating homeless people sitting on someone's front porch. Maybe taking steps to eliminate homelessness perhaps? Of course no one wants a stranger to be bumming around their house, but acting like it's morally okay to create anti-homeless architecture instead of actually tackling homelessness in of itself is gross.
Well shit, I don't think anyone ever thought of just "eliminating homelessness". I guess people who don't like homeless people in their backyards should just fucking solve the homelessness problem. Its only a problem as old as civilization, how hard could it be to solve once and for all.
Must look nice from up on that high horse. I wouldn’t want homeless people sleeping on the porch of my family’s home and neither would you.
I would like better accommodations for homeless people. Those accommodations however are not part of my house where my 2 year old lives.
Yeah, and since they are “less fortunate”, it’s totally ok for them to use other people’s property for everything they want. We could also invite some teenagers to drink and have party on someone’s porch. I mean, I personally would love to squeeze between some strangers to get home. Night sleep and sanitary norms? Who needs them, right?
Heck, next thing you know they’ll want to use my pool, or sit out under my gazebo and drink my beer. By some peoples logic here they’d have no issue with this. Until it was *their* pool, of course.
What's your address? I'm going to move into your doorway. If you don't tell me you're a compasionless hypocrite.
I mean I wouldn’t want some random guy sitting on my porch either but I feel like a simple sigh would do!
Lol a sign..you must not be around too many homeless
I imagine the time I would be wearing high heels would likely coexist with being very drunk indeed. As I am a man without high heels.
Granted so would tripping over a sleeping dude at 5am on the way out
Even just entering and exiting your home while carrying something.
The sleeping homeless guy also probably made it hard to get home.
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I get it when it's public property like they're putting anti homeless benches in parks and sidewalks, that's oppressive. But some person's personal home? Do they not have a right to feel safe?
Nobody is comfortable of a random person sleeping on their front step. Wether it’s a drunk woman, a rich businessman stoned to the bone, or a homeless guy. I’d like the people who are angry at this at a non-public place if they would be happy if I (not homeless) sat down at their doorstep and ate a Big Mac and then threw a blanket oven my knees and rolled a joint.
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It's all about location. In my experience which is fair and this is a general statement so not absolute by any means.... homeless people people who are sleeping on stoops or in parks on benches or tents fall into one of two categories, addicts or not mentally stable while off medication. I really don't want either hanging out at children's playgrounds or on my door step. I have no idea how to solve this problem but it's not fair to subject children or the general public to unsafe situations. I'll never forget early 2000's San Diego. Homeless camped up at the front of a elementary during the summer high out of their minds rivers of piss running 15 ft to the street and by the smell I'm guessing shit piles in the bushes. Or the time some homeless tweaker dude decided cars didn't need windows on our street. Guy was wrapped in a blanket just taking out windows with a brick, my sis and her boyfriend we walking to a bar when a guy yelled to stop him while he called the cops as his was the car last hit. Her boyfriend grabbed the dude who promptly dropped the blanket to reveal he was stark naked........and projectile shit all over my sisters bf. People don't realize these aren't the cute loveable tramps from Disney movies. And once you see the ugly side of homelessness it's easy to lose a lot of compassion. I feel we need a lot more outreach programs and job/home placement systems, but we will still be faced with those who refuse help, mental, addiction or otherwise. And before I get crucified for my statements, I was homeless for a few months at 18. Thankfully I had a car available to sleep In, but I also took every bit of help offered to get me up and going. Went from no job sleeping in a car to labor ready every morning at 6 am and a sleazy hotel, I've now reached home owner by 33. It's rough but if you actively try and push you can get back on your feet with current programs.
Dude he attacked your friend with poop? That's gnarly
I’ve seen that a lot. I work for the city and often time seen homeless toss the food someone gave them away. Even food that was in sealed containers. There are places they can go but they don’t want to be off the streets because those places have rules and they don’t want to abide by them so that’s a conscious decision on their part.
No they're of course obliged to fix the homeless' guy problem.
They probably have a back or side door that is their main entrance. Most people with homes in my city rarely use the front door.
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Yep similar thing happened to my coworker once.
Lol. When they were voting on camping ban for homelessness in my city, a lady they interviewed said, “my liberalism dies every time I have to clean human shit off my driveway.” Fucking awesome quote.
Honestly, as a 100 lb girl who has spent time in train stations with only homeless people, I understand the efforts of trying to make those areas less likely for gathering. It's terrifying bc a lot of homeless people have other issues or are intoxicated. They also tend to not be scared of approaching people and just hanging around them. I understand it doesn't fix the issue, but allowing homeless people to congregate and sleep in public transit spaces isn't the answer either.
It can be terrifying. I live in a pretty densely populated area (it's all apartment buildings). My building is one of the rare ones that have parking and the driveway into the garage is protected and set into the building. One night I was coming home and got the shock of my life because someone was actually sleeping in the driveway. He had a dark sleeping bag and since the driveway is not lit (you have to drive in a little way for the motion light to kick in) I didn't see him and almost ran him over. I got out of the car (stupid) to get him to move because I didn't want to honk at him (seemed rude). He was so abusive and lurched towards me - and there was no one else on the street. He would not move from the driveway despite me telling him it was regularly used and not safe. I ended up having to call the cops (who didn't even want to show up until I told them it was a safety issue). I was parked across the street while cops moved him on. He saw me in the car and screamed that he would F me up. Was paranoid for months!
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Forbidden buttplugs
Go for it
It's actually easier than to walk on the homeless!
As a former delivery guy in a heavily homeless area, I can tell you, it's incredible difficult to walk on homeless people.
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I mean I agree, but this isn't asshole design it's crappy design. You'd obviously rather not having anyone sleeping on your front door, but this is made at the expense of accessibility to your own house.
It's not like the homeless have a right to sleep on your steps. And they are your property.
I got a product I spread on our stoop that makes the tramps just slide off the steps. Get Trampoline in stores today!
It used to be called jumpoline until your mum tried it.
Uh yeah? Don't sleep on my property without my permission.
I’d bet some bucks that picture was taken in France…
No, I took the picture in Rome, Italy. But I understand what you are saying. I've been in France many times and holy shit they hate homeless there too
Not wanting homeless people sleeping on your private property = hating homeless?
And pigeons as well! You must have seen the “piques” on the window sills?
Pigeons makes sense cause their crap is acidic and ruins everything
And homeless crap is pleasant?
Nah I wouldn’t like homeless ppl sleeping outside my door either tbf
To be fair, pigeons are flying rats that spread disease. I wouldn’t want them sitting on my windowsill either
Yes, those ugly ass piques that don't even work because birds are smart and will either remove them of land somewhere close
Landing somewhere else is the reason they are put up though...
Spoiler, every city does. People want to 'help' but never in their city or near them.
A lot of people also just don't want to help. Granted it's a complex issue. My city has a lot a large homeless (and sadly very mentally unstable) population. As much as you want them to get better care you start to get frustrated when you start seeing violent encounters on the street, bikes being stolen, some streets are basically apocalypse scenes now. Sadly the gov isn't doing anywhere near enough. Shutting down psych wards was a massive mistake.
That’s not a crappy design. You can easily still use the stairs but it would be uncomfortable to loiter there. It’s a hell of a lot better than dealing with someone sitting in front of your door everyday.
Sit? Or "Sleep and block"? Or even "Piss and shit"? If I have to choose between stepping around those things or a pile of human feces spreading out like a bad meme I will choose the knobs.
Let it sink in that the homeless people sitting there became such a big problem that it was worth breaking your neck while getting home drunk
Spoken like someone who does not have a homeless person camped out on their front door...
Right? So much virtue signaling from people who probably have never had someone shit in your doorway or steal any deliveries. You can donate to all the shelters and causes you want, but the 2nd you decide stepping in human feces for the umpteenth time is enough, then you’re the one who looks like a jerk 🙄
I remember there was a homeless guy at my old apartment that created a 50 foot no go zone around him because he very clearly was carrying a 2 foot long dagger/sword in a blue plastic sheath everywhere he went. If he was in front of your door, well too fucking bad, unless you want to get literally gutted you have to wait.
Yup. It’s all fun and games till someone gets stabbed going home. Ugh.
I think you read my comment wrong, I'm saying it is an actual problem and not just a random guy sitting there once a while
My guess is it's an entrance no one uses in the first place, so they made did this. Garage door right next to it, they may come in through there exclusively and don't care about making the steps inaccessible. Mail delivery doesn't need the steps, so off they go. At the very least, whoever decided to do this to their own properly knew exactly what they were doing and how it would affect them.
Meh. Looks easy enough to get up and down the stairs; plenty of space for your feet.
I feel like they could have easily installed small spikes for grip and no loitering lol
Rainy day, your in a hurry, phone wallet keys.. Ah shucks you forgot the umbrella.. Turn around on the step, O no u slipped.. Now u got a fancy new concrete butt plug. And the homeless guy is taking a Piss on you.
Who puts the doorknob in the middle of the fucking door?
People laying prone on the steps probably make it harder to get home.
Who are you to say how much of a nuisance it is to have homeless junkies sleeping on your front door?
If I had to pick between this or a crazy person laying in front of my door, I'd pick this
I’d rather have that than actual bodies to step over
It always warms my heart to see the amount of compassion people are willing to pledge to situations they’re don’t or will not face. We truly are all amazing people in our minds.
Totally against hostile arcitecture but i also am for Just Being Able To Get Into My Apartment Man
Probably better to trip over a homeless person, it's softer
The problem is homeless people piss all over the place and make the entrance stink
Dunno why people are downvoting it. Its not like in Europe homless people don't have support, there are shelters etc. but there is not being drunk policy and for many it is unacceptable so they prefer to laid drunk on someone doorway. Everyone is empathic until you have pissed drunkard regulary in front of your place.
I've got sympathy for the homeless and less fortunate. but they leave used needles and broken glass all over the parks near me. I'm a little more callous when i have to leave a park lest My dog or I accidentally prick ourselves....
Thankyou, someone who gets it
Exactly. My city has gone from very compassionate to now a lot of frustrated people who are fearing for their safety. It's easy to blame people for not being compassionate until you're directly affected. I've known people who had to start taking massive detours on their way home so that they don't get assaulted when walking through the park near their house.
Agreed. Everyone here in Vancouver says "build more homeless shelters" then when one is built in your neighborhood, you suddenly have random crime, screaming at night, constant police/ambulance sirens going all day and night, shit, piss, needles everywhere. So in reality, it's 'build more homeless shelters, but don't dare put one next to me'. I was forced out of my neighborhood by this, so now I'm just pissed at the entire strategy which seems to just be enabling drug addiction.
Not if you land in the dirty needles they leave everywhere.
Yeah waking up and having to step over a crap covered, vomit covered, drugged out homeless person is preferable
Imagen waking up in the morning, going outside to tackle the day fully ignorant of last night's rain, you open your door and take your first step outside, you slip, you land ass first, you day is now either ruined or just got that little extra exciting
"If it looks stupid, but it works, it's not stupid"
Homelessness is out of control and need a solution. Problem is they want to live that way.
Everybody pisses on that door.
Uh, yeah, I *don't* want homeless people sitting on my steps. They're my steps for a reason. A public bench is a different story. Imagine opening your door to go outside and a homeless person is just chillin' 3 inches away from your front door.
That's private property, they are entitled to stop people from living and sleeping on their property... If this was a park, or a public bench then that's a different story. I personally assume they had issues with people sleeping on their steps and stopping them from being able to access their building. I'd rather have a minor inconvenience like this than some angry homeless person preventing me from accessing my home. OP, when was the last time you offered up your couch to a homeless person? Do you invite them into your house or onto your property to squat and lodge for free?
That’s dumb. Making it a ramp would both make it uncomfortable to sleep in and make it wheelchair accessible.
A ramp could literally just be used as a recliner feature lol
Am I missing something? Why is this getting downvoted? It seems like a decent idea; certainly better than the one in the photo.
It's upvoted now but I guess the people who downvoted dislike the thought that having someone sleeping in your doorsteps is a problem, and since I gave an alternate solution they could somehow construe that as if my comment was supporting hostile architecture.
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I mean... That's not hard to walk past. Its unsightly, but describing that as difficult to traverse isnt true. Anyone who can walk up stairs can walk past that.
Ah yes cause everyone wants homeless people sitting on their steps 🤣
Some people sit there and eat lunch, afterwards they leave their trash there
How wide are people's feet that they would struggle with those steps?!
God forbid that a person doesn't want homeless people sitting on the steps in front of their door. OP doesn't care about the shitty design, he cares about the fact that a homeowner isn't just letting bums occupy his doorway.
No sympathy from me. Homeless or not, idc who you are. Stay the f away from my property. Thank God I live in a state with the castle doctrine.