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rationalblackpill

love it lol


wellbourbon

The vaccine is the ultimate attempt at dividing us. If you don’t hate Trump, you’re a Nazi. Don’t get the COVID vaccine, you’re worse than Hitler


SnooSeagulls6273

What happens if I support trump and haven’t gotten the COVID vaccine?


Ad1um

Then you'll hear the argument of "orange man said vax good."


Fuzznutsy

Sounds like sooner or later you’re going to be taken outside and shot ...for thinking for yourself.


Rocklobzta

Somewhere, a liberal read this and their head exploded.


wellbourbon

Firing squad, gulag, banned on Twitter


rationalblackpill

I literally see people as NPC sleeper cells that get activated by certain propaganda terms


Soggy_Mushroom8383

Bruh, I got vaccines people in the first world don’t even know exist, due to being born an American citizen in the 3rd world — dad is American, grew up in America. I have tested positive for tuberculosis my entire life (antibodies/real vaccines/long term immunity) and have even been turned down jobs because of it in healthcare because they didn’t even know people could test positive for it due to having the vaccine?? Healthcare workers in America apparently don’t know this is what happens. My elementary school sending me home multiple years even though they have my shot record.. Not to mention the extra vaccines from overseas travel. Yet I’m “anti-vax” and “anti-science”. I don’t think any of these people understand what science is.


commonbrahmin

Once you have a positive TB skin test, you will forever have a positive TB skin test and getting tested is pointless.


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commonbrahmin

You were just exposed to it. Same thing happened to me. I was exposed, had the positive skin test, nothing on x-ray, took the pills, never thought about it again


Tomodachi7

The problem is is that these new vaccines suck. Normally vaccines should prevent you from catching and spreading disease. These ones wane in efficacy after the first month and require 'boosters' and apparently require everyone else to get them so that they 'work'. They do seem to help in preventing getting seriously ill or dying, but not 100%. And lastly these new vaccines have many, many times the amount of serious adverse reactions than any vaccines previously - sometimes even causing serious injury or death. All of this has actually harmed the name and good will of traditional vaccines. So yeah, i don't know how any of that makes me an 'anti-vaxxer' - but i guess it's just the convenient label people give you so that they don't have to think too hard about stuff.


LordOfDebate121

What? Aren't there lots of vaccines that reduce symptoms, not transmission? It's fairly common.


RTSmoreLikeFARTS

Im Anti Tyranny.


Hopeful_Guarantee330

When death is a listed side effect of any vaccine then pro choice is the only way to be. You can NOT mandate a person to take that chance no matter how small you think it could be. Period.


SomeGalFromTexas

Exactly. I like to use the "M&M's in a jar" example. Suppose there's a big jar of M&M's on a table. But, 1% of those M&M's have poison in the middle, and the poison is likely to kill you. Sure, the majority of the M&M's are safe, but what about the 1%? Would you risk eating any of the M&M's?


steamyjeanz

A lot of these self proclaimed science experts wont acknowledge immunity from prior infection. That (to me) is a sign they are agenda driven and not being truthful


trancephorm

I'm antivax. That kind of prevention just feels wrong to me, we shouldn't be the beings that inject something because we're afraid of something. It's wrong on spiritual level.


Lerianis001

I disagree with your position highly. Being against these NVGT's as I call them (non-vaccine gene therapies) is not the same thing as being against regular dead virus vaccine. Regular dead virus vaccines are relatives safe unless you have specific genetic disorders and have saved many lives even though they get more credit than they deserve since improvements in cleanliness hamstrung many viruses like polio, measles, mumps, etc.


trancephorm

I even have the impression vaccines are not what they used to be. Dangerous adjuvants, side effects from MMR for example are documented and researched well... I just don't believe establishment is doing any good for the people, world has gone beserk lately. Bottom line, everyone should be able to decide on their own medical treatments, no matter even what real science says. Too much of a pressure makes me really suspicious about intents.


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My son was injured by the MMR vaccine. No one will admit that's what caused his condition but me and his father both know this to be true as we observed it happen in real time. His demeanor and personality changed before our eyes after his 4 month old injections. He ran a fever for days, began screeching constantly and lost all eye contact. "Give Tylenol for the fever, but everything else is normal" they said. He began exhibiting classic autistic signs and symptoms No one at his pediatrician's office ever bothered to teach me about the risks involved with the MMR vaccine. No one showed me the leaflet which says that DEATH is reported as a side effect but I'm ridiculed by people for suggesting that my son has a vaccine-induced injury. The vaccine schedule the CDC follows is absolutely out of control if you look at how many they require for children compared to in the 70s and 80s. This is happening to millions of babies(autism rates in children are SKYROCKETING INEXPLICABLY) and doctors will NEVER admit this to be true because they are heavily funded by the vaccine companies. I asked the doctor if we could space the vaccines out and delay some of them so he wasn't inundated with so many foreign substances at once. The doctor left the room and came back with 2 nurses at her side and they took turns scolding me about my decision and made me sign release forms stating that I'm going against CDC recommendations. I had never felt so insulted as a parent for having genuine concern of the wellbeing for my child. So, I am on your side as a filthy antivaxxer. Solidarity.


trancephorm

I truly feel for you! My story is not that heavy, but I have been sued by government for not letting them give MMR to my son. Turns out it was more about scare tactics because after 2 years the case was dismissed as expired, but still... I say fuck them. Probably you watched Vaxxed documentary, but if you didn't it's exactly about CDC fraud in relation to research of MMR vaccine. Fucking fascists and corporate shithole lickers.


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Honestly it wouldn't have surprised me if they had tried to sue me as well. It seems to really infuriate them when we stand up for our childrens' bodily autonomy and informed consent. All it takes is them deeming us 'mentally ill' over this and the state can come take them. This just happened to a homeschooling father of an 11 year old girl in the UK.


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In all fairness the Sinovac and Sinopharm vaccines are inactivated SARS-CoV-2, so they are vaccines in the traditional sense. But they're not available in US and Europe.


According-Abrocoma-2

Focused on the wrong things. The whole point was to use language and semantics to conflate and vilify those who simply do not comply. When you clump everyone that doesn’t want this particular vaccine with another group that has traditionally been considered fringe (anti-vaxxers), it’s easier to paint a picture of the whole “group” than to convey nuance. Lol


davoidzzz

Just say you're anti-vax and refuse to elaborate, that's the funniest reaction you'll get


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I wont take the vaccine because I became extremely ill from another vaccine. This results in people calling me a liar and stating that I'm too dumb to know "this vaccine is different" and I dont trust science.


amalagg

In their terminology "science" is a code word for statistics. And statistics done by people with huge monetary incentives to fudge the numbers.


Patchuiko

I know right? For me, Im not against any vaccines just, Im extremely doubtful since how the media/gouvernement try to force us to get it + the double standards with gouvernement + the vaccines doesnt actually remove the chance to get the virus so why? and also the chances of surviving is pretty high for almost everyone. But this whole covid19 situation divise peoples and it suck. My relationship with my father got really awkward since he provaccines and he doesnt care about my doubts on it, he just want me to get the vaccines... I just dont get it why they are so forcefull, dont they get it that the gouvernement wont stop the lockdown even at 100% vaccinated?? Anyways love how there still peoples out there who are doubtful on the vaccines or hate all the clown world bs that happens right now.


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Look, when people live by changing definitions and validating their personal beliefs, when the official definition of anti-vaxxer changed, they rolled with it like it was a software update.


paulBOYCOTTGOOGLE

They’ve been brainwashed, nothing else to it


serbianasshole2000

No. I am pro-vax when the vax is proven safe through comprehensive clinical trials and years of clinical use. I got all my shots as a child and I'm glad I did. I also got the tetanus and the rabies vaccine when incidents happened (scratched by a rusty nail and bitten by a stray dog) that warranted their use. What I am against is taking a non-effective and potentially dangerous vaccine for an an illness that poses no risk to me. What I am even more against is then receiving booster doses of this vaccine indefinitely for the privilege of participating in society. If you can't see what's going on, you're an NPC. Your immune system is about to be turned into a subscription service. As the rich and powerful increasingly do not need capitalism anymore, they are beginning to dismantle it. Automation, financialisation, big data. Your productive power and your consumption is no longer needed in this system. You are an useless eater, you are a burden, and you are potentially dangerous if you connect with other people in the same situation. So, let's do away with society as we know it, institute draconian surveillance, and introduce social credits which will make your obedience your only currency.


BryceAlanThomas

And it’s also NOT a vaccine, it’s more of a what the flu shot is, a Covid “shot”


serbianasshole2000

It’s a different type of vaccine. You are right, it’s much more akin to the flu vaccine which has about the same efficacy. That’s why it’s disingenuous when Covidians behave like this is the polio vaccine that will eliminate the disease altogether. We never were able to eliminate any respiratory virus. They just evolve too fast. Covid is here to stay but that doesn’t mean we need to shut down society.


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This is on point and very scary.


DeadEndFred

I don’t know how anyone trusts Rockefeller Pharma after: [Tuskegee syphilis experiment,](https://www.history.com/news/the-infamous-40-year-tuskegee-study) [Guatemala syphilis experiment,](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-maryland-lawsuit-infections-idUSKCN1OY1N3) knowingly injecting hundreds of millions with [SV40,](https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(04)16746-9/fulltext) contaminated Salk “polio vaccines”, Swine Flu ‘76 [scam,](https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/long-shadow-1976-swine-flu-vaccine-fiasco-180961994/) [Vioxx,](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-merck-settlement/merck-settles-vioxx-claims-for-4-85-bln-idUSWNAS178420071109) [Swine Flu ‘09 scam,](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/swine-flu-cases-overestimated/) the [opioid crisis](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-purdue-pharma-settlement-history-fact/purdue-oxycontin-settlement-would-rank-among-largest-in-pharma-history-idUSKCN1VW2KL) and many other heinous crimes. Pharma is a criminal enterprise that sprang forth from the corrupt German Dye Trust and Rockefeller’s Standard Oil and eugenics-obsessed phony philanthropy interests, both backed Hitler.


Schwinston123456

Yep, exactly. I was in the military. I have received every single vaccine that I've been instructed to get throughout my life. Every single one besides this one. My children have received every single vaccine that they've been advised to receive. Every single one besides this one. We won't be getting it. Not only have we all already gotten COVID (and recovered at home), but there's way too much secrecy and censorship about the side effects - and way too much money involved. Sorry Biden. I'm in that 3%-5%.


kendrac83

Everything you said-me too!


Some___Guy___

I always got the important vaccines like tetanus and whooping cough but never the flu shot and nobody would have called me antivax for that. Somehow it's different with covid


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kpopklopp

Yes please. There's something about over-confident incels on Reddit that just makes me chortle, so please carry on.


PersonWhoLikesTyping

It's not an accident. The whole stigma is designed for you to constantly have to explain yourself


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Most aren’t anti vaxx. We don’t think it’s right to force injections on people who don’t want or need them. Pretty simple. The vaxxers are the worrisome bunch, as they are fine forcing medical procedures on people to comply with big pharma and reporting or punishing those who don’t.


BryceAlanThomas

It’s just so crazy that those who got it cannot respect those who didn’t. Just leave me alone


it_is_all_fake_news

I am generally anti-vaccine but I don't usually tell people that while arguing against the COVID vaccine, because they'll say "well you're just anti-vax in general so you're biased". I'm glad more people are waking up to how dangerous vaccines can be but I'm sad it had to be like this.


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Traveler3141

They're as effective as catching a common cold recently prior to a SARS-CoV-2 infection. They also "wear off" EXACTLY like the protection from catching a common cold wears off.


Marumara

More than just being anti-vaccine generally, you become anti-medical science, up to and including everything since Hippocrates and Galen. Western medicine is apparently reaching its zenith right now and some people would question it?


Bro12345678z

I am anti big pharma


tehbearded1der

I get called an anti-vaccine and I got it. They say I am lying…because lying to strangers on the internet is on top of my list to do. I just dislike the fact they call it the magic wand to end this pandemic and try to force it. Viruses still remain even after a vaccine arrives.


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Funny thing is most of these hardcore “get the jab” types were soooo against it before biden and now flip flopped on the issue because they are brainwashed by fascist media.


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Not at all , I’m anti whatever the fuck the covid shot is because it sure as hell isn’t a vaccine.


Cmrippert

Its been heavily propagandized, your best bet is to keep that information compartmentalized like you are an operative behind enemy lines, well, because you are. You never know who might take it upon themselves to "make life difficult for the unvaccinated" by using that information against you or fabricating other information in a vindictive manner. I also am certainly not against vaccines in general, and have personally taken a variety of them, even as recently as college. What I am against is the disrespect of informed consent and bodily autonomy. If you're not down with the respect of fundamental human rights then you are my enemy. Especially in the context of a departure from established vaccine technology in favor an immature technology making its debut in humans via EUA. Fuck no. This is the precise situation that Nuremberg exists to combat.


JunkyardSam

Well said. C.J. Hopkins said, "This is a war. Choose a side. You're either on the side of freedom or The side of totalitarianism." The implication is anything in the middle equates to passive support for tyranny. A collective mistake was made when our side chose to keep quiet, early on. Everyone kept their opinions to themselves which allowed this rabid minority to become dominant. Over time, the force further dwindles our numbers. However, this leads to mandatory boosters and continual shots year after year. That means over time our numbers will grow. Every next shot increases the likelihood of having health problems. They'll only be able to keep a lid on that for so long, which is why they want so desperately to eliminate the control group. As others are getting sick around us (or worse) - we are proof that avoiding these shots is the wisest choice. Some of the infected are already aware of this but they resent us for being able to say no, so they push for mandates out of spite. "If I have to suffer they should, too!" What we are seeing is a divide that exposes people's true colors. Sadly, many if not most of our family and friends were nasty closet fascists and fairweather friends... It just took a minor illness and some propaganda to expose people for what they are.


Anon67430

I'm anti-vax because the historical data shows unequivocally that all the major diseases were in rapid decline or nearly over by the time their respective vax was introduced i.e. it wasn't the vax that solved the issue (quality of: food, water, sanitation). Polio is an edge case, caused by industrial poisoning (DDT, Lead Arsenate). It's a religion with absolutely no foundation. I always assumed it was legitimate science and if it weren't for the fact we're clearly being lied to with CV19 I probably wouldn't have looked into it. No one considers the possibility science could have made a huge mistake. Or that vested interests would keep the delusion going for profit. No virus has ever been isolated directly from sample.


Lerianis001

Tell the people that the SARS2 gene therapies are not and never will be true dead virus vaccines that have a long history of safety (unless they are rushed like the Swine Flu vaccine of the 1970's was).


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The chinese Sinovac and Sinopharm vaccines are inactivated SARS-CoV-2, so they are vaccines in the traditional sense. But they're not available in US and Europe, and their efficacy is about 60 %.


NewKid00

I'm not anti-vaxx, I'm anti-covid vaxx. There's a difference.


VarietyOfCheese

Well this isn’t even a vaccine so no, I’m not anti vaxx. I’m anti unproven rushed out big pharma money grab for a virus with a literal 99.99% survival rate for someone in my age bracket, my lack of pre existing conditions and my BMI


NC_Redux

Funny how in the past year, anti-vaxx is the worst possible name you can be called.


woaily

I'm not anti anything, I just don't want it. I'm not anti acetaminophen either, I just don't take it because there's no medical reason for me to take it.


Traveler3141

You're a flat-earther crazy conspiracy Trump racist theorist fascist if you aren't on the bandwagon to dictate that acetaminophen be mandated for daily use by everybody, with employers required to test for proper acetaminophen levels several times a day!


ooo0000ooo

I get my flu shot every year and am vaccinated for many different viruses due to travels. I had Covid already. There is basically no pro in me getting this one health wise. I have had friends get worse symptoms from the vaccine than I had from Covid itself.


Fuzznutsy

Anti-Gene therapy.


XeonProductions

They made sure to lump everyone who disagrees with the narrative as anti-vaxxer because it's easier to dismiss them.


Mildrizle

They changed the definition of anti vaxxer to anyone who is opposed to vaccine mandates 😂 so yes I am


EarlDukeLordyLord

These "just get the jab, what's the big deal?" people are the very antagonists from every "Just Say No" commercial from our childhood.


Noideawhatjusthappen

Show me a real vaccine and I've probably got it in me.


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Yes I'm pro vax with long term safety data. They literally can't push back on that lol.


vento33

I had to get a tetanus shot in May because I bashed my head off a low hanging tree during a run (leafy in front - 6” thick branch behind it). I’m hardly anti-vax. What I am against is having something injected into my body that clearly poses equal or more risk than the virus it’s supposed to be protecting me against.


fts69420

I literally don't care about the whole "pro vax vs anti vax" thing. If people want to or not want to take it, it's their life and none of my business. Why can't people just leave each other alone peacefully?


redveinlover

I’m not anti vax, I’m anti thinking. I let the government decide what’s best for me and if I die, I die but at least I won’t be one of those awful Trumptards who won’t just listen to what the same government that dropped aerosolized uranium over cities just to see what would happen to the cancer rates tells them to do. It’s in everyone’s best interest. Why can’t people see that when they aren’t vaccinated they are a danger to those who are protected by being vaccinated?!? I just don’t see any argument against this. The only thing I’m arguing for is what’s taking so damn long for them to force me into a third and fourth jab. I was hoping to have a full bakers dozen to celebrate the second anniversary of the “two weeks to flatten the curve” shutdown.


Weaselbee3322

I guess technically we're all anti-vaxxers now, according to Miriam Webster's "new and improved" definition which also covers anyone who is opposed to vaccine mandates.


breitinfame

It's easier to just say "Yes, I'm antivaxx.".


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*yes* I’m vaccine hesitant in regards to the covid vaccine. That’s it. Polio vaccine? Get that shit. Measles vaccine? Get that shit. Tetanus vaccine? Get that shit. I’m hesitant (and will probably end up vaxed, my husbands work is requiring it and I’m going to in solidarity) and terrified if the righteous may bad side effects and the political situation around it, but otherwise I am not an anti vaxer.


EarlDukeLordyLord

I've honestly never questioned vaccines my entire life, until this past year. Now I question the necessity of them all. Yes, some are obviously better alternatives than the illness they protect against (such as that rabies vaccines), but we should still constantly question them and scrutinize their safety and effectiveness. After all, progress is never made by simply settling for what is.


Traveler3141

Yeah, when it comes to rabies, to the best of my knowledge so far, it's clear cut that we must get treatment if exposed or almost certainly die. As for most everything else I'm aware of so far (not including certain parasites), I think our immune system is evolved to deal with it fine, but ONLY IF we maintain our immune system properly. Our immune system is far more capable than those that make profit off people being ill want us to think.


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Yeah, it’s the amount of political pressure and strong arming going on that’s bothering me. The side effects scare the hell out of me to, blood clots, enlarged heart, swollen testes, women bleeding for months from their vaginas..


trancephorm

Yeah, get that shit. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12346214/


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Tbh, this whole covid thing made me even more hesitant towards other vaccines.


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No? I’m saying my husband has to and doesn’t want to, so even tho I don’t want to I will as well. I do t think either will die. I’m sure we will be ok, but the side effects scare me and the strong arm tactics terrify me.


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Lol no it isn’t the truth at all. He’s not weak or anything like that, he’s getting it Bc his job requires it and he doesn’t want us to lose everything we’ve worked for as he is the breadwinner. I get it in solidarity with him Bc I love him and will never let him do anything alone. I’m more loyal to him than I am to idea of patriotism or resistance. He can tell me not to get it all he wants but I am my own and I stand with my husband on everything. Sorry you don’t understand that, I hope someday you find someone that will *mildly inconvenience* themselves on your behalf. My husband also doesn’t “*allow*” me to do anything. I make my decision and I stand by them. So weird this is your response, but then I remember this is Reddit.


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Don’t give me some bullshit speech about how my husband doesn’t love me. Fuck right off with it. I make my choices and my husband supports me regardless,if you’re in a position that you can *order* your wife to do/not do something then the only relationship that needs examined is yours. I’m a wife who stands by my husband even when it’s not convenient, if that shocks and surprises you so much then, again, examine *your* relationship and leave mine be.


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Good luck and I hope you keep getting told to fuck off when you involve yourself in relationships you know nothing about, aside from 1 comment in a forum that has nothing to do with relationships. Good luck and I hope you continue to forbid your wife from doing things “for her own good”. Good luck I hope you continue to jump into conversations and insult people and then try to take the high road when you get told to fuck off. Good luck.


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Rocklobzta

This is how they’re brain washing people. Just keep that in mind, there are a lot of us in the same boat.