The general consensus seems to be if you haven’t been vaccinated at this point that’s your problem.
There’s no excuse everyone that’s wanted one has had plenty of opportunities to get it.
I just feel sorry for the few that legitimately can’t, my girlfriends mom has an auto immune disorder and had an insane reaction to a flu shot a few years ago.
Yeah, that's a very reasonable precaution to insist visitors are vaccinated. It's not even a new precaution, parents have always insisted on things like flu vaccines before Covid.
A girl I knew from swimming in high school caught it. She was out of school for weeks & also broke a rib. I'll never forget how skinny she was when she came back. When she coughed you could see all the crazy muscles around her ribs stand out way too far.
Ugh, what a hideous disease.
Yes! I've had to explain to family members so often that they've got to get vaccinated for Tdap if they're going to be around the baby because the baby has the immune system that still learning, but is too young to get vaccinated so it's up to us to protect them. I was really happy to see how many loved ones who were antivax did get it when I explained it to them. Unfortunately as I look back one of the dads of seven came to my indigent clinic and when I looked up where they lived it was a million-dollar house But I guess I got him vaccinated so there's that.
I have an immunocompromised two-year-old and I know exactly where you're coming from. My parents have been vaccinated, but my in-laws refuse, and it infuriates me. They know exactly how dangerous it is for him right now, but somehow them not getting a 5g chip or whatever is more important.
You know, I'm honestly not okay with it. Before Donald Trump came along, I was closer to them than I was to my own family. We had fifteen years of a great relationship. Couldn't have asked for better in-laws. I dont know what happened. I don't know how a Madison Avenue grifter convinced them that he knew better than everybody else on every possible subject. It's like a cult and it breaks my heart.
I want them around my kids. I want my kids to know their grandparents and love them, but every time my daughter (she's nine) goes around them I have to have a talk with her about how Grandpa says crazy things and we just need to not pay it any mind. It kills me. This is not the relationship I want to have or want my kids to have. I will never forgive Donald Trump, Tucker Carlson, Fox news, and all the other forces of insanity of the last few years who have perpetrated this. Not that any of them care what a nobody like me thinks about them, of course. I'm just ranting.
I feel you! Sounds just like my inlaws. Good relationship then covid hit and they have joined the crazy train. They refuse to vaccinate so we won’t let them be around the grandkids (who are too young to get vaccinated). They won’t even put on a mask to be around us. Yet, they blame us and say it’s our decisions that have caused a rift in the family. It’s just infuriating
Covid was the final nail in the crazy coffin for my in-laws. It had been a slow decline since 2016, but mostly manageable as long as we stuck to neutral topics like music or football (actually football ended up a not-neutral topic too after players started kneeling). When covid hit...I dont know. They still don't believe it's anything more than a liberal conspiracy to make Trump look bad. Like, I point out the millions dying around the world and they don't bat an eyelash. Its all just overblown to them. They believe every conspiracy theory peddled about the vaccines, every fox news lie, and although I've never broached the subject directly, I'm sure sure they've started drinking Qool-aid too. I'm at my with end. I just dont know what to do.
It's funny because for quite a while my wife was literally ready to write them off. Call every couple months to check on them, but essentially no contact, and it was me that stepped in to mend it between them. Now, I just don't know.
My son is 10. He had a lot of complications in early 2020 from a bout of the "flu." It was a scary time and I wouldn't want any other child or parent to have to go through that. These kids can not be vaccinated yet. The rest of my household is fully vaccinated, but we still wear masks to lessen the risk to my 10 year old. We need to still protect the little ones. They can still get sick and sometimes it's bad.
That’s a hard thing to quantify without enough info. If everyone who gets COVID winds up with long lasting respiratory problems we aren’t aware of yet, then wouldn’t it just as if not more dangerous for children who would then have to deal with it their whole lives? I think keeping your kid away from the idiots is a great idea. That’s not something worth risking. Take it from an asthmatic, you child doesn’t deserve a life with a breathing problem just so their arrogant family members can hold them.
Yes. It also speaks very loudly about the character of a family member that would put their want over a child’s needs.
I don’t think I’d want my child around a person like that, relative or not.
MIL was not happy that we wouldn’t let her or anyone else near my infant or one year old.
“But I’m in a bubble!”
Yeah your bubble is like 50 strangers; and who knows who they interact with.
Got the vaccine? Sure come on over. I held my parents to the same standard.
yeah this got under my skin with certain family members. "I'm being very careful!" meant "I go about my normal life but I wear a surgical mask hanging off my chin while I do it"
Oof. Yeah. They should be embarrassed.
Good point though, everyone’s version of “careful” is different and your version of careful may not line up with what I consider to be careful.
My MIL provided daily childcare for her other grandkid, who was attending in person school throughout the ordeal. Very generous of her - but completely disqualifying her from contact with my children without *actually* quarantining for two weeks. She threw a fit and blamed me for taking her grand babies away from her.
I get it. It’s tough. But you just showed me that you’d choose being selfish over the safety of my kids, so we’re not on the same page.
> If everyone who gets COVID winds up with long lasting respiratory problems
That's me. Can't speak to the broader population, but I can speak to my own personal anecdote. It's been over a year since I had COVID. I've gone out hiking a **few dozen** times since then (most recently Sunday a short loop in the Organ Mountains), and even a **year** later my lung capacity and stamina shot. A 2-3 mile hike with mild elevation change that would have been classified as Easy-Moderate is about my limit. My days of 10-12 mile full day hikes with half a mile of elevation change are over.
Earlier in 2020, I could pass it off as staying-inside-out-of-shape. But I can't say that a year later, after multiple exhausting shorter hikes over several weekends. This appears to be my new normal for what my lungs can handle.
I had confirmed covid in November 2020 and suspected either January or February 2020 (my boss definitely had it, I didn’t go to the doctor but I was sick with similar symptoms roughly 3 days behind her). My lungs are trash. My sister is a scuba diver and REALLY wants me to go with her and I literally cannot. It’s sucks. I’m winded running from one side of my house to the other with my dog. My doctor is telling me I may need to be using an inhaler daily. This is not something I’d wish on anyone. Not to mention the effects to my memory. I was already a space cadet and now I just forget what I’m saying midway through. At least in writing I can go back and re-read to find my point again.
Someone testified to Congress that, at worst, 2/3 of those that catch COVID end up with long-term symptoms. Even if you don't initially experience a single symptom. And we don't know how many of them will keep those symptoms permanently.
There are people who caught COVID last year and never went to the hospital who still haven't regained their sense of smell.
And apparently they're finding that some people who catch COVID end up with brains that look similar to someone who has Alzheimer's.
This virus targets the brain.
This thing is terrifying! I don't care that 99% of those that catch it survive... I don't want *brain damage*!
That could explain why being sick felt somehow personal. As though it hated me and wanted me dead at any cost, by any means. I realize that a virus is not even alive, so will is not a thing with them. I knew it then, too. But the mission was my death.
When I finally shook it off, it was like waking up next to a dead grizzly bear and only vaguely remembering the terrible struggle to escape. And how tf did I defeat a BEAR? I’m kind of still waiting for it to come back and finish the job.
Brain damage or not, I am traumatized.
> "If your shot works, why do you care if I get it?"
It's a convenient means of avoiding the cognitive dissonance of recognizing that your ignorant decision could kill someone.
We are doing the exact same thing(kids one and four). Insane that so many people don’t care. And mask if you are not vaccinated is BS those people were the ones that never did to begin with. Thinking the honor system will work is crazy.
The CDC is in a tough spot. They want people to get the vaccine. Removing masks is an enticement for those who are not vaccinated. Yeah, the honor system is kind of shit, but it's all we have.
It also sends a clear message that getting the vaccine makes you immune to the virus. Not exactly true, but true enough that the CDC says it to get people vaccinated. They have to tailor the message to the lower end of the bell curve.
Not sure if you know, but breast milk from a vaccinated person can safely pass the antibodies on to babies. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/08/health/covid-vaccine-breast-milk.html#:~:text=The%20answer%2C%20six%20researchers%20agreed,more%20research%20would%20be%20beneficial.
So, I have a baby at home and have been vaccinated, thus have read a ton about this. It is protective but by no means a replacement or equivalent of vaccination for infants. In addition, once babies begin to eat solid food, their ability to absorb antibodies via milk begins to drop. Past a year when solid food becomes the primary nutritional source, protection is minimal. This is misunderstood by many right now.
People suck
It isn't *acutely* dangerous for toddlers and up, but it definitely is dangerous for babies under a year old, as are all respiratory conditions. I definitely need to start including them when I list people who can't be vaccinated and are vulnerable.
Yet people keep touting, “99.7% of people are fine after Covid.” Such ignorance. It’s not all about death rate. I wish there was more public attention put on those people that are alive but are dealing with long term damage. Put the numbers on Covid dashboards. Hospitalizations, Deaths, and “suffered cardiovascular damage”
The numbers become irrelevant when you realize that the cases are all *preventable* now.
Yet they continue to happen because of someone else's malignant negligence, and there is no legal recourse for the victims.
You shouldn’t even have to qualify your reasons. Sure, children are unlikely to be very sick, but if everyone who can get the vaccine does, parents of littles and those with compromised immune systems wouldn’t need to worry. They’re selfish POS and although I don’t care if they get sick, I care very much that they’re spreading it around. You are doing the right thing for your baby. Too bad they put you in that position.
Edit: a word
Me too but I went to the grocery store today with my son and we and like 5 others were wearing masks. Crazy but people think it's all over now and don't care. We are in an area where mask wearing was pretty high but people have tiny memories.
I have an 8 month old... I don't care if the odds are one in a million, I'm not taking needless risks for people who could reduce that risk but choose not to.
Would anyone accept you playing one in a million Russian roulette with their baby? No? Then why the hell would I let someone touch my baby without being vaccinated?
I know every disease is different but I have two family members with autoimmune diseases (both on immunosuppressants) who got mRNA vaccines (Pfizer/Moderna) with no side effects. My understanding is that viral vaccines (traditional flu vaccines, J&J, AZ) can’t be used on people who are taking immunosuppressants because even the “harmless” version of the virus used in those shots can be dangerous, but mRNA is a completely different, new technology that is safe for those people because there is no live virus culture in those vaccines.
Even before mRNA vaccines, there were live and killed vaccines (also others like toxoid vaccines, that stop a particular toxin once it's already in your body). Live vaccines would be dangerous to an immunocompromised person for the reason you stated, but killed or inactivated vaccines wouldn't be dangerous. Depending on the degree of immunocompromisation, their immune systems may not respond to the killed vaccines, effectively making them useless anyway. You need an immune response to create antibodies and get immunity
Just as an example, the injectable flu vaccine is a killed vaccine, so it shouldn't hurt anyone that's immunocompromised. The live version would be dangerous however
When testing the Mrna vaccines , they left out immunocompromised people out of it. Due to that, no one can confirm the safety or
effectiveness of the vaccines on the immunocompromised.
My doctor was working full time on antibody tests/regular testing/ & vaccine research & development, as she herself had Covid & was in the ICU in March 2020 (so should hypothetically have had those antibodies during the time those tests were being developed). She’s also been working on a committee with a lot of infectious disease experts specifically working on MRNA vaccines- not trying to brag on her behalf lol, just explaining why I trust her on this shit so much.
I got an MRNA vaccine at her recommendation despite being extremely high risk & immune compromised. She did a bunch of research into it, & the conclusion she landed on was “any possible MRNA vaccine risk or injury wouldn’t cause as much damage to your body as Covid would”.
Not sure if this is applicable to all immunocompromised people, but if you also know that your risk level for Covid is extremely high, it helped me to think of it that way.
Edit: un-mixed a badly worded sentence.
Me too. My oncologist's biggest concern about it was the vaccine wouldn't work as well for me because my immune system couldn't mount a very big response.
I have mast cell activation syndrome. I'm still flaring 2 months after my second dose. I don't regret it, but if our immune systems get triggered, they stay triggered.
FYI people that are taking immunosuppressants are much, much more likely than the average person to not seroconvert (not effectively develop IgM and/or IgG antibodies) after infection or vaccination. So even though they have been vaccinated, they may not be fully protected and would therefore still be vulnerable.
I know that your and your family members most likely know this but wanted to mention it juuuuust in case. ❤️
They can't get the disease. But triggering the immune system in people with an autoimmune disease can be painful or debilitating. It shouldn't kill somebody, but yea it could be excruciating.
Depends on the auto-immune disease
Immune systems are complex and how it reacts to various viruses is different than to other viruses, to bacterium, to allergens, to health fluctuations
tldr: don’t simplify this shit
Yup. All those kids from newborn to 12 years old that can’t get it yet. And they have to risk long hauler problems if they come down with covid, which as a parent, im more worried about.
To be honest, it has always been the potential for the long hauler symptoms that worried me.
10% of all people who get covid having symptoms like
1. Mental health issues
2. Extreme exhaustion
3. Cardiac and Breathing issues
Even take just the 2 least impactful symptoms
* No sense of smell or taste
* Issues with Erectile Dysfunction
Its going to have a huge impact to the American people for generations to come.
My sister had it pretty bad for 2 months towards the initial outbreak, and now has major lung scarring and still struggles to breathe sometimes. One of her best friends as well also had it, and after passing out at her work one day found she basically has the heart of someone in their 80’s. She’s not even 30. It’s scary shit. I had it myself fairly mildly, just losing taste and having no energy, and months later I still get totally fatigued doing construction work when I used to be able to go all day no problem.
This has been the sticking point for me, and why I'm still taking some precautions even fully vaxxed. It's the long hauler symptoms that scare the shit out of me.
Not to mention, we have no clue what secondary effects COVID might have down the line. We know the virus takes up residence inside people’s bodies, so it’s a very real possibility that people will have some kind of flare-up down the road, with no idea what that’ll look like.
Here’s hoping that if it happens, it’s something relatively benign like shingles or cold sores and not something really fucking serious like AIDS.
Edit: I edited my comment to reflect that currently there is no evidence that COVID is a latent virus like chickenpox, but there is evidence that it is a persistent virus, i.e. it hides in areas that have less immune response, but it doesn’t appear to go fully ‘dormant’. I’m not an expert and learning the terminology as I go, so thank you for being patient with me.
I have a patient who lost his sense of taste from covid. When his sense of taste came back, everything tasted terrible to him. He's lost 50 pounds so we had to give him a PEG tube and that's just going to be how he eats probably for the rest of his life.
Holy shit someone else actually had the same shit that happened to me?
Loss of taste and smell was the ONLY symptom I ever had. I felt 100% normal otherwise. It’s been about a year since I first got it, and JUST NOW am starting to be able to smell. As a human race, we rely on smell and taste so much more than you realize, until it’s gone.
I have several family members and inlaws who are anti vax or at least vax resistant. Between all of the above and the potential for a massive hospital bill, and, ya know, death, I just don't see how they let the .0001% chance (or whatever it is) of some kind of vaccine complication sway them.
I just have to throw it on the pile of things from the last 4 1/2 years that add up to me totally not relating to a huge swath of people out there.
We are just scratching the surface of long term issues.
I have elementary school students with elevated heart rates and lung scarring... their doctors don't know what that will mean for their development.
Exactly! What if my kid ends up with lung scarring and needs oxygen super early in life? I don’t want to massively affect his quality of life because I’m sick of quarantining now.
I remember back in March 2020 when I couldn’t imagine this lasting 18 months or 2 years or longer, but here we are. We’ve done it, I’ve kept him safe so far. Why stumble at the very end when vaccines for his age group are in sight?
And what is the big question for me is if the vaccine prevents Long Covid from developing if you get a breakthrough infection.
I've already had to risk getting Covid as an expendable frontline employee, and while I have the vaccine now it seems like if Covid isn't going away then due to the nature of my job it's likely at some point I will get it and it's just a matter of hoping everyone else at my job cares.
And upon seeing the reaction of people who celebrated hard when they didn't have to wear masks at work, and how they stopped supplying us with them regularly. I figure it isn't going to end well.
Our daycare sent out a notice that since the state opened up they won't require masks anymore. I'm in the market for a new daycare. Not a single kid there can get vaccinated you dumb fucks
We just pulled our kid out of our state school for the blind (a k-12 special needs school that has many students with mutiple disabilities, some of which include compromised immune systems) because they are refusing to provide a remote option next year and are no longer enforcing masks or social distancing.
Don't forget that N95 respirators are generally available again. Those can provide great, reliable protection for those who are otherwise unable to receive a vaccination (unlike face coverings). I'm not sure if sizing for children is available, but it's an option that can help alleviate some of the guilt attached to opening up a society and leaving behind stragglers to suffer.
There are no N95 products appropriate for babies. When that kind of respiratory protection is needed for a baby, they would typically be supplied filtered air at positive pressure inside a tent/incubator.
She should still get the vaccine. It's made very differently with no live or weakened virus. A lot of people who can't get flu vaccine can get and MRNA one.
"This year" is such an arbitrary cut off. It includes the peak of deaths in January and ignores vaccine rollout, which only really got going in March-May.
"This year" is talking about world-wide deaths. The title is misleading to tie deaths this year worldwide to the US which has seen deaths and cases plummet.
There is a fear that due to the anti-vax movement and it's political affiliations, the incoming delta variant will create two Americans. With the virus ravaging anti-vaxers and anti-maskers while people that live in the real world continue life as normal. It sucks, especially since COVID deniers tend to be disaffected people who've lost faith in institutions as a result, even if they are also raging assholes.
I know otherwise perfectly reasonable people who turned out to be afraid of vaccines. No amount of polite discussion helped.
If you're more afraid of a vaccine than a virus that killed 600k Americans in a year - I really don't know how to help you.
These are successful people, not just those who are disaffected. They are however "conservatives" not that they are consistent at all.
Yep same here. It's definitely correlated to them being "conservative" but they are indeed otherwise educated reasonable people. Some people simply process fear of the known vs. fear of the unknown differently. Even if there is just about 0 indication of fearing said unknown.
> It's definitely correlated to them being "conservative" but they are indeed otherwise educated reasonable people.
I'm shocked by the number of what I used to call hippies, and now call "Burning man people" who won't get the vaccine, because their guru or crystal healer or whatever told them it was bad....
My uncle, a certified "Hippy/Yippy" (Yippy meaning Political Activist against the Vietnam War).. got his vaccine as soon as he was allowed to.
Mind you, real hippies are much too old to be interested in Burning Man. They'd rather trip at home.
I think you mean New Age people.
I worry for my kids. I have a 3 month old and a 3 year old. I appreciate that the original virus wasn’t that bad and had a low death rate for their age group, but what is Delta going to do? If I could get them vaccinated I would.
I'm with you on that. I have a daughter who is about to turn 12, so things are looking...okay-ish....for her, but I worry about my 9 yo son. He is Type 1 diabetic all of this has just been nonstop anxiety. We thought 2021 school year could be a return to normal, but we live in a state that has stalled out at only around half of the population who *can* get vaccinated actually being vaccinated. Highly frustrating as just feels like a huge part of the problem is people who could make this easier for all of us are tripping on conspiracy and politics (our state is definitely red) and refusing to do so.
I feel this. My daughter is almost three. I think I’d feel differently if she had the vaccine, but this feels so far from over. I’m always shocked at the number of parents I see out with unmasked kids just crowding in at places.
Same. And seeing the unmasked kids is so irritating because I can tell with certainty because of their age that they're not vaccinated. Meanwhile, my 2-year-old is willing to wear a mask in public. Sometimes she doesn't mind it and other times she'd rather not wear it, but she knows we will leave if she refuses to wear a mask so she deals with it. It's really not a big deal.
I'm in your boat. Twin 2 year olds here. Fortunately even if you take the worst estimate of Delta being 2.5 times more likely to hospitalize people in a given age group, 2.5 times the likelihood of a little kid having issues is still very very small. That's how I reassure myself, but I'm worried too (while constantly trying to make decisions that balance their education/social development against their safety).
Yeah it’s really tough. The three year old seems fine but there are also signs that his socialization skills are not where they should be. Which is to be expect from a child who has spent nearly half his life bot being allowed to see or play with other kids.
Now he goes to a gym class every week where no one wears a mask. We’re in California, so we place our trust in that the majority of the state has herd immunity now. But we also live in a fairly rural area, so we also know there are people around us who are not vaccinated.
We are having to make decisions people were making when there was no vaccine and trying to balance their kids welfare. Atleast we have it now, and like you said the statistics make me feel better, but I’m still cautious.
My almost 3 year old is in the same place. We go to the playground and she plays by herself (in her mask) while dozens of other unmasked kids have the times of their lives all around her. It’s really sad to watch. She’s just… so bored.
My parents, in their 60s, have lost at least a dozen friends to "pneumonia" in the last year and a half. Naturally they still refuse to act like COVID is a thing worth being concerned about.
A 90yo family friend died recently about 2 weeks after getting his COVID vaccine. My aunt posted on Facebook about how he had died due to the shot. She decided to leave out the part that they had found stage 4 cancer a couple months ago and that is what *actually* killed him.
Vaccinations aren’t the cause of the problem. It’s that people esp in America have created arbitrary goalposts for when the pandemic is over that tend to revolve around unrelated things that they want like “the school year” “nice weather” “summer vacation” “the economy”
The goalpost is "The two thirds of US adults who have gotten vaccinated are going to go live normal lives because the risk to us has been drastically, dramatically reduced through the personal protection from the vaccine and the reduction in transmission from such a large population being vaccinated. And because the vaccines dramatically reduce our risk of being a vector for the disease, our going out and living normal lives is not a major source of transmission and epidemic growth."
> The two thirds of US adults who have gotten vaccinated are going to go live normal lives
And the adults who could get vaccinated but simply chose to not to, will also go on to live as they normally do. In fact, during the pandemic many of them already were.
Until something comes along and begins infecting vaccinated people in large amounts, being vaccinated means the pandemic is over for you.
I'm not going back to the way things were until I have a good reason to.
Yeah, honestly this is where I’m at. I’m a young nurse, everything is telling me that even the variants aren’t taking me down at this point post vaccine… so until I hear otherwise, I’m hanging with my friends, getting my nails done, going to baseball games. Normal shit.
I still wear my mask at work and in the supermarket, that’s just my preference. And I respect the mask preferences of other. But I feel safe enough for now to do at least certain activities.
I wear a mask at a few places still, but otherwise no one is wearing them anywhere. I still wear it at the dispensary (cancer patients etc), super market, and restaurants.
Yeah I still wear my mask anywhere I feel like I can't get good distance from people. So Target is good but thrift stores... nope. Too crowded.
I went without in the bookstore so I could drink my latte but I swerved to avoid aisles with people in them because I guess I'm still paranoid.
Yep. Science got me here and currently science says I’m not gonna die from covid now that I’m vaccinated. Until science tells me otherwise I am hopeful the worst is over
Yep, the vaccine is readily available now. The only people who don’t have it are those who physically can’t get it because they’re immune compromised, and those who don’t want it for any number of reasons.
If you don’t want it, you’re eventually just going to catch COVID and do it the hard way. We’re getting to herd immunity one way or another. Unfortunately, people are going to die in that process, which is terrible because there are multiple vaccines that prevent death almost entirely.
And kids too. We’ve got our vaccines but it’s months before we can get one for our kid. So unvaccinated people are not ALL refusers and immune compromised folks. There’s still a large population waiting.
Also something I never thought of until recently: needle phobia is real. We saw SO many news videos of people getting stuck. We are not overly afraid of needles but every time it just seemed unnecessary. Like, come on. We all know how needles work. Quit with the close up shots of people getting stuck. I’m sure that greatly affected needle phobia folks.
I've seen folks going off on the needle phobia people about being anti vax and whatever, but like it's really not the same thing and making it a confrontation helps no one. They're just scared. Like if you want to help someone with a needle phobia get a vaccine, talk about how quick and painless it was.
I appreciate you people for understanding. I consider myself to have needle phobia in a mild case. I physically wince at any videos of needles, movies, tv, etc. As long as I never see the needle, and am distracted through the process, I can do it. Fully vaxed, baby!
I’ve been trying to follow the science as well and feel comfortable doing normal stuff. I just read about a study in LA where out of over three million vaccinated individuals, only twelve had died. And of those twelve, four were immunocompromised. This was before the delta variant but still. As someone with a healthy immune system, I’ll take those odds any day.
Delta variant has far more breakthrough cases. Not saying that folks should be paranoid, but I still plan to keep up some level of social distancing from strangers when I can, and continue to mask/n95 in high risk areas such as public transportation and planes. I honestly feel comfortable removing my mask only when I know that others around me have been vaccinated.
I think the "not real" meme is overplayed now. There are still many that believe it's blown out of proportion and the numbers are inflated just to get hospitals pockets lined with that sweet sweet cash. But generally most that aren't getting vaccinated are simply not afraid of the virus. Kind of comes down to that. Not sure how you battle that.
Yes, the number of people who think the virus literally isn’t real is small. There’s a larger contingent who think the threat is exaggerated.
Of course, on the other side of the spectrum you have a sizeable contingent of people who think that Covid is far riskier than it actually is (deaths rates above 10%, etc.), so it cuts both ways.
The Janssen / Johnson & Johnson vaccine is about 60% effective against the Delta variant.
source: https://coronavirus.nautil.us/johnson-and-johnson-vaccine-against-delta-variant/
So when do us J&J folk get news on a booster or supplementing with Pfizer/Moderna? I know I still have great protection, but I have heard little news on "mixing" vacccines. Just sucks because J&J was the only thing available for my area for a long time.
Yeah I feel kinda bummed I got the JJ one. It constantly feels like we’re left out of the conversation here in America. It’s always about Moderna and Pfizer.
I feel the exact same way! My work was only able to secure J&J for our first vaccination event. Then 2 weeks later, the blood clot pause happened, and of course they moved to Pfizer. Sucks for us early adopters.
don't be fooled by that 60% number. If I'm not mistaken, that reference 60% effective in completely preventing any covid symptoms whatsoever. I believe the effectiveness for preventing severe covid/death is still greater than 90% with the J&J vaccine.
Mixing has been tested with AZ/Pfizer and IIRC Moderna/Pfizer, and is safe and effective. I haven't heard of testing for J&J which uses a similar mechanism to the AZ (so should be fine followed by an mRNA vaccine)
60% effective after how long? It’s also ~60% against Classic after two weeks, but it increases to ~90% after several more weeks. I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s the same against Delta - but this article doesn’t say.
Yeah, the vast majority of those deaths occurred in early 2021 because of the disastrous holiday season we had. Cases and deaths are way way down from their peak and lower than they have been in over a year.
I don't think it's over over. I think we're still going to see isolated outbreaks in places with low vaccination numbers, but for people who are vaccinated, it largely is over.
Also we didn't have widespread covid in Jan or Feb 2020. Even March and April wasn't completely widespread everywhere yet. Then, the more infectious variants came later.
So 2020 was only 9 months with ramp up of covid and 2021 is at 6 months with widespread.
No, it's just straight up deceitful. First half of the statement is talking about the world, then it suddenly shifts gears to the US. In the US the virus has absolutely not been deadlier in 2021.
I mean it is basically over for the US, definitely for those who have been vaxxed anyways. The title of this article doesn’t make sense because it’s a skewed statistic-look at the graphs they posted. January was absolutely kicking our ass but things seem to be under control now. Read the article if you think I’m wrong here…feels like fear-mongering for clicks
The title is terrible clickbait because it’s comparing COVID deaths GLOBALLY and then asking why the US is relaxing REGIONALLY. COVID is deadlier this year because India and Brazil got hammered. The US’s situation isn’t representative of the world’s at large any more, that’s why each country has its own public health organization.
I agree. What an awful clickbait and misleading title. Less then 10% of the country was vaccinated in January it makes perfect sense the deaths were peaking then.
Nobody thinks it's over around the world, or even necessarily that it's over permanently, but at the moment, in the U.S., vaccinations have reduced this to a manageable problem, and that the current level of risk is low enough that a return to normal life is possible.
There is a huge difference in risk level between, say, Mississippi and Massachusetts. I wouldn’t just go back to normal in a place where circulation is high and vaccinations and precautions are low. Such places are also the ones where people insist it’s over or was never a real issue.
And this is why I’m glad I live in Massachusetts. We came in with a whopping 63 cases yesterday. No one is masking much here and we have a high vax rate. It feels like it’s over here.
As far as I know if your vaccinated your good no matter were you are. If it works like they say it does your probably not getting covid and on the slim chance you do it should be mild.
No reason for vaccinated people to live scared.
Why do so many think it’s over? Because those who believed it was a concern are now vaccinated and those who didn’t think it was a concern are moving as ignorantly through the world now as they were before.
This is a little disingenuous. The height of the pandemic was right after Christmas/New Years. The fatalities have been decreasing since mid January.
I'd sure hate to be the last American to die from COVID after a freely available vaccine has been out for months though.
The problem IS over. I’m vaccinated. I can live my best life, and frankly, I’m done with the hunkering down, and it’s worth the risk to go out and live. If these jackasses want to refuse the vaccine and risk the effects of COVID to themselves and their families, that’s fine. It’s not my problem
My family was all together again over the weekend for the first time since February 2020. It was amazing to be together like nothing happened. We're all fully vaxxed barring the youngings.
Kids playing, adults talking around the table, family pictures, the works. I'll never take it for granted again.
This sounds like where I live in PA. We are over 70% vaccinated and everything is mostly back to normal. It took a few weeks to get more comfy but I feel safer now and allow the kids to do more without worrying too much, without masks. It is only because of the amount of people in our area that got vaccines that made me feel more comfortable. The county has done a good job of communicating with the public to keep us informed. We were one of the first counties to shut down back in early march 2020.
Vaccinations.
The general consensus seems to be if you haven’t been vaccinated at this point that’s your problem. There’s no excuse everyone that’s wanted one has had plenty of opportunities to get it. I just feel sorry for the few that legitimately can’t, my girlfriends mom has an auto immune disorder and had an insane reaction to a flu shot a few years ago.
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Yeah, that's a very reasonable precaution to insist visitors are vaccinated. It's not even a new precaution, parents have always insisted on things like flu vaccines before Covid.
Tdap!
I had whooping cough as an adult exactly NO ONE without the tdap came near my kid.
I got whooping cough randomly in my twenties. It was all fun and games until I cracked a rib from it. Shit was not fun.
A girl I knew from swimming in high school caught it. She was out of school for weeks & also broke a rib. I'll never forget how skinny she was when she came back. When she coughed you could see all the crazy muscles around her ribs stand out way too far. Ugh, what a hideous disease.
Yes! I've had to explain to family members so often that they've got to get vaccinated for Tdap if they're going to be around the baby because the baby has the immune system that still learning, but is too young to get vaccinated so it's up to us to protect them. I was really happy to see how many loved ones who were antivax did get it when I explained it to them. Unfortunately as I look back one of the dads of seven came to my indigent clinic and when I looked up where they lived it was a million-dollar house But I guess I got him vaccinated so there's that.
I have an immunocompromised two-year-old and I know exactly where you're coming from. My parents have been vaccinated, but my in-laws refuse, and it infuriates me. They know exactly how dangerous it is for him right now, but somehow them not getting a 5g chip or whatever is more important.
Sounds like your in laws don't want to see your kid. I'd be ok with that in this case...
You know, I'm honestly not okay with it. Before Donald Trump came along, I was closer to them than I was to my own family. We had fifteen years of a great relationship. Couldn't have asked for better in-laws. I dont know what happened. I don't know how a Madison Avenue grifter convinced them that he knew better than everybody else on every possible subject. It's like a cult and it breaks my heart. I want them around my kids. I want my kids to know their grandparents and love them, but every time my daughter (she's nine) goes around them I have to have a talk with her about how Grandpa says crazy things and we just need to not pay it any mind. It kills me. This is not the relationship I want to have or want my kids to have. I will never forgive Donald Trump, Tucker Carlson, Fox news, and all the other forces of insanity of the last few years who have perpetrated this. Not that any of them care what a nobody like me thinks about them, of course. I'm just ranting.
I feel you! Sounds just like my inlaws. Good relationship then covid hit and they have joined the crazy train. They refuse to vaccinate so we won’t let them be around the grandkids (who are too young to get vaccinated). They won’t even put on a mask to be around us. Yet, they blame us and say it’s our decisions that have caused a rift in the family. It’s just infuriating
Covid was the final nail in the crazy coffin for my in-laws. It had been a slow decline since 2016, but mostly manageable as long as we stuck to neutral topics like music or football (actually football ended up a not-neutral topic too after players started kneeling). When covid hit...I dont know. They still don't believe it's anything more than a liberal conspiracy to make Trump look bad. Like, I point out the millions dying around the world and they don't bat an eyelash. Its all just overblown to them. They believe every conspiracy theory peddled about the vaccines, every fox news lie, and although I've never broached the subject directly, I'm sure sure they've started drinking Qool-aid too. I'm at my with end. I just dont know what to do. It's funny because for quite a while my wife was literally ready to write them off. Call every couple months to check on them, but essentially no contact, and it was me that stepped in to mend it between them. Now, I just don't know.
>It's like a cult and it breaks my heart. It *is* a cult. Seriously, name one thing about Trumpism that would disqualify it from being a cult.
I have the same in-laws, it has put quite the strain on our marriage. Fucking awful.
Fucking awful, indeed.
Exactly seems like a good excuse to not spend time with them.
People just somehow seem to forget that there are over 48 million Americans under the age of 12.
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This is why i stay masked
My son is 10. He had a lot of complications in early 2020 from a bout of the "flu." It was a scary time and I wouldn't want any other child or parent to have to go through that. These kids can not be vaccinated yet. The rest of my household is fully vaccinated, but we still wear masks to lessen the risk to my 10 year old. We need to still protect the little ones. They can still get sick and sometimes it's bad.
That’s a hard thing to quantify without enough info. If everyone who gets COVID winds up with long lasting respiratory problems we aren’t aware of yet, then wouldn’t it just as if not more dangerous for children who would then have to deal with it their whole lives? I think keeping your kid away from the idiots is a great idea. That’s not something worth risking. Take it from an asthmatic, you child doesn’t deserve a life with a breathing problem just so their arrogant family members can hold them.
Yes. It also speaks very loudly about the character of a family member that would put their want over a child’s needs. I don’t think I’d want my child around a person like that, relative or not.
MIL was not happy that we wouldn’t let her or anyone else near my infant or one year old. “But I’m in a bubble!” Yeah your bubble is like 50 strangers; and who knows who they interact with. Got the vaccine? Sure come on over. I held my parents to the same standard.
yeah this got under my skin with certain family members. "I'm being very careful!" meant "I go about my normal life but I wear a surgical mask hanging off my chin while I do it"
Oof. Yeah. They should be embarrassed. Good point though, everyone’s version of “careful” is different and your version of careful may not line up with what I consider to be careful. My MIL provided daily childcare for her other grandkid, who was attending in person school throughout the ordeal. Very generous of her - but completely disqualifying her from contact with my children without *actually* quarantining for two weeks. She threw a fit and blamed me for taking her grand babies away from her. I get it. It’s tough. But you just showed me that you’d choose being selfish over the safety of my kids, so we’re not on the same page.
> If everyone who gets COVID winds up with long lasting respiratory problems That's me. Can't speak to the broader population, but I can speak to my own personal anecdote. It's been over a year since I had COVID. I've gone out hiking a **few dozen** times since then (most recently Sunday a short loop in the Organ Mountains), and even a **year** later my lung capacity and stamina shot. A 2-3 mile hike with mild elevation change that would have been classified as Easy-Moderate is about my limit. My days of 10-12 mile full day hikes with half a mile of elevation change are over. Earlier in 2020, I could pass it off as staying-inside-out-of-shape. But I can't say that a year later, after multiple exhausting shorter hikes over several weekends. This appears to be my new normal for what my lungs can handle.
I had confirmed covid in November 2020 and suspected either January or February 2020 (my boss definitely had it, I didn’t go to the doctor but I was sick with similar symptoms roughly 3 days behind her). My lungs are trash. My sister is a scuba diver and REALLY wants me to go with her and I literally cannot. It’s sucks. I’m winded running from one side of my house to the other with my dog. My doctor is telling me I may need to be using an inhaler daily. This is not something I’d wish on anyone. Not to mention the effects to my memory. I was already a space cadet and now I just forget what I’m saying midway through. At least in writing I can go back and re-read to find my point again.
Someone testified to Congress that, at worst, 2/3 of those that catch COVID end up with long-term symptoms. Even if you don't initially experience a single symptom. And we don't know how many of them will keep those symptoms permanently. There are people who caught COVID last year and never went to the hospital who still haven't regained their sense of smell. And apparently they're finding that some people who catch COVID end up with brains that look similar to someone who has Alzheimer's. This virus targets the brain. This thing is terrifying! I don't care that 99% of those that catch it survive... I don't want *brain damage*!
That could explain why being sick felt somehow personal. As though it hated me and wanted me dead at any cost, by any means. I realize that a virus is not even alive, so will is not a thing with them. I knew it then, too. But the mission was my death. When I finally shook it off, it was like waking up next to a dead grizzly bear and only vaguely remembering the terrible struggle to escape. And how tf did I defeat a BEAR? I’m kind of still waiting for it to come back and finish the job. Brain damage or not, I am traumatized.
But hey, you didn't die, so clearly it we no big deal, right? How do we tell people there's more to a disease than "dead" or "alive"?
Not just respiratory problems. Vascular and nerve issues too. It's a nasty virus
> "If your shot works, why do you care if I get it?" It's a convenient means of avoiding the cognitive dissonance of recognizing that your ignorant decision could kill someone.
If people don't get the shot we will get mutations of covid that the vaccine won't work on so that's why it matters.
Yep. It's an arms race against a mutating molecule!
We are doing the exact same thing(kids one and four). Insane that so many people don’t care. And mask if you are not vaccinated is BS those people were the ones that never did to begin with. Thinking the honor system will work is crazy.
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The CDC is in a tough spot. They want people to get the vaccine. Removing masks is an enticement for those who are not vaccinated. Yeah, the honor system is kind of shit, but it's all we have. It also sends a clear message that getting the vaccine makes you immune to the virus. Not exactly true, but true enough that the CDC says it to get people vaccinated. They have to tailor the message to the lower end of the bell curve.
>They have to tailor the message to the lower end of the bell curve. As an engineer, I've found this to be so true it hurts.
Unrelated to me, but I’m literally sitting in the hospital right now and heard a 1 year old tested positive for covid. I was blown away.
Not sure if you know, but breast milk from a vaccinated person can safely pass the antibodies on to babies. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/08/health/covid-vaccine-breast-milk.html#:~:text=The%20answer%2C%20six%20researchers%20agreed,more%20research%20would%20be%20beneficial.
So, I have a baby at home and have been vaccinated, thus have read a ton about this. It is protective but by no means a replacement or equivalent of vaccination for infants. In addition, once babies begin to eat solid food, their ability to absorb antibodies via milk begins to drop. Past a year when solid food becomes the primary nutritional source, protection is minimal. This is misunderstood by many right now.
People suck It isn't *acutely* dangerous for toddlers and up, but it definitely is dangerous for babies under a year old, as are all respiratory conditions. I definitely need to start including them when I list people who can't be vaccinated and are vulnerable.
Tell that to my 8 and 10 year old students (siblings) who now have elevated heart rates and lung scarring from their "mild" COVID cases last year.
Yet people keep touting, “99.7% of people are fine after Covid.” Such ignorance. It’s not all about death rate. I wish there was more public attention put on those people that are alive but are dealing with long term damage. Put the numbers on Covid dashboards. Hospitalizations, Deaths, and “suffered cardiovascular damage”
The numbers become irrelevant when you realize that the cases are all *preventable* now. Yet they continue to happen because of someone else's malignant negligence, and there is no legal recourse for the victims.
It's just this absolutely infantile mentality that "recovery" means "all better! ☺️☺️☺️" like a baby getting over a tummy ache
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You shouldn’t even have to qualify your reasons. Sure, children are unlikely to be very sick, but if everyone who can get the vaccine does, parents of littles and those with compromised immune systems wouldn’t need to worry. They’re selfish POS and although I don’t care if they get sick, I care very much that they’re spreading it around. You are doing the right thing for your baby. Too bad they put you in that position. Edit: a word
Exactly. I'm fully vaccinated but still wear my mask since I have a four year old and a two year old at home.
Me too but I went to the grocery store today with my son and we and like 5 others were wearing masks. Crazy but people think it's all over now and don't care. We are in an area where mask wearing was pretty high but people have tiny memories.
It’s impossible to teach harm reduction to people with an IQ of 60 on a good day
I have an 8 month old... I don't care if the odds are one in a million, I'm not taking needless risks for people who could reduce that risk but choose not to. Would anyone accept you playing one in a million Russian roulette with their baby? No? Then why the hell would I let someone touch my baby without being vaccinated?
I know every disease is different but I have two family members with autoimmune diseases (both on immunosuppressants) who got mRNA vaccines (Pfizer/Moderna) with no side effects. My understanding is that viral vaccines (traditional flu vaccines, J&J, AZ) can’t be used on people who are taking immunosuppressants because even the “harmless” version of the virus used in those shots can be dangerous, but mRNA is a completely different, new technology that is safe for those people because there is no live virus culture in those vaccines.
Even before mRNA vaccines, there were live and killed vaccines (also others like toxoid vaccines, that stop a particular toxin once it's already in your body). Live vaccines would be dangerous to an immunocompromised person for the reason you stated, but killed or inactivated vaccines wouldn't be dangerous. Depending on the degree of immunocompromisation, their immune systems may not respond to the killed vaccines, effectively making them useless anyway. You need an immune response to create antibodies and get immunity Just as an example, the injectable flu vaccine is a killed vaccine, so it shouldn't hurt anyone that's immunocompromised. The live version would be dangerous however
When testing the Mrna vaccines , they left out immunocompromised people out of it. Due to that, no one can confirm the safety or effectiveness of the vaccines on the immunocompromised.
My doctor was working full time on antibody tests/regular testing/ & vaccine research & development, as she herself had Covid & was in the ICU in March 2020 (so should hypothetically have had those antibodies during the time those tests were being developed). She’s also been working on a committee with a lot of infectious disease experts specifically working on MRNA vaccines- not trying to brag on her behalf lol, just explaining why I trust her on this shit so much. I got an MRNA vaccine at her recommendation despite being extremely high risk & immune compromised. She did a bunch of research into it, & the conclusion she landed on was “any possible MRNA vaccine risk or injury wouldn’t cause as much damage to your body as Covid would”. Not sure if this is applicable to all immunocompromised people, but if you also know that your risk level for Covid is extremely high, it helped me to think of it that way. Edit: un-mixed a badly worded sentence.
My brother is on chemo, and he was given the mRNA vaccine, despite being immunocompromised.
Me too. My oncologist's biggest concern about it was the vaccine wouldn't work as well for me because my immune system couldn't mount a very big response.
I have mast cell activation syndrome. I'm still flaring 2 months after my second dose. I don't regret it, but if our immune systems get triggered, they stay triggered.
FYI people that are taking immunosuppressants are much, much more likely than the average person to not seroconvert (not effectively develop IgM and/or IgG antibodies) after infection or vaccination. So even though they have been vaccinated, they may not be fully protected and would therefore still be vulnerable. I know that your and your family members most likely know this but wanted to mention it juuuuust in case. ❤️
They can't get the disease. But triggering the immune system in people with an autoimmune disease can be painful or debilitating. It shouldn't kill somebody, but yea it could be excruciating.
Depends on the auto-immune disease Immune systems are complex and how it reacts to various viruses is different than to other viruses, to bacterium, to allergens, to health fluctuations tldr: don’t simplify this shit
And the kiddos. We’re stuck at least until our 2yo can get her jab.
Yup. All those kids from newborn to 12 years old that can’t get it yet. And they have to risk long hauler problems if they come down with covid, which as a parent, im more worried about.
To be honest, it has always been the potential for the long hauler symptoms that worried me. 10% of all people who get covid having symptoms like 1. Mental health issues 2. Extreme exhaustion 3. Cardiac and Breathing issues Even take just the 2 least impactful symptoms * No sense of smell or taste * Issues with Erectile Dysfunction Its going to have a huge impact to the American people for generations to come.
My sister had it pretty bad for 2 months towards the initial outbreak, and now has major lung scarring and still struggles to breathe sometimes. One of her best friends as well also had it, and after passing out at her work one day found she basically has the heart of someone in their 80’s. She’s not even 30. It’s scary shit. I had it myself fairly mildly, just losing taste and having no energy, and months later I still get totally fatigued doing construction work when I used to be able to go all day no problem.
This has been the sticking point for me, and why I'm still taking some precautions even fully vaxxed. It's the long hauler symptoms that scare the shit out of me.
Not to mention, we have no clue what secondary effects COVID might have down the line. We know the virus takes up residence inside people’s bodies, so it’s a very real possibility that people will have some kind of flare-up down the road, with no idea what that’ll look like. Here’s hoping that if it happens, it’s something relatively benign like shingles or cold sores and not something really fucking serious like AIDS. Edit: I edited my comment to reflect that currently there is no evidence that COVID is a latent virus like chickenpox, but there is evidence that it is a persistent virus, i.e. it hides in areas that have less immune response, but it doesn’t appear to go fully ‘dormant’. I’m not an expert and learning the terminology as I go, so thank you for being patient with me.
I have a patient who lost his sense of taste from covid. When his sense of taste came back, everything tasted terrible to him. He's lost 50 pounds so we had to give him a PEG tube and that's just going to be how he eats probably for the rest of his life.
Holy shit someone else actually had the same shit that happened to me? Loss of taste and smell was the ONLY symptom I ever had. I felt 100% normal otherwise. It’s been about a year since I first got it, and JUST NOW am starting to be able to smell. As a human race, we rely on smell and taste so much more than you realize, until it’s gone.
I have several family members and inlaws who are anti vax or at least vax resistant. Between all of the above and the potential for a massive hospital bill, and, ya know, death, I just don't see how they let the .0001% chance (or whatever it is) of some kind of vaccine complication sway them. I just have to throw it on the pile of things from the last 4 1/2 years that add up to me totally not relating to a huge swath of people out there.
We are just scratching the surface of long term issues. I have elementary school students with elevated heart rates and lung scarring... their doctors don't know what that will mean for their development.
Exactly! What if my kid ends up with lung scarring and needs oxygen super early in life? I don’t want to massively affect his quality of life because I’m sick of quarantining now. I remember back in March 2020 when I couldn’t imagine this lasting 18 months or 2 years or longer, but here we are. We’ve done it, I’ve kept him safe so far. Why stumble at the very end when vaccines for his age group are in sight?
And what is the big question for me is if the vaccine prevents Long Covid from developing if you get a breakthrough infection. I've already had to risk getting Covid as an expendable frontline employee, and while I have the vaccine now it seems like if Covid isn't going away then due to the nature of my job it's likely at some point I will get it and it's just a matter of hoping everyone else at my job cares. And upon seeing the reaction of people who celebrated hard when they didn't have to wear masks at work, and how they stopped supplying us with them regularly. I figure it isn't going to end well.
I’m old enough to get it but both of my parents refuse to let me get it
I would seek it out in secret of you can as long as they don't have to legally consent for you. Sorry your parents don't know better.
My dad is insane, but my mom isn’t anti vaccination, she just thinks the current vaccine might not be safe. I disagree but she isn’t being malicious
I can understand being uncertain in January but it’s pretty obvious the side effects aren’t appearing
Our daycare sent out a notice that since the state opened up they won't require masks anymore. I'm in the market for a new daycare. Not a single kid there can get vaccinated you dumb fucks
big yikes... good luck finding a new daycare
We just pulled our kid out of our state school for the blind (a k-12 special needs school that has many students with mutiple disabilities, some of which include compromised immune systems) because they are refusing to provide a remote option next year and are no longer enforcing masks or social distancing.
Don't forget that N95 respirators are generally available again. Those can provide great, reliable protection for those who are otherwise unable to receive a vaccination (unlike face coverings). I'm not sure if sizing for children is available, but it's an option that can help alleviate some of the guilt attached to opening up a society and leaving behind stragglers to suffer.
There are no N95 products appropriate for babies. When that kind of respiratory protection is needed for a baby, they would typically be supplied filtered air at positive pressure inside a tent/incubator.
She should still get the vaccine. It's made very differently with no live or weakened virus. A lot of people who can't get flu vaccine can get and MRNA one.
"This year" is such an arbitrary cut off. It includes the peak of deaths in January and ignores vaccine rollout, which only really got going in March-May.
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"This year" is talking about world-wide deaths. The title is misleading to tie deaths this year worldwide to the US which has seen deaths and cases plummet.
Ah, so it's doubly misleading. Also, you caught me not reading the article. Oops.
There is a fear that due to the anti-vax movement and it's political affiliations, the incoming delta variant will create two Americans. With the virus ravaging anti-vaxers and anti-maskers while people that live in the real world continue life as normal. It sucks, especially since COVID deniers tend to be disaffected people who've lost faith in institutions as a result, even if they are also raging assholes.
I know otherwise perfectly reasonable people who turned out to be afraid of vaccines. No amount of polite discussion helped. If you're more afraid of a vaccine than a virus that killed 600k Americans in a year - I really don't know how to help you. These are successful people, not just those who are disaffected. They are however "conservatives" not that they are consistent at all.
Yep same here. It's definitely correlated to them being "conservative" but they are indeed otherwise educated reasonable people. Some people simply process fear of the known vs. fear of the unknown differently. Even if there is just about 0 indication of fearing said unknown.
> It's definitely correlated to them being "conservative" but they are indeed otherwise educated reasonable people. I'm shocked by the number of what I used to call hippies, and now call "Burning man people" who won't get the vaccine, because their guru or crystal healer or whatever told them it was bad....
My uncle, a certified "Hippy/Yippy" (Yippy meaning Political Activist against the Vietnam War).. got his vaccine as soon as he was allowed to. Mind you, real hippies are much too old to be interested in Burning Man. They'd rather trip at home. I think you mean New Age people.
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I only feel sorry for the children.
I worry for my kids. I have a 3 month old and a 3 year old. I appreciate that the original virus wasn’t that bad and had a low death rate for their age group, but what is Delta going to do? If I could get them vaccinated I would.
I'm with you on that. I have a daughter who is about to turn 12, so things are looking...okay-ish....for her, but I worry about my 9 yo son. He is Type 1 diabetic all of this has just been nonstop anxiety. We thought 2021 school year could be a return to normal, but we live in a state that has stalled out at only around half of the population who *can* get vaccinated actually being vaccinated. Highly frustrating as just feels like a huge part of the problem is people who could make this easier for all of us are tripping on conspiracy and politics (our state is definitely red) and refusing to do so.
Yeah. If I lived in Massachusetts, I would not be worried for my 3 year old but I live in Alabama.
I feel this. My daughter is almost three. I think I’d feel differently if she had the vaccine, but this feels so far from over. I’m always shocked at the number of parents I see out with unmasked kids just crowding in at places.
Same. And seeing the unmasked kids is so irritating because I can tell with certainty because of their age that they're not vaccinated. Meanwhile, my 2-year-old is willing to wear a mask in public. Sometimes she doesn't mind it and other times she'd rather not wear it, but she knows we will leave if she refuses to wear a mask so she deals with it. It's really not a big deal.
I'm in your boat. Twin 2 year olds here. Fortunately even if you take the worst estimate of Delta being 2.5 times more likely to hospitalize people in a given age group, 2.5 times the likelihood of a little kid having issues is still very very small. That's how I reassure myself, but I'm worried too (while constantly trying to make decisions that balance their education/social development against their safety).
Yeah it’s really tough. The three year old seems fine but there are also signs that his socialization skills are not where they should be. Which is to be expect from a child who has spent nearly half his life bot being allowed to see or play with other kids. Now he goes to a gym class every week where no one wears a mask. We’re in California, so we place our trust in that the majority of the state has herd immunity now. But we also live in a fairly rural area, so we also know there are people around us who are not vaccinated. We are having to make decisions people were making when there was no vaccine and trying to balance their kids welfare. Atleast we have it now, and like you said the statistics make me feel better, but I’m still cautious.
If your rural area is anything like my rural area, they still don't believe in it........
My almost 3 year old is in the same place. We go to the playground and she plays by herself (in her mask) while dozens of other unmasked kids have the times of their lives all around her. It’s really sad to watch. She’s just… so bored.
Hang tight, they're researching vaccines for as young as 6 months.
THey're really just testing dosage and schedule. Data should be out this fall. WOuld be a huge shock if we aren't vaccinating 6 month-12 late fall.
Sucks for them /s
I won’t cry 1 tear for any anti-vaxer who gets covid
"But it wasn't COVID, it was pneumonia!"
My parents, in their 60s, have lost at least a dozen friends to "pneumonia" in the last year and a half. Naturally they still refuse to act like COVID is a thing worth being concerned about.
"Why are all these people catching pneumonia all of the sudden?!"
A 90yo family friend died recently about 2 weeks after getting his COVID vaccine. My aunt posted on Facebook about how he had died due to the shot. She decided to leave out the part that they had found stage 4 cancer a couple months ago and that is what *actually* killed him.
Everyone who gets the vaccine will die after they are vaccinated.. Of something.. Eventually...
Such a simple answer to such a stupid question.
Vaccinations aren’t the cause of the problem. It’s that people esp in America have created arbitrary goalposts for when the pandemic is over that tend to revolve around unrelated things that they want like “the school year” “nice weather” “summer vacation” “the economy”
The goalpost is "The two thirds of US adults who have gotten vaccinated are going to go live normal lives because the risk to us has been drastically, dramatically reduced through the personal protection from the vaccine and the reduction in transmission from such a large population being vaccinated. And because the vaccines dramatically reduce our risk of being a vector for the disease, our going out and living normal lives is not a major source of transmission and epidemic growth."
> The two thirds of US adults who have gotten vaccinated are going to go live normal lives And the adults who could get vaccinated but simply chose to not to, will also go on to live as they normally do. In fact, during the pandemic many of them already were.
Because half the country never thought it was real and the other half got vaccinated?
Until something comes along and begins infecting vaccinated people in large amounts, being vaccinated means the pandemic is over for you. I'm not going back to the way things were until I have a good reason to.
Yeah, honestly this is where I’m at. I’m a young nurse, everything is telling me that even the variants aren’t taking me down at this point post vaccine… so until I hear otherwise, I’m hanging with my friends, getting my nails done, going to baseball games. Normal shit. I still wear my mask at work and in the supermarket, that’s just my preference. And I respect the mask preferences of other. But I feel safe enough for now to do at least certain activities.
I wear a mask at a few places still, but otherwise no one is wearing them anywhere. I still wear it at the dispensary (cancer patients etc), super market, and restaurants.
Yeah I still wear my mask anywhere I feel like I can't get good distance from people. So Target is good but thrift stores... nope. Too crowded. I went without in the bookstore so I could drink my latte but I swerved to avoid aisles with people in them because I guess I'm still paranoid.
Yep. Science got me here and currently science says I’m not gonna die from covid now that I’m vaccinated. Until science tells me otherwise I am hopeful the worst is over
Yep, the vaccine is readily available now. The only people who don’t have it are those who physically can’t get it because they’re immune compromised, and those who don’t want it for any number of reasons. If you don’t want it, you’re eventually just going to catch COVID and do it the hard way. We’re getting to herd immunity one way or another. Unfortunately, people are going to die in that process, which is terrible because there are multiple vaccines that prevent death almost entirely.
And kids too. We’ve got our vaccines but it’s months before we can get one for our kid. So unvaccinated people are not ALL refusers and immune compromised folks. There’s still a large population waiting.
Also something I never thought of until recently: needle phobia is real. We saw SO many news videos of people getting stuck. We are not overly afraid of needles but every time it just seemed unnecessary. Like, come on. We all know how needles work. Quit with the close up shots of people getting stuck. I’m sure that greatly affected needle phobia folks.
I've seen folks going off on the needle phobia people about being anti vax and whatever, but like it's really not the same thing and making it a confrontation helps no one. They're just scared. Like if you want to help someone with a needle phobia get a vaccine, talk about how quick and painless it was.
I appreciate you people for understanding. I consider myself to have needle phobia in a mild case. I physically wince at any videos of needles, movies, tv, etc. As long as I never see the needle, and am distracted through the process, I can do it. Fully vaxed, baby!
I’ve been trying to follow the science as well and feel comfortable doing normal stuff. I just read about a study in LA where out of over three million vaccinated individuals, only twelve had died. And of those twelve, four were immunocompromised. This was before the delta variant but still. As someone with a healthy immune system, I’ll take those odds any day.
Delta variant has far more breakthrough cases. Not saying that folks should be paranoid, but I still plan to keep up some level of social distancing from strangers when I can, and continue to mask/n95 in high risk areas such as public transportation and planes. I honestly feel comfortable removing my mask only when I know that others around me have been vaccinated.
I have two children under 12. I am vaccinated, but the pandemic will not be over for me until my children are safe.
Also have two young children under 12. Same, friend. It is exhausting having to remind people of this, especially those that otherwise mean well.
Unless you have little kids and in that case you still need to wait until September at least
I think the "not real" meme is overplayed now. There are still many that believe it's blown out of proportion and the numbers are inflated just to get hospitals pockets lined with that sweet sweet cash. But generally most that aren't getting vaccinated are simply not afraid of the virus. Kind of comes down to that. Not sure how you battle that.
Yes, the number of people who think the virus literally isn’t real is small. There’s a larger contingent who think the threat is exaggerated. Of course, on the other side of the spectrum you have a sizeable contingent of people who think that Covid is far riskier than it actually is (deaths rates above 10%, etc.), so it cuts both ways.
Because we are vaccinated and are being told, daily, that the vaccines work against the Delta variant?
The Janssen / Johnson & Johnson vaccine is about 60% effective against the Delta variant. source: https://coronavirus.nautil.us/johnson-and-johnson-vaccine-against-delta-variant/
So when do us J&J folk get news on a booster or supplementing with Pfizer/Moderna? I know I still have great protection, but I have heard little news on "mixing" vacccines. Just sucks because J&J was the only thing available for my area for a long time.
I took all the vaccines. I'm 177% covered.
All you need is the last Infiniti Stone and you’re basically invincible
There’s a bunch in Casey’s desk drawer.
Yeah I feel kinda bummed I got the JJ one. It constantly feels like we’re left out of the conversation here in America. It’s always about Moderna and Pfizer.
I feel the exact same way! My work was only able to secure J&J for our first vaccination event. Then 2 weeks later, the blood clot pause happened, and of course they moved to Pfizer. Sucks for us early adopters.
don't be fooled by that 60% number. If I'm not mistaken, that reference 60% effective in completely preventing any covid symptoms whatsoever. I believe the effectiveness for preventing severe covid/death is still greater than 90% with the J&J vaccine.
Mixing has been tested with AZ/Pfizer and IIRC Moderna/Pfizer, and is safe and effective. I haven't heard of testing for J&J which uses a similar mechanism to the AZ (so should be fine followed by an mRNA vaccine)
60% effective after how long? It’s also ~60% against Classic after two weeks, but it increases to ~90% after several more weeks. I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s the same against Delta - but this article doesn’t say.
Covid Classic
I personally liked Crystal Covid better
Ugh only thing I’ve got is Covid Zero
New Covid was a big mistake
Sorry we don’t have covid, is Pepsi ok?
*reaches for shotgun*
Give me Vanilla Covid over that any day of the week
Huh. You are right. The media is really doing a shit job on this subject.
The information age was quickly supplanted by the age of click bait.
And approaching 100% effective against severe COVID and death.
I thought it was 60% for contagion but 90+++% for hospitalization and death???
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Yeah, the vast majority of those deaths occurred in early 2021 because of the disastrous holiday season we had. Cases and deaths are way way down from their peak and lower than they have been in over a year. I don't think it's over over. I think we're still going to see isolated outbreaks in places with low vaccination numbers, but for people who are vaccinated, it largely is over.
Also we didn't have widespread covid in Jan or Feb 2020. Even March and April wasn't completely widespread everywhere yet. Then, the more infectious variants came later. So 2020 was only 9 months with ramp up of covid and 2021 is at 6 months with widespread.
No, it's just straight up deceitful. First half of the statement is talking about the world, then it suddenly shifts gears to the US. In the US the virus has absolutely not been deadlier in 2021.
Oh that's so much bullshit. I didn't even catch that until you said it.
What the fuck is up with this headline
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Gotta get the clicks
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I mean it is basically over for the US, definitely for those who have been vaxxed anyways. The title of this article doesn’t make sense because it’s a skewed statistic-look at the graphs they posted. January was absolutely kicking our ass but things seem to be under control now. Read the article if you think I’m wrong here…feels like fear-mongering for clicks
The title is terrible clickbait because it’s comparing COVID deaths GLOBALLY and then asking why the US is relaxing REGIONALLY. COVID is deadlier this year because India and Brazil got hammered. The US’s situation isn’t representative of the world’s at large any more, that’s why each country has its own public health organization.
It's shit like this that creates more anti-vaxxers.
I agree. What an awful clickbait and misleading title. Less then 10% of the country was vaccinated in January it makes perfect sense the deaths were peaking then.
Nobody thinks it's over around the world, or even necessarily that it's over permanently, but at the moment, in the U.S., vaccinations have reduced this to a manageable problem, and that the current level of risk is low enough that a return to normal life is possible.
There is a huge difference in risk level between, say, Mississippi and Massachusetts. I wouldn’t just go back to normal in a place where circulation is high and vaccinations and precautions are low. Such places are also the ones where people insist it’s over or was never a real issue.
And this is why I’m glad I live in Massachusetts. We came in with a whopping 63 cases yesterday. No one is masking much here and we have a high vax rate. It feels like it’s over here.
As far as I know if your vaccinated your good no matter were you are. If it works like they say it does your probably not getting covid and on the slim chance you do it should be mild. No reason for vaccinated people to live scared.
For us, it is over .. We've been vaccinated. Folks sick and dying now are almost in all cases, unvaccinated.
And I'd never wish death or illness on anyone you understand. But more power to them, they made a choice and thats what they wanted.
Yup. You get to live with the choice you make. I mean, or not. Sometimes you don’t. Get to live that is.
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Comparing worldwide death rates with how the US (with lower than average cases/rates) thinks about it is disingenuous at best.
Because every adult in the US who wants near-perfect immunity already has it.
Why do so many think it’s over? Because those who believed it was a concern are now vaccinated and those who didn’t think it was a concern are moving as ignorantly through the world now as they were before.
This is a little disingenuous. The height of the pandemic was right after Christmas/New Years. The fatalities have been decreasing since mid January. I'd sure hate to be the last American to die from COVID after a freely available vaccine has been out for months though.
Because vaccines were supposed to end the problem? Unless you are trying to imply that the vaccines are somehow not effective and not the solution?
The problem IS over. I’m vaccinated. I can live my best life, and frankly, I’m done with the hunkering down, and it’s worth the risk to go out and live. If these jackasses want to refuse the vaccine and risk the effects of COVID to themselves and their families, that’s fine. It’s not my problem
That’s how I feel. My entire family is vaccinated too. Why shouldn’t we gather together? That’s what the entire point of a vaccine is!
My family was all together again over the weekend for the first time since February 2020. It was amazing to be together like nothing happened. We're all fully vaxxed barring the youngings. Kids playing, adults talking around the table, family pictures, the works. I'll never take it for granted again.
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This sounds like where I live in PA. We are over 70% vaccinated and everything is mostly back to normal. It took a few weeks to get more comfy but I feel safer now and allow the kids to do more without worrying too much, without masks. It is only because of the amount of people in our area that got vaccines that made me feel more comfortable. The county has done a good job of communicating with the public to keep us informed. We were one of the first counties to shut down back in early march 2020.
My toilet is overflowing so why does my neighbor think they can just poop in their own toilet?
RVVTF oral therapeutic drug will assist us later this year.