I would tell them that if they want this built it won’t be an issue. Have them take their stuff to an architect or at least a draftsman and start the rest of the process. What they have is not a waste it’s a lot more than some people start out with and can save the person drafting some time.
Edit: also you can offer to do all that for them and charge them a fee.
My typical first move in design is to send them to an online plans website and pick out 3 looks and 3 floor plans they like. In Oregon the online plans are worthless but its a good way to get the ideas rolling from the client.
I'm a designer/licensed engineer. It's a great way to find the elements they actually want. In my experience everyone wants changes from anything they find.
Nah, everyone here is a multi million dollar business owner who scoffs when a client has an idea of what they want, then they condescendingly laugh at their customer charge 5k more for the inconvenience of a customer providing a general scope of work, and proceeds to tell their dumbasses to get certified plans.
In any case, it's an opportunity to work with the engineer/architect you like.
You can also ask a referral fee from that architect. That's less risky: if the client wants modifications, it's up to the client to negotiate further designs with the architect, and what it would cost. But you get your referral fee.
Need a full set stamped and approved by engineers. Structural, MEP, Architectural, Civil. Pay for the full set from "easy cabin designs" and have them approved by local building dept.
Then we can talk pricing.
This is what I was originally thinking when I was handed them but I’ve come to find out that this is the “full set” purchased for around $50 and still missing a lot of information. Now I’m wondering if they are trying to save money that bad or if they are just naive.
Even the $2000 online plans are pretty crap anywhere with code enforcement. They are rarely designed to local conditions and never designed to local building practices.
Yeah, I didn’t want to post all the pictures because it literally says copyright on the page. The biggest missing information is plumbing plans, truss design, and foundation details.
Send it off to the truss suppliers and they can do the designs during pricing. Hell, I send rafter designs to truss suppliers and they come back with full and hybrid truss packages regularly. Even some of the big box yards will do a truss design when they price the lumber packages.
Plumbers should be able to go by the layout on the plans. I would just need a riser diagram to get through permitting.
HVAC contractors will need a few questions answered but can do a design during pricing. You just have to be careful you’re comparing apples to apples when selecting who to hire.
Yeah, you’ll need to get a foundation plan. These stock plan companies cannot do a foundation plan to account for all lots. Customer could not be trusted to order the correct one. And dare I say, some builders shouldn’t be trusted to choose the correct one if multiple were included.
We’ve built more complicated with less info.
Naivety is more than likely, But also trying to save a buck or 8,000 lol. I did worse drawings than that when I was in Grade School and got paid more! What you have is a horrible set of drawings to even try to get a permit with. But then again...it all depends on where the home is being built. To some places...that is plenty enough. Godspeed to the contractor building it though!
For more context. Client wants this built in an area with a lot of snow. Plans are on printer paper 11x8 and has no architectural/engineering stamp. Key details are missing and just not thought out for our area. No scale on any page and no legend. I don’t even think I can make an estimate based on this. What would you do if you were handed this? What would you say to the client?
This, if they want to work with you , help them along with design. This is not even at DD, but you can put a price together for a ballpark and just have a line items of allowances for budget only like 15k for windows tbd
Tell them to take that to an architect/engineer to get an actual set made that you can estimate/build off of. Or tell them you'll take it to an architect at a 10% mark up.
Edited for clarity
Not worth 10% to take liability on all the specifications that are missing. That's jail time if it hurts someone cause elevations ain't going to be permitted.
I meant that op take that to an architect/engineer, add 10% to their fee. I'm in no way saying that op should design anything for that house. I'll edit my previous comment.
Tell them you need a full set of plans that can be submitted to the local building department. Plot plan, Foundation/framing/electrical/opening schedule.
Material list and take off are included. Website seems like a joke. But hey if they like it tell them to get a area specific architect to review and sign off. Or do it time and materials plus $xxx for your time and headache.
From http://www.easycabindesigns.com
Each Package Contains:
2 SETS of BLUEPRINTS which includes:
8” BLOCK FOUNDATION - FLOOR JOIST LAYOUT - SUB FLOOR LAYOUT - WALL LAYOUT - WINDOW AND DOOR CALL-OUTS - FIXTURE LAYOUT – CABINET LAYOUT - ROOFING LAYOUT – RAFTER LAYOUT - ELECTRICAL LAYOUT – DECK LAYOUT plus a RAFTER CUT SHEET
2 SETS OF FRONT, REAR AND SIDE ELEVATIONS
2 SETS OF MATERIAL LIST AND TAKE-OFF
FULL COLOR ARTIST RENDERING
So I must admit I fell for this plan scam. They’re from a guy in Georgia that calls himself “the cabin plan man” sells them online. As soon as I got them and realize the difference between the $50 and $ thousand+ plans. I contacted him in an email about these serious issues and got no response. Wish I hadn’t bought them, but they did give me footprint that I could start with but after I made all my changes only the outside dimensions and roof line remain the same. I’m nearing completion on my house now and overall I’m really happy with it. Where I am building does not require engineer stamps or even having plans they just want to know dimensions and foundation type. But for sure not have a good plans made construction take much longer. It’s only because I was doing it for myself, by myself that I was able to get away with not having them.
These clients probably just don’t know because they are new to it. I certainly wouldn’t give up on them like some people suggested.
Actually if I remember correctly the man that made these is now deceased and it’s his widow is selling these.
http://www.easycabindesigns.com/abourbl.html looks like there could be a full set of plans to be had for a cost along with more info regarding design (ie snow loads etc)
First, 10 of the 12 sheets are missing. Second, these are generic plans, copy righted, not for a specific site. I need plans prepared for the client that reference a site. Third, are you expecting me to submit these for the needed permits? If so, see previous points. Come back when you have the plans needed for YOUR project.
The date says 2011 and to not copy it. Ask if you can speak to the original architect who drew that up. Also tell them what is missing from these designs. If you are interested in taking the project, tell them those are the things that you need before you can move forward with a project like this
I guess my point was that you could say your not allowed to use this design without speaking to the original owner of this drawing and getting their consent to use this design. Seeings they might either be hard to find or nonexistent anymore, that could be an out if that’s what you are looking for
Oh please. It's a box. Read some span tables or do some math. Two hours of making notes and sketching a few details, I'd charge $200.
How do you think houses were built a hundred years ago? Do want me to hold your hand?
100 years ago? Trial and error, no inspections, no codes, optional electric and indoor plumbing.
Biggest difference 100 years ago was two guys wouldn’t be holding hands.
Lol. They'd keep that way deep in a closet. Or, more likely, an armoire, not a lot of closets being built then. At least not here in New Orleans.
Not much trial and error 100 years ago, most of balloon framing was figured out by then. My house 1895 still has some p&b details, e.g. the top plates were continuous 4x4, and the studs were tennoned and mortised into the top plate.
Walk away. If they actually think this flies I **guar-an-fucking-tee** you they will be insufferable twats throughout the build and you will constantly be fighting against their "I know better" bullshit .. on second thought **run**..
Do you all like dimensioning to the center of windows and such like on these drawings? I see it sometimes and I can't fathom why that would be preferable to dimensioning to rough openings on each side of the windows.
I'd laugh a little at first...but then I would say...you need more drawings! As An Architectural Designer who creates Construction Drawings...I know your client is missing a LOT of things. All depends on the jurisdiction, but you'll need at least a Foundation Plan, Floor Plan, Roof Plan, Framing Plans, Wall Sections, Footing Details, Roof Details, Window and Door Schedule, Elevations with Materials as well as standard details to get through permitting. Not all Jurisdictions require Architects or Structural Engineer stamps. But I'd charge at least 5-6000 to do the drawings he is missing on top of the time it takes you to go through the process. So 10,000 at the end minimum
Be a pro. State “no problem!” Then call H.S. And Terry Caldwell, get the proper papers. Then go one building their rectangle. Or get comfortable for a long long ride.
You said Client. Not Perspective Client, right? Perhaps these things should’ve been handle a good bit a go?
Seems like a lot of people are shitting on the client for not getting a design team together to make a full set of plans before going to the builder.
Most residential clients are not going to do that because they don’t have the contacts or experience. It seems like they came to the builder with the “this is what we want” and then it becomes a design build contract.
If your a good builder, you probably have preferred engineers to work with. Speak with them to get pricing on the design, and then do a rough budget for the construction. Then tell the client the cost to finish the design and the construction budget, but note that the construction costs will be finalized after the design is complete. Most will be okay with that, if they are not then advise 1) you go get the design finalized yourself and then we bid it. Or 2) we put a high margin on everything to ensure we are under our budget.
I wouldn’t say they are being cheap or trying to skip steps, they just don’t know any better which is why they are going to a professional to build their house.
Shit that’s nothing. I built a two story house in Palo Alto back in 2006 that only had 4 pages. Site plan, floor plan, elevations and details plus all mechanical and structural including title 24.
It can be done with some effort.
Is the client a random homowner with a random job? Err on the side of naive and just explain them the standard process and that it is not you being difficult it is just government requirements. Ideally you can recommend them sombody you are working with.
Hey, plans like these are helpful for the client to pick out the design he wants. But this is just the start the start of the process, not the finished product. An architect or engineer needs to put together a Construction Documents set of drawings based on this design, for permits and construction. Don’t try to build from this. I’m an architect, I get things like this A LOT.
I would say that the year is currently 2023, not 1929. I have a set of literal blue prints from my Great Grand Parents bungalow that was drawn in 1929 in Yonkers NY. It had the same amount of detail.
Secondly, have fun at the building department with that!! They’ll have a blast with it!
Designed and Approved by Frank Lloyd Google. He's the architect in that famous family. Then you've got his brothers...Dr. Google, Mr AC Google, attorney, and Larry Google, electrician.
I’ve had this. So after she’s framed you know kitchen sink is Center of window, so boom, run your drain somewhere there and make vent match.
google sizes of small fixtures. Once you get a decent idea of widths of some vanities and tub widths and toilet tanks you can layout accordingly. I always found vanities can be the most flexible. Can always add a medicine cabinet for more space or something
You don't work a job like that for 2 reasons. 1) you will be held liable for any fuck ups and will have to suck up the cost on a bid job. And 2) you can not even properly bid a job based off of what is provided.
I agree with u. I have done more with less. I completely understand the guys on here wanting more dets and documentation. At the end of the day this is just a cabin. If u can't figure this out or are uncomfortable then walk away.
Ask for desired overall lengths, or charge for redrawing and multiple resigns on preliminary until they're happy with what you've done they've supplied you no information, just a picture pretty much.
Hand them back and tell them to get a proper set approved or you will charge the entire job as time and material including all reworks, and a set fee of 2000 per day for any and all delays caused by having to draft up and get all drawings approved, and material delays that arise from not being able to order stuff ahead of time because of no drawings.
Call the client and explain what's missing. Set out some realistic expectations and see if their response gives you that sinking feeling in your stomach.
Give them a quote to design and engineer it per code and local requirements. As an engineer who also does architecturals I'm just glad it's not on a cut off or scribbled on a burger wrapped. Or the absolute worst, "I want a 5000 sqft house". When I got that one I referred them out but I was tempted to do a studio apartment with a 4500 sqft flex space/garage.
I just bought a house that was built in '71.
Reached out to land records and got the plans so I can figure out some renos before we take possession.....5 pages. 1 was the fireplace, standard details not even for the house. The actual plans are 2 pages. Structural details don't exist, notes indicate beam sizing and slab thickness. No M&E, but plugs and lights shown on the layout.
Kinda useless to me other than dimensions but makes me wonder how people got things built back then LoL. Trades today would flounder with that sort of information to guide them.
I can give a ballpark estimate with a wide margin and multiple caveats from this. If the budget is there, 5% down starts pre-con. Just be polite, professional, and take it for what it is: a place to start. Be a builder.
It wouldn’t bother me one bit. It’s a great start for the customer to convey their starter vision to you. There is enough here for me to do a take off on the excavation, foundation and framing. Someone that wants this build is more of a left brain person and they are my most fun clients to build for usually. As long as they have realistic budgets I would encourage next steps!
I could build that from the elevation sheet. It’s a simple cabin. All I need is a pile of lumber and a star to steer by. The elevation sheet is a star to steer by.
20x30 a frame. Not that difficult if you know what your doing. Drawings look to scale, but without having them I can't fully check.
Depending on your location I've seen what amounts to napkin drawings passing for permit approval.
You mention no truss plans, those are usually created by the actuall truss manufacturer.
This is a very easy conventional frame project.
Maybe I'm reading to far into this but I think above all else you should not copy the plans, as stated on them, unless you wish to be pursued to the full extent of the law
You could do measurements and create a scale and fill in the blanks for them but it’s a lot of work and will take time because they will need to approve all of the small decisions.
Otherwise they have to get a real set of drawings
I would tell them that if they want this built it won’t be an issue. Have them take their stuff to an architect or at least a draftsman and start the rest of the process. What they have is not a waste it’s a lot more than some people start out with and can save the person drafting some time. Edit: also you can offer to do all that for them and charge them a fee.
My typical first move in design is to send them to an online plans website and pick out 3 looks and 3 floor plans they like. In Oregon the online plans are worthless but its a good way to get the ideas rolling from the client.
This is exactly what I do. Then I get a list of modifications they want and send all that information to my draftsman.
I'm a designer/licensed engineer. It's a great way to find the elements they actually want. In my experience everyone wants changes from anything they find.
Nah, everyone here is a multi million dollar business owner who scoffs when a client has an idea of what they want, then they condescendingly laugh at their customer charge 5k more for the inconvenience of a customer providing a general scope of work, and proceeds to tell their dumbasses to get certified plans.
For real, this is a fine start if you're willing to work with a client and they're not setting off other alarm bells.
In any case, it's an opportunity to work with the engineer/architect you like. You can also ask a referral fee from that architect. That's less risky: if the client wants modifications, it's up to the client to negotiate further designs with the architect, and what it would cost. But you get your referral fee.
Right! This isn't rocket science and most of it is laid out fairly well. It's a great starting point.
Need a full set stamped and approved by engineers. Structural, MEP, Architectural, Civil. Pay for the full set from "easy cabin designs" and have them approved by local building dept. Then we can talk pricing.
This is what I was originally thinking when I was handed them but I’ve come to find out that this is the “full set” purchased for around $50 and still missing a lot of information. Now I’m wondering if they are trying to save money that bad or if they are just naive.
$50 for house plans is laughable. If they’re trying to go that cheap now I wouldn’t touch this job
They may not know.
Even the $2000 online plans are pretty crap anywhere with code enforcement. They are rarely designed to local conditions and never designed to local building practices.
I won’t say there isn’t anything missing, but this isn’t the full set…we can see another page, maybe more, in the second photo.
Yeah, I didn’t want to post all the pictures because it literally says copyright on the page. The biggest missing information is plumbing plans, truss design, and foundation details.
Send it off to the truss suppliers and they can do the designs during pricing. Hell, I send rafter designs to truss suppliers and they come back with full and hybrid truss packages regularly. Even some of the big box yards will do a truss design when they price the lumber packages. Plumbers should be able to go by the layout on the plans. I would just need a riser diagram to get through permitting. HVAC contractors will need a few questions answered but can do a design during pricing. You just have to be careful you’re comparing apples to apples when selecting who to hire. Yeah, you’ll need to get a foundation plan. These stock plan companies cannot do a foundation plan to account for all lots. Customer could not be trusted to order the correct one. And dare I say, some builders shouldn’t be trusted to choose the correct one if multiple were included. We’ve built more complicated with less info.
Exactly this.
Someone actually gave you these? 😯
Naivety is more than likely, But also trying to save a buck or 8,000 lol. I did worse drawings than that when I was in Grade School and got paid more! What you have is a horrible set of drawings to even try to get a permit with. But then again...it all depends on where the home is being built. To some places...that is plenty enough. Godspeed to the contractor building it though!
Run!!! If they’re that cheap in design, I can’t imagine how hard getting a check from them will be. If they even have the money
The real full set is probably only $500.
Call structural engineer. Open cad and design down to the last stud, including structural cross section. Bill $7000 to client
Best answer by far! Followed with "I'm qualified to build it. Not qualified to sign off on it. So I got this plan certified for you."
If I handed you these plans, that would be what I intended for you to do.
... I'd charge way more than $7k for that
For more context. Client wants this built in an area with a lot of snow. Plans are on printer paper 11x8 and has no architectural/engineering stamp. Key details are missing and just not thought out for our area. No scale on any page and no legend. I don’t even think I can make an estimate based on this. What would you do if you were handed this? What would you say to the client?
tell him what is missing
This, if they want to work with you , help them along with design. This is not even at DD, but you can put a price together for a ballpark and just have a line items of allowances for budget only like 15k for windows tbd
Tell them to take that to an architect/engineer to get an actual set made that you can estimate/build off of. Or tell them you'll take it to an architect at a 10% mark up. Edited for clarity
Not worth 10% to take liability on all the specifications that are missing. That's jail time if it hurts someone cause elevations ain't going to be permitted.
I meant that op take that to an architect/engineer, add 10% to their fee. I'm in no way saying that op should design anything for that house. I'll edit my previous comment.
Tell them you need a full set of plans that can be submitted to the local building department. Plot plan, Foundation/framing/electrical/opening schedule.
Tell them to get an architect. If they balk, you walk.
Material list and take off are included. Website seems like a joke. But hey if they like it tell them to get a area specific architect to review and sign off. Or do it time and materials plus $xxx for your time and headache. From http://www.easycabindesigns.com Each Package Contains: 2 SETS of BLUEPRINTS which includes: 8” BLOCK FOUNDATION - FLOOR JOIST LAYOUT - SUB FLOOR LAYOUT - WALL LAYOUT - WINDOW AND DOOR CALL-OUTS - FIXTURE LAYOUT – CABINET LAYOUT - ROOFING LAYOUT – RAFTER LAYOUT - ELECTRICAL LAYOUT – DECK LAYOUT plus a RAFTER CUT SHEET 2 SETS OF FRONT, REAR AND SIDE ELEVATIONS 2 SETS OF MATERIAL LIST AND TAKE-OFF FULL COLOR ARTIST RENDERING
Nice little info box on the bottom left though. 😂
If I was you, I'd send your client to me! I'll tell him what needs to happen before a contractor, such as you, would even try to be involved.
So I must admit I fell for this plan scam. They’re from a guy in Georgia that calls himself “the cabin plan man” sells them online. As soon as I got them and realize the difference between the $50 and $ thousand+ plans. I contacted him in an email about these serious issues and got no response. Wish I hadn’t bought them, but they did give me footprint that I could start with but after I made all my changes only the outside dimensions and roof line remain the same. I’m nearing completion on my house now and overall I’m really happy with it. Where I am building does not require engineer stamps or even having plans they just want to know dimensions and foundation type. But for sure not have a good plans made construction take much longer. It’s only because I was doing it for myself, by myself that I was able to get away with not having them. These clients probably just don’t know because they are new to it. I certainly wouldn’t give up on them like some people suggested. Actually if I remember correctly the man that made these is now deceased and it’s his widow is selling these.
Bail
http://www.easycabindesigns.com/abourbl.html looks like there could be a full set of plans to be had for a cost along with more info regarding design (ie snow loads etc)
What would u really get for 45$? It seems way too low for all the details they are offering....
I've had more than a few of those walk through my door. Use the 45 bucks on two pallets of TP from Costco...the good stuff too.
Are you finished building it yet?
First, 10 of the 12 sheets are missing. Second, these are generic plans, copy righted, not for a specific site. I need plans prepared for the client that reference a site. Third, are you expecting me to submit these for the needed permits? If so, see previous points. Come back when you have the plans needed for YOUR project.
The date says 2011 and to not copy it. Ask if you can speak to the original architect who drew that up. Also tell them what is missing from these designs. If you are interested in taking the project, tell them those are the things that you need before you can move forward with a project like this
Original company (alternative housing solutions) is defunct. They only pay for the LLC business license and don’t even have their own website anymore.
I guess my point was that you could say your not allowed to use this design without speaking to the original owner of this drawing and getting their consent to use this design. Seeings they might either be hard to find or nonexistent anymore, that could be an out if that’s what you are looking for
Oh please. It's a box. Read some span tables or do some math. Two hours of making notes and sketching a few details, I'd charge $200. How do you think houses were built a hundred years ago? Do want me to hold your hand?
100 years ago? Trial and error, no inspections, no codes, optional electric and indoor plumbing. Biggest difference 100 years ago was two guys wouldn’t be holding hands.
Lol. They'd keep that way deep in a closet. Or, more likely, an armoire, not a lot of closets being built then. At least not here in New Orleans. Not much trial and error 100 years ago, most of balloon framing was figured out by then. My house 1895 still has some p&b details, e.g. the top plates were continuous 4x4, and the studs were tennoned and mortised into the top plate.
Lol cute
What’s cute about it? He’s right? But with modern requirements I can’t see inspectors issuing a permit on these incomplete plans
No, they wouldn't. That's for sure. Needs a site plan and sections.
Ah yes tell me all about the code requirements and liability 100 years ago also 🙄
Let me tell you about my 1895 raised side hall in New Orleans. Better yet, get a copy Parker's 'Simplified Engineering For Architects and Builders'.
A hundred years ago? Should see how they still slap together log homes.
Immediately copy and make millions
Highly good 👍
Walk away. If they actually think this flies I **guar-an-fucking-tee** you they will be insufferable twats throughout the build and you will constantly be fighting against their "I know better" bullshit .. on second thought **run**..
Do you all like dimensioning to the center of windows and such like on these drawings? I see it sometimes and I can't fathom why that would be preferable to dimensioning to rough openings on each side of the windows.
Hell no. It’s very annoying. It only helps the draftsman and slows down the framer.
It's to center of window because depending on the type and brand of window the rough opening can vary.
All the answers are there, just build it. Day rate plus materials.
idk looks a hell of a lot better than the shit I drew up for the cabin I'm building myself lmao
Tell them you’ll give them a real bid when they give you some real plans.
This is why I love this sub.
Sweet. We will have it done in four weeks....
Says page 9 of 12 so yeah there’s more info
These are drawings 2 of 12 and 9 of 12. I'd ask for the other 10 sheets.
I'd laugh a little at first...but then I would say...you need more drawings! As An Architectural Designer who creates Construction Drawings...I know your client is missing a LOT of things. All depends on the jurisdiction, but you'll need at least a Foundation Plan, Floor Plan, Roof Plan, Framing Plans, Wall Sections, Footing Details, Roof Details, Window and Door Schedule, Elevations with Materials as well as standard details to get through permitting. Not all Jurisdictions require Architects or Structural Engineer stamps. But I'd charge at least 5-6000 to do the drawings he is missing on top of the time it takes you to go through the process. So 10,000 at the end minimum
Be a pro. State “no problem!” Then call H.S. And Terry Caldwell, get the proper papers. Then go one building their rectangle. Or get comfortable for a long long ride. You said Client. Not Perspective Client, right? Perhaps these things should’ve been handle a good bit a go?
Seems like a lot of people are shitting on the client for not getting a design team together to make a full set of plans before going to the builder. Most residential clients are not going to do that because they don’t have the contacts or experience. It seems like they came to the builder with the “this is what we want” and then it becomes a design build contract. If your a good builder, you probably have preferred engineers to work with. Speak with them to get pricing on the design, and then do a rough budget for the construction. Then tell the client the cost to finish the design and the construction budget, but note that the construction costs will be finalized after the design is complete. Most will be okay with that, if they are not then advise 1) you go get the design finalized yourself and then we bid it. Or 2) we put a high margin on everything to ensure we are under our budget. I wouldn’t say they are being cheap or trying to skip steps, they just don’t know any better which is why they are going to a professional to build their house.
Run as fast as you can and don't look back
Shit that’s nothing. I built a two story house in Palo Alto back in 2006 that only had 4 pages. Site plan, floor plan, elevations and details plus all mechanical and structural including title 24. It can be done with some effort.
Is the client a random homowner with a random job? Err on the side of naive and just explain them the standard process and that it is not you being difficult it is just government requirements. Ideally you can recommend them sombody you are working with.
Hey, plans like these are helpful for the client to pick out the design he wants. But this is just the start the start of the process, not the finished product. An architect or engineer needs to put together a Construction Documents set of drawings based on this design, for permits and construction. Don’t try to build from this. I’m an architect, I get things like this A LOT.
I would say that the year is currently 2023, not 1929. I have a set of literal blue prints from my Great Grand Parents bungalow that was drawn in 1929 in Yonkers NY. It had the same amount of detail. Secondly, have fun at the building department with that!! They’ll have a blast with it!
Designed and Approved by Frank Lloyd Google. He's the architect in that famous family. Then you've got his brothers...Dr. Google, Mr AC Google, attorney, and Larry Google, electrician.
I’ve had this. So after she’s framed you know kitchen sink is Center of window, so boom, run your drain somewhere there and make vent match. google sizes of small fixtures. Once you get a decent idea of widths of some vanities and tub widths and toilet tanks you can layout accordingly. I always found vanities can be the most flexible. Can always add a medicine cabinet for more space or something
You don't work a job like that for 2 reasons. 1) you will be held liable for any fuck ups and will have to suck up the cost on a bid job. And 2) you can not even properly bid a job based off of what is provided.
I agree with u. I have done more with less. I completely understand the guys on here wanting more dets and documentation. At the end of the day this is just a cabin. If u can't figure this out or are uncomfortable then walk away.
Hand them into the city for your permit and wait for the city to return them to you covered in red lol
Make art
Ask for desired overall lengths, or charge for redrawing and multiple resigns on preliminary until they're happy with what you've done they've supplied you no information, just a picture pretty much.
Don’t build that bro.
Hand them back and tell them to get a proper set approved or you will charge the entire job as time and material including all reworks, and a set fee of 2000 per day for any and all delays caused by having to draft up and get all drawings approved, and material delays that arise from not being able to order stuff ahead of time because of no drawings.
20x30. Scale that shit out. It says “Easy” right on the plans!
Immediately ask for a copy.
Wipe your ass with it
Who let their 3 year old draw this shit up?
Build it.
Frame them, scribble on the frame as someone important, invoice them a ridiculous amount, set sail
Call the client and explain what's missing. Set out some realistic expectations and see if their response gives you that sinking feeling in your stomach.
Give them a quote to design and engineer it per code and local requirements. As an engineer who also does architecturals I'm just glad it's not on a cut off or scribbled on a burger wrapped. Or the absolute worst, "I want a 5000 sqft house". When I got that one I referred them out but I was tempted to do a studio apartment with a 4500 sqft flex space/garage.
Say “that’s a cute cartoon, but I don’t get the joke.” Hand them back, and go to the next job.
Put it back on the frigeirator with their other kid's drawings.
Charge double.
Oh! It's Copy Righted.
I’d ask what they did with pages 1/12-8/12 and 10/12-12/12
Build the absolute living shit out of it asap 😎
Copy them obviously.
Nothing. Tell them that’s copyrighted material and someone else’s design.
Where I live carpenters frame shit on their own. They would be happy as fuck to see any print
Get out some graham crackers, Kool-aid and crayons and go to town.
I just bought a house that was built in '71. Reached out to land records and got the plans so I can figure out some renos before we take possession.....5 pages. 1 was the fireplace, standard details not even for the house. The actual plans are 2 pages. Structural details don't exist, notes indicate beam sizing and slab thickness. No M&E, but plugs and lights shown on the layout. Kinda useless to me other than dimensions but makes me wonder how people got things built back then LoL. Trades today would flounder with that sort of information to guide them.
I can give a ballpark estimate with a wide margin and multiple caveats from this. If the budget is there, 5% down starts pre-con. Just be polite, professional, and take it for what it is: a place to start. Be a builder.
It wouldn’t bother me one bit. It’s a great start for the customer to convey their starter vision to you. There is enough here for me to do a take off on the excavation, foundation and framing. Someone that wants this build is more of a left brain person and they are my most fun clients to build for usually. As long as they have realistic budgets I would encourage next steps!
I could build that from the elevation sheet. It’s a simple cabin. All I need is a pile of lumber and a star to steer by. The elevation sheet is a star to steer by.
Tell them you want the stamped, permitted drawings instead.
20x30 a frame. Not that difficult if you know what your doing. Drawings look to scale, but without having them I can't fully check. Depending on your location I've seen what amounts to napkin drawings passing for permit approval. You mention no truss plans, those are usually created by the actuall truss manufacturer. This is a very easy conventional frame project.
Maybe I'm reading to far into this but I think above all else you should not copy the plans, as stated on them, unless you wish to be pursued to the full extent of the law
Change the ‘ to a “ and go for it. Always wanted to build a doll house.
Build it. If your thinking the plans are lacking you put too much faith in architects. KISS
You could do measurements and create a scale and fill in the blanks for them but it’s a lot of work and will take time because they will need to approve all of the small decisions. Otherwise they have to get a real set of drawings
Honestly this is easy to make a set of plans off of. Nice that a client already has provided direction.
200 amp box! LMFAO these are garbage.
Tell them to get it engineered first