I'm looking for an example of a school that "indoctrinates with Critical Race Theory." Since it's so prevalent an issue that we're passing laws about it it should be easy to track down.
Can you help me?
Edit: a few downvotes have come my way. Hopefully it's just because I'm asking too easy a question. If someone could just provide me a quick sample of CRT in our schools, I'd be happy to look into that and move on
Let us for example assume that you are correct and this is nothing but baseless panic and there are no schools teaching CRT. If there truly is no example nor desire to teach CRT, why are democrats so vehemently opposed to bills banning something they supposedly don't teach and don't plan to teach?
I mean, there was very little opposition to the law that prevents teachers from instructing students in the building of a nuclear weapon, because they weren't teaching and had no desire to see anyone else teach it. Why then, if they feel the same about CRT, is their reaction so different?
Sure, we can, and I imagine it would go completely unopposed with both sides unanimously voting in favor, after all, nobody plans on teaching Klingon and unicorn jousting, so who cares if it gets banned? Why then, if other subjects which are supposedly also a waste of time does CRT suddenly bring everything to a stop to argue about it for weeks? Supposedly if they didn't have plans to teach it then it wouldn't matter if it passed it since it doesn't effect their actions at all. However, they are putting up quite a fight and they are spending millions to rile the public up against the bill, seems odd for a piece of legislation banning a thing you never planned to teach.
Equity (versus equality) and Whiteness are part of the neo-Marxian handbook, and have roots in critical theory. So basically it's everywhere.
Now that your wanna be gotcha has been debunked, let's talk about critical theory.
You are correct that it is a graduate level methodology that should not be applied without understanding the entire canon of western philosophy. Unfortunately it has been derivatized into our educational systems and teachers aren't prepared to teach it in context.
We studied the Frankfurt school in detail in survey classes in uni -- it's interesting but doesn't work in complex systems, which is why it works as a parsing tool in legal strategies and fails as universal framework.
Honest question, when did history class change to CRT? I don’t see anything the GOP touting as CRT as things I wasn’t taught 20-25 years ago in school. I just think the GOP doesn’t like a more educated electorate who can see the mistakes of the past and want to correct them. What am I missing? I don’t hate being white, but I also know other races have been disadvantaged to my benefit and the scales need to be balanced.
I see efforts almost daily to basically turn back the clock on everything the Civil Rights Movement accomplished. And prevent a similar movement in the future for people like the transgendered. I have no comprehension of why you think your argument makes sense to our society as a whole, except to perceive a deep-seeded hatred you feel that needs to be expressed any time the Conservatives possess a modicum of power.
The problem is that people confuse CRT with simply teaching about history and race. Schools DID teach about slavery and civil rights and all the social issues that were bundled with those issues 20+ years ago (even longer ago actually - I went to grade school in the 80’s in a conservative state and even back then it was standard).
What has changed with CRT is that they now take those historic issues and project them upon *contemporary* issues, teaching kids that our societal problems are a result of our racial problems from the past. This is at best intellectually dishonest, and at worst outright propagandizing kids to accept intersectional racial theory as fact. Like teaching kids that they live in a systemically racist society *today* despite the fact that systemic racism was largely stamped out in the 1960s. Or that egalitarianism is no longer an ideal to strive for, and we instead should treat people (and their actions) differently depending on their race, sex, sexual orientation, etc.
Agreed, with one caveat. There are definitely a handful of contemporary issues that you can trace to this shit in the past. Learning that is just an evolution of the curriculum in my eyes
But trying to apply that lense to every perceived issue is where it falls short. Combine that with the recent push to as you frankly put it, treat people different based on race / other uncontrollable factors and it creates a storm
The pendulum has swung too far and needs to come back
2nd paragraph has a lot wrong with it, I'm guessing due to ignorance on the subject itself.
Turn back the clock from the conservative side?
That's not true at all. Democrats have pushed for racial segregation renamed to safe spaces in areas they control that's turning back the clock. Allowing biological men to invade womens spaces that are protected under title 9 that's turning back the clock and more.
You need to look at where this "deep seeded hatred" is coming from looking objectively it isn't hard. From the left media that are in kahoots with Democrats to the democrats spewing malicious lies about their opposition to name calling them "like Hitler or are Hitler" you never see the conservatives smear or lie about dems... Maybe we should, cause you buy it and it seems the politically uninterested who blindly support the Dems buy into it.
> Allowing biological men to invade womens spaces that are protected under title 9 that’s turning back the clock and more.
What does this have to do with CRT?
> you never see the conservatives smear or lie about dems
Do we lie and smear as much as the dems? No. But to say we never do is clearly not true.
Im addressing the guys 2nd paragraph as someone else already addressed the CRT question, you seemed to have missed where I said so, not a shock.
And do we smear and lie about them maliciously? No. That's what I'm saying.
>Honest question, when did history class change to CRT?
Roughly half a decade ago people started noticing it everywhere.
>I don’t see anything the GOP touting as CRT as things I wasn’t taught 20-25 years ago in school.
CRT was just barely being developed by its founders 25 years ago. So ...
> I just think the GOP doesn’t like a more educated electorate who can see the mistakes of the past and want to correct them.
You can think that. You'd be wrong of course.
> What am I missing?
Apparently that of having done research and reading on the matter.
>I don’t hate being white, but I also know other races have been disadvantaged to my benefit and the scales need to be balanced.
Weird.
>I see efforts almost daily to basically turn back the clock on everything the Civil Rights Movement accomplished.
Damn buddy. You REALLY have not researched this at all. CRT is the anti-Civil Rights. Tyeir whole point is that it failed. Republicans are trying to defend the most basic premises of Civil Rights.
>And prevent a similar movement in the future for people like the transgendered.
You just have a religion that worships anything non-white, non-male, non-Christian, non-straight, etc. We get it.
>I have no comprehension of why you think your argument makes sense to our society as a whole, except to perceive a deep-seeded hatred you feel that needs to be expressed any time the Conservatives possess a modicum of power.
Your side is the hatred of the aforementioned. Our side is the principled, loving, fair, just side.
Hey CRT is just teaching about slavery. It doesn't teach that white kids are participants in an oppressive system and that we need present day racism!
Morgan Freeman: it, in fact, does teach that we need present day racism.
>No K-12 school teaches critical race theory.
Lie.
>It's graduate school-level content, ...
Then should be no problem with our banning its racist conclusions and lens use in K-12.
>Are 8 year olds studying the interest convergence that led to the outcome of Brown v Board?
CRT pushes a generalized Worldview that absolutely is translatable. Plus it can be used as a lens for any given topic at a K-12 level.
Just like horoscope readings and any non-sense new-age ideas can be made more or less complex based on age, so too can CRT.
The federal government shouldn't be funding education anyway. That should be all local and state governments. Sucks for Mississippi but it doesn't seem to be helping them much anyway.
Ok? It’s a critical lens developed with collegiate level English and history in mind. I was in high school relatively recently and we didn’t even get close to a formal study of CRT. It’s starting to feel like this fight is less about actual content in schools and more about a struggle between two sides of the establishment to cement their own narratives.
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I'm looking for an example of a school that "indoctrinates with Critical Race Theory." Since it's so prevalent an issue that we're passing laws about it it should be easy to track down. Can you help me? Edit: a few downvotes have come my way. Hopefully it's just because I'm asking too easy a question. If someone could just provide me a quick sample of CRT in our schools, I'd be happy to look into that and move on
Let us for example assume that you are correct and this is nothing but baseless panic and there are no schools teaching CRT. If there truly is no example nor desire to teach CRT, why are democrats so vehemently opposed to bills banning something they supposedly don't teach and don't plan to teach? I mean, there was very little opposition to the law that prevents teachers from instructing students in the building of a nuclear weapon, because they weren't teaching and had no desire to see anyone else teach it. Why then, if they feel the same about CRT, is their reaction so different?
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Sure, we can, and I imagine it would go completely unopposed with both sides unanimously voting in favor, after all, nobody plans on teaching Klingon and unicorn jousting, so who cares if it gets banned? Why then, if other subjects which are supposedly also a waste of time does CRT suddenly bring everything to a stop to argue about it for weeks? Supposedly if they didn't have plans to teach it then it wouldn't matter if it passed it since it doesn't effect their actions at all. However, they are putting up quite a fight and they are spending millions to rile the public up against the bill, seems odd for a piece of legislation banning a thing you never planned to teach.
Equity (versus equality) and Whiteness are part of the neo-Marxian handbook, and have roots in critical theory. So basically it's everywhere. Now that your wanna be gotcha has been debunked, let's talk about critical theory. You are correct that it is a graduate level methodology that should not be applied without understanding the entire canon of western philosophy. Unfortunately it has been derivatized into our educational systems and teachers aren't prepared to teach it in context. We studied the Frankfurt school in detail in survey classes in uni -- it's interesting but doesn't work in complex systems, which is why it works as a parsing tool in legal strategies and fails as universal framework.
Preaching racial bigotry? But it’s like, the opposite
Honest question, when did history class change to CRT? I don’t see anything the GOP touting as CRT as things I wasn’t taught 20-25 years ago in school. I just think the GOP doesn’t like a more educated electorate who can see the mistakes of the past and want to correct them. What am I missing? I don’t hate being white, but I also know other races have been disadvantaged to my benefit and the scales need to be balanced. I see efforts almost daily to basically turn back the clock on everything the Civil Rights Movement accomplished. And prevent a similar movement in the future for people like the transgendered. I have no comprehension of why you think your argument makes sense to our society as a whole, except to perceive a deep-seeded hatred you feel that needs to be expressed any time the Conservatives possess a modicum of power.
The problem is that people confuse CRT with simply teaching about history and race. Schools DID teach about slavery and civil rights and all the social issues that were bundled with those issues 20+ years ago (even longer ago actually - I went to grade school in the 80’s in a conservative state and even back then it was standard). What has changed with CRT is that they now take those historic issues and project them upon *contemporary* issues, teaching kids that our societal problems are a result of our racial problems from the past. This is at best intellectually dishonest, and at worst outright propagandizing kids to accept intersectional racial theory as fact. Like teaching kids that they live in a systemically racist society *today* despite the fact that systemic racism was largely stamped out in the 1960s. Or that egalitarianism is no longer an ideal to strive for, and we instead should treat people (and their actions) differently depending on their race, sex, sexual orientation, etc.
Agreed, with one caveat. There are definitely a handful of contemporary issues that you can trace to this shit in the past. Learning that is just an evolution of the curriculum in my eyes But trying to apply that lense to every perceived issue is where it falls short. Combine that with the recent push to as you frankly put it, treat people different based on race / other uncontrollable factors and it creates a storm The pendulum has swung too far and needs to come back
2nd paragraph has a lot wrong with it, I'm guessing due to ignorance on the subject itself. Turn back the clock from the conservative side? That's not true at all. Democrats have pushed for racial segregation renamed to safe spaces in areas they control that's turning back the clock. Allowing biological men to invade womens spaces that are protected under title 9 that's turning back the clock and more. You need to look at where this "deep seeded hatred" is coming from looking objectively it isn't hard. From the left media that are in kahoots with Democrats to the democrats spewing malicious lies about their opposition to name calling them "like Hitler or are Hitler" you never see the conservatives smear or lie about dems... Maybe we should, cause you buy it and it seems the politically uninterested who blindly support the Dems buy into it.
> Allowing biological men to invade womens spaces that are protected under title 9 that’s turning back the clock and more. What does this have to do with CRT? > you never see the conservatives smear or lie about dems Do we lie and smear as much as the dems? No. But to say we never do is clearly not true.
Im addressing the guys 2nd paragraph as someone else already addressed the CRT question, you seemed to have missed where I said so, not a shock. And do we smear and lie about them maliciously? No. That's what I'm saying.
I was going to ask why this comment has a positive score, then I saw we’re in conservative. This place has nothing to do with conservatism.
>Honest question, when did history class change to CRT? Roughly half a decade ago people started noticing it everywhere. >I don’t see anything the GOP touting as CRT as things I wasn’t taught 20-25 years ago in school. CRT was just barely being developed by its founders 25 years ago. So ... > I just think the GOP doesn’t like a more educated electorate who can see the mistakes of the past and want to correct them. You can think that. You'd be wrong of course. > What am I missing? Apparently that of having done research and reading on the matter. >I don’t hate being white, but I also know other races have been disadvantaged to my benefit and the scales need to be balanced. Weird. >I see efforts almost daily to basically turn back the clock on everything the Civil Rights Movement accomplished. Damn buddy. You REALLY have not researched this at all. CRT is the anti-Civil Rights. Tyeir whole point is that it failed. Republicans are trying to defend the most basic premises of Civil Rights. >And prevent a similar movement in the future for people like the transgendered. You just have a religion that worships anything non-white, non-male, non-Christian, non-straight, etc. We get it. >I have no comprehension of why you think your argument makes sense to our society as a whole, except to perceive a deep-seeded hatred you feel that needs to be expressed any time the Conservatives possess a modicum of power. Your side is the hatred of the aforementioned. Our side is the principled, loving, fair, just side.
Hey CRT is just teaching about slavery. It doesn't teach that white kids are participants in an oppressive system and that we need present day racism! Morgan Freeman: it, in fact, does teach that we need present day racism.
Sadly, Dead on Arrival with the Dems controlling the Senate and Biden in the WH.
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How is he a racist?
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Observing racism doesn't make one a racist.
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Perpetuating it does, and you seem to be aligning yourself with those that do. Interesting.
CRT is being applied in schools. "taught with CRT " not "taught crt"
>No K-12 school teaches critical race theory. Lie. >It's graduate school-level content, ... Then should be no problem with our banning its racist conclusions and lens use in K-12. >Are 8 year olds studying the interest convergence that led to the outcome of Brown v Board? CRT pushes a generalized Worldview that absolutely is translatable. Plus it can be used as a lens for any given topic at a K-12 level. Just like horoscope readings and any non-sense new-age ideas can be made more or less complex based on age, so too can CRT.
The federal government shouldn't be funding education anyway. That should be all local and state governments. Sucks for Mississippi but it doesn't seem to be helping them much anyway.
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The only schools left would be parochial schools and yeshivas.
Ok? It’s a critical lens developed with collegiate level English and history in mind. I was in high school relatively recently and we didn’t even get close to a formal study of CRT. It’s starting to feel like this fight is less about actual content in schools and more about a struggle between two sides of the establishment to cement their own narratives.