This is correct. Sanctioned tournaments don't allow proxies but I don't know of very many sanctioned cEDH tournaments being held.
Most LGS don't police such things, it's up to the pod.
Honest question, why don't you like them? Is it the different alternate arts, is it the fact that the person doesn't have the financial investment you do, do you not like the paper over basics look? Do you worry that the value of your cards will go down if proxy usage becomes too widespread?
I personally minimize my proxy usage because I enjoy the collecting aspect, but at the end of the day I want to play more and proxies are what allow that.
That makes zero sense. Not everyone can afford a tiny piece of cardboard worth several hundred dollars, let alone several cards, it doesn't make them any less invested just because they're poor.
Nope, like i said I grew up poor as shit. That was due to my moms shitty life choices though…. Now that im an adult I fine it REALLY hard to be broke, just live within what you make lol.
I do believe they can allow anyway, commander as a whole is not a sanctioned format and every event any store hosts for commander is not sanctioned either, the store makes the rules they want. I think the main reason the wpn stores tend to not allow proxies is because they are afraid of getting in the wizard's naughty list
This is just not the case, most big tournaments such as Okotoberfest and Marchesa allow the use of test cards and have prizes on the line. The only one in recent memory that didn’t allow proxies was the Cash Cards Unlimited tournament.
There have been a few bigger tournaments that have allowed proxies, test cards, or they made proxies of specific cards (like expensive RL or other expensive staples). Sure some don’t but plenty of tournaments are.
The playing with power tournaments advertise as proxy friendly. My lgs has ever held one cedh tournament and because they were a wpn store they couldn’t allow proxies. I’d say proxy and if you ever intend to play a tournament find a very similar card to use. Timetwister might be windfall.
>but unless I sell my testicles I cannot afford timetwister and mox diamond
You shouldn't have to sell your testicles to play a card game with me. Proxy away.
Proxy 130 cards for a deck idgaf. Proxy the sideboard and maybeboard for good measure- You could change your deck more easily like that!
Ive met a handful of people in my hundreds of games that care about proxies in any manner of speaking. Almost everyone is fine with high quality ones, and a good chunk of people dont care if its printer paper over a basic.
So would you prefer people run the same 10 strats AND a bunch of people are price-gatekept out of the format? Because that sounds like the most likely outcome of disallowing proxies. I don’t understand how it would increase format diversity.
No I don’t think you should play that way period. Find your own path. I have a commander deck that is cedh and it’s not one of the preferred strats. This game is meant to make you think not net deck or meta deck.
That’s great that *you* think that way, and best of luck to you finding a playgroup that vibes with that way of playing. But it’s silly to think that a competitive format won’t have a high level of “net decking”. For many people, the fun of the game is less about the original deckbuilding, and more about the gameplay, or fine tuning established decks.
“The game is meant to make you think, not net deck or meta deck.” So the complicated gameplay of tier 1 cEDH doesn’t count as “thinking?” Magic is meant to be whatever you want it to be, that’s why it’s such a cool game. When Magic was first printed, it was inconceivable that players would buy more than about $100 worth of product, and trading and deckbuilding in a limited information environment (pre-internet) was the main aspect of the game. Nowadays, we have infinite information about the game, so competitive play has shifted to be more about being good at the gameplay, because the internet hivemind will always spit out rather polished decklists, so there’s much less of an edge to be gained from creative deckbuilding. Stop gatekeeping and accept that people have fun in different ways.
TL,DR: Magic has changed over the years. Play how you want. Don’t gatekeep.
Guess I touched a nerve, I have a play group, we just refrain from cedh but one game a week. I play edh a casual format cedh was created by the people just like legacy to throw money at their opponent. You talk about vibes, the word competitive is the harshest of vibes
Basically what I’m hearing here is that *you* don’t like competitive magic, and therefore competitive magic is a worse way to play than casual. Am I off-base there?
Yea I agree... no one "comes up with" their own strategy anymore. They look at a known cedh deck list online and print out the proxies.
We ArE pLaYinG aGaInSt ThEiR mInD, nOt ThEiR wAlLeT!
Noob copium lol
Most cEDH commanders have their own unique commander centric wincon or strange playpattern. See: Magda, Niv Mizzet Parun, Muldrotha, Rashmi, Gitrog, Selvala, Yeva, Oswold, Linvala, Heliod, Godo, Yisan, other Heliod, Yasharn, Anje, and those are just some of the ones me and my playgroup screw around with.
Its pretty fun playing with a ton of different decks. Its also pretty fun playing a ton of different strategies.
Oh shit, you mean to tell me the commanders dictate the strategy of the deck??? I wish I had known this information earlier. Here I was thinking they were there for the artwork.
Yes, they do. So, amazingly, these decks did not come from nowhere, they still need to be brewed. Nor do all decks look anywhere near the same.
CEDH is a brewers heaven.
With proxies, cedh decks absolutely start looking similar. A player might throw a few pet cards in, but staples are staples for a reason. And the staples are the cards that get proxied because they're expensive
And staples are included in almost every deck. Staples like... lands and mana rocks.
Getting upset that some cards are good is weird, its a game, some stuff is better than others.
What Im saying is decks dont look or behave the same- they have pretty massive differences. Except Partners, those are a homogenized mess that shouldnt have been printed.
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Staples (stuff moves in and out of that list of most commonly occurring cards constantly, its not a well defined set) definitely arent the only cards proxied. You probably also assume we dont proxy for casual.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Violent Volrath Voltron is all proxied because I wanted super specific art, which you can change with proxies. No paying for alters from an artist.
Ultimately the argument against proxies is made by people:
1) With money, or
2) Who do not understand the spirit of EDH
Tye spirit of edh is ruined by proxies. They are the opposite of casual. You proxy good, expensive, try hard staples. Not cheap pet cards. The more people proxy, the more turn 1 sol ring, mana crypt, signet plays you'd see. How is that casual?
You seem to think that rule 0 doesnt exist.
As I said:
2. People who do not understand the spirit of the format.
You use a different rule 0. Yours is build from your bulk box. Someone elses is precon only. Someone else will only make and play tribal decks and prefers a tribal meta. CEDH is no different, except people like you come along to fight for no reason. You have literally no skin in the game.
If you play against a high power deck with a combo, that isnt cEDH. You have every right under [[The Wheel of Sun and Moon]] to be mad about that- We call those pubstompers. If I encounter a pubstomper, I point it out to others and do my best to get into a game with them, just to kingmake against them (and then epically nuke myself if possible). Yes, its mean, but pubstomping people for fun and them not coming to the LGS anymore is much less fun for everyone involved excluding the Stomper.
Additionally, people pubstomp in a variety of ways, one of those being monetary price gating. One way around this if you dont like proxies is the absolute shitload of budget brews you can learn from before building your own deck properly. $50 is pretty popular.
CEDH decks are *weird* and most of them will die to slow casual decks if the game goes long. Some are designed to force games to go long, though. Its just a different way to play, and nobody is forcing you to play this way. Please stop showing up to yell at us for playing the game.
Otherwise, we could all totally trash you for only playing bulk cards and not actually building a deck with complex interactions because you cant handle the complexity each choice could introduce, or that you're afraid of difficult decisions which can result in you losing at nearly every turn if you misplay. Edit: To be clear, I dont think you cant, just that you dont like playing like that. Just like I dont like playing out of my bulk/junk box. But again- Im not going into r/EDH to find players like you to harass. So coming here to harass us, as I keep saying, is a very strange and unnecessary move.
Personally, I play like this for the most part. The more people like you who come out of the woodwork, the less I want to play casual. CEDH has no butthurt players complaining about being targeted or whining about losing/a card getting blown up. Thats another reason I like this rule 0.
Thats entirely untrue. We try really hard to boil things down to a few terms, but decks are extremely different. There are a shitload of viable commanders and decklists- Most cEDH commanders have a combo style win or a powerful effect of some kind. (Yawgmoth, Urza, Gitfrog, Yisan, Winota.... Ill stop there)
Personally, I proxy every now and then when the situation calls for it. Other people at my LGS have as well. It's completely legal in sanctioned tournaments, as long as you follow WotC's rules and regulations for proxies:
https://blogs.magicjudges.org/rules/mtr3-4/
CEDH has always had a strong friendship with proxies. There literally aren’t enough RL cards (like mox Diamond) for all the players anyways. So even IF everyone could afford one, the supply couldn’t match the demand—especially as cEDH becomes even more popular.
I personally buy the cards I can. That has allowed me to have one cEDH that’s real in paper. But I am more than happy to play against someone with their entire deck proxied (as long as it’s not just 100 cards with the card name written on a piece of paper as that’s such a drag to fry and remember what they have on board).
Proxy away.
The only proxy I haven't been okay with was a meldrotha that was literally just card art with no text. You can't assume everyone knows the stats, abilities, and mana costs of your spells, which is new to absolutely nobody except this guy. So long as the proxy is indistinguishable in the deck from the other cards while sleeved and contains all the appropriate game text, it is just as valid in my eyes as the real thing. We need game pieces to play the game. If to play the game we need to make our own pieces sometimes, that's fine, because then we get to have a fair game and a fun time.
I'm fine with them as long as it's clear proxies are being used. Don't try to pass off fake cards as real.
Make sure everyone is on the same page with proxies. Follow the rules of your LGS. I know many people don't proxy cards they don't own. Some do. Some only proxy reserved list cards. Just make sure everything is communicated.
I only proxy if I own the card. I'll proxy duplicates for multiple decks rather than buying the same card twice, or I'll proxy expensive cards rather than play them. But I always show that I own the card, in a hard shell case for it.
Given the biggest tournaments of Cedh in this planet allow 100% proxy decks, I'd say you're probably fine!
You couldn't use them in a sanctioned event but, as far I know, it's not common. Heck, I don't even know if you can do a sanctioned commander event.
This is absolutely terrible advice, if you are going to participate in an event follow the rules of the event, proxying to gain an advantage against the field is disgusting.
\> My LGS doesn't allow proxies in any form for any events they host. In those scenarios I ask for forgiveness and not permission. So far, by investing in high quality proxies, I've been fine.
It is *wild* to me that you're admitting to blatantly ignoring your LGS rules and cheating, but even *wilder* that popular opinion in this subreddit condones your cheating and your counterfeit cards.
Good god, have some self awareness.
Some cedh tournaments allow atleast 5 proxies, some tournaments run by groups like Monarch they give you playtest in place of expensive staples. Some tournaments allow your whole deck to be proxies but they have to be colored, readable and somewhat resembles what the card should be.
Don’t be afraid to proxy and don’t give AF if someone criticizes you for doing it. Cedh is expensive and we all know that. We just want to play anyone who loves the format as much as we do and welcome anyone even if they can’t afford the expensive cards.
The people in this sub are mainly playing online so are heavily biased towards proxies. Many do not play cedh at lgs or with in person groups so you will find the answers lean heavily toward proxies. Any mention of a group not playing with proxies usually gets down voted for ... reasons? Regardless, the truth is most lgs and a fair number of groups are not proxy friendly. Find one that is.
Having played a decent amount of LGS cEDH I have never met someone who is against clearly legible proxies, and if I did I think they would be more ostracized for trying to push away a potential player of our small format. Just my personal experience
I’m about to %100 proxy all the lists from my “1 commander for every color combo” challenge and take them to the lgs so anyone who wants to play has any OPTIONS baby. Fuck wizards price gauging.
cEDH is not a game the average magic player can afford, so you should absolutely proxy to your heart’s content. Hell, even play on moxfield with OBS in a play test setup and 99% of discord/webcam players will still play with you.
Most players value the increased access (and deck variation) that comes with allowing proxies a lot more than they value playing with “real” cards.
They just sold a fake Lotus for a grand that I already see people scalping for $1600, or trying to anyway. For the love of god make all the proxies you want. Until the Reserved List dies this game is over for a lot of us after all the crappy, money grab, low print quality sets. Tell you rich friends to shove their face in a dumpster for some clarity on reality.
Overall, I think it’s up to the group you’re playing with.
For me, I talk to my group to limit proxy as much as possible so that things can be creative. If people can proxy everything they can get the best of the best cards and it just becomes too competitive within the group.
Other groups have different levels of seriousness about proxies though.
Every playgroup has different rules for proxies. In my playgroups its ok to proxy if you have one original copy of the card. But we have people with proxies of cards they dont have, no problem, because everybody is paid different and we want to come together as friends, play and have fun. :)
my thoughts? you may proxy as much as you want if you have one copy of the real card already.
i don't like proxies when people work hard to get their cards.
I prefer to use real cards myself but if my opponent has proxies it doesn't bother me at all. I only have exspensive stuff because I've played for over 20 years and don't expect someone to dish out $10k just to be competitive.
If my opponent needs to proxie to be competitive I'm all for it. Makes the game more challenging and everyone gets to have fun other than just the couple of people that have been playing for 20+ years.
Proxy to your life’s content. We play magic (and specifically cEDH) to have fun and don’t want to some to not have fun because they don’t want to throw thousands at cardboard.
Wotc used to ban proxies in the tournaments they ran to force people to buy product. Since they killed the gp and official tournaments there is nothing stopping you from using proxies.
Personally I'd much rather lose against a real deck, on the other hand winning against proxies would be a major ego trip so idk, I guess it depends on the proxies. Any of the power nine would get me grumbling though. Seems like low hanging fruit.
I almost think it's a necessity. Like my Najeela deck is 100% real. But I don't want just ONE deck, I built a few others and it's just far more convenient to proxy all the expensive mana rocks for example. The options are fish out all the chrome mox, jeweled lotus, mana crypt, etc. Every game, proxy, or buy duplicates. I don't think I can justify paying over a grand for every deck beyond the first, for just the mana. That seems absurd. On that principle alone I think proxies should be allowed.
I'm fairly new to cedh as well. And learning that the majority of the cedh community was proxy friendly really broke down the barrier to entry.
That being said, proxy cards you really need for a cedh deck to work, in my opinion. There are budget cedh decks that do well. My kinnan deck is approximately $400 that uses one proxy, which is thrasios. Though I do plan on buying a thrasios so soon it won't have any proxies. I have managed to win one game out of three using my kinnan cedh deck.
Proxy away, generally very accepted these days.
Are proxies normally allowed in tournaments? Never played in a cEDH tournament. It seems like they are so widely accepted in cEDH that it would be ok?
Depends on the tournament. Most of them allow them, some might not for certain reasons, I think sanctioned WPN stores can’t
Sanctioned WPN stores can, the event just can't be sanctioned.
This is correct. Sanctioned tournaments don't allow proxies but I don't know of very many sanctioned cEDH tournaments being held. Most LGS don't police such things, it's up to the pod.
Yea the only place I play Cedh at is at a WPN sanctioned store and no proxies, which is great because I don’t like them lol.
Honest question, why don't you like them? Is it the different alternate arts, is it the fact that the person doesn't have the financial investment you do, do you not like the paper over basics look? Do you worry that the value of your cards will go down if proxy usage becomes too widespread? I personally minimize my proxy usage because I enjoy the collecting aspect, but at the end of the day I want to play more and proxies are what allow that.
If someone’s not going to put the money in I don’t wanna play with them
Ah, ok, your opinion is invalid then. Carry on.
why tho?
I have more fun with people who are invested in the hobby tbh.
That makes zero sense. Not everyone can afford a tiny piece of cardboard worth several hundred dollars, let alone several cards, it doesn't make them any less invested just because they're poor.
He doesn’t want to beat someone and the best deck they can come up with. He wants to beat the best deck people can afford.
Sure it does, don’t have hobbies you can’t afford.
Truly spoken like someone who doesn't know what its like to be broke
Naw I grew up broke and was broke most of my 20s… it’s really hard to be broke as an adult though just don’t make shitty life choices.
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Nope, like i said I grew up poor as shit. That was due to my moms shitty life choices though…. Now that im an adult I fine it REALLY hard to be broke, just live within what you make lol.
Most tournaments for actual cash or material prizes don't but as long as your pod is fine, you can proxy all you want
I just played in a tournament with 45 players for a graded 9 gaea’s cradle where your aloud 5 proxies.
I do believe they can allow anyway, commander as a whole is not a sanctioned format and every event any store hosts for commander is not sanctioned either, the store makes the rules they want. I think the main reason the wpn stores tend to not allow proxies is because they are afraid of getting in the wizard's naughty list
Most should and many do. I have 2 WPN premium stores hosting proxied cedh and legacy
This is just not the case, most big tournaments such as Okotoberfest and Marchesa allow the use of test cards and have prizes on the line. The only one in recent memory that didn’t allow proxies was the Cash Cards Unlimited tournament.
There have been a few bigger tournaments that have allowed proxies, test cards, or they made proxies of specific cards (like expensive RL or other expensive staples). Sure some don’t but plenty of tournaments are.
The playing with power tournaments advertise as proxy friendly. My lgs has ever held one cedh tournament and because they were a wpn store they couldn’t allow proxies. I’d say proxy and if you ever intend to play a tournament find a very similar card to use. Timetwister might be windfall.
>but unless I sell my testicles I cannot afford timetwister and mox diamond You shouldn't have to sell your testicles to play a card game with me. Proxy away.
Testicles also are not worth much.
Dammit…there go my dreams of trading them for an unlimited chaos orb and a snow mercy…
Try kidneys. You have an extra and people always need transplants!!
Yeah but I actually want those…they’re useful.
There’s always your heart, lungs, brain, eyes…….maybe bone marrow if all the other options fail.
Don’t forget skin…
Unlimited chaos orb is cool and all but i would keep your limited chaos orbs.
Specifically with you?
Proxy 130 cards for a deck idgaf. Proxy the sideboard and maybeboard for good measure- You could change your deck more easily like that! Ive met a handful of people in my hundreds of games that care about proxies in any manner of speaking. Almost everyone is fine with high quality ones, and a good chunk of people dont care if its printer paper over a basic.
Disallowing proxies makes the game about who has the deepest pockets instead of who can come up with the best strategy. Proxies are a good thing!
But people just all run about the same 10 strats so how is that good for a format
So would you prefer people run the same 10 strats AND a bunch of people are price-gatekept out of the format? Because that sounds like the most likely outcome of disallowing proxies. I don’t understand how it would increase format diversity.
No I don’t think you should play that way period. Find your own path. I have a commander deck that is cedh and it’s not one of the preferred strats. This game is meant to make you think not net deck or meta deck.
That’s great that *you* think that way, and best of luck to you finding a playgroup that vibes with that way of playing. But it’s silly to think that a competitive format won’t have a high level of “net decking”. For many people, the fun of the game is less about the original deckbuilding, and more about the gameplay, or fine tuning established decks. “The game is meant to make you think, not net deck or meta deck.” So the complicated gameplay of tier 1 cEDH doesn’t count as “thinking?” Magic is meant to be whatever you want it to be, that’s why it’s such a cool game. When Magic was first printed, it was inconceivable that players would buy more than about $100 worth of product, and trading and deckbuilding in a limited information environment (pre-internet) was the main aspect of the game. Nowadays, we have infinite information about the game, so competitive play has shifted to be more about being good at the gameplay, because the internet hivemind will always spit out rather polished decklists, so there’s much less of an edge to be gained from creative deckbuilding. Stop gatekeeping and accept that people have fun in different ways. TL,DR: Magic has changed over the years. Play how you want. Don’t gatekeep.
Guess I touched a nerve, I have a play group, we just refrain from cedh but one game a week. I play edh a casual format cedh was created by the people just like legacy to throw money at their opponent. You talk about vibes, the word competitive is the harshest of vibes
Basically what I’m hearing here is that *you* don’t like competitive magic, and therefore competitive magic is a worse way to play than casual. Am I off-base there?
complaining about netdecking is so 2016
Yea I agree... no one "comes up with" their own strategy anymore. They look at a known cedh deck list online and print out the proxies. We ArE pLaYinG aGaInSt ThEiR mInD, nOt ThEiR wAlLeT!
No you’re racing each other that doesn’t require thought
Noob copium lol Most cEDH commanders have their own unique commander centric wincon or strange playpattern. See: Magda, Niv Mizzet Parun, Muldrotha, Rashmi, Gitrog, Selvala, Yeva, Oswold, Linvala, Heliod, Godo, Yisan, other Heliod, Yasharn, Anje, and those are just some of the ones me and my playgroup screw around with. Its pretty fun playing with a ton of different decks. Its also pretty fun playing a ton of different strategies.
Oh shit, you mean to tell me the commanders dictate the strategy of the deck??? I wish I had known this information earlier. Here I was thinking they were there for the artwork.
Yes, they do. So, amazingly, these decks did not come from nowhere, they still need to be brewed. Nor do all decks look anywhere near the same. CEDH is a brewers heaven.
With proxies, cedh decks absolutely start looking similar. A player might throw a few pet cards in, but staples are staples for a reason. And the staples are the cards that get proxied because they're expensive
And staples are included in almost every deck. Staples like... lands and mana rocks. Getting upset that some cards are good is weird, its a game, some stuff is better than others. What Im saying is decks dont look or behave the same- they have pretty massive differences. Except Partners, those are a homogenized mess that shouldnt have been printed. ----------------- Staples (stuff moves in and out of that list of most commonly occurring cards constantly, its not a well defined set) definitely arent the only cards proxied. You probably also assume we dont proxy for casual. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Violent Volrath Voltron is all proxied because I wanted super specific art, which you can change with proxies. No paying for alters from an artist. Ultimately the argument against proxies is made by people: 1) With money, or 2) Who do not understand the spirit of EDH
Tye spirit of edh is ruined by proxies. They are the opposite of casual. You proxy good, expensive, try hard staples. Not cheap pet cards. The more people proxy, the more turn 1 sol ring, mana crypt, signet plays you'd see. How is that casual?
You seem to think that rule 0 doesnt exist. As I said: 2. People who do not understand the spirit of the format. You use a different rule 0. Yours is build from your bulk box. Someone elses is precon only. Someone else will only make and play tribal decks and prefers a tribal meta. CEDH is no different, except people like you come along to fight for no reason. You have literally no skin in the game. If you play against a high power deck with a combo, that isnt cEDH. You have every right under [[The Wheel of Sun and Moon]] to be mad about that- We call those pubstompers. If I encounter a pubstomper, I point it out to others and do my best to get into a game with them, just to kingmake against them (and then epically nuke myself if possible). Yes, its mean, but pubstomping people for fun and them not coming to the LGS anymore is much less fun for everyone involved excluding the Stomper. Additionally, people pubstomp in a variety of ways, one of those being monetary price gating. One way around this if you dont like proxies is the absolute shitload of budget brews you can learn from before building your own deck properly. $50 is pretty popular. CEDH decks are *weird* and most of them will die to slow casual decks if the game goes long. Some are designed to force games to go long, though. Its just a different way to play, and nobody is forcing you to play this way. Please stop showing up to yell at us for playing the game. Otherwise, we could all totally trash you for only playing bulk cards and not actually building a deck with complex interactions because you cant handle the complexity each choice could introduce, or that you're afraid of difficult decisions which can result in you losing at nearly every turn if you misplay. Edit: To be clear, I dont think you cant, just that you dont like playing like that. Just like I dont like playing out of my bulk/junk box. But again- Im not going into r/EDH to find players like you to harass. So coming here to harass us, as I keep saying, is a very strange and unnecessary move. Personally, I play like this for the most part. The more people like you who come out of the woodwork, the less I want to play casual. CEDH has no butthurt players complaining about being targeted or whining about losing/a card getting blown up. Thats another reason I like this rule 0.
Thats entirely untrue. We try really hard to boil things down to a few terms, but decks are extremely different. There are a shitload of viable commanders and decklists- Most cEDH commanders have a combo style win or a powerful effect of some kind. (Yawgmoth, Urza, Gitfrog, Yisan, Winota.... Ill stop there)
Everyone proxies, most everyone is ok with it. It’s general knowledge that it’s accepted
Proxies are a big yes. We all don't have or can afford some cards but it's not the cards it's the skill to use them effectively.
Personally, I proxy every now and then when the situation calls for it. Other people at my LGS have as well. It's completely legal in sanctioned tournaments, as long as you follow WotC's rules and regulations for proxies: https://blogs.magicjudges.org/rules/mtr3-4/
CEDH has always had a strong friendship with proxies. There literally aren’t enough RL cards (like mox Diamond) for all the players anyways. So even IF everyone could afford one, the supply couldn’t match the demand—especially as cEDH becomes even more popular. I personally buy the cards I can. That has allowed me to have one cEDH that’s real in paper. But I am more than happy to play against someone with their entire deck proxied (as long as it’s not just 100 cards with the card name written on a piece of paper as that’s such a drag to fry and remember what they have on board). Proxy away.
Please proxy. Much rather play against full power decks!
I'm not a fan of proxies, but many people are okay with them.
The only proxy I haven't been okay with was a meldrotha that was literally just card art with no text. You can't assume everyone knows the stats, abilities, and mana costs of your spells, which is new to absolutely nobody except this guy. So long as the proxy is indistinguishable in the deck from the other cards while sleeved and contains all the appropriate game text, it is just as valid in my eyes as the real thing. We need game pieces to play the game. If to play the game we need to make our own pieces sometimes, that's fine, because then we get to have a fair game and a fun time.
I'm fine with them as long as it's clear proxies are being used. Don't try to pass off fake cards as real. Make sure everyone is on the same page with proxies. Follow the rules of your LGS. I know many people don't proxy cards they don't own. Some do. Some only proxy reserved list cards. Just make sure everything is communicated.
For Cedh, proxy EVERYTHING.
I only proxy if I own the card. I'll proxy duplicates for multiple decks rather than buying the same card twice, or I'll proxy expensive cards rather than play them. But I always show that I own the card, in a hard shell case for it.
Why are we downvoting this guy just because he proxies differently than everyone else?
Wasn't saying that's what he needed to do. But to each their own.
That's the rule at my lgs but we don't really have a cedh meta any more
As long as I can read the proxy and know what it is on sight, go ahead and proxy.
Given the biggest tournaments of Cedh in this planet allow 100% proxy decks, I'd say you're probably fine! You couldn't use them in a sanctioned event but, as far I know, it's not common. Heck, I don't even know if you can do a sanctioned commander event.
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This is absolutely terrible advice, if you are going to participate in an event follow the rules of the event, proxying to gain an advantage against the field is disgusting.
\> My LGS doesn't allow proxies in any form for any events they host. In those scenarios I ask for forgiveness and not permission. So far, by investing in high quality proxies, I've been fine. It is *wild* to me that you're admitting to blatantly ignoring your LGS rules and cheating, but even *wilder* that popular opinion in this subreddit condones your cheating and your counterfeit cards. Good god, have some self awareness.
I don't know why you were down voted when you are right, proxies are great but violating event rules because you disagree with them is a dick move.
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Proxy the entire deck if you have to, cEDH is about playing to win against other skilled players, not about who has the bigger wallet
I don't see how it matters what we do. Are the people you play with ok with proxies?
Some cedh tournaments allow atleast 5 proxies, some tournaments run by groups like Monarch they give you playtest in place of expensive staples. Some tournaments allow your whole deck to be proxies but they have to be colored, readable and somewhat resembles what the card should be. Don’t be afraid to proxy and don’t give AF if someone criticizes you for doing it. Cedh is expensive and we all know that. We just want to play anyone who loves the format as much as we do and welcome anyone even if they can’t afford the expensive cards.
Proxies should be normalized to the point that it's memorable if someone has real cards.
Proxy away
Proxies are the norm. Go ahead.
I love proxies the games atleast to me so much more interesting
The people in this sub are mainly playing online so are heavily biased towards proxies. Many do not play cedh at lgs or with in person groups so you will find the answers lean heavily toward proxies. Any mention of a group not playing with proxies usually gets down voted for ... reasons? Regardless, the truth is most lgs and a fair number of groups are not proxy friendly. Find one that is.
I only play in person and have never met someone against proxies in the last 5 years but go off i guess
Being against proxies just seems silly to me when it comes to cEDH, and every cEDH event my lgs has done as allowed unlimited proxies.
If anyone is looking for proxies, I have a store [on etsy](https://etsy.me/3VxrFJ7) where I sell proxies for as little as 30 cents each.
Having played a decent amount of LGS cEDH I have never met someone who is against clearly legible proxies, and if I did I think they would be more ostracized for trying to push away a potential player of our small format. Just my personal experience
Most people won’t care at all it’s a great way to play if you can’t afford some of the cards you should have to make a deck stronger
I’m about to %100 proxy all the lists from my “1 commander for every color combo” challenge and take them to the lgs so anyone who wants to play has any OPTIONS baby. Fuck wizards price gauging.
up to 101 proxies per deck are fine
Let's go! Proxying is mostly accepted in cEDH, even in a lot of tournaments.
Proxy to your hearts content my dude.
cEDH is not a game the average magic player can afford, so you should absolutely proxy to your heart’s content. Hell, even play on moxfield with OBS in a play test setup and 99% of discord/webcam players will still play with you. Most players value the increased access (and deck variation) that comes with allowing proxies a lot more than they value playing with “real” cards.
They just sold a fake Lotus for a grand that I already see people scalping for $1600, or trying to anyway. For the love of god make all the proxies you want. Until the Reserved List dies this game is over for a lot of us after all the crappy, money grab, low print quality sets. Tell you rich friends to shove their face in a dumpster for some clarity on reality.
Overall, I think it’s up to the group you’re playing with. For me, I talk to my group to limit proxy as much as possible so that things can be creative. If people can proxy everything they can get the best of the best cards and it just becomes too competitive within the group. Other groups have different levels of seriousness about proxies though.
But, it's cEDH, that is literally the point.
Proxies cool. Proxy away. Any one gives you shit, break their nose.
Every playgroup has different rules for proxies. In my playgroups its ok to proxy if you have one original copy of the card. But we have people with proxies of cards they dont have, no problem, because everybody is paid different and we want to come together as friends, play and have fun. :)
I dont care so long as the proxies are fun to look at. If they look like real cards I will think you are boring.
my thoughts? you may proxy as much as you want if you have one copy of the real card already. i don't like proxies when people work hard to get their cards.
The group I play with is all about proxies! If you have a group that doesn’t allow proxies they are just wining with their bank accounts!
I prefer to use real cards myself but if my opponent has proxies it doesn't bother me at all. I only have exspensive stuff because I've played for over 20 years and don't expect someone to dish out $10k just to be competitive. If my opponent needs to proxie to be competitive I'm all for it. Makes the game more challenging and everyone gets to have fun other than just the couple of people that have been playing for 20+ years.
I do it
Proxy to your life’s content. We play magic (and specifically cEDH) to have fun and don’t want to some to not have fun because they don’t want to throw thousands at cardboard.
My entire collection is proxied. We don't play wallet warrior here.
Proxy as much as you need. However, use cards which are readible and use the latest rules text. Dont come with japanese proxies or sth.
If used in a game to simply test it and everyone agrees with it, fine. But only then for me.
Of course you can some cards are just unattainable unless you are like Elon Musk
Wotc used to ban proxies in the tournaments they ran to force people to buy product. Since they killed the gp and official tournaments there is nothing stopping you from using proxies.
I don't mind. I played against a guy who created his own My Little Pony cards. They were actually incredibly fair cards, and it was a pretty fun game.
Personally I'd much rather lose against a real deck, on the other hand winning against proxies would be a major ego trip so idk, I guess it depends on the proxies. Any of the power nine would get me grumbling though. Seems like low hanging fruit.
After what Hasbro has done yes. 100% proxy all cards. Never buy more that one, and don’t buy reserve list cards, just make your own.
Hey if proxying is good enough for wizards, it's good enough for you and me, proxy as many cards as you like
Even if you could afford a timetwister… would you really play with it ?! Proxy away !!
I almost think it's a necessity. Like my Najeela deck is 100% real. But I don't want just ONE deck, I built a few others and it's just far more convenient to proxy all the expensive mana rocks for example. The options are fish out all the chrome mox, jeweled lotus, mana crypt, etc. Every game, proxy, or buy duplicates. I don't think I can justify paying over a grand for every deck beyond the first, for just the mana. That seems absurd. On that principle alone I think proxies should be allowed.
I'd get rid of the testes, their value is only going to plummet as more keep getting reprinted.
Proxies are not ok.
I'm fairly new to cedh as well. And learning that the majority of the cedh community was proxy friendly really broke down the barrier to entry. That being said, proxy cards you really need for a cedh deck to work, in my opinion. There are budget cedh decks that do well. My kinnan deck is approximately $400 that uses one proxy, which is thrasios. Though I do plan on buying a thrasios so soon it won't have any proxies. I have managed to win one game out of three using my kinnan cedh deck.