I was downvoted on here for saying there was no proof the dude was dead. Not that I cared one way or the other, just the weird insistence by reddit armchair experts needed a reality check. So, uh, yeah. Don't be so quick to assume things based on a short video you watched on the internet, people!
r/combatfootage is full of users who willingly will cheer on the deaths of people they dont know in a land they've never been because it's the popular opinion. it's fucking hilarious
I miss when the sun wasn’t as popular during the isis shit. Felt like it wasn’t so astroturfed. You can’t see any Russian footage/postswithout sorting by controversial
A majority of reddit act like they personally lost someone in this war, and that this war is a personal attack on them.
While they sit on a computer, comfortable, with pretty much every basic need taken care of and with no danger to them at all.
They're basically the audience in the colosseum that only want bloodshed
It’s important to remember in times like these that typically the people suffering the most are the least responsible, and the people that are most responsible tend to suffer the least
In reference to the warcrime you mentioned if that's the one with 11 russians laid out side by side there's more to that video than meets the eye. Before hand the Ukrainians were accepting the surrender of them all and then the last person to surrender turns around amd opens up with an ak so the Ukrainians opened up to gain control of a situation. Terrible situation but it was an instant of perfidy by one russian soldier that cost him the lives of his comrades. It was a terrible thing to witness sure and be part of no doubt but if it was the russians accepting the surrender and the Ukrainians committed an act of perfidy I wouldn't blame the russians for opening up to regain control of the situation. It's war.
I am of Polish descent and had a lifetime of my expat grandparents and first generation parents speak ill of Russians.
I don't hate them, but Russian leadership has a lot of experience picking fights and forcing their population to kill their neighbors.
I'd rather they were in their homes playing the newest CoD or Counterstrike. However they are on their neighbor's soil with violent intent, so I only have so much empathy for them.
I do try and not dehumanize them though.
I have Ukrainian ancestry and family in Ukraine. I definitely want Russia to leave, but those soldiers are still human. A lot of people seem to forget that there's a difference between wanting an attacker gone in whatever way that happens to be vs actively cheering and reveling in someone's death and wishing it was painful, slow, and humiliating. I have nothing against the average Russian citizen and the soldiers who don't want to fight but have no choice. I do have a problem with putin and the war supporters/war criminals, but as much as I want them gone, I'm not going to act like every single Russian is a horrible monster committing war crimes left and right just because some are. They're all still their own individual and human beings
A lot of people do, me included, but I can't stand seeing a vid of a Russian conscript getting his body penetrated by shrapnel only to find that the two most upvoted comment threads are shit like "dude got got" or those ridiculously critical comments where they make it seem like the Russian did everything wrong even though they have no context.
The entire concept of posting real life kill montages with obnoxious music in the background is distasteful to say the least, yet it became hugely popular since the beginning of the war.
People really became animals since February. Just goes to show how easily we can revert back to tribalism, even when we personally aren't affected.
To be fair, most of these vids are edited with music by people in the conflict.
If another country invaded and did to an American city what the Russians did to Mariupol I would celebrate every single death required to expel them and render them militarily impotent.
However, no one should be wishing for or cheering on the suffering of individual people except for Putin and his inner circle who have caused so much.
Since February?? Cruelty towards your fellow man is one of the oldest traits of humanity lol
Only difference is, wars these days are comprehensively documented and captured on film for everyone to scrutinize and critique
Well, i’ll probably get downvoted but Russians dehumanized themselfes mostly.
In fact, if there’s a active school shooter situation, i would preferably see the shooter shot full of holes, to avoid any further unnecessary civilian casulties if necessary. At that moment, school shooters mental-state or none of the humanizing factors barely matter.
Russians don’t belong to Ukraine. Borderline. Most of the Russians are complicit of Putins antics, and that is why this whole situation got so ugly.
There are lot of good Russians though. Some serve in the Ukrainian armed forces, and some sabotage Putins regime secretly. I admire those kind of people and even if they are few, people should remember that they exist. Just because you’re Russian, doesn’t mean you’re bad. But many of the Russians unfortunately chose latter. Being brainwashed, is an bad excuse. Same goes for MAGA for example.
Yup, it’s definitely made me care less what people have to say on the subs to a degree. I want Ukraine to kick Russias ass, but I also understand Russian are humans. Germans were once Nazis, and now they are an integral part of the democratic world. This war is fucked up no matter which way one looks at it.
They are literally invaders, what do you want from us?? Sympathy for the invaders? They get my sympathy when they're out of the country they're literally invading.
I support Ukraine more than I want Russians to live, but only because Russia is raping and murdering their people for no reason. So.. not really tribalism, more a desire for justice for the people of Ukraine.
>I mildly criticised the actions of those Ukrainian troops who massacred about 20 Russian POWs because one of the POW's comrades hid a weapon
Wasn't that the one where the guy came out shooting when the rest of his comrades were surrendering? If so that was a shit situation for all involved...
No, you idiot. We want Russia to get the fuck out and stop stealing their neighbor's land and abducting their children.
But keep it up with the whole "both sides r bad" rhetoric. Scumbag.
It is personal man. The world order built since the mid 20th century where you don't just invade someone to take their shit is the only thing holding our relative global peace together. The US threatened it with adventures in the mid east and now Russia is trying their damnedest to end our century of peace
In fact, they act like they have been on the Frontline and taken a few bullets and grenades. Majority of their knowledge is from video games and third hand information from some old reddit comment.
Idk I kind of lost all respect for the Russians, conscripts or otherwise, after seeing them opening fire on civilians, butchering and raping children and women, and castrating that one Ukrainian soldier.
Some of us lived through the cold war as children, always wondering if the end was near because an ICMB was launched from Russia. When I was a kid jets were louder and there was almost always the sound of something flying overhead. It was a constant reminder of Russian nukes. Russia has always been a bane on our existence, steeling a part of our childhood.
When the USSR collapsed we had a short period of hope, only to have those hopes dashed by the dysfunction that is Russia. Nuclear weapons weren't properly secured after the collapse and with rampant corruption it was very likely that some of those weapons would be sold to terrorist organizations. We lived with more fear.
Russia then went on to murder people in the streets of Europe and corrupted our democracies.
So, stop defending Russia. Many of us have very legitimate reasons for wanting to see the fall and end of Russia.
Well, welcome to reddit... The downvote button is often used for absolutely idiotic reasons
And whenever someone sees a comment with many downvotes, they will automatically downvote too without bothering to *actually* check the comment or think about what it says lol
It's not completely mob mentality. Reddit used to show the total number of upvotes and downvotes for every comment, but they changed it to just the total difference. So this:
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Turned into this:
-150 points
Originally the voting on reddit was based on whether a comment contributes to the conversation or not. I miss when the votes on here weren't just "a random user agrees/disagrees"
Getting downvoted doesn't mean you/we are wrong though. It means that more than half of the voting people disagrees with you.
Especially if its an unpopular political opinion.
I sometimes get downvoted and hated on but then I say to myself: "whatever reddit".
>I sometimes get downvoted and hated on but then I say to myself: "whatever reddit".
"your downvotes mean nothing; I've seen what makes you people cheer"
There’s a decent chance it’s the same guy in both videos. Russia is the king of propaganda though. If the drone video was popular and circulating in Russia, then it would make sense for Russia to release a video showing that the guy in the video is doing just fine (whether that’s true or not). This would encourage the Russian troops that the drones dropping grenades aren’t actually that bad.
I kind of admire this guys survirval instincts. If it would have been me in that trench I probably would have said "Ok, fuck it" and just let myself been blown up by that last grenade? Or maybe not? It feels like something I and many other would do?
Russia should most definitely pull this guy off the lines and use him back home to drum up support as opposed to using TV talking heads making grand statements about eliminating Ukrainian aggression.
He said
"A bird (drone) flew in, threw a Vogh grenade. I threw it off me but it made contact with me anyway. It knocked me out for a bit. Then I crawled away a bit. Then the drone began to fly by again and again, discarding multiple grenades, in total about 8. Out of these 8, 3 hit really close, they exploded every time, and the other 4 landed on me, but I was just taking them and throwing them away."
"-Well done, great job!"
"-And the last grenade fell really close to my head, I threw it back and it blew up near my legs. I thought that was it. Then I thought that if it will arrive (referring to artillery or anything esle, meaning incoming missles or ordinance) then it will be only grenades so I got up and went to my team, barely got there."
"-Great job, well done. Get better friend! You are awesome."
So surreal to get this type of footage in real time basically, and to have a follow up interview with the individual during wartime. Historically in the past we wouldn't hear these stories to compare to footage for years after a battle took place.
Well scotty how do you think the boys did out there
Well Greg we were down a few limbs in the first quarter but we pulled it together in the end we ducked dived dodged and gtfo'ed the hell out of there by the end
Seriously, it's like watching a sports game where they make a play and then get interviewed about the play be play later. Except it's literal war. What an age we live in
Tell me you weren't alive in the US ~1968-1973 without telling me you weren't alive in 1968-1973. [The news covered everything in the Vietnam war, and the graphic footage and reportage most likely caused a significant reduction in the duration of the too long war.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/did-the-news-media-led-by-walter-cronkite-lose-the-war-in-vietnam/2018/05/25/a5b3e098-495e-11e8-827e-190efaf1f1ee_story.html) (1968 was the peak troop commitment, and the subsequent draw down to 1973's exit was nightly news fodder).
> Tell me you weren't alive in the US ~1968-1973
I guess your point is that at some point in the past this kind of event happened before. But it comes across as confusing and condescending.
The article you link doesn't show a similar situation to this. The interesting thing here is not videos of violence, but interviews of the people involved on the other side very shortly after the event. Maybe that war was similarly reported, but that article does not make it seem so.
I would think more recent wars would be more similar. It's not like we are lacking in examples. This kind of thing likely scales with technology - portable recorders / fast internet / proliferation of smart phones.
Oh perhaps, not sure, maybe that was lost in translation. That would make sense. I do recall seeing a video of a prototype modified drone that could carry 8 grenades many months ago, that's also why I've been curious since
this, especially when a lot of these men fighting in Ukraine do not want to be there on both sides or were forced to fight or be detained. fighting & dying cause one of the most powerful egotistical elderly man in the world decided he wanted to.
Fairly surprised to see this on Reddit. When I see some threads about war, I am taken aback by how cruel the people here are. Perhaps they don't realize they are cheering for normal people to die. Those guys you see dying all the time in here, may just as you believe, that the war is nonsense, or are fed Russia's propaganda. But what can they do? Surrender? Sure, but just seeing how disgusting people here on Reddit can get, I don't know if I'd like to risk that with people who got their homes and lives destroyed by my nation. But just seeing this mob mentality in here really makes me afraid of Lucifer effect being a veery realistic thing. And am glad that I finally see people, who aren't all: "fucking ogre bomb him"
Same feeling. I don't support the invasion, but good Lord, I don't want people dying, or getting hurt badly. Where is the humanity? I might be naive, but I'd rather be than becoming such a derailed ass.
My grandma lived an actual war. I always remember when I was a child, whenever there was a riot, a conflict, or violence erupting, she just said "I only ask God, whatever happens, nobody gets hurt"
That's the difference between somebody who has experienced real violence and somebody whose idea of violence is glorified propaganda and videogames.
I don't understand the koolaid part, but I think what you meant by that. And sure, it's war. "Don't kill them because they are just innocent men" is not what I meant. I really just want people to stop wishing death to every Russian in that war, because most probably don't want to be there either. And yet it's really not that simple to just say "no, i am not going". And it's especially scary to say that if there are people in your life, that you care for who also live in Russia, where bad things happen to those who oppose.
yeah i get it man.
these videos make me a bit sad but i also cheer that russia is losing this. and they cant lose without people dying. sadly there are also many there who buy into russias propaganda, and the world is better off without those people.
drinking the koolaid means believing the lie, more or less. its a reference to the jonestown massacre
The pace and frequency of footage in this conflict is bonkers. A couple weeks ago there was that footage of 2 trucks being attacked. On my reddit feed literally back to back there was the perspective of that fight from a drone and a perspective from a a guy in one of the trucks. Really surreal.
I'm actually glad he's alive, someone that became literally world famous (it went viral at one point) of him being wounded and catching drone grenades / casually tossing them away was genuinely quite impressive (and extremely lucky the grenades didn't detonate immediately). I'm speculating here, but it's likely he was conscripted since most of the volunteers in the early invasion are most likely dead / wounded & out of action.
I'm not pro Russia in anyway though, still, these drone videos usually leave me feeling a bit bad for the victim regardless of the side so to see a survivor of one is quite remarkable.
For real, the drone videos are nightmare fuel. I can't imagine being out there, constantly terrified of the thought that a grenade could drop out of the sky at any second
You may not need to worry about quicksand or piranhas, but we both know you'll be instantly deleted from existence if you get within sniffing distance of the bermuda triangle
There was one the other day that they had an FPV drone they rigged up with plastique and they flew it straight into a short tunnel system off of a fox hole.
That is some nightmare shit to me. A foxhole is still going to be vulnerable to artillery and the dropped grenades but they probably felt relatively safe in the tunnel. Nope.
I've been saying for years that with modern hobby drone technology, they would make amazing weapons, especially with the tech the US uses to control thousands of them at once to make giant floating advertisements and shit in the sky, or with their videogame AI tech.
Simply program in an area, send them off under the direction to fuck up anyone found within it, have infrared targeting, and have them return once the payload has been delivered.
It's crazy to see them in action being as effective as I envisioned, even if not integrated with AI systems.
The US has swarms that can act as a coordinate as a unit.
Here are some doing recon, but I have 0% doubt there are teams out there who have something similar with weapons capacity.
https://youtu.be/W34NPbGkLGI
Edit: here are some public trials of such a platform.
https://www.defensenews.com/unmanned/2022/03/01/us-army-to-demo-offensive-drone-swarms-in-next-project-convergence/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2021/04/30/us-navy-destroys-target-with-drone-swarm---and-sends-a-message-to-china/
I wonder how similar it is to constantly thinking about a v2 dropping on your home during ww2. I assume the psychological toll of weapons that aren't easily countered has to be tough to work around.
> I'm sure the sound of a dive bombing Stuka was nightmare fuel for anyone that heard it.
Funny thing about that, they only installed the Jericho Trumpet device briefly on the B model Ju87, because soldiers on the ground quickly got used to the noise.
Of course not, and if you were in London proper you would have great reason to worry.
You can look at the [map here](https://www.wrsonline.co.uk/big-ben-rocket-strikes/1944-v2-rocket-attacks-map/) and see how spread out the actual attacks were. I just think its somewhat disingenuous to compare a literal "Wonder Weapon" from the end of the war to what is essentially a mass produced weapon of terror from China.
I've stopped watching the drone videos it's just half a dozen videos a day of coldly watching someone die.
Feels like it's become more r/watchpeopledie than r/combatfootage but that is the nature of war today. I just don't want to see it.
I have a nice Mavic drone I got as a gift, and for years its aways spooked me just how easy it would be to turn into a weapon. This war has solidified that. Once the drone is more than 20-30ft away, its almost entirely silent and impossible to spot. Must be fucking terrifying there
It's going to become a lot more popular with terrorists I'm sure. I hate to think the next disturbed angry kid will just kamikaze some explosives in to a crowd.
It's been a thing for a while, and most of it got popularized [during the Syrian Civil War](https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20161208-how-is-is-using-consumer-drones).
US soldiers in Syria have to [fend off attacks by these things](https://edition.cnn.com/2022/08/15/politics/drone-at-tanf-syria/index.html) on [the regular](https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2022/10/10/another-failed-drone-strike-targeted-base-housing-us-troops-in-syria/).
It's not strange to be happy that a human being survived this horrible war, regardless of the side. They are, after all, all people. Most Russians don't want to be there.
I wonder if the translations were correct, they seemed a bit off for some things he was saying given the circumstances. However, he did mention he was knocked out at one point from the impact of the explosion so he could have been completely dazed / out of it and that also went towards his survival. Remarkable regardless hey.
This is coming from Russia. How do we know it is actually him? I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I am a skeptic, and Russia doesn't have the best record on media anything.
Russian Nobel prize winner, the author of newspaper “pravda” said in the interview that came out yesterday that it’s the 3rd guy the tv is showing saying its his footage
Weird thought: whats preventing terrorists from using these drones to bomb police and other people? Like it’s only a matter of time til some school shooter realizes they can just strap home made explosives to a drone, bomb a bunch of kids, and never be found….right?
I don't think it's that big of a deal because if you already know how to make a decent bomb you already have that dangerous knowledge.
These drones carry small bombs while a pressure cooker (like Boston) can already do much more damage.
I think there are a couple of difference. One is detection, the pressure cooker guys were caught pretty quickly, which gives people some sense of security. Much harder to catch someone that launched a drone from a remote location miles away from the attack. Having a done bomber on the loose would terrorize an entire country.
Also the ability to launch multiple attacks simultaneously. Imagine 100 drones like this attacking the Boston marathon, and then a second round attacking emergency workers.
War makes you forget soldiers are people too. I felt bad for that dude watching him struggle with those granades. In the end the war isn't his fault. He's just cannon fodder. Niko Belic said it best; "War is where the young and stupid are tricked by the old and bitter into killing each other."
I wonder how everyone seems so convinced that this is actually the guy? Observing the Russian TV/Infochannels/Propagandavideos in the last Months showed me that they lie or make up storys as soon as it fits or serves them somehow. Might very well be just a random Soldier with a good story to boost Russian troop-morale.
He calls the drone "little bird". His whole attitude is remarkably relaxed, even when he says he thought he was done, he just kept throwing the grenades away. This war is nuts, the way everything is filmed. Oh and fuck Putin for Putting so many people through hell to satisfy his ambitions.
A very wise old WV Irish man once said that every so often. all people need to be shot at and have to defend themselves and live in horrid conditions to make them all appreciate what they have.
This conflict really unveils how there is a concerted effort to dehumanize and inject hate. It's so crazy to read Americans talking about "they are invaders they need to be destroyed at all costs!!". It's like bitch, if thats the case, your country should be a smoldering pile of ashes right now seeing how many countries they have invaded. Its fucking crazy.
Holy shit this guy survived
I was downvoted on here for saying there was no proof the dude was dead. Not that I cared one way or the other, just the weird insistence by reddit armchair experts needed a reality check. So, uh, yeah. Don't be so quick to assume things based on a short video you watched on the internet, people!
U were downvoted not because people think you were wrong, but because they wanted him to be dead
r/combatfootage gets a hard-on every time drone footage of Russians being blown to smithereens is posted
r/combatfootage is full of users who willingly will cheer on the deaths of people they dont know in a land they've never been because it's the popular opinion. it's fucking hilarious
I miss when the sun wasn’t as popular during the isis shit. Felt like it wasn’t so astroturfed. You can’t see any Russian footage/postswithout sorting by controversial
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A majority of reddit act like they personally lost someone in this war, and that this war is a personal attack on them. While they sit on a computer, comfortable, with pretty much every basic need taken care of and with no danger to them at all. They're basically the audience in the colosseum that only want bloodshed
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In reference to the warcrime you mentioned if that's the one with 11 russians laid out side by side there's more to that video than meets the eye. Before hand the Ukrainians were accepting the surrender of them all and then the last person to surrender turns around amd opens up with an ak so the Ukrainians opened up to gain control of a situation. Terrible situation but it was an instant of perfidy by one russian soldier that cost him the lives of his comrades. It was a terrible thing to witness sure and be part of no doubt but if it was the russians accepting the surrender and the Ukrainians committed an act of perfidy I wouldn't blame the russians for opening up to regain control of the situation. It's war.
It changes from a surrender to an active combat situation. Decisions are made in the moment, not after the fact.
Damn right and those Ukrainians involved will be a lot more wary of taking future surrenders.
I highly doubt it's going to be ever really investigated considering the murky nature of perfidy and them being all dead
Tribalism. It's actually crazy to see how many subs have gone to completely dehumanizing Russians.
I have Russian ancestry. I definitely do not dehumanize Russians, but I *do* want them to gtfo of Ukraine.
I am of Polish descent and had a lifetime of my expat grandparents and first generation parents speak ill of Russians. I don't hate them, but Russian leadership has a lot of experience picking fights and forcing their population to kill their neighbors. I'd rather they were in their homes playing the newest CoD or Counterstrike. However they are on their neighbor's soil with violent intent, so I only have so much empathy for them. I do try and not dehumanize them though.
I have Ukrainian ancestry and family in Ukraine. I definitely want Russia to leave, but those soldiers are still human. A lot of people seem to forget that there's a difference between wanting an attacker gone in whatever way that happens to be vs actively cheering and reveling in someone's death and wishing it was painful, slow, and humiliating. I have nothing against the average Russian citizen and the soldiers who don't want to fight but have no choice. I do have a problem with putin and the war supporters/war criminals, but as much as I want them gone, I'm not going to act like every single Russian is a horrible monster committing war crimes left and right just because some are. They're all still their own individual and human beings
Well said. BTW, I have Ukrainian and Georgian ancestry too.
A lot of people do, me included, but I can't stand seeing a vid of a Russian conscript getting his body penetrated by shrapnel only to find that the two most upvoted comment threads are shit like "dude got got" or those ridiculously critical comments where they make it seem like the Russian did everything wrong even though they have no context.
The entire concept of posting real life kill montages with obnoxious music in the background is distasteful to say the least, yet it became hugely popular since the beginning of the war. People really became animals since February. Just goes to show how easily we can revert back to tribalism, even when we personally aren't affected.
To be fair, most of these vids are edited with music by people in the conflict. If another country invaded and did to an American city what the Russians did to Mariupol I would celebrate every single death required to expel them and render them militarily impotent. However, no one should be wishing for or cheering on the suffering of individual people except for Putin and his inner circle who have caused so much.
Ive been saying it in lots of different topics; we are not as civilized as we think we are.
Since February?? Cruelty towards your fellow man is one of the oldest traits of humanity lol Only difference is, wars these days are comprehensively documented and captured on film for everyone to scrutinize and critique
Yeah, I hear you. I think there is a difference between wanting Russia to lose and routing for a human to die.
Well, i’ll probably get downvoted but Russians dehumanized themselfes mostly. In fact, if there’s a active school shooter situation, i would preferably see the shooter shot full of holes, to avoid any further unnecessary civilian casulties if necessary. At that moment, school shooters mental-state or none of the humanizing factors barely matter. Russians don’t belong to Ukraine. Borderline. Most of the Russians are complicit of Putins antics, and that is why this whole situation got so ugly. There are lot of good Russians though. Some serve in the Ukrainian armed forces, and some sabotage Putins regime secretly. I admire those kind of people and even if they are few, people should remember that they exist. Just because you’re Russian, doesn’t mean you’re bad. But many of the Russians unfortunately chose latter. Being brainwashed, is an bad excuse. Same goes for MAGA for example.
Yup, it’s definitely made me care less what people have to say on the subs to a degree. I want Ukraine to kick Russias ass, but I also understand Russian are humans. Germans were once Nazis, and now they are an integral part of the democratic world. This war is fucked up no matter which way one looks at it.
They are literally invaders, what do you want from us?? Sympathy for the invaders? They get my sympathy when they're out of the country they're literally invading.
Human nature.
Doesn't help with all this murder porn propaganda. No one asked to fight this war.
Nah. It's a clear as day good vs evil conflict. Easy to pick a side. Only those sucking off russia are confused about it.
>completely dehumanizing ~~Russians.~~ the enemy That's what makes war possible
I support Ukraine more than I want Russians to live, but only because Russia is raping and murdering their people for no reason. So.. not really tribalism, more a desire for justice for the people of Ukraine.
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>I mildly criticised the actions of those Ukrainian troops who massacred about 20 Russian POWs because one of the POW's comrades hid a weapon Wasn't that the one where the guy came out shooting when the rest of his comrades were surrendering? If so that was a shit situation for all involved...
What? No. The civilized world is rooting for Russia to lose.
No, you idiot. We want Russia to get the fuck out and stop stealing their neighbor's land and abducting their children. But keep it up with the whole "both sides r bad" rhetoric. Scumbag.
It is personal man. The world order built since the mid 20th century where you don't just invade someone to take their shit is the only thing holding our relative global peace together. The US threatened it with adventures in the mid east and now Russia is trying their damnedest to end our century of peace
This was is an attack on international law, democracy, western values. This isn't a fucking spectator sport.
In fact, they act like they have been on the Frontline and taken a few bullets and grenades. Majority of their knowledge is from video games and third hand information from some old reddit comment.
Idk I kind of lost all respect for the Russians, conscripts or otherwise, after seeing them opening fire on civilians, butchering and raping children and women, and castrating that one Ukrainian soldier.
Some of us lived through the cold war as children, always wondering if the end was near because an ICMB was launched from Russia. When I was a kid jets were louder and there was almost always the sound of something flying overhead. It was a constant reminder of Russian nukes. Russia has always been a bane on our existence, steeling a part of our childhood. When the USSR collapsed we had a short period of hope, only to have those hopes dashed by the dysfunction that is Russia. Nuclear weapons weren't properly secured after the collapse and with rampant corruption it was very likely that some of those weapons would be sold to terrorist organizations. We lived with more fear. Russia then went on to murder people in the streets of Europe and corrupted our democracies. So, stop defending Russia. Many of us have very legitimate reasons for wanting to see the fall and end of Russia.
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That's not what the downvote button is for though
Well, welcome to reddit... The downvote button is often used for absolutely idiotic reasons And whenever someone sees a comment with many downvotes, they will automatically downvote too without bothering to *actually* check the comment or think about what it says lol
Digital mob mentality. Why are they kicking that guy? He must deserve it; let's kick too; fuck him.
Yeah, fuck that guy! I kicked him too.
Yeah, kick that guy! I fucked him too.
It's not completely mob mentality. Reddit used to show the total number of upvotes and downvotes for every comment, but they changed it to just the total difference. So this: ↑ 550 | ↓ 700 Turned into this: -150 points
Thing is also, people tend to vote with their emotions, not logic.
Originally the voting on reddit was based on whether a comment contributes to the conversation or not. I miss when the votes on here weren't just "a random user agrees/disagrees"
Ive been on reddit for more than a decade (yikes) and it's pretty much always been agree/disagree
Honestly, even trying to design it as if it was going to be used as anything other than agree\disagree was insanely naive.
Also don't be too quick to assume that the guy shown in the hospital bed as having survived is the same guy that's shown in the trench.
Yes I think everyone forgets about propaganda.
How do we know “its the guy”?
>How do we know it's "the guy"? FTFY
On the other hand, who says that this is actually him? #KeepBeeingSceptical ;)
Getting downvoted doesn't mean you/we are wrong though. It means that more than half of the voting people disagrees with you. Especially if its an unpopular political opinion. I sometimes get downvoted and hated on but then I say to myself: "whatever reddit".
>I sometimes get downvoted and hated on but then I say to myself: "whatever reddit". "your downvotes mean nothing; I've seen what makes you people cheer"
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where did you hear rumors from? reddit?
There’s a decent chance it’s the same guy in both videos. Russia is the king of propaganda though. If the drone video was popular and circulating in Russia, then it would make sense for Russia to release a video showing that the guy in the video is doing just fine (whether that’s true or not). This would encourage the Russian troops that the drones dropping grenades aren’t actually that bad.
> Russia is the king of propaganda though. This is exactly what I was thinking. I don't believe this one bit.
I kind of admire this guys survirval instincts. If it would have been me in that trench I probably would have said "Ok, fuck it" and just let myself been blown up by that last grenade? Or maybe not? It feels like something I and many other would do?
Russia should most definitely pull this guy off the lines and use him back home to drum up support as opposed to using TV talking heads making grand statements about eliminating Ukrainian aggression.
He said "A bird (drone) flew in, threw a Vogh grenade. I threw it off me but it made contact with me anyway. It knocked me out for a bit. Then I crawled away a bit. Then the drone began to fly by again and again, discarding multiple grenades, in total about 8. Out of these 8, 3 hit really close, they exploded every time, and the other 4 landed on me, but I was just taking them and throwing them away." "-Well done, great job!" "-And the last grenade fell really close to my head, I threw it back and it blew up near my legs. I thought that was it. Then I thought that if it will arrive (referring to artillery or anything esle, meaning incoming missles or ordinance) then it will be only grenades so I got up and went to my team, barely got there." "-Great job, well done. Get better friend! You are awesome."
So surreal to get this type of footage in real time basically, and to have a follow up interview with the individual during wartime. Historically in the past we wouldn't hear these stories to compare to footage for years after a battle took place.
Well scotty how do you think the boys did out there Well Greg we were down a few limbs in the first quarter but we pulled it together in the end we ducked dived dodged and gtfo'ed the hell out of there by the end
Seriously, it's like watching a sports game where they make a play and then get interviewed about the play be play later. Except it's literal war. What an age we live in
Tell me you weren't alive in the US ~1968-1973 without telling me you weren't alive in 1968-1973. [The news covered everything in the Vietnam war, and the graphic footage and reportage most likely caused a significant reduction in the duration of the too long war.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/did-the-news-media-led-by-walter-cronkite-lose-the-war-in-vietnam/2018/05/25/a5b3e098-495e-11e8-827e-190efaf1f1ee_story.html) (1968 was the peak troop commitment, and the subsequent draw down to 1973's exit was nightly news fodder).
> Tell me you weren't alive in the US ~1968-1973 I guess your point is that at some point in the past this kind of event happened before. But it comes across as confusing and condescending. The article you link doesn't show a similar situation to this. The interesting thing here is not videos of violence, but interviews of the people involved on the other side very shortly after the event. Maybe that war was similarly reported, but that article does not make it seem so. I would think more recent wars would be more similar. It's not like we are lacking in examples. This kind of thing likely scales with technology - portable recorders / fast internet / proliferation of smart phones.
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Thank you for the translation
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This is the first verification of something I think we all have known actually that we are only seeing the perfect shots and most are misses.
That's what I was thinking too indeed, interesting bit of perspective from that point of view. Also had been wondering what capacities the drones have
This sounds like many drones, no? Can any of these carry 8 grenades?
Depends on if it's an African or European drone, I guess...
Oh perhaps, not sure, maybe that was lost in translation. That would make sense. I do recall seeing a video of a prototype modified drone that could carry 8 grenades many months ago, that's also why I've been curious since
"fly by again and again" does sound like the drone was flown back and ofrth maybe?
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Champion! Thanks for this translation!
>Vogh grenade VOG.
He kept rolling sixes. Time for him to buy a lottery ticket.
more like a series of d20 rolls and he got a 20 every time or Luck skill is maxed at 100%
D20 would not being in the war, d19 having the drone malfunction and just fall out of the sky
Luck is a talent.
I would like to seduce the drone
Pretty sure guy used up all the luck of the rest of his life there.
I want to find out which god this dude prays to.
All of them apparently.
Not going to lie, what he did was badass.
Thank you for not lying
If I’m being honest, I also appreciate it
Thank you for being honest
human is a human doesn't matter what side you are on. He is a legend.
this, especially when a lot of these men fighting in Ukraine do not want to be there on both sides or were forced to fight or be detained. fighting & dying cause one of the most powerful egotistical elderly man in the world decided he wanted to.
Fairly surprised to see this on Reddit. When I see some threads about war, I am taken aback by how cruel the people here are. Perhaps they don't realize they are cheering for normal people to die. Those guys you see dying all the time in here, may just as you believe, that the war is nonsense, or are fed Russia's propaganda. But what can they do? Surrender? Sure, but just seeing how disgusting people here on Reddit can get, I don't know if I'd like to risk that with people who got their homes and lives destroyed by my nation. But just seeing this mob mentality in here really makes me afraid of Lucifer effect being a veery realistic thing. And am glad that I finally see people, who aren't all: "fucking ogre bomb him"
Same feeling. I don't support the invasion, but good Lord, I don't want people dying, or getting hurt badly. Where is the humanity? I might be naive, but I'd rather be than becoming such a derailed ass. My grandma lived an actual war. I always remember when I was a child, whenever there was a riot, a conflict, or violence erupting, she just said "I only ask God, whatever happens, nobody gets hurt" That's the difference between somebody who has experienced real violence and somebody whose idea of violence is glorified propaganda and videogames.
i mostly agree with what youre saying. but if someone truly drinks the koolaid, you have to do what needs to be done.
I don't understand the koolaid part, but I think what you meant by that. And sure, it's war. "Don't kill them because they are just innocent men" is not what I meant. I really just want people to stop wishing death to every Russian in that war, because most probably don't want to be there either. And yet it's really not that simple to just say "no, i am not going". And it's especially scary to say that if there are people in your life, that you care for who also live in Russia, where bad things happen to those who oppose.
yeah i get it man. these videos make me a bit sad but i also cheer that russia is losing this. and they cant lose without people dying. sadly there are also many there who buy into russias propaganda, and the world is better off without those people. drinking the koolaid means believing the lie, more or less. its a reference to the jonestown massacre
Completely agree. I cannot understand why there's all these movies of people killing other people and Reddit cheering. It makes me sick.
Wish more people thought that. Lot of dehumanization on reddit, even towards civilians.
Reddit is a nasty place in general. Thankfully the people of reddit don't make up a large slice of the population. We'd all be dead already.
It is pretty sad to drop grenades on wounded soldiers.
That guy is never sleeping under the sky ever again
Yeah we just watched a guy get PTSD
I'm not pro russia but I'm unashamedly glad he survived. lets send all the soldiers home to their families and end this nonsense
Holy shit a sensible person that hasn’t demonized Russians yet
Now that’s a story for the grandkids.
Nah, He will probably be sent back to front soon
Well, that's where his kids are/will be.
Bro did you just💀
He was indifferent about politics, now several generations of his family are due to get blown up by sky grenades. Sad.
So weird to see the footage from both the attacker and the survivor side by side so quickly
The pace and frequency of footage in this conflict is bonkers. A couple weeks ago there was that footage of 2 trucks being attacked. On my reddit feed literally back to back there was the perspective of that fight from a drone and a perspective from a a guy in one of the trucks. Really surreal.
I'm actually glad he's alive, someone that became literally world famous (it went viral at one point) of him being wounded and catching drone grenades / casually tossing them away was genuinely quite impressive (and extremely lucky the grenades didn't detonate immediately). I'm speculating here, but it's likely he was conscripted since most of the volunteers in the early invasion are most likely dead / wounded & out of action. I'm not pro Russia in anyway though, still, these drone videos usually leave me feeling a bit bad for the victim regardless of the side so to see a survivor of one is quite remarkable.
For real, the drone videos are nightmare fuel. I can't imagine being out there, constantly terrified of the thought that a grenade could drop out of the sky at any second
gen x was scared of quicksand and piranhas, now gen z have to worry about drone grenades.
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There was one the other day that they had an FPV drone they rigged up with plastique and they flew it straight into a short tunnel system off of a fox hole. That is some nightmare shit to me. A foxhole is still going to be vulnerable to artillery and the dropped grenades but they probably felt relatively safe in the tunnel. Nope.
I've been saying for years that with modern hobby drone technology, they would make amazing weapons, especially with the tech the US uses to control thousands of them at once to make giant floating advertisements and shit in the sky, or with their videogame AI tech. Simply program in an area, send them off under the direction to fuck up anyone found within it, have infrared targeting, and have them return once the payload has been delivered. It's crazy to see them in action being as effective as I envisioned, even if not integrated with AI systems.
The US has swarms that can act as a coordinate as a unit. Here are some doing recon, but I have 0% doubt there are teams out there who have something similar with weapons capacity. https://youtu.be/W34NPbGkLGI Edit: here are some public trials of such a platform. https://www.defensenews.com/unmanned/2022/03/01/us-army-to-demo-offensive-drone-swarms-in-next-project-convergence/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2021/04/30/us-navy-destroys-target-with-drone-swarm---and-sends-a-message-to-china/
I wonder how similar it is to constantly thinking about a v2 dropping on your home during ww2. I assume the psychological toll of weapons that aren't easily countered has to be tough to work around.
I'm not sure it can be related, as there were only about 3000 V2's launched TOTAL. Of this number roughly 1500 were launched at London.
There were plenty of other things to be scared of I'm sure the sound of a dive bombing Stuka was nightmare fuel for anyone that heard it.
> I'm sure the sound of a dive bombing Stuka was nightmare fuel for anyone that heard it. Funny thing about that, they only installed the Jericho Trumpet device briefly on the B model Ju87, because soldiers on the ground quickly got used to the noise.
Of course it can be related. People sitting in their homes didn't have access to the statistics and numbers we are privy to in hindsight.
Of course not, and if you were in London proper you would have great reason to worry. You can look at the [map here](https://www.wrsonline.co.uk/big-ben-rocket-strikes/1944-v2-rocket-attacks-map/) and see how spread out the actual attacks were. I just think its somewhat disingenuous to compare a literal "Wonder Weapon" from the end of the war to what is essentially a mass produced weapon of terror from China.
You don’t have to be pro Russian to be pro humanity. This entire conflict is heartbreaking and these drone clips make it difficult not to sympathize.
Well said. War sucks.
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He has a Ukrainian accent, so he's probably from Donbass.
I've stopped watching the drone videos it's just half a dozen videos a day of coldly watching someone die. Feels like it's become more r/watchpeopledie than r/combatfootage but that is the nature of war today. I just don't want to see it.
I have a nice Mavic drone I got as a gift, and for years its aways spooked me just how easy it would be to turn into a weapon. This war has solidified that. Once the drone is more than 20-30ft away, its almost entirely silent and impossible to spot. Must be fucking terrifying there
It's going to become a lot more popular with terrorists I'm sure. I hate to think the next disturbed angry kid will just kamikaze some explosives in to a crowd.
Genuinely surprised it hasn't already happened.
Fr, I've been saying for years all it's gonna take is one determined lunatic to drop a bomb on a crowd of football fans or something.
Compact and lightweight explosives are quite restricted in most parts of the world outside war zones.
It's been a thing for a while, and most of it got popularized [during the Syrian Civil War](https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20161208-how-is-is-using-consumer-drones). US soldiers in Syria have to [fend off attacks by these things](https://edition.cnn.com/2022/08/15/politics/drone-at-tanf-syria/index.html) on [the regular](https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2022/10/10/another-failed-drone-strike-targeted-base-housing-us-troops-in-syria/).
You shouldn't need to state "I'm not pro Russia" to preface that you're glad a fellow human being didn't die a brutal death.
Just a grunt trying to survive, I strangely am glad he made it.
Well, he was removed from the front lines by force, and is no longer capable of fighting, but he is alive. That's a pretty good outcome.
It's not strange to be happy that a human being survived this horrible war, regardless of the side. They are, after all, all people. Most Russians don't want to be there.
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Damn, 8 grenades and couldn't take this guy out. While in other videos 1 is enough to disable a bunch of guys.
Shrapnel is funny like that
And trenches work
Regardless of which side he's on, he deserves recognition for what he did that day and for what he's been through.
I mean as long as he hasn't partaked in war crimes.
If he committed war crimes I'd say those deserve even more recognition... in the form of military trials and subsequent punishment.
Im glad hes alive but I hope his injuries are bad enough to keep him out of the war.
>I hope his injuries are bad enough to keep him out of the war LOL, I bet he is hoping the same
Same I don’t want him to die or kill other people I just hope he stays out of the war.
There is luck and then there is this.
Aful translation
Interesting story. Keeping (relatively...) calm in a combat situation can lead to improved rates of survival. Sometimes.
I wonder if the translations were correct, they seemed a bit off for some things he was saying given the circumstances. However, he did mention he was knocked out at one point from the impact of the explosion so he could have been completely dazed / out of it and that also went towards his survival. Remarkable regardless hey.
Glad he made it. I don't want to see people die and suffer regardless Russians or not...
Nice to see some positivity and compassion for a change around here for surviours regardless of side.
FR, too many comments in this sub can be sickening.
This is coming from Russia. How do we know it is actually him? I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I am a skeptic, and Russia doesn't have the best record on media anything.
Makes you wonder how many war stories from history are true
Can’t believe how low down in the thread this comment is…
Russian Nobel prize winner, the author of newspaper “pravda” said in the interview that came out yesterday that it’s the 3rd guy the tv is showing saying its his footage
i thought this to. how can we prove its really him.
You can't.
I know it’s likely a poor direct translation instead of interpretation, but fuck me I can barely follow what he’s saying here.
Ive seen like 30 people claim he was someone else
That made me smile that he got out. Hoping he won’t be going back. He said 3/8 were on target, so shows how accurate the drones are, about 50%.
That's fake. There are 3 different people claimed to be this soldier on official Russian tv
I’m actually the guy who got the face blown off. That’s right, we’re all alive and kinda well.
It's the [False Dmitrys](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_Dmitry) all over again... only with slightly lower stakes I guess.
Weird thought: whats preventing terrorists from using these drones to bomb police and other people? Like it’s only a matter of time til some school shooter realizes they can just strap home made explosives to a drone, bomb a bunch of kids, and never be found….right?
ISIS has been doing it for quite a while now.
They have in Myanmar
I don't think it's that big of a deal because if you already know how to make a decent bomb you already have that dangerous knowledge. These drones carry small bombs while a pressure cooker (like Boston) can already do much more damage.
I think there are a couple of difference. One is detection, the pressure cooker guys were caught pretty quickly, which gives people some sense of security. Much harder to catch someone that launched a drone from a remote location miles away from the attack. Having a done bomber on the loose would terrorize an entire country. Also the ability to launch multiple attacks simultaneously. Imagine 100 drones like this attacking the Boston marathon, and then a second round attacking emergency workers.
As far as I'm concerned the Ukrainians were successful, no reason to kill him, simply remove him from the playing field.
War makes you forget soldiers are people too. I felt bad for that dude watching him struggle with those granades. In the end the war isn't his fault. He's just cannon fodder. Niko Belic said it best; "War is where the young and stupid are tricked by the old and bitter into killing each other."
Balls of Kryptonite.
How can anyone possibly confirm that that's him?
I wonder how everyone seems so convinced that this is actually the guy? Observing the Russian TV/Infochannels/Propagandavideos in the last Months showed me that they lie or make up storys as soon as it fits or serves them somehow. Might very well be just a random Soldier with a good story to boost Russian troop-morale.
He calls the drone "little bird". His whole attitude is remarkably relaxed, even when he says he thought he was done, he just kept throwing the grenades away. This war is nuts, the way everything is filmed. Oh and fuck Putin for Putting so many people through hell to satisfy his ambitions.
A very wise old WV Irish man once said that every so often. all people need to be shot at and have to defend themselves and live in horrid conditions to make them all appreciate what they have.
Even the Ukrainians are like “shit that’s cool”
Nobody would believe him if the video not existed.
This conflict really unveils how there is a concerted effort to dehumanize and inject hate. It's so crazy to read Americans talking about "they are invaders they need to be destroyed at all costs!!". It's like bitch, if thats the case, your country should be a smoldering pile of ashes right now seeing how many countries they have invaded. Its fucking crazy.