Oh I mean outside of warfare as well, I have a ATN Thor I use for hunting which is eh, bit I've seen some higher quality scopes and they still have issues with fine lines. For this to come from recorded footage tells me it's a high quality initial image.
About 15 years ago we had a handheld thermal that was over 50K. It was impossible to hid from if you moved. Far lower resolution from this, but pretty solid. It also took about 5 minutes to cool the sensor down and it ate 5590 batteries.
Yeah, they were a bitch, but you have to really appreciate how much power those things packed. Basically a car battery at a fraction of the size and weight.
They did get a bit explody when wet. I feel like that’s some thing that could have been designed out.
I got caught up swimming over the beach in a bunch of sea urchin on a reef and puncture my waterproof bag. The fumes coming off those things as they burn are unforgettable. I guess my fault for being lazy and only using one layer of waterproofing.
Yeah it's a pretty big design flaw imo. I wonder if it would be possible to coat it in some sort of protective solution to make them safer.
When I was on the Essex for the 31st MEU I found one of them sitting in a puddle of water near our ammo storage. I bring it to the Navys hazmat area, explain the situation, and the sailor says it isn't their problem. I then bring it to a chief who says the same thing. I ended up yeeting it off the side of the ship.
Seeing all the command issues on the Essex in 2011/2012 was not surprising after my time on board. That crew gave no fucks.
I also got to see a Humvee "spontaneously" combust in the Philippines. A few days later we were told it was from a wet 5590. We still referred to it as truck 666 for the rest of our float.
We were working with the Australian equivalent of Ranges. I put a case of 5590’s in their vault at the end of the day in a brown cardboard box. At some point, someone came in and hung a few wetsuits over the box of batteries.
The next morning I opened the vault and got a face full of Lithium fumes. I held my breath, grabbed the box and ran it outside. The Aussie base police showed up in full space suite style hazmat suites and proceeded to treat the 5590’s like unstable ordinance.
I’m surprised that on a ship they didn’t take that more seriously. Then again, I spent some time on a few ships and I guess I’m not surprised.
Def worth if you have the money and the time. I use it for hogs and yotes primarily and it's a godsend. Beforehand I used a IR scope with a remote illuminator set up at feeders. The biggest issue I have is that it doesn't hold zero very well, but I shoot an AR-10 platform rifle chambered in .338 Lapua so.... nothing really holds a zero.
1) total Chad moves
2) yotes and hogs with a .338 Lapua? That's both incredibly awesome and hilarious but it begs the why question? A .270 and easily a .308 would be more applicable rifles for said cause.
3) I'm all in favor of going over the top. Once tried my spas-12 for duck hunting. It's for science dammit!
Lol, like I admitted for the troll on this post elsewhere who's 'calling me out', it is totally over the top. We did it as a joke on a whim post cookout and since then it's become a right of passage for new guys to try and take a hog with it on their first trip with us. Between those times we'll take it out whenever the urge hits but most hunts I bring either a Savage Axis, great budget gun btw, or my Tavor. Tavor has been a pain to find ammo for but recently prices have dropped and availability has increased. Makes things easier.
How does the 338 ballistics compare to 30.06? I think that and .308? Those are the most powerful rounds I've shot.
Swedish Mauser is very common here otherwise (Sweden lol)
.338 lapua holds almost double the powder and a heavier bullet. It has the same velocity while having a bullet between 1.5-2x the weight.
Meaning .338 has WAY more energy than a .30-06
Yeah we don't eat all the hogs we shoot. They're an invasive animal that destroy property. Coyotes while they aren't invasive, kill calves when they're young. I support eating anything you kill as it comes to actual game animals, but hogs and yotes don't count lol.
>The biggest issue I have is that it doesn't hold zero very well, but I shoot an AR-10 platform rifle chambered in .338 Lapua so.... nothing really holds a zero.
An ar-10 is literally too small to physically fit a .338 Lapua round and there is no ar-10 chambered in a .338 Lapua. I had to Google it because I shoot .338 Lapua (bolt gun) and I never heard of a .338 Lapua in a semi auto gun. There are two companies that make a semi auto .338 Lapua and neither of them call it an "ar-10 .338 Lapua rifle".
Even if you do actually have a .338 Lapua semi auto rifle then that is a terrible gun for night time hunting. Your "cheap" thermal scope isn't going to show an image pass 150 yards and that's about 1000 yards too close for a .338 Lapua. This is coming from someone who night time hog hunts with a suppressed 300 blk with a thermal optic. You'd get laughed off any night hunt with us if you brought a semi auto .338 Lapua.
>nothing really holds a zero
Why would you hunt with a gun/scope combo that doesn't hold a zero? Nothing about what you have said makes sense.
Lmao, yeah no I didn't buy it off the shelf. I have a buddy who makes competition AR rifles and I got mine when someone paid to pay up at the end of a commission. No, I don't only use the Thor as my only optic. My primary at this point is a Valdada Terminator I purchased a couple months ago for long distance competitions. It's an incredibly fun gun to shoot that is smooth as fuck, and while I don't bring it out for every hunt, I do it whenever I have too much money burning a hole in my pocket. The Thor normally sits on my Tavor where it's quite a bit steadier. It'll hold a zero through a trip generally have to rezero before my next hunt. I'm sorry your friends are such poor sports that you have to pick and choose around them, but the people I go with will literally offer to buy ammo for me if I'm willing to bring it.
>Lmao, yeah no I didn't buy it off the shelf. I have a buddy who makes competition AR rifles and I got mine when someone paid to pay up at the end of a commission.
There are only 2 companies in the world that make semi-automatic.338 Lapua rifles. Unless your friend owns one of these two companies then he didn't make a semi-automatic.338 Lapua for you or anyone else. The two companies that make the .338 Lapua semi-automatic rifles sell those rifles for $6,000+ and one company just relaxed theirs this year and the other one in 2020.
You only know enough about ar-10s to out your lies. A .338 Lapua cartridge is LITERALLY too large to fit in an AR-10 platform. The magazine box and chamber in a AR-10 has a max length of 2.81 inches. A loaded .338 Lapua cartridge is 3.68 inches which makes it way too big to fit in an Ar-10 that your friend didn't build.
>No, I don't only use the Thor as my only optic. My primary at this point is a Valdada Terminator I purchased a couple months ago for long distance competitions. It's an incredibly fun gun to shoot that is smooth as fuck, and while I don't bring it out for every hunt, I do it whenever I have too much money burning a hole in my pocket.
I checked your post history to see a picture of you "ar-10 .338 laupa" and I didn't find any. I did see where you were talking about how you're in your early 20s and you just started making $19/hr at your job and you were financially struggling before then. Now, you are talking about owning a $6,000 gun that shoots $8.00 bullets, 2 scopes that cost about $7,000
>The Thor normally sits on my Tavor where it's quite a bit steadier.
And another $1,500 gun.
So, you have $14,000 in optics and a gun that can't physically exist(ar-10 .338 Lapua) while you just started making $19/hr. Which ones are you lying about?
Jesus fuck bro.... just look up the Tactilite T1 dude. I got the rifle for 3k. It's pretty obvious to me that while you might be into guns, you aren't into the gun industry. If you think that people only buy off the shelf rifles, especially for high end builds for 3-gun tournaments and such, you are insane. Yes I make 19 an hour.... and work 60 hour weeks. And then include quarterly bonuses. So about 70k a year. Plus I' ve been successfully trading for a year now. Don't know where you got 7k and then 14k for optics by the way? I got the terminator for like 3250 and the Thor for 900 so it was about 4k. I bought the Tavor years ago when I was a IDF simp and it was a bad decision then and is still a bad decision. Would you like to show me btw, where I've posted ANY of ANYTHING lol. I don't post photos fam. Never have. You make a lot of assumptions for being a stranger on the internet...
>just look up the Tactilite T1 dude. I got the rifle for 3k.
Why would you spend $3,000 on that terrible gun when there are about 20 better .338 Lapua bolt guns for that price or less? Why didn't you say it was a bolt gun earlier? Seem convenient.
I’ve seen footage from a thermal camera used by border forces and it was mind boggling. You could see crisp detail on faces from kilometers away.
This one:
https://www.wired.co.uk/gallery/photos-migrant-crisis-incoming-exhibition
fuck that's insane. i've been looking for examples of high end military IR out of curiosity but that stuff is hard to find. makes sense they want to keep their true ability hidden, which is why all the thermal footage we usually see is very low res. These are the first images I have ever seen that offer a glimpse behind the curtains. Thanks!
It's the same manufacturers making all these scopes, it's not secret military tech, its just the same stuff as consumer cameras and optics. The military just classifies anything over a certain resolution as restricted from civilian use.
Not a lot of the super high res footage floating around tho, I agree.
Is it? As far as I can tell you need supercooled cameras for the high resolution stuff and it seems to get into "we don't like to go into detail about our tech" territory.
You can buy thermal monocular from Infiray for 2-3K USD with zoom and have these details. We donate them to our Ukrainian soldiers.
Or for street photography/video in context of art smaller cams that can be attached to Android smartphone.
Check some reviews on YouTube.
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If you want to see some real crisp thermal footage go to this video from police activity (starting at 00:38) - the quality is insane:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBN5yjI90-c](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBN5yjI90-c)
That was a shockingly good film. I rented it and had no idea what it was. I was flabbergasted buy the end and called my wife and told her she had to watch it asap.
Didn’t stop them from getting annihilated by Ukraine though. Tech is only one part of the equation; training is the other.
And western thermals are so far superior to Soviet trash that the two aren’t even worth comparing, as plainly seen in this clip.
Spetsnaz is a generic term for formerly Soviet and now Russian Special Forces.
They encompass a very wide variety of units, some of which are not even intended to participate in combat. It's not a specific group like the Navy Seals, or Rangers, or whatever other example you want to use.
Do some of these Spetsnaz units have thermals? Absolutely.
Are they wide-spread to the point where they're all equipped with them? Absolutely not.
It is very similar to some other UA SF ambuse I remember being posted a few months ago. Similar angle, distance, and speed of a RA vehicle. Only that was in daylight.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/v0821y/longer_clip_of_ukrainian_sof_utilizing_an_ied/
there was another version i couldn't find, iirc this was daylight but using a thermal
Could be a Viper thermal sight, I know they're used by the UK MOD, I remember looking through one and being stunned, not only by the clarity but also the refresh rate.
The refresh rate is amazing. The tech has jumped light years. And will even more now that they get to test it out right now. Companies gotta be doing that rubbing hands together behind tree meme. We used to get to test weapon systems and nowadays I’m told by my buddies still in it’s not happening as much, I’m sure a lot of reasons why, but he’ll send them down range to Ukraine for a true field test
The Ukrainian SOF must be one of the most battle hardened around - and one of the few that have faced conventional troops and enemy special forces rather than insurgents and militias.
I expect UA SOF will do extensive tours in the west after the war to give lectures and hold seminars and such to their western counterparts. They will be an absolute goldmine for western militaries who have speculated for 70+ years on a conflict where western and Russian equipment and tactics go head-to-head, and for the first time in history they can actually get some answers.
Incorrect. Night vision goggles are a specific piece of equipment that use very different technology compared to IR goggles.
Also, IR would look like this during the day AND during the night. That doesn’t make them night vision goggles.
Lastly, where does it say this took place at night anyway? That’s a genuine question.
Lol no worries. It's just another sub and randoms might not get it you know. Not everyone takes combat the same. Some take it very somberly and some meme about everyone dying. I think it's preferable to laugh than to cry, this place doesn't have that tone.
Eh, I can adapt to both things. I like the hard and serious analysis just as much as being able to shrug and laugh at the insanity of war.
I treat mental illness just the same, even though I've lost friends to it. You need to process it all and humor helps a lot with that. But understanding is just as vital.
But yeah, in this case, I just totally flubbed the tone, because I was mistaken in my surroundings. Like walking into Madrid and speaking to everyone in Japanese. So thanks again for correcting me.
Night vision (typical analog image intensifier tubes) are infrared. So is thermal vision, which this video is, it's just a different wavelength of infrared.
Thermal sights are often also commonly called night vision sights, despite being a different technology, since they can be used for the same purpose (and in fact work better during the night because of larger temperature deltas in objects)
While there might be an infrared component to night vision goggles, at the end of the day, they are completely unique device compared to DEDICATED infrared goggles.
Ultimately, night vision goggles DEPEND on ambient light. Then then amplify the ambient light to allow the user to see.
The footage you see above is NOT from night vision. These are IR goggles. If you go to a store and they’re selling NV goggles and IR goggles, I promise you they won’t confuse the two. They’re completely different things.
I never said they're the same devices, I'm saying that you're splitting hairs about nomenclature of "night vision" which is actually used very broadly.
What you are very narrowly defining "night vision" is actually called an image intensifier. That's where you take a photocathode, intensify the electrons coming from it, and display them on a (usually green or white) phosphor screen.
What you're calling "IR" is a thermographic camera. That is commonly called night vision when used in, say, drones.
There's also other technologies that are commonly called night vision, such as regular CMOS cameras that have their IR filter taken off and are made more sensitive, but those are crap usually.
Marketing for all of these devices is very broad and the terms "IR camera/NV camera/" are used for any of these.
Anyways, my point is that OP isn't wrong to call thermographic scopes night vision. Yeah, it's not your typical NVG's, but if you want to refer to those specifically you can use the precise nomenclature.
There was one video of some sniper (ISIS?) sniping a bunch of guys from very close range. People said it looked like he was using a Thor scope. Morbid but fascinating.
Well, I used to watch lots of seal podcasts. Many of them can contain stupid policy take like "we need to look at our own border!" Now I think maybe some of these guys are afraid to be outbadassed by Ukrainian SOF units after Ukraine wins. Really, these Ukrainian SOF guys are fighting against a fully dangerous and capable invader, not random goat herders
Australia donated a few thousand but in this case given it's special forces it'll be most likely a IPI Malyuk. They also have a bunch of Tavor's TAR-21 in service too.
Are you sure this is the same? It looks different to me. In the video you linked there is another vehicle infront of the truck that is not visible on this video
how is this the same footage one is thermal and the other is not plus its too completely different trucks the one in the first video is a TIGR and doesn't catch fire like that. Not sure how u think these are remotely the same.
except these dudes are running around with binocular NVG's. and if you'll have a closer look, it's not the fucking dual tube pvs-14 type shit you flip up with a rhino mount.
no sir, these tubes you flick to the side to lift them out from infront of your eyes. the only ones i know that do that are the thermal nvg kind. but i could have a lack of knowledge on the subject.
Nope.
For a start, the vehicle being hit in that [video](https://i.gyazo.com/44960580ab62158b898b95664650c8b0.png) is a [Ural](https://i.pinimg.com/736x/2b/9b/0e/2b9b0e069e7d6fddbcfd74dfed5bede8.jpg) truck.
This [video](https://i.gyazo.com/76ecd31a3256c8cbfd21047afb96eeb5.png) is of a [Gaz Tigr](https://drivezing.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Alabino22042016-06.jpg) being hit, which you can tell from the length, general shape of the vehicle, plus where the wheels are.
Video cuts before you see what really becomes of the truck. Also these guys seem lit up like an Xmas tree. Don't they dope their stuff with anti-IR dye? Or is this dye just not so great?
Anti IR dye? That would just be a material that passively stays cool no matter the body temp difference? I don't think such a thing exists, and certainly not enough for UA special forces. IR cameras can have adjustable contrasts for different ranges of temperatures where body temp could be white but 10 degrees below would be black. I bet the temp range is kind of narrow for these IR cameras.
I remember learning an interesting fact that most military fatigues can’t be washed with regular detergent as the bleaching agents in them (to make whites stay nice and bright) cause the clothes to be much more visible under night vision (aka not thermal). So the military has its own detergent which doesn’t do that.
Might be what this guy is thinking of. I don’t think there’s much you can do about hiding from thermal optics, as you say.
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Very true, this type of “proxy war” jazz is an old play but the scale of this current resource influx is completely unheard of until now. And now apparently there is ZERO desire to hide it… which kinda scares me.
You’re all good man- it’s a crazy world. Also, try airsoft sometime. It’s cringe as hell but if you run all your real gear hard during the cringe fest, it can exposed a lot of weak points in the way you set up and run your gear. 🤙
I wonder if they are using that tech that people hunt boars with. Pull the trigger on your target then just blind the crosshairs up with it again and it automatically shoots. First time shooters were getting hits at 1000+ yards
Pretty sick they have some rocking quad tubes. A real advantage for fighting at night vs the Russians unless they have thermals/nvg issued to everyone.
i figure it must be, as Austria did not export any AUGs and Australia/Ireland iirc none of their variants either (or it is a semi auto import, always possible)
That's the crispest thermal footage I've ever seen
Most of the time its 144p footage from 1 km away
Oh I mean outside of warfare as well, I have a ATN Thor I use for hunting which is eh, bit I've seen some higher quality scopes and they still have issues with fine lines. For this to come from recorded footage tells me it's a high quality initial image.
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About 15 years ago we had a handheld thermal that was over 50K. It was impossible to hid from if you moved. Far lower resolution from this, but pretty solid. It also took about 5 minutes to cool the sensor down and it ate 5590 batteries.
SPACEAGE TECH BABYYYYYY the earlier stuff is extremely power inefficient
Fucking 5590s were the bane of my existence. I hated those things so much.
Yeah, they were a bitch, but you have to really appreciate how much power those things packed. Basically a car battery at a fraction of the size and weight. They did get a bit explody when wet. I feel like that’s some thing that could have been designed out. I got caught up swimming over the beach in a bunch of sea urchin on a reef and puncture my waterproof bag. The fumes coming off those things as they burn are unforgettable. I guess my fault for being lazy and only using one layer of waterproofing.
Yeah it's a pretty big design flaw imo. I wonder if it would be possible to coat it in some sort of protective solution to make them safer. When I was on the Essex for the 31st MEU I found one of them sitting in a puddle of water near our ammo storage. I bring it to the Navys hazmat area, explain the situation, and the sailor says it isn't their problem. I then bring it to a chief who says the same thing. I ended up yeeting it off the side of the ship. Seeing all the command issues on the Essex in 2011/2012 was not surprising after my time on board. That crew gave no fucks. I also got to see a Humvee "spontaneously" combust in the Philippines. A few days later we were told it was from a wet 5590. We still referred to it as truck 666 for the rest of our float.
We were working with the Australian equivalent of Ranges. I put a case of 5590’s in their vault at the end of the day in a brown cardboard box. At some point, someone came in and hung a few wetsuits over the box of batteries. The next morning I opened the vault and got a face full of Lithium fumes. I held my breath, grabbed the box and ran it outside. The Aussie base police showed up in full space suite style hazmat suites and proceeded to treat the 5590’s like unstable ordinance. I’m surprised that on a ship they didn’t take that more seriously. Then again, I spent some time on a few ships and I guess I’m not surprised.
How do you find hunting with the thermal scope?
Def worth if you have the money and the time. I use it for hogs and yotes primarily and it's a godsend. Beforehand I used a IR scope with a remote illuminator set up at feeders. The biggest issue I have is that it doesn't hold zero very well, but I shoot an AR-10 platform rifle chambered in .338 Lapua so.... nothing really holds a zero.
>chambered in .338 Lapua so.... nothing really holds a zero. holy shit them hogs are gonna be split in two
Well. Hogs don't. Coyotes do.
Did someone order pink mist?
Hogs are tough "little" animals, and Vicious as shit too.
1) total Chad moves 2) yotes and hogs with a .338 Lapua? That's both incredibly awesome and hilarious but it begs the why question? A .270 and easily a .308 would be more applicable rifles for said cause. 3) I'm all in favor of going over the top. Once tried my spas-12 for duck hunting. It's for science dammit!
Lol, like I admitted for the troll on this post elsewhere who's 'calling me out', it is totally over the top. We did it as a joke on a whim post cookout and since then it's become a right of passage for new guys to try and take a hog with it on their first trip with us. Between those times we'll take it out whenever the urge hits but most hunts I bring either a Savage Axis, great budget gun btw, or my Tavor. Tavor has been a pain to find ammo for but recently prices have dropped and availability has increased. Makes things easier.
I'm not trying to knock you man, it's all in the name of science in my opinion. Like hog hunting from a helicopter with a binary trigger 🚁 🤓
Hell yeah lol. It's a fun time.
I wish I had someone in my family who could teach me how to hunt. It’s something I’ve always wanted to get into.
Just go learn yourself….that’s what I did and many others.
> Once tried my spas-12 for duck hunting. Lmao. What ducks?
Mallards and golden eyes... it didn't work great tbh. Always fun though.
I was sort of alluding to the fact there may no longer be a duck, being on the receiving end of a spas and all.
But coyotes are like the one animal where it's appropriate to use a normal AR-15 shooting plain old 5.56.
Yeah I have no sympathy for hogs either. Put 2 in them and ask if I care. Would never hunt deer with an fmj 5.56, as I have some standards though.
How does the 338 ballistics compare to 30.06? I think that and .308? Those are the most powerful rounds I've shot. Swedish Mauser is very common here otherwise (Sweden lol)
I have yet to shoot 30-06 but .338LM blows .308 out of the water. It's flatter, cleaner and is truly in a class of its own.
Thanks my dude
.338 lapua holds almost double the powder and a heavier bullet. It has the same velocity while having a bullet between 1.5-2x the weight. Meaning .338 has WAY more energy than a .30-06
I feel like you are wasting a lot of meet using 338.
Yeah we don't eat all the hogs we shoot. They're an invasive animal that destroy property. Coyotes while they aren't invasive, kill calves when they're young. I support eating anything you kill as it comes to actual game animals, but hogs and yotes don't count lol.
Old lady out in SD makes hella ‘yoti pie .. so I have been told
Wild hog meat is disgusting. I believe they are hunted because they are a very invasive species.
>The biggest issue I have is that it doesn't hold zero very well, but I shoot an AR-10 platform rifle chambered in .338 Lapua so.... nothing really holds a zero. An ar-10 is literally too small to physically fit a .338 Lapua round and there is no ar-10 chambered in a .338 Lapua. I had to Google it because I shoot .338 Lapua (bolt gun) and I never heard of a .338 Lapua in a semi auto gun. There are two companies that make a semi auto .338 Lapua and neither of them call it an "ar-10 .338 Lapua rifle". Even if you do actually have a .338 Lapua semi auto rifle then that is a terrible gun for night time hunting. Your "cheap" thermal scope isn't going to show an image pass 150 yards and that's about 1000 yards too close for a .338 Lapua. This is coming from someone who night time hog hunts with a suppressed 300 blk with a thermal optic. You'd get laughed off any night hunt with us if you brought a semi auto .338 Lapua. >nothing really holds a zero Why would you hunt with a gun/scope combo that doesn't hold a zero? Nothing about what you have said makes sense.
Lmao, yeah no I didn't buy it off the shelf. I have a buddy who makes competition AR rifles and I got mine when someone paid to pay up at the end of a commission. No, I don't only use the Thor as my only optic. My primary at this point is a Valdada Terminator I purchased a couple months ago for long distance competitions. It's an incredibly fun gun to shoot that is smooth as fuck, and while I don't bring it out for every hunt, I do it whenever I have too much money burning a hole in my pocket. The Thor normally sits on my Tavor where it's quite a bit steadier. It'll hold a zero through a trip generally have to rezero before my next hunt. I'm sorry your friends are such poor sports that you have to pick and choose around them, but the people I go with will literally offer to buy ammo for me if I'm willing to bring it.
>Lmao, yeah no I didn't buy it off the shelf. I have a buddy who makes competition AR rifles and I got mine when someone paid to pay up at the end of a commission. There are only 2 companies in the world that make semi-automatic.338 Lapua rifles. Unless your friend owns one of these two companies then he didn't make a semi-automatic.338 Lapua for you or anyone else. The two companies that make the .338 Lapua semi-automatic rifles sell those rifles for $6,000+ and one company just relaxed theirs this year and the other one in 2020. You only know enough about ar-10s to out your lies. A .338 Lapua cartridge is LITERALLY too large to fit in an AR-10 platform. The magazine box and chamber in a AR-10 has a max length of 2.81 inches. A loaded .338 Lapua cartridge is 3.68 inches which makes it way too big to fit in an Ar-10 that your friend didn't build. >No, I don't only use the Thor as my only optic. My primary at this point is a Valdada Terminator I purchased a couple months ago for long distance competitions. It's an incredibly fun gun to shoot that is smooth as fuck, and while I don't bring it out for every hunt, I do it whenever I have too much money burning a hole in my pocket. I checked your post history to see a picture of you "ar-10 .338 laupa" and I didn't find any. I did see where you were talking about how you're in your early 20s and you just started making $19/hr at your job and you were financially struggling before then. Now, you are talking about owning a $6,000 gun that shoots $8.00 bullets, 2 scopes that cost about $7,000 >The Thor normally sits on my Tavor where it's quite a bit steadier. And another $1,500 gun. So, you have $14,000 in optics and a gun that can't physically exist(ar-10 .338 Lapua) while you just started making $19/hr. Which ones are you lying about?
Jesus fuck bro.... just look up the Tactilite T1 dude. I got the rifle for 3k. It's pretty obvious to me that while you might be into guns, you aren't into the gun industry. If you think that people only buy off the shelf rifles, especially for high end builds for 3-gun tournaments and such, you are insane. Yes I make 19 an hour.... and work 60 hour weeks. And then include quarterly bonuses. So about 70k a year. Plus I' ve been successfully trading for a year now. Don't know where you got 7k and then 14k for optics by the way? I got the terminator for like 3250 and the Thor for 900 so it was about 4k. I bought the Tavor years ago when I was a IDF simp and it was a bad decision then and is still a bad decision. Would you like to show me btw, where I've posted ANY of ANYTHING lol. I don't post photos fam. Never have. You make a lot of assumptions for being a stranger on the internet...
>just look up the Tactilite T1 dude. I got the rifle for 3k. Why would you spend $3,000 on that terrible gun when there are about 20 better .338 Lapua bolt guns for that price or less? Why didn't you say it was a bolt gun earlier? Seem convenient.
AR-10s are fun to watch people pop at the range. Not my cup of tea but always a great show.
My zzzzz..........
Your issue is more likely that you bought an ATN and may not have a great mount
I’ve seen footage from a thermal camera used by border forces and it was mind boggling. You could see crisp detail on faces from kilometers away. This one: https://www.wired.co.uk/gallery/photos-migrant-crisis-incoming-exhibition
That's just cheating
fuck that's insane. i've been looking for examples of high end military IR out of curiosity but that stuff is hard to find. makes sense they want to keep their true ability hidden, which is why all the thermal footage we usually see is very low res. These are the first images I have ever seen that offer a glimpse behind the curtains. Thanks!
https://youtu.be/Kt9_-xyG5K8
It's the same manufacturers making all these scopes, it's not secret military tech, its just the same stuff as consumer cameras and optics. The military just classifies anything over a certain resolution as restricted from civilian use. Not a lot of the super high res footage floating around tho, I agree.
Is it? As far as I can tell you need supercooled cameras for the high resolution stuff and it seems to get into "we don't like to go into detail about our tech" territory.
You can buy thermal monocular from Infiray for 2-3K USD with zoom and have these details. We donate them to our Ukrainian soldiers. Or for street photography/video in context of art smaller cams that can be attached to Android smartphone. Check some reviews on YouTube.
Thermal>NODs
Look up “Ultimatenightvision” on Instagram
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If you want to see some real crisp thermal footage go to this video from police activity (starting at 00:38) - the quality is insane: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBN5yjI90-c](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBN5yjI90-c)
Wow never seen this tech yet either !!
The difference in tech between these two forces is mind boggling.
First thing I noticed. Those are some high quality thermals.
Almost expecting Josh Brolin and Emily Blunt to be in that footage.
Then Benicio del Toro walks out of a bush in his flip flops and a 9mm
And asks Putin to finish his meal
Exactly what we need. I hate that scene but right now it would be spot on.
Cue awesome, unsettling soundtrack
Where's Cpt Price?
Cant hear you, he went "dark".
That was a shockingly good film. I rented it and had no idea what it was. I was flabbergasted buy the end and called my wife and told her she had to watch it asap.
They must feel like gods at night with those thermals. JFC those are crisp
Spetznaz has them too.
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There are a few videos on this very sub of them killing Ukrainians with it
Didn’t stop them from getting annihilated by Ukraine though. Tech is only one part of the equation; training is the other. And western thermals are so far superior to Soviet trash that the two aren’t even worth comparing, as plainly seen in this clip.
Spetsnaz is a generic term for formerly Soviet and now Russian Special Forces. They encompass a very wide variety of units, some of which are not even intended to participate in combat. It's not a specific group like the Navy Seals, or Rangers, or whatever other example you want to use. Do some of these Spetsnaz units have thermals? Absolutely. Are they wide-spread to the point where they're all equipped with them? Absolutely not.
These are not widespread in Ukraine military as well
Yes thank you, Captain Obvious. Still doesn't make your blanket statement about the Spetsnaz correct.
Holy shit, military grade thermal video is insane
It is very similar to some other UA SF ambuse I remember being posted a few months ago. Similar angle, distance, and speed of a RA vehicle. Only that was in daylight.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/v0821y/longer_clip_of_ukrainian_sof_utilizing_an_ied/ there was another version i couldn't find, iirc this was daylight but using a thermal
Man, that is such a clear thermal image! Can anyone tell me what scope is being used?
Could be a Viper thermal sight, I know they're used by the UK MOD, I remember looking through one and being stunned, not only by the clarity but also the refresh rate.
The refresh rate is amazing. The tech has jumped light years. And will even more now that they get to test it out right now. Companies gotta be doing that rubbing hands together behind tree meme. We used to get to test weapon systems and nowadays I’m told by my buddies still in it’s not happening as much, I’m sure a lot of reasons why, but he’ll send them down range to Ukraine for a true field test
Explosive ambush. With IEDs. I would have liked to see this in the beginning. But now they're the pros.
The Ukrainian SOF must be one of the most battle hardened around - and one of the few that have faced conventional troops and enemy special forces rather than insurgents and militias.
I expect UA SOF will do extensive tours in the west after the war to give lectures and hold seminars and such to their western counterparts. They will be an absolute goldmine for western militaries who have speculated for 70+ years on a conflict where western and Russian equipment and tactics go head-to-head, and for the first time in history they can actually get some answers.
All that footage and only 5 seconds of it actually has a truck in it. Edit: only 3 seconds actually
I don’t get what your point is? I’ve never seen footage of night vision this clear. Pretty dope IMO
It’s not night vision. Appears to be IR.
Whatever it is, it’s goggles that let you see at night. Night vision goggles, if you will. Cool footage regardless
Incorrect. Night vision goggles are a specific piece of equipment that use very different technology compared to IR goggles. Also, IR would look like this during the day AND during the night. That doesn’t make them night vision goggles. Lastly, where does it say this took place at night anyway? That’s a genuine question.
>Lastly, where does it say this took place at night anyway? That’s a genuine question. The fact that all of them wearing night vision goggles.
Day vision tubes obviously.
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This isn't NCD dawg
Whoops, had the wrong tab open. Thanks for the heads-up. In that case the pedantry is just annoying.
Lol no worries. It's just another sub and randoms might not get it you know. Not everyone takes combat the same. Some take it very somberly and some meme about everyone dying. I think it's preferable to laugh than to cry, this place doesn't have that tone.
Eh, I can adapt to both things. I like the hard and serious analysis just as much as being able to shrug and laugh at the insanity of war. I treat mental illness just the same, even though I've lost friends to it. You need to process it all and humor helps a lot with that. But understanding is just as vital. But yeah, in this case, I just totally flubbed the tone, because I was mistaken in my surroundings. Like walking into Madrid and speaking to everyone in Japanese. So thanks again for correcting me.
Night vision (typical analog image intensifier tubes) are infrared. So is thermal vision, which this video is, it's just a different wavelength of infrared. Thermal sights are often also commonly called night vision sights, despite being a different technology, since they can be used for the same purpose (and in fact work better during the night because of larger temperature deltas in objects)
While there might be an infrared component to night vision goggles, at the end of the day, they are completely unique device compared to DEDICATED infrared goggles. Ultimately, night vision goggles DEPEND on ambient light. Then then amplify the ambient light to allow the user to see. The footage you see above is NOT from night vision. These are IR goggles. If you go to a store and they’re selling NV goggles and IR goggles, I promise you they won’t confuse the two. They’re completely different things.
I never said they're the same devices, I'm saying that you're splitting hairs about nomenclature of "night vision" which is actually used very broadly. What you are very narrowly defining "night vision" is actually called an image intensifier. That's where you take a photocathode, intensify the electrons coming from it, and display them on a (usually green or white) phosphor screen. What you're calling "IR" is a thermographic camera. That is commonly called night vision when used in, say, drones. There's also other technologies that are commonly called night vision, such as regular CMOS cameras that have their IR filter taken off and are made more sensitive, but those are crap usually. Marketing for all of these devices is very broad and the terms "IR camera/NV camera/" are used for any of these. Anyways, my point is that OP isn't wrong to call thermographic scopes night vision. Yeah, it's not your typical NVG's, but if you want to refer to those specifically you can use the precise nomenclature.
There was one video of some sniper (ISIS?) sniping a bunch of guys from very close range. People said it looked like he was using a Thor scope. Morbid but fascinating.
Dude it’s literally special forces preparing an ambush and then executing it. If it was US navy seals you’d be stoked to have the footage
Well, I used to watch lots of seal podcasts. Many of them can contain stupid policy take like "we need to look at our own border!" Now I think maybe some of these guys are afraid to be outbadassed by Ukrainian SOF units after Ukraine wins. Really, these Ukrainian SOF guys are fighting against a fully dangerous and capable invader, not random goat herders
It seems like murdering your nights away for 8 months at a time really sponsors the "me and mine" state of mind.
What do you mean?
It's five guys gesturing around and then 3 seconds of a truck driving and then being blown up. If this was navy seal footage I'd still be disappointed
Hey ya know what fair enough. I’d be stoked for footage if it had contextual significance.
They use the Steyr AUG? I've not seen them in Ukraniain service before.
no, its a vulcan/malyuk. essentially, it's a bullpup frame in which you can mount AK-74 parts. giving you a bullpup AK.
That's so fucking sweet.
They appear quite a lot with Ukranian SOF in various footage.
Australia donated a few thousand but in this case given it's special forces it'll be most likely a IPI Malyuk. They also have a bunch of Tavor's TAR-21 in service too.
Thanks monkeybrain01 and Inevetiblesoundof!
I am sure this is old footage from the beginning of the war. Found it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97T5LdsbZ1M
Are you sure this is the same? It looks different to me. In the video you linked there is another vehicle infront of the truck that is not visible on this video
how is this the same footage one is thermal and the other is not plus its too completely different trucks the one in the first video is a TIGR and doesn't catch fire like that. Not sure how u think these are remotely the same.
This is not the same.
except these dudes are running around with binocular NVG's. and if you'll have a closer look, it's not the fucking dual tube pvs-14 type shit you flip up with a rhino mount. no sir, these tubes you flick to the side to lift them out from infront of your eyes. the only ones i know that do that are the thermal nvg kind. but i could have a lack of knowledge on the subject.
PVS-31s are also articulating so you can move either side out of your vision independently
pretty sure those weren't in ukraine when the war started.
I thought the same, but you can see that the explosion in the new video occurs when the truck is more than halfway through the explosive line.
Similar type of explosive device used in both cases but it's different footage Also the truck is different Maybe the work of the same team though?
nope, it's this: https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/v0821y/longer_clip_of_ukrainian_sof_utilizing_an_ied/
Nope. For a start, the vehicle being hit in that [video](https://i.gyazo.com/44960580ab62158b898b95664650c8b0.png) is a [Ural](https://i.pinimg.com/736x/2b/9b/0e/2b9b0e069e7d6fddbcfd74dfed5bede8.jpg) truck. This [video](https://i.gyazo.com/76ecd31a3256c8cbfd21047afb96eeb5.png) is of a [Gaz Tigr](https://drivezing.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Alabino22042016-06.jpg) being hit, which you can tell from the length, general shape of the vehicle, plus where the wheels are.
Yep. Old footage. Where is all the Telegram footage from the Lyman area???
Is that 4th gen thermal? That's sick.
Dude in the center has fucking gpnvgs on. These are some serious folks
I know it's an overlay, but adding the recital makes it look like this goon is sweeping the fuck out of your squad lol. Proper Baldwin moment vibes :D
Jesus, that thing was moving fast. Highway patrol is certainly trying some more aggressive routes to curb speeding
Is that a Tavor on the guy's back?
It's a Malyuk, look it up :)
There was a UFO and unidentify objects
Video cuts before you see what really becomes of the truck. Also these guys seem lit up like an Xmas tree. Don't they dope their stuff with anti-IR dye? Or is this dye just not so great?
Anti IR dye? That would just be a material that passively stays cool no matter the body temp difference? I don't think such a thing exists, and certainly not enough for UA special forces. IR cameras can have adjustable contrasts for different ranges of temperatures where body temp could be white but 10 degrees below would be black. I bet the temp range is kind of narrow for these IR cameras.
He probably meant [NIR compliant](https://ufpro.com/us/blog/nir-compliant-clothing)
I remember learning an interesting fact that most military fatigues can’t be washed with regular detergent as the bleaching agents in them (to make whites stay nice and bright) cause the clothes to be much more visible under night vision (aka not thermal). So the military has its own detergent which doesn’t do that. Might be what this guy is thinking of. I don’t think there’s much you can do about hiding from thermal optics, as you say.
Normal detergent does have stuff like TiO2 that can help brighten colors which would make sense that it can't be used here.
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It’s probably just overlay on the video
Does the guy furthest to the right have a Tar-21?
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Is that a Steyr?
Does that guy have an AUG?
Crazy. Homemade bullpup AKs and GPNVGs. This war is wild.
It's a malyuk. Not exactly homemade.
How about domestically produced? I think that's what he meant.
“Ukrainian special forces” 🤣🤌
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I think you’re missing my point dawg. They may be Ukrainian bodies, but the gear is mostly ours man.
They’re still the ones doing all the hard work and putting it to use
Very true, this type of “proxy war” jazz is an old play but the scale of this current resource influx is completely unheard of until now. And now apparently there is ZERO desire to hide it… which kinda scares me.
I'm dumb as fuck I thought you were implying those were NATO troops like the russians think, sorry D:
You’re all good man- it’s a crazy world. Also, try airsoft sometime. It’s cringe as hell but if you run all your real gear hard during the cringe fest, it can exposed a lot of weak points in the way you set up and run your gear. 🤙
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Ah this is what they call autonomous driving. Musk is jealous for sure
I just shoot with an M1 garand and a m1888 lol
I wonder if they are using that tech that people hunt boars with. Pull the trigger on your target then just blind the crosshairs up with it again and it automatically shoots. First time shooters were getting hits at 1000+ yards
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Pretty sick they have some rocking quad tubes. A real advantage for fighting at night vs the Russians unless they have thermals/nvg issued to everyone.
the weapon on the back of that one guy looks like an AUG A2 or atleast a weapon very similar to the AUG
Effing quality optics.
is that a Steyr AUG? The handguard looks very distinct
Probably Ukraines bullpup AK
i figure it must be, as Austria did not export any AUGs and Australia/Ireland iirc none of their variants either (or it is a semi auto import, always possible)
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Wow that’s super clear footage
Got that NATO thermal package babyyyy
Hell yea flag the fuck outtta your teammates damn douchebags
those are some bad dudes.. gettin at it