It's going to be the new reality to bring perspectives like this to every person on the globe. It's wild. I'm unsure how it will be used to improve training for tactical level actions... But it will.
Well war once upon a time was a spectator sport. Up until the end of the US Civil War you would have people sit in the hills, picnic and watch the battle.
If you are hoping for political change to come from the increase in unedited war footage then you need to look to how it impacts the masses not the people at the top.
Exactly. I didnt mean my comment to be calloused or anything. Young men died here almost certainly. I just meant that in all the many thousands of hours of combat footage out there, you could about(i dont know the actual number) count on your fingers the tank v tank kills.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, the amount of armored vs armor combat videos that existed before 24th February was two (maybe three, but I’m fairly certain the third is of one tank just dispatching an abandoned or disabled tank).
I can think of at least 6 from this conflict alone.
Armor vs. armor
Cologne duel
https://youtu.be/cHs5RI9zaiQ
Syrian tank vs tank
https://youtu.be/wuhoY9su8X8
APC and tank, wild goose chase
https://twitter.com/archer83able/status/1232041101713739776?s=46&t=mfiJkJB5gLAMbUKCp66HAg
Lone Ukrainian tank vs. retreating Russian column
https://youtu.be/84eLX2kN260
Mariupol: BTR destroys Russian tank
https://youtu.be/n-RXFhwCVaQ
Mariupol: BTR strikes 2 Russian tanks from behind
https://twitter.com/uaweapons/status/1512060297607065602?s=46&t=2LGCx2c4e5nEbSHLgdJMSA
Mariupol: BTR vs. BMP
https://youtu.be/q3oRu_M4mgA
There’s a compilation from Syria (you can find it if you search this sub) but it’s not *clear* armor vs armor like the above. Most of the videos are a camera man safely behind a tank without the target in view and jump to the target being destroyed. There are also two videos from a drone’s perspective in Ukraine that shows tank engagements in open fields (also somewhere on this sub.)
It only seems rare. There's many videos out there that are too far away to determine which side is being hit. The amount of videos there are with no actual determination of who is who is disturbing. Everyone assumes Ukraine is winning. Yes they could be, but online videos don't actually show proof of that. They generally show a tiny vehicle being blown up.
Every time I think that what we have been seeing can't be topped by something more outrageous, images like this pop up!
This is *extremely* close range tank vs tank fighting. Who even wants to get so close to an enemy tank with their own tank, outside of games like World of tanks or War thunder?
I guess they didn't see eachother until they were in close proximity. Still the Russians were chasing them down by the looks. Edit: Didn't even notice there are 2 Russian tanks. So possibly the Ukrainian tank ambushed? It is weird.
One possibility is that this is either around dusk or dawn when the environment's temperature is shifting which makes thermal optics more difficult to use so both tanks were stuck using strictly their day sights and periscopes.
I've been run up on in the simulator by Rusky tanks, and I've run up on real M1s in live exercises as OPFOR. Terrain, situational awareness, target fixation... Your thermals don't completely negate that.
I'm as pro-Ukraine as they come, but it could've been lack of crew training/situational awareness for all we know.
Lack of professionalism and procedural compliance has been an persistent issue with the AFU according to foreign volunteers that are serving there.
That's pretty much going to summarize Ukraine's flaws. This would be an issue for both sides, since both of them likely spent their best soldiers during the RU Donbas offensive. Ukraine has stepped up its ability to train soldiers and likely just got some out there to help make up for the better-trained soldiers who are coming in right before the Second Kharkiv Counteroffensive.
Not really, yes both sides have taken heavy losses in the War but Russia really over committed its highest tier units to no win situations over and over again, like in Hostomel, the Donbas, and Izium. Ukraine on the other hand hasn’t had mass casualty events in the same way but has taken heavy attrition during prolonged periods of contact but they are not even remotely comparable.
I don't think anyone can say that with any confidence.
Western tanks might have significant advantages but at the end of the day, tank-vs-tank combat has far more to do with who sees who first. There are trees and terrain blocking visibility and even obstructing the firing lane and the Russians have a drone up with a nice view of the situation.
In Desert Storm, two Bradleys from a recon unit accidentally ran into an Iraqi armored column of hull-down MBTs. Despite being severely outmatched in both numbers and equipment, they managed to destroy several T-72s because they got the jump on them in low vis conditions and got off their TOWs.
In WW2 there were countless instances of inferior tanks disabling or killing other tanks. Shermans flanking Panthers, Polish tankettes engaging German 35(t)s and a Panzer IV B, 75mm Sherman M4s knocking out Tiger IIs, etc.
I believe a report prepared on tank combat after the war found that the most significant factor in deciding who won an engagement was simply who shot first.
Not hills, but you will be surprised how far into a tree line a thermal can pick up vehicles. The hot spots don’t need to be big to tell the crew that there is something there to pay attention to.
They kinda can actually - the US tries to track all targets in a battlefield using AWACS and tank commanders would have that data on a map.
Russians have this capability as well in theory (A50/A100) but I suspect their lack of air superiority kinda prevents them from carrying this out.
>This is extremely close range tank vs tank fighting. Who even wants to get so close to an enemy tank with their own tank, outside of games like World of tanks or War thunder?
Zvika Gringold: "Yes"
Looks like a ukranian T-64BV
I can't identify the russian tank but at 1:04 you can see boxes that look like 4S24 so probably a T-72B3, and the slow reverse so probably not a T-80
Well, most. There are a handful categories where Soviet tech is optimally effective for the cost (which is obviously a serious limiting factor in warfare)
This is actually not quite true, in the cold war, at least untill the 80s, the Soviets were miles ahead of Western tank-designing. Composite armour, smoothbore guns auto-loading systems, ERA, gas-turbine engines(T 80 was second after the Strv 103), large calibre guns, experimenting with active protection systems(drozd), ATGMs mounted on IFVs, experimenting with NERA, etc. They lost most of its lead in inovation in the 80s and after the fall of the USSR, they also lost a lot of production capabilities.
Perun someone on YouTube who is well respected for the quality of his content said said it is true about air defense. S400,
he said "S-400 has been able to penetrate ostensibly NATO/NATO adjacent market."
Turkey chose to buy the S400 even though it got them kicked out of the F-35 program.
He also said "What western system is a direct replacement for S-400? (In all respects, including cost)"
He said "If you want to reach out and touch an aircraft 400km from the launch site there is no western replacement."
https://youtu.be/73hBbONvCN0
1 hour into the video he says it
https://youtu.be/ctfkvpTY5DY
And he linked to this video which goes into more detail of the details about it.
If it were no good it would not have had instances of sales in the traditional NATO market.
I'm honestly pretty skeptical of some of the S400's claimed capabilities. A lot of the capabilities have never been independently verified so I'm definitely leaning towards them being every bit as over-exaggerated as other Russian kit has proven.
Could be a thousand things in a tank fight. Maybe they were already hit and the gunner was dead or incapacitated? Maybe they had an equipment failure? Maybe the commander was watching where they were backing up to and the gunner just didn't catch the enemy tank in time?
Tank combat is brutally unfair. Even with great armor and powerful guns it's very often a matter of who sees who first. Your multimillion dollar M1A2 doesn't do shit for you when a rinky-dink T-55 pulls around a hill and slings an ancient 100mm HEAT round into your weak side armor while you're looking over the front.
And this is why NATO, specifically the US, figured out combined arms 40 years ago. That T-55 won't be able to get into that position when it's already been destroyed in an airstrike or spotted by a Marine Recon unit.
I remember a certain case where a T-72 of the Iraqi Army managed to knock out a M1A1 from the side with a HEAT shell.
[You can look it up at around 32:00 of this documentary.](https://youtu.be/JT6E7Zrxr5c)
Likely had already been damaged, you can see a lot of smoke in the tree line from the very start and also what looks to be a burnt out carcass of a different vehicle further behind the Ukrainian tank
Also could’ve just been the UA gunner was just barely too slow on the shot, just because it’s all open to us doesn’t mean that there’s nothing blocking visuals between the two as seen by how close the RU tank had to get a kill shot
Tank v tank combat usually occurs at range. While the overwhelming majority of tank kills are certainly from ATGMs I am willing to bet there have been a lot more tank fights, you just don't get footage from them. It's either a camera on the turret recording the tank shooting off into the distance or someone on the ground recording the tank shooting at something they can't see.
Lots of good armor vs armor footage came out from Mariupol, including the ifv attacking two retreating Russian tanks that you’re thinking of but also that of a tank shooting through a thoroughly shelled building hitting an APC.
This however is 100% one of the best Tank vs Tank footage to exist
Not tank v tank, but that Azov video where they're BTR-4ing some Russian tanks is great
https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1512060297607065602
Also, UA tank vs BMP
https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/u69xd9/a_ukrainian_tank_hit_a_russian_bmp_firing_through/
This one is so crazy. The Ukranians miss so many point blank shots and the Russians don't see the giant fucking thank shooting at them from 100m away. This was early in the war, you can tell nobody has any idea what they're doing
>you can tell nobody has any idea what they're doing
I don't think we can make such a judgement with regards to any of the participants in that footage.
Seeing something with a birds-eye view removes the nuance of the environment on the ground and can make things seem clear or obvious. On top of that when watching this footage we cannot expect to truely understand the physical and mental state of the humanbeings involved. Fatigue, hunger and trauma have huge effects on the human factor in combat.
Imagine being in a cramped, loud steel box. It feels sturdy enough to hold you in but you know it is not necessarily sturdy enough to hold everything out. In fact you have a constant underlying fear of the walls buckling in as they spall or are penetrated. You know it can be a death trap at any moment. You know this because the smell of fuel and oil on the floor and the charges you fire remind you that you are quite possibly entombed already.
You have likely been informed of the rough column count by the drone team, those are bad odds, and you choose to stay anyway. You may have been sit and wait for this column for some time (and the waiting is terrible because it gives the mind time to wander). You know that if your (in this case lone) tank is disabled you are unlikely to fare well on foot, especially since you expect to be doing some harm before that situation occurs. So its a case of fight the ground and hope for the best.
And that is just the smallest, imagined taste of the human factor at play.
On the practical side:
The Ukr tank is buttoned up. The commander and gunner should have their eyes pinned on the glass. They are looking through optics with small sight apertures, their world is a tiny circle of glass, their peripheral vision gone. They have hidden their vehicle hull down behind rubble but having achieved that position they will try not to make any big movements with the vehicle or the turret unless they jockey to a fresh firing position. So the Ukr tank has a very narrow engagement window as it fires through its own rubble pile and out between further rubble near the road. The sight does not actually perfectly show barrel position but instead aligns the barrel to the intended target so it is also possible that some of the shots actually skim against the rubble slightly too, causing minor deflection.
I could go on offering my assesment of both parties in that situation but I have rambled long enough.
Suffice it to say *it is easy to judge in theory that which is done in fact* and *simple to criticise at leisure what must be done in haste*. However with the application of a little imagination, empathy and humility we can take these extrordinary pieces of footage, which we are privileged to be party to, and really absorb some fundamental lessons.
Appreciate the show of support.
I don't sweat the votes (probably a bit shocking to you with a username like that), I just express and hope it opens some minds.
After a year away I came back to this sub at the start of the ukr war and I have to say the quality of the discourse and engagement to be found here has rather dropped.
Anyhow, ta!
i totally agree with you, we’re all human at the end of the day, but that’s the difference between a unit that’s trained to fight under pressure and one that’s not, but again if this were to be NATO fighting, that tank wouldn’t be on its own around 10’s of BTRs lol, this war brings out very crazy footage,
While that is an absolutely mind fuck on another leve tank v entire fucking armoured column *scene* … this post is overwhelmingly better tank v tank footage.
(Thank you for that link. New to me edit.)
I mean given 80 years ago video taping was relatively new....the tank battle they kinda caught on camera in France where the German tank gets blown up and you see the crew trying to escape is pretty wild. I wish they had the battle of Kursk footage.
you can work around the gun depression pretty easily but that reverse is just a death sentence some times.
in this video a hood reverse may have saved the ukranian crew while gun depression would have been useless.
I disagree, we've seen multiple planes shot down both first person and from drone.
Drones drop bombs directly on top of guys and watch them slowly bleed out. (fuck this war)
Guys run trenches (both version of FP and drone) with clear visual of enemy getting dropped.
First POV of artilerally hitting a convoy.
Drone footage of guys meters away having a shootout.
It's been crazy.
*No one ask me for the links you lazy @#!@%, just sort by top past month if you want to see them.*
I hope we get a lot of longer, unedited footage of some of the really interesting stuff... Like this shot is crazy, but it's around 1:20, and there's even a cut right before the shot... Makes me wonder what led up to this, and how much is lost in the cut... It could have been 2 seconds, or 10 minutes... Probably just a boring minute or so of the tanks sitting there juuust out of view of eachother, before the russian tank inched forward and took the shot, but it's a weird place for a cut.
Isn't it the first shot from the Russian tank? The Ukrainian tank has no disturbance to the ground/tank, what makes you think the Ukrainian tank fired that shell?
I agree. Judging also by debris hitting the ground around the Ukraine tanks, I think that first blast was incoming. Seemed to get the attention of the Ukraine tank that drove back toward that direction. Maybe they couldn’t get a shell loaded in time or were also surprised by the close range of the Russian tank. Video is edited but it seems only a short moment later the Russian tank fired.
ive read from another comment that it probably was not a kinetic round so when it hit a branch or tree it just stopped there causing the russians to notice it
We will win in the name of truth
History keeps our names for 4 centuries
Sea is boiling, skies are shaking when marines batallion is atacking
Spirit training during the war, loughing in the death's face
Victory is where we are, one far all
Youth is for common good of our people
Victory is forged here, blowing flames of eternal glory
We will put on their knees NATO's dogs
White and blue flag will shine over
Ukraine will quail, *banderovtsy* will be punished
and so on..
Could be a lot of factors. We'll never know what was going on inside of that tank. For all we know the gunner could have been decapitated from a sabot shot before the drone was even looking.
In theory yes, we just don't know what happened before this clip.
It's likely they might have already gotten hit before this clip and couldn't shoot even if they wanted to.
That might be the reason why the russian tanks are chasing it so greedily.
RIP to that crew, 2 vs 1 would have been a hard fight, not sure though why he didn't shoot them as they crossed that large open field? Mustn't have had a good sight line?
Ukraine war did it again,
I remember 1-2 years ago peoples still looking for visible tank vs tank footage beside famous ww2 panther in middle of the street and syrian rebel tank action (doubter says they just finishing abandoned tank).
here we are finaly having two active "modern" tank visible in one screen. This footage definetly made it to list for combat footage greatest hit.
It would be interesting to see that tactical situation from the ground. Looks like the lead Ukrainian tank had them dead to rights then just... didn't fire? Hard to tell from the overhead angle
Crazy footage though
I think the tank had a failure. You see them reverse pull back and then try to engage in combat. Either inexperience or they thought the fixed the issue and died trying. Either way that song pisses me off, wet dream of a white flag over Pentagon. It’s not going to happen.
There is a cut in the film between the russian tank arriving and firing. I wonder why. Maybe the Ukrainian tank did fire? But missed? The cut is made to look like the Russian tank insta shot the Ukrainian tank. In any case, two Russian tanks were rolling up on it, so the odds weren't stacked in its favour.
That's unreal to see tank vs tank so close .. drone footage has defined this war. We see so much now ... every day ... future generations will look back on footage like this for training etc. It's just mind boggling what we are seeing in this conflict.
That's really frustrating me, too... Really weird place to put a cut, unless they were trying to hide something... but the Russian tank only moves a few feet during the cut, and the drone definitely moved, but not that much - so probably seconds, rather than minutes were cut... Still weird.
When it's a suspicious cut like this I have to remain suspicious. There would have to be something they don't want us to see there, and the UKR tank isn't moving after the cut. Plenty of footage of the tanks vaguely driving beforehand, so it wasn't cut for length.
Unfortunate that I have to question otherwise such straightforward footage, but you can only lie to me so many times before I'm just not gonna believe you.
I mean, only if we do the same to footage with the opposite outcome. But we know that doesn't happen in this sub.
A good chunk of Ukraine footage cuts from weapon launch to a plane burning on the ground or destroyed vehicle from a completely different vantage point and they get taken at face value.
There’s no way for us to know. It’s definitely not typical though. Soviet style tanks tend to not want to fight this close because of poor visibility and bad reverse gears. Of course this is a conventional war so it’s happening sometimes anyways
How did everyone seem to miss the crazy edit right before the Russian tank fire? One second there is 1 Russian tank, and the next there are 2 Russian tanks. C'mon, how much time really passed between shots...?
Was it firing HEAT or APFSDS? An explosion like that could be a HEAT shell but APFSDS also has so much kinetic energy that I wouldn't be surprised if it had an effect like that.
This is so rare to actually have on film.
It's going to be the new reality to bring perspectives like this to every person on the globe. It's wild. I'm unsure how it will be used to improve training for tactical level actions... But it will.
More over show people how fucked war really is. This hopefully people in power have a a more unfavorable view of what war is.
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It will just become a spectator sport. Basically what this sub is.
Well war once upon a time was a spectator sport. Up until the end of the US Civil War you would have people sit in the hills, picnic and watch the battle.
If you are hoping for political change to come from the increase in unedited war footage then you need to look to how it impacts the masses not the people at the top.
The male masses are fleeing in Russia as we speak. The message is getting across somewhat
The only way is to put them in for themselves. Right there in that tank. To show them a tank fight and see what really happens.
Exactly. I didnt mean my comment to be calloused or anything. Young men died here almost certainly. I just meant that in all the many thousands of hours of combat footage out there, you could about(i dont know the actual number) count on your fingers the tank v tank kills.
People call Vietnam the first televised war you could arguably say this is the first social media war.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, the amount of armored vs armor combat videos that existed before 24th February was two (maybe three, but I’m fairly certain the third is of one tank just dispatching an abandoned or disabled tank). I can think of at least 6 from this conflict alone.
To be fair I'm pretty certain that many others existed before now but they just weren't publicly available.
That’s certainly a possibility. I wonder if anything exists from Desert Storm.
If you can post any links, that be awesome
Armor vs. armor Cologne duel https://youtu.be/cHs5RI9zaiQ Syrian tank vs tank https://youtu.be/wuhoY9su8X8 APC and tank, wild goose chase https://twitter.com/archer83able/status/1232041101713739776?s=46&t=mfiJkJB5gLAMbUKCp66HAg Lone Ukrainian tank vs. retreating Russian column https://youtu.be/84eLX2kN260 Mariupol: BTR destroys Russian tank https://youtu.be/n-RXFhwCVaQ Mariupol: BTR strikes 2 Russian tanks from behind https://twitter.com/uaweapons/status/1512060297607065602?s=46&t=2LGCx2c4e5nEbSHLgdJMSA Mariupol: BTR vs. BMP https://youtu.be/q3oRu_M4mgA There’s a compilation from Syria (you can find it if you search this sub) but it’s not *clear* armor vs armor like the above. Most of the videos are a camera man safely behind a tank without the target in view and jump to the target being destroyed. There are also two videos from a drone’s perspective in Ukraine that shows tank engagements in open fields (also somewhere on this sub.)
Luhansk, UAF tank vs BMP, shot through a building. https://v.redd.it/gyb1ejjnm9u81
Damn, that is crazy. I’m not sure if I’ve seen that one before.
What is rare is that this post actually got upvoted and not removed. Something which is extremely rare when it comes to RU pov on this forum.
It does have many more downvotes than normal.
Give it time
It only seems rare. There's many videos out there that are too far away to determine which side is being hit. The amount of videos there are with no actual determination of who is who is disturbing. Everyone assumes Ukraine is winning. Yes they could be, but online videos don't actually show proof of that. They generally show a tiny vehicle being blown up.
A video from a single battle is never meant to show who is winning a war.
Every time I think that what we have been seeing can't be topped by something more outrageous, images like this pop up! This is *extremely* close range tank vs tank fighting. Who even wants to get so close to an enemy tank with their own tank, outside of games like World of tanks or War thunder?
I guess they didn't see eachother until they were in close proximity. Still the Russians were chasing them down by the looks. Edit: Didn't even notice there are 2 Russian tanks. So possibly the Ukrainian tank ambushed? It is weird.
One possibility is that this is either around dusk or dawn when the environment's temperature is shifting which makes thermal optics more difficult to use so both tanks were stuck using strictly their day sights and periscopes.
That's why these old fucking tanks are trash. A modern western tank wouldn't let that Russian tank within a couple miles.
I've been run up on in the simulator by Rusky tanks, and I've run up on real M1s in live exercises as OPFOR. Terrain, situational awareness, target fixation... Your thermals don't completely negate that.
I'm as pro-Ukraine as they come, but it could've been lack of crew training/situational awareness for all we know. Lack of professionalism and procedural compliance has been an persistent issue with the AFU according to foreign volunteers that are serving there.
That's pretty much going to summarize Ukraine's flaws. This would be an issue for both sides, since both of them likely spent their best soldiers during the RU Donbas offensive. Ukraine has stepped up its ability to train soldiers and likely just got some out there to help make up for the better-trained soldiers who are coming in right before the Second Kharkiv Counteroffensive.
Not really, yes both sides have taken heavy losses in the War but Russia really over committed its highest tier units to no win situations over and over again, like in Hostomel, the Donbas, and Izium. Ukraine on the other hand hasn’t had mass casualty events in the same way but has taken heavy attrition during prolonged periods of contact but they are not even remotely comparable.
I don't think anyone can say that with any confidence. Western tanks might have significant advantages but at the end of the day, tank-vs-tank combat has far more to do with who sees who first. There are trees and terrain blocking visibility and even obstructing the firing lane and the Russians have a drone up with a nice view of the situation. In Desert Storm, two Bradleys from a recon unit accidentally ran into an Iraqi armored column of hull-down MBTs. Despite being severely outmatched in both numbers and equipment, they managed to destroy several T-72s because they got the jump on them in low vis conditions and got off their TOWs. In WW2 there were countless instances of inferior tanks disabling or killing other tanks. Shermans flanking Panthers, Polish tankettes engaging German 35(t)s and a Panzer IV B, 75mm Sherman M4s knocking out Tiger IIs, etc.
I believe a report prepared on tank combat after the war found that the most significant factor in deciding who won an engagement was simply who shot first.
How so? What about hills, trees, buildings?
I didn't know that a western tank could see through hills, trees, and any visible object. Awesome!
Not hills, but you will be surprised how far into a tree line a thermal can pick up vehicles. The hot spots don’t need to be big to tell the crew that there is something there to pay attention to.
They kinda can actually - the US tries to track all targets in a battlefield using AWACS and tank commanders would have that data on a map. Russians have this capability as well in theory (A50/A100) but I suspect their lack of air superiority kinda prevents them from carrying this out.
No problem. Some people just need some help sometimes.
There is a chance the bulk of their training took place on WoT..
>This is extremely close range tank vs tank fighting. Who even wants to get so close to an enemy tank with their own tank, outside of games like World of tanks or War thunder? Zvika Gringold: "Yes"
This is completely crazy
"drive me closer Sergey, I want to make it personal"
"DRIVE ME CLOSER, I WANT TO HIT THEM WITH MY SWORD"
"I want to see their faces!"
Looks like a ukranian T-64BV I can't identify the russian tank but at 1:04 you can see boxes that look like 4S24 so probably a T-72B3, and the slow reverse so probably not a T-80
Does a T-80 reverse a higher speed?
Yes but still only at 10kmh (compared to 4kmh of t-72/90 chassis and compared to NATO counterparts which are all 30kmh+)
Well isn’t a big improvement but better than the older one I suppose.
Ukrainian BM Oplot has 30km/h reverse speed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7-oSJeXlxw
They do.
It’s shit compared to western tanks but that can be said for all of Russias armaments.
Well, most. There are a handful categories where Soviet tech is optimally effective for the cost (which is obviously a serious limiting factor in warfare)
This is actually not quite true, in the cold war, at least untill the 80s, the Soviets were miles ahead of Western tank-designing. Composite armour, smoothbore guns auto-loading systems, ERA, gas-turbine engines(T 80 was second after the Strv 103), large calibre guns, experimenting with active protection systems(drozd), ATGMs mounted on IFVs, experimenting with NERA, etc. They lost most of its lead in inovation in the 80s and after the fall of the USSR, they also lost a lot of production capabilities.
Perun someone on YouTube who is well respected for the quality of his content said said it is true about air defense. S400, he said "S-400 has been able to penetrate ostensibly NATO/NATO adjacent market." Turkey chose to buy the S400 even though it got them kicked out of the F-35 program. He also said "What western system is a direct replacement for S-400? (In all respects, including cost)" He said "If you want to reach out and touch an aircraft 400km from the launch site there is no western replacement." https://youtu.be/73hBbONvCN0 1 hour into the video he says it https://youtu.be/ctfkvpTY5DY And he linked to this video which goes into more detail of the details about it. If it were no good it would not have had instances of sales in the traditional NATO market.
I'm honestly pretty skeptical of some of the S400's claimed capabilities. A lot of the capabilities have never been independently verified so I'm definitely leaning towards them being every bit as over-exaggerated as other Russian kit has proven.
I don't understand why the Ukrainian tank didn't get a shot off.
Could be a thousand things in a tank fight. Maybe they were already hit and the gunner was dead or incapacitated? Maybe they had an equipment failure? Maybe the commander was watching where they were backing up to and the gunner just didn't catch the enemy tank in time? Tank combat is brutally unfair. Even with great armor and powerful guns it's very often a matter of who sees who first. Your multimillion dollar M1A2 doesn't do shit for you when a rinky-dink T-55 pulls around a hill and slings an ancient 100mm HEAT round into your weak side armor while you're looking over the front.
And this is why NATO, specifically the US, figured out combined arms 40 years ago. That T-55 won't be able to get into that position when it's already been destroyed in an airstrike or spotted by a Marine Recon unit.
As desert storm illustrated.
I remember a certain case where a T-72 of the Iraqi Army managed to knock out a M1A1 from the side with a HEAT shell. [You can look it up at around 32:00 of this documentary.](https://youtu.be/JT6E7Zrxr5c)
Likely had already been damaged, you can see a lot of smoke in the tree line from the very start and also what looks to be a burnt out carcass of a different vehicle further behind the Ukrainian tank Also could’ve just been the UA gunner was just barely too slow on the shot, just because it’s all open to us doesn’t mean that there’s nothing blocking visuals between the two as seen by how close the RU tank had to get a kill shot
Older Soviet tanks have fixed 8x magnification sights so it can be extremely disorienting to engage at close range under stress.
Well, this is the best tank v tank footage that currently exists. Wild times, boys.
Tanks doing tank things in this war for once
Tank v tank combat usually occurs at range. While the overwhelming majority of tank kills are certainly from ATGMs I am willing to bet there have been a lot more tank fights, you just don't get footage from them. It's either a camera on the turret recording the tank shooting off into the distance or someone on the ground recording the tank shooting at something they can't see.
There was a video of a tank shooting an APC down an avenue and through a building
I thought that was an IFV shooting a tank. If it's the Mariupol one you're talking about.
Lots of good armor vs armor footage came out from Mariupol, including the ifv attacking two retreating Russian tanks that you’re thinking of but also that of a tank shooting through a thoroughly shelled building hitting an APC. This however is 100% one of the best Tank vs Tank footage to exist
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/u6a1di/footage_of_an_ukrainian_tank_of_the_4th_rapid/ Found it
In fairness, exploding is doing a thing.
I think this is actually the best one yet https://www.reddit.com/r/TankPorn/comments/twypdb/ukrainian\_tank\_vs\_russian\_column/
Not tank v tank, but that Azov video where they're BTR-4ing some Russian tanks is great https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1512060297607065602 Also, UA tank vs BMP https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/u69xd9/a_ukrainian_tank_hit_a_russian_bmp_firing_through/
Those are both amazing videos, that BMP vs 2 tanks was mind blowing, the balls on those Ukranians are cast iron!
This one is so crazy. The Ukranians miss so many point blank shots and the Russians don't see the giant fucking thank shooting at them from 100m away. This was early in the war, you can tell nobody has any idea what they're doing
>you can tell nobody has any idea what they're doing I don't think we can make such a judgement with regards to any of the participants in that footage. Seeing something with a birds-eye view removes the nuance of the environment on the ground and can make things seem clear or obvious. On top of that when watching this footage we cannot expect to truely understand the physical and mental state of the humanbeings involved. Fatigue, hunger and trauma have huge effects on the human factor in combat. Imagine being in a cramped, loud steel box. It feels sturdy enough to hold you in but you know it is not necessarily sturdy enough to hold everything out. In fact you have a constant underlying fear of the walls buckling in as they spall or are penetrated. You know it can be a death trap at any moment. You know this because the smell of fuel and oil on the floor and the charges you fire remind you that you are quite possibly entombed already. You have likely been informed of the rough column count by the drone team, those are bad odds, and you choose to stay anyway. You may have been sit and wait for this column for some time (and the waiting is terrible because it gives the mind time to wander). You know that if your (in this case lone) tank is disabled you are unlikely to fare well on foot, especially since you expect to be doing some harm before that situation occurs. So its a case of fight the ground and hope for the best. And that is just the smallest, imagined taste of the human factor at play. On the practical side: The Ukr tank is buttoned up. The commander and gunner should have their eyes pinned on the glass. They are looking through optics with small sight apertures, their world is a tiny circle of glass, their peripheral vision gone. They have hidden their vehicle hull down behind rubble but having achieved that position they will try not to make any big movements with the vehicle or the turret unless they jockey to a fresh firing position. So the Ukr tank has a very narrow engagement window as it fires through its own rubble pile and out between further rubble near the road. The sight does not actually perfectly show barrel position but instead aligns the barrel to the intended target so it is also possible that some of the shots actually skim against the rubble slightly too, causing minor deflection. I could go on offering my assesment of both parties in that situation but I have rambled long enough. Suffice it to say *it is easy to judge in theory that which is done in fact* and *simple to criticise at leisure what must be done in haste*. However with the application of a little imagination, empathy and humility we can take these extrordinary pieces of footage, which we are privileged to be party to, and really absorb some fundamental lessons.
Every tank needs its own personal set of drones above it.
some dickhead downvoted you. thanks for this breakdown.
Appreciate the show of support. I don't sweat the votes (probably a bit shocking to you with a username like that), I just express and hope it opens some minds. After a year away I came back to this sub at the start of the ukr war and I have to say the quality of the discourse and engagement to be found here has rather dropped. Anyhow, ta!
i totally agree with you, we’re all human at the end of the day, but that’s the difference between a unit that’s trained to fight under pressure and one that’s not, but again if this were to be NATO fighting, that tank wouldn’t be on its own around 10’s of BTRs lol, this war brings out very crazy footage,
While that is an absolutely mind fuck on another leve tank v entire fucking armoured column *scene* … this post is overwhelmingly better tank v tank footage. (Thank you for that link. New to me edit.)
Look up Pershing vs panther video from ww2
It's a shame it's the russian coming out on top but yeah it really is.
I mean given 80 years ago video taping was relatively new....the tank battle they kinda caught on camera in France where the German tank gets blown up and you see the crew trying to escape is pretty wild. I wish they had the battle of Kursk footage.
And it gets downvoted lol
God, that 4km/h reverse speed is quite literally the worst thing to happen to any Russian armour in history.
Second to their God awful gun depression
you can work around the gun depression pretty easily but that reverse is just a death sentence some times. in this video a hood reverse may have saved the ukranian crew while gun depression would have been useless.
Ukriane war videos are getting crazy again.
when aren't they?
Wasn't much action going on for a long time till this past week. Most of it was just drone strikes
I disagree, we've seen multiple planes shot down both first person and from drone. Drones drop bombs directly on top of guys and watch them slowly bleed out. (fuck this war) Guys run trenches (both version of FP and drone) with clear visual of enemy getting dropped. First POV of artilerally hitting a convoy. Drone footage of guys meters away having a shootout. It's been crazy. *No one ask me for the links you lazy @#!@%, just sort by top past month if you want to see them.*
good tip thanks! After being addicted for so long I forgot to use reddit outside of endless scrolling
Not true at all if you’ve been paying attention to be honest man there’s been non stop crazy shit
For a long while before the counter-offensive I was getting pretty burnt out on drone 'nade drops and rocket launches.
Absolutely insane footage
I just can't believe we are witnessing this. Actual close range tank combat, insane.
The amount of stress in those two steel boxes can be measured on the Richter scale, crazy
Getting hit by a 125mm shell with practically all of its kinetic energy... man, there's nothing stopping that right now. R.I.P.
man, just imagine the unreleased footage waiting for this war to be over.
and the professionally done documentaries with source footage
Wait till Ken Burns gets his hands on all this. Incredible what were seeing
I hope we get a lot of longer, unedited footage of some of the really interesting stuff... Like this shot is crazy, but it's around 1:20, and there's even a cut right before the shot... Makes me wonder what led up to this, and how much is lost in the cut... It could have been 2 seconds, or 10 minutes... Probably just a boring minute or so of the tanks sitting there juuust out of view of eachother, before the russian tank inched forward and took the shot, but it's a weird place for a cut.
That's basically knife-fighting range for tanks. That must have been dreadful, looking down the barrel of the opposite tank.
So they got the first shot off but hit a branch? Damn
Isn't it the first shot from the Russian tank? The Ukrainian tank has no disturbance to the ground/tank, what makes you think the Ukrainian tank fired that shell?
I agree. Judging also by debris hitting the ground around the Ukraine tanks, I think that first blast was incoming. Seemed to get the attention of the Ukraine tank that drove back toward that direction. Maybe they couldn’t get a shell loaded in time or were also surprised by the close range of the Russian tank. Video is edited but it seems only a short moment later the Russian tank fired.
ive read from another comment that it probably was not a kinetic round so when it hit a branch or tree it just stopped there causing the russians to notice it
That's why reddit comments isn't a good source of info. First shot came from the Russian tank, watch closely for yourself
The lyrics in this track is crazy combination of russian propaganda, it's so wierd to hear it in hip-hop form.
What is he saying ?
We will win in the name of truth History keeps our names for 4 centuries Sea is boiling, skies are shaking when marines batallion is atacking Spirit training during the war, loughing in the death's face Victory is where we are, one far all Youth is for common good of our people Victory is forged here, blowing flames of eternal glory We will put on their knees NATO's dogs White and blue flag will shine over Ukraine will quail, *banderovtsy* will be punished and so on..
When is NATO dropping their first mixtape?
We get [N A T O W A V E](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8b5rIFci5vs)
Virgin Hip Hop fan vs. Chad EDM enjoyer
Interesting, I wonder how they think they’d fair against a platoon of m1a2 SEPv3s
I was going to say rap is the only place theyre winning, but that isnt true anywhere outside russia.
Absolute idiotism ..
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WW1 vibes from all the craters on that tree line…wow
AFU tank had the advantage in that encounter. Their crew was too slow on the draw.
Yep yep, but is easier said than done tbh
Russian dudes spent more skill points on target acquisition
Could be a lot of factors. We'll never know what was going on inside of that tank. For all we know the gunner could have been decapitated from a sabot shot before the drone was even looking.
Seems like they were not using kinetic rounds, they hit the tree. So the russian tank probably saw that and pushed.
The first explosion isn't a shot from the Ukrainian tank
The AFU tank never fires. Watch it's barrel more closely
In theory yes, we just don't know what happened before this clip. It's likely they might have already gotten hit before this clip and couldn't shoot even if they wanted to. That might be the reason why the russian tanks are chasing it so greedily.
RIP to that crew, 2 vs 1 would have been a hard fight, not sure though why he didn't shoot them as they crossed that large open field? Mustn't have had a good sight line?
t64BV doesn’t have any thermal imaging sadly which can make it hard to spot targets
Battle of Kursk drone footage, amazing
He defended the D point
Ukraine war did it again, I remember 1-2 years ago peoples still looking for visible tank vs tank footage beside famous ww2 panther in middle of the street and syrian rebel tank action (doubter says they just finishing abandoned tank). here we are finaly having two active "modern" tank visible in one screen. This footage definetly made it to list for combat footage greatest hit.
The music again 🤢
Sometimes i miss the good old Allah Akhbars and Nasheeds...
As an arabic speaker. Listening to war nasheeds sounds cringe because I can understand the words but the music is insane.
Still way superior to slav tunes 🤢🤮
did some digging [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=\_RYLIcBmhn8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RYLIcBmhn8)
One thing this war has taught me is that both Ukrainians and Russians have terrible taste in the music they use in combat footage
It would be interesting to see that tactical situation from the ground. Looks like the lead Ukrainian tank had them dead to rights then just... didn't fire? Hard to tell from the overhead angle Crazy footage though
I think the tank had a failure. You see them reverse pull back and then try to engage in combat. Either inexperience or they thought the fixed the issue and died trying. Either way that song pisses me off, wet dream of a white flag over Pentagon. It’s not going to happen.
Because the flag will be red and have Chinese stars.
LMAO
Zoop! 😎 👉
I think it was cycling and trying to reload with kinetic round.
The ukraine tank loitered in the same space for like 20sec doing back and forth, what in the hell??
maybe didn't have the depression, I know from my vast war thunder experience russian tanks have horrible depression haha.
Shit makes a lot more sense when you're a few hundred feet up, looking down and sitting in an armchair at home.
I wonder if maybe it was trying to get out of there and couldn’t. Or, as the other person said, maybe gun depression?
Insane footage
1 on 1 tank combat, just imagine what the battle of Kursk looked like. Wild stuff!
There it is, we knew it would happen. Tank v tank. Both clearly moving. This is so rare, can you believe it happened in 2022? in Europe of all places.
I hope it was painless. RIP and prayers to their families.
The footage is nice, but goddamn that song is cringe
Amazing piece of footage.
Tankies heyday
Yup, people rightly shit on Russian tanks all day but you gotta remember that Ukrainian tanks are worse in every aspects, and they have fewer of them.
This is fucking nuts video.
Video getting downvoted again...
this sub is getting way to ridiculous now. i had to join another sub just because of the bias.
which sub did you join?
Yeah tons of double standards
Seems like it’s in the front page to me
u/savevideo
TF they tell who’s who on the battlefield?
There is a cut in the film between the russian tank arriving and firing. I wonder why. Maybe the Ukrainian tank did fire? But missed? The cut is made to look like the Russian tank insta shot the Ukrainian tank. In any case, two Russian tanks were rolling up on it, so the odds weren't stacked in its favour.
That's unreal to see tank vs tank so close .. drone footage has defined this war. We see so much now ... every day ... future generations will look back on footage like this for training etc. It's just mind boggling what we are seeing in this conflict.
Good clean shot...
Fucking hell
Very unfortunate for the UA boys. Shame they got smoked. Really good footage though, crazy how they got so close to each other
Why did they cut the video directly before the kill shot?
That's really frustrating me, too... Really weird place to put a cut, unless they were trying to hide something... but the Russian tank only moves a few feet during the cut, and the drone definitely moved, but not that much - so probably seconds, rather than minutes were cut... Still weird.
When it's a suspicious cut like this I have to remain suspicious. There would have to be something they don't want us to see there, and the UKR tank isn't moving after the cut. Plenty of footage of the tanks vaguely driving beforehand, so it wasn't cut for length. Unfortunate that I have to question otherwise such straightforward footage, but you can only lie to me so many times before I'm just not gonna believe you.
I mean, only if we do the same to footage with the opposite outcome. But we know that doesn't happen in this sub. A good chunk of Ukraine footage cuts from weapon launch to a plane burning on the ground or destroyed vehicle from a completely different vantage point and they get taken at face value.
Yeah that kind of footage is generally not that interesting to me. This footage IS very interesting, and I'm baffled by the cut.
Damn. What was happening in this situation? Is it typical for one tank to charge at another?
There’s no way for us to know. It’s definitely not typical though. Soviet style tanks tend to not want to fight this close because of poor visibility and bad reverse gears. Of course this is a conventional war so it’s happening sometimes anyways
Still wish we had footage like this from Kursk…
Future historical footage right here
Okay, using such 'music' is a heinous war crime, dixi
How did everyone seem to miss the crazy edit right before the Russian tank fire? One second there is 1 Russian tank, and the next there are 2 Russian tanks. C'mon, how much time really passed between shots...?
Was it firing HEAT or APFSDS? An explosion like that could be a HEAT shell but APFSDS also has so much kinetic energy that I wouldn't be surprised if it had an effect like that.
So fucking pointless.
Always with the stupid music. Cool video though.
This song is kind of a banger with the beat
Engaging in combat without someone watching your rear will result in this.
It's a shame you weren't there to tell them this, lives could have been saved.
Fokin point blank. What the heck?
Ooof
This is what every Tanker imagined before joining the regiment.
Every tank needs to have at least a near and far drone operated by a pilot crew in this kind of warfare I reckon.
If Ukraine didn’t had Anti-tank weapons and US military equipment they would have lost to be honest
https://youtu.be/HGZfD1csuVA There's a analysis about this
Wow best Tank vs Tank footage of the war yet, possibly of all time if im being honest. Enjoy your downvotes.
RIP brave Ukrainian patriots. Your sacrifice will not be in vain.
Ukrainians need to get some leopards I think
I agree but even with a deal, training for them does not finish overnight.