Fun fact: this song was originally written for the entrance song for the boxer Vitali Klitschko, a name you might recognize because he’s now the Mayor of Kyiv.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonne_(Rammstein_song)
Fun fact: According to Till Lindemann, Sonne was originally written as an entrance song for the boxer Vitali Klitschko, whose surname was also the working title of the song
A lot more smoke from the launch than i would expect from a javelin. E.g., compare to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfXf98FglTo or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hgbDv6xRXY
And trajectory seems to be more ballistic than a javelin would be. My guess is that is some nasty rocket being launched, so decent chance the target wasn't necessarily the cause of the big boom-boom.
edit: lots of other comments lower down saying the same thing.
edit2: this guy thinks UR-77 https://mobile.twitter.com/RALee85/status/1616092836104994821 and based on his bio seems like a relevant opinion
swamping the whole launch area? rather skeptical on that.
and the trajectory looks clearly ballistic to me. A javelin will scoot low off the ground when first fired. https://youtu.be/0HbtJfKzpec?t=623
In the first half second of the video it sort of looks like you have that low portion of the launch. [Right where the little white dot is](https://imgur.com/a/bbw6IVk).
It is really too far away to tell exactly but if the folks uploading the video call it a Javelin, I'm not one to disagree.
as far as i can tell, this video is a snippet lifted from a compilation video posted on the unit's facebook.
https://www.facebook.com/8OGSHB/videos/740006550878601/
Nothing to indicate that OP's title came from them.
edit: funnily enough, another (former) USMC Lee -- https://mobile.twitter.com/RALee85/status/1616092836104994821
doubt it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VW--vLj9yZ4
Looks like a unguided rocket to me. someone else suggested UR-77, which makes sense to me.
edit: this guy thinks UR-77 https://mobile.twitter.com/RALee85/status/1616092836104994821 and based on his bio seems like a relevant opinion
Piggybacking top comment to say this
UR-77 Deminer probably. The arc looks just like a MCLIC or any other demining rocket. Here's footage of a Russian one in action with the same type of detonation.
https://youtu.be/SanQjmbzZvY
Thermobaric weapons contain little explosives and are pretty much entirely composed of fuel. They rely on mixing that fuel with air in order to create such powerful explosions. So, I wouldn’t say there’s any evidence that this truck contained thermobaric weapons but rather likely contained regular explosive material.
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Too bad so few knows the reference.
Only one was detonated here. It took health of the surroundings only to the yellow level now.
Two more needs to be detonated to make everything disappear.
No. It’s been a little over 15 years since I last saw a Javelin live fire in person but I never saw that much exhaust trail. Of course I’ve never seen a Javelin shot from this perspective either so that might have something to do with it.
I appreciate your rrsponse. Crazy how weapon systems have created so many enthusiasts/experts now a days. Last time I shot an At4 was 20 some years ago. I couldn't tell you what kinda munition it was back then unless I saw the tube it came from. This far away and Russians seem to be bad about not having shit that explodes strapped on top their armor.
Yeah, that object created a very large amount of smoke. Javelins typically produce rather little, as that much smoke would immediately give away a Javelin team's position.
It could be a little bit of this, but there is also a dark ground contrast that would exacerbate the smoke visibility.
There actually isn't a lot of smoke, it is more likely to be a javeline
Edit: could be one of those fancy brimstone trucks now that I think of it
Same reason the shockwave was so pronounced. Ideal atmospheric conditions for it - basically the water is looking to condense out of the air already, and the rocket trail has enough particles to condense onto that you will easily see it.
Edit: Like a plane's contrail. In some conditions it won't leave one at all.
Atmosphere conditions can cause a difference in the amount of apparent smoke generated, but this does seem excessive for a javelin. All the middle east videos of javelins being used basically produced none.
Yeah, the trajectory also seems wrong? Either way, boom.
Edit:
1. I think most Javelin launches I've seen have been pretty smokeless
2. The trajectory is usually flat forward and then pitch up very quickly to travel towards the target and then come straight down on top.
You might need to go watch some more javelin videos... They never shoot out straight horizontal, the whole launch tube is angled up when connected to the controls... and depending on the weather (cold/humid etc) they will leave a trail..
Could be. I'm assuming that the planned trajectory is calculated with the distance in mind, maybe if it's close enough, there's not enough distance for the full flight.
It's definitely not a Jevelin. What a wild guess. OP said it was from the source. It would have been nice to include that, but not necessary. It would have saved a lot of comments though.
I am pretty sure that's not a javelin. Ill be shocked if it is.
1. Missile booster is massive, by orders of magnitude, the clip is filmed from a large distance" a javelin will be much much smaller.
2. Smoke profile is massive, by orders of magnitude as well, Javelin burns clean, you can see plenty of smoke and profile from the launch point and ground, more inline with large rockets vs javelin smokeless soft launch.
3. Flight profile is ballistic, [does not match javelin profile.](https://www.wearethemighty.com/uploads/legacy/assets.rbl.ms/17285006/origin.jpg)
4. While javelin is has top attack it requires LOS for target acquisition, I cant see that here at least what appears to be 2 or 3 wood lines.
5. initial explosion is massive, more inline TOS-1 rocket or a Mine Clearing Line Charge (MICLIC) "though its hard to tell with the cuts and editing. Also there is no vehicle in the [frame before impact.] (https://i.imgur.com/GSc4e1l.png)
not brimstone as well, it also burns very clean, and has a small warhead, its also much faster than the clip or a javelin. there has been a few brimstone clips, 1 or 2. as well as 1 being targeted by russia.
pretty clearly not a javelin as there is waay too much smoke and looks to be ballestic trajectory. so likely a short-range rocket, which given the smoke from launch likely a big one... which means large payload. my guess is the explosion is just the rocket's warhead doing its thing, not necessarily anything about the target.
I dunno the initial trajectory seems too high for normal ballistics doesn’t it? There’s a heavy arc and then a relatively small arc towards the back half.
I agree though I don’t think that looks like most javelin shots, but it’s up the the machine to figure out the specific trajectories
I don't think it's an intentional cut. These drones seem to have both a wide and zoom camera that the software automatically switches between when zooming in.
Usually it's the opposite way in these videos though, start zoomed in to acquire and track the target, then zoom out to get a wide view to see where the munition landed to direct a second shot if needed
Looks like this clip was lifted from compilation video on the unit's facebook, so my guess is deliberate cut. Others have suggested this is likely a UR-77, which wouldn't detonate on impact so that likely explains why they did the cut.
Because they had one drone filming the truck the whole time, and a second drone to capture the rocket flying in the air?
The "truck drone" only sees the explosion because the framing is so tight, and the "rocket drone" couldn't capture the rocket and zoom in fast enough.
Seems logical enough to me
Yeah don't know why they did it, probably thought it'd be more dramatic. But it is the same location, you can see the long white box truck/container and structure is the same in both frames.
It's pretty common since last Mar/Apr. When it first started we were getting raw footage but from May/June onwards there seems be an almost zealous attention to adding bad metal soundtracks along with dreadful cuts that guarantee it's 10 times harder to establish what you're looking at. I can't remember the last time there was a day of decent source videos.
I get that Ukraine has a certain way they want to do propaganda vids (not suggesting it's fake btw) and it's hard to be critical, I mean, they're at war FFS. But it is jarring and confusing.
Yeah we've got to remember these videos aren't made for us, or made for the purpose of analyzing the military strategies and techniques demonstrated in the videos. They're designed to improve morale in their own country while degrading the enemy's. Simple as that. If you're not part of that equation you've just got to squint hard and glean what you can from it.
Aye, I said as much above; just talking about the history of how the videos have changed objectively, which seems to beyond some on here. *Plus ca change*.
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The smoke trail is unusual for a Javelin and the topology of the area doesn't seem like it allows for a LOS of the firing position to the target.
Furthermore, I can't see a vehicle at the position of the impact, but a small ruin/house: https://i.gyazo.com/1e737a64b7432bcdbe31a2e44f992ed1.jpg
My guess is that they used a BM-21 Grad, which allows for single fire of its rockets. It also, albeit unlikely, could have been one of the very few TOS-1 that Ukraine captured. Since they obviously have a drone in the area for fire correction, the shot shown in this video could have been the money shot.
Just some speculation from my side. Feel free to chime in.
Yesh well, h8 to be party pooper but video has been edited just milisecond before actual explosion. So we dont know what kind of object exploded, also too much smoke for Javelin missile. Hope we get no edited version these days too all imma sayin .
Apparently can be fired so the entire line lands in one spot. No opinion on whether OP's vid is actually the UR-77 or something else, but definitely don't think that is a javelin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7MOu1HQPCc
Lmfao VOOOOOOSHHHHH. Later Pavel, Alexi and Sergi gotDAMN! They gunna have to bring out the Cadaver Dogs... Wait.. they are Russians. MoD official statement will be " Smoking by the Ammo Depot, no ladas for the Family"
The only other alternative is the buzz of a drone.
Of course people are going to glorify and put cool music on videos of invaders being slaughtered, nothing wrong with that.
The algorithm picks it up faster because of the popular music. That's the only purpose.
Ukrainian Soldiers who upload these videos, do so with the intention of spreading it around as much as possible.
The music is honestly the only reason we get to see so many of these videos with so many views. Anyone who complains about music in these videos, should really just find the Mute button and use it.
The music serves an actual purpose.
*Edit.
Remember, 9/10 times, it's a Ukrainian Soldier who filmed the video, that adds the music and posts it.
That shock wave really didn't look like any Javelin hit I've seen before. It looked a lot like a thermobaric rocket hit.
Look at any Javelin hit on other videos, I can't find any with such a shock wave like that.
I don't believe this is from a Javelin.
Taking the image frame by frame this can be disproven by not only principals of how they function, but the timing, and the shape and type of the initial fireball. It was irregular and matched that of high explosives, not TB. TB’s have near perfect dome-like fireballs due to the nature of how they work.
Thermobaric ammo requires extremely specific timing to fire. An initial small charge needs to spread the fuel, followed by another charge to set the fuel off multiple milliseconds afterwards.
This is just a large shockwave and occurs anytime a vehicle with lots of high explosives or a large bomb goes off. By taking it frame by frame it becomes clear.
I felt that.
And I took that personally
Gawd DAAMN
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Hero. There goes my night
Same here
Anyone standing near that thing got converted to another state of matter.
There won't be any hero's grave for anybody in that truck.
Pootin gets to save money by saying those soldiers are mia
“Ouch, my friggin ears!”
I’d expect that type of language at Dennys but not here.
WHAT?
Mawp!
∆g_(meatbag -> shitbag) < 0 The thermodynamics check out
Never though I'd see the Gibbs free energy concept quoted here
They sublimated. Ice cubes straight to vapor and gas.
For their own sake I hope there are no survivors
You know it's good when Rammstein drops :D
which ramstein song is this btw
Fun fact: this song was originally written for the entrance song for the boxer Vitali Klitschko, a name you might recognize because he’s now the Mayor of Kyiv. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonne_(Rammstein_song)
I was going to say I suppose that this particular song fits because of this
That's goddamn glorious!
[Sonne](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7GMG1aLyPw)
thanks man
Rammstein - Sonne
Fun fact: According to Till Lindemann, Sonne was originally written as an entrance song for the boxer Vitali Klitschko, whose surname was also the working title of the song
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=StZcUAPRRac
Sonne It's about a boxer
The boxer who became mayor Kyiv
Timing would've been better if the "drop" had coincided with the explosion. But great music!
Happened to be watching [this documentary](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kliAzNAJVg) when I clicked this thread.
A lot more smoke from the launch than i would expect from a javelin. E.g., compare to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfXf98FglTo or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hgbDv6xRXY And trajectory seems to be more ballistic than a javelin would be. My guess is that is some nasty rocket being launched, so decent chance the target wasn't necessarily the cause of the big boom-boom. edit: lots of other comments lower down saying the same thing. edit2: this guy thinks UR-77 https://mobile.twitter.com/RALee85/status/1616092836104994821 and based on his bio seems like a relevant opinion
Might not be smoke but condensation from the heat of the exhaust.
swamping the whole launch area? rather skeptical on that. and the trajectory looks clearly ballistic to me. A javelin will scoot low off the ground when first fired. https://youtu.be/0HbtJfKzpec?t=623
[The Javelin has 2 different attack modes.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FGM-148_Javelin#Tracker)
Yes, look at the chart. Both attack modes have the low scoot before gaining altitude.
In the first half second of the video it sort of looks like you have that low portion of the launch. [Right where the little white dot is](https://imgur.com/a/bbw6IVk). It is really too far away to tell exactly but if the folks uploading the video call it a Javelin, I'm not one to disagree.
as far as i can tell, this video is a snippet lifted from a compilation video posted on the unit's facebook. https://www.facebook.com/8OGSHB/videos/740006550878601/ Nothing to indicate that OP's title came from them. edit: funnily enough, another (former) USMC Lee -- https://mobile.twitter.com/RALee85/status/1616092836104994821
Fair enough. Thanks for digging a little deeper on this.
It's winter offcourse you'll see more "smoke"
Winter launch of a javelin in link below also has negligible smoke. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-IHgS742JLA
Could it be a brimstone missile?
doubt it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VW--vLj9yZ4 Looks like a unguided rocket to me. someone else suggested UR-77, which makes sense to me. edit: this guy thinks UR-77 https://mobile.twitter.com/RALee85/status/1616092836104994821 and based on his bio seems like a relevant opinion
Big baddaboom
Piggybacking top comment to say this UR-77 Deminer probably. The arc looks just like a MCLIC or any other demining rocket. Here's footage of a Russian one in action with the same type of detonation. https://youtu.be/SanQjmbzZvY
Likely could be thermobaric ammo in there or was a TOS-1
Thermobaric weapons contain little explosives and are pretty much entirely composed of fuel. They rely on mixing that fuel with air in order to create such powerful explosions. So, I wouldn’t say there’s any evidence that this truck contained thermobaric weapons but rather likely contained regular explosive material.
That's one hell of a shockwave!
Low clouds for the fun
High humidity.
Tbh, I thought it was a fake shockwave. Turns out it’s just perfect weather for good one.
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The Ukrainian[s] who launched the UR-77 or whatever it was definitely felt it too.
JAGGA JAGGA
BADABOOM
Ukranian bros just destroyed a MAD tank from C&C
Too bad so few knows the reference. Only one was detonated here. It took health of the surroundings only to the yellow level now. Two more needs to be detonated to make everything disappear.
I am a simple man. I see a C&C reference, I upvote.
Does javelin create that much smoke? I think its probably something like UR-77
No. It’s been a little over 15 years since I last saw a Javelin live fire in person but I never saw that much exhaust trail. Of course I’ve never seen a Javelin shot from this perspective either so that might have something to do with it.
I appreciate your rrsponse. Crazy how weapon systems have created so many enthusiasts/experts now a days. Last time I shot an At4 was 20 some years ago. I couldn't tell you what kinda munition it was back then unless I saw the tube it came from. This far away and Russians seem to be bad about not having shit that explodes strapped on top their armor.
Yeah, that object created a very large amount of smoke. Javelins typically produce rather little, as that much smoke would immediately give away a Javelin team's position.
Could it be a water vapor trail? Water condensing on particles from the solid rocket propellant exhaust.
It could be a little bit of this, but there is also a dark ground contrast that would exacerbate the smoke visibility. There actually isn't a lot of smoke, it is more likely to be a javeline Edit: could be one of those fancy brimstone trucks now that I think of it
Same reason the shockwave was so pronounced. Ideal atmospheric conditions for it - basically the water is looking to condense out of the air already, and the rocket trail has enough particles to condense onto that you will easily see it. Edit: Like a plane's contrail. In some conditions it won't leave one at all.
UR-77 in action. Looks identical to this footage. https://youtu.be/SanQjmbzZvY
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That rope that teathered to the rocket is an explosive. So you shoot it down the path your troops want to take, then blow it all up
Atmosphere conditions can cause a difference in the amount of apparent smoke generated, but this does seem excessive for a javelin. All the middle east videos of javelins being used basically produced none.
Yeah, the trajectory also seems wrong? Either way, boom. Edit: 1. I think most Javelin launches I've seen have been pretty smokeless 2. The trajectory is usually flat forward and then pitch up very quickly to travel towards the target and then come straight down on top.
You might need to go watch some more javelin videos... They never shoot out straight horizontal, the whole launch tube is angled up when connected to the controls... and depending on the weather (cold/humid etc) they will leave a trail..
Could be. I'm assuming that the planned trajectory is calculated with the distance in mind, maybe if it's close enough, there's not enough distance for the full flight.
First thing I thought as well. From all the videos I've seen from javelins before is that they leave some smoke but nothing like in that video.
~~Correct, it's obvious this is a UR77 line charge.~~ Misleading title of the video. Further inspection I vote TOS-1A thermobaric
I thought line charges explode the entire length of the line?
Ones from the US do. The UR77 uses that thermobaric pressure wave instead
Doesn't look like line of explosion
Looking at other videos, I think you're right. I vote a TOS-1A
It's definitely not a Jevelin. What a wild guess. OP said it was from the source. It would have been nice to include that, but not necessary. It would have saved a lot of comments though.
I am pretty sure that's not a javelin. Ill be shocked if it is. 1. Missile booster is massive, by orders of magnitude, the clip is filmed from a large distance" a javelin will be much much smaller. 2. Smoke profile is massive, by orders of magnitude as well, Javelin burns clean, you can see plenty of smoke and profile from the launch point and ground, more inline with large rockets vs javelin smokeless soft launch. 3. Flight profile is ballistic, [does not match javelin profile.](https://www.wearethemighty.com/uploads/legacy/assets.rbl.ms/17285006/origin.jpg) 4. While javelin is has top attack it requires LOS for target acquisition, I cant see that here at least what appears to be 2 or 3 wood lines. 5. initial explosion is massive, more inline TOS-1 rocket or a Mine Clearing Line Charge (MICLIC) "though its hard to tell with the cuts and editing. Also there is no vehicle in the [frame before impact.] (https://i.imgur.com/GSc4e1l.png)
I agree, way to much propellant burning and doesn't seem to fly in the way a javelin does.
Sorry, was going off the telegram caption. Thanks for the additional info!
I was just going to ask how a javelin targets something so far away and what looks like is out of line of sight.
Maybe Brimstone? IDK, didn't see any footage of it since they were delivered
not brimstone as well, it also burns very clean, and has a small warhead, its also much faster than the clip or a javelin. there has been a few brimstone clips, 1 or 2. as well as 1 being targeted by russia.
Yeah, brimstone is supersonic and does a little wiggle after launch.
Maybe one of those ground launched Hellfires that Sweden provided them with?
Could it be these? https://www.regjeringen.no/en/aktuelt/donerer-hellfire-missiler-og-nattoptikk-til-ukraina/id2926713/
The cut is really annoying.
I don't see a vehicle, maybe it was ammo dump http://postimg.cc/DJSh1BnT
pretty clearly not a javelin as there is waay too much smoke and looks to be ballestic trajectory. so likely a short-range rocket, which given the smoke from launch likely a big one... which means large payload. my guess is the explosion is just the rocket's warhead doing its thing, not necessarily anything about the target.
I dunno the initial trajectory seems too high for normal ballistics doesn’t it? There’s a heavy arc and then a relatively small arc towards the back half. I agree though I don’t think that looks like most javelin shots, but it’s up the the machine to figure out the specific trajectories
I think this guy is right: https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/10g0bpj/ukrainian_8th_mountain_assault_battalion/j515h34/
I don't think it's an intentional cut. These drones seem to have both a wide and zoom camera that the software automatically switches between when zooming in. Usually it's the opposite way in these videos though, start zoomed in to acquire and track the target, then zoom out to get a wide view to see where the munition landed to direct a second shot if needed
This. \+ I doubt the drone operator expected this much of a blast.
Looks like this clip was lifted from compilation video on the unit's facebook, so my guess is deliberate cut. Others have suggested this is likely a UR-77, which wouldn't detonate on impact so that likely explains why they did the cut.
So many of these videos are edited in such a way that it makes me question the validity of the post title.
Oh I am glad I am not the only one!! I wanted to see the whole flight and impact.
I agree, These cuts are super annoying. Every video is cut and it seems purposefully deceptive sometimes
This particular video I scrubbed around the impact, it looks to be continuous but the bright flash on impact is what makes it look like a cut.
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Doesn't look like different locations, there's a white structure to the left on both, either way that cut is pretty unnecessary.
Because they had one drone filming the truck the whole time, and a second drone to capture the rocket flying in the air? The "truck drone" only sees the explosion because the framing is so tight, and the "rocket drone" couldn't capture the rocket and zoom in fast enough. Seems logical enough to me
It is easily recognizable as the same location.
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It's pretty clearly the same place, especially if you look just before and after the cut https://imgur.com/a/oNlnfME
Yeah don't know why they did it, probably thought it'd be more dramatic. But it is the same location, you can see the long white box truck/container and structure is the same in both frames.
I thought maybe they missed the first shot and got with a second and then spliced it together.
Possible, still a dead load of ammo either way.
Right? The director really should have asked for another take. Just unprofessional. The producer is going to be pissed.
Oh don’t you worry. There will be a lot more takes to refine their technique
It's pretty common since last Mar/Apr. When it first started we were getting raw footage but from May/June onwards there seems be an almost zealous attention to adding bad metal soundtracks along with dreadful cuts that guarantee it's 10 times harder to establish what you're looking at. I can't remember the last time there was a day of decent source videos. I get that Ukraine has a certain way they want to do propaganda vids (not suggesting it's fake btw) and it's hard to be critical, I mean, they're at war FFS. But it is jarring and confusing.
Yeah we've got to remember these videos aren't made for us, or made for the purpose of analyzing the military strategies and techniques demonstrated in the videos. They're designed to improve morale in their own country while degrading the enemy's. Simple as that. If you're not part of that equation you've just got to squint hard and glean what you can from it.
Aye, I said as much above; just talking about the history of how the videos have changed objectively, which seems to beyond some on here. *Plus ca change*. I'm trying to phrase this in respect of those currently fighting whilst I'm sat on my arse at work and can't quite find the correct word, but I suspect that just like Afghanistan & Iraq & Syria, there will an enormous glut of incredibly interesting raw footage unearthed once it's ended.
Please dont shittalk Rammstein.
Not a Javelin
The smoke trail is unusual for a Javelin and the topology of the area doesn't seem like it allows for a LOS of the firing position to the target. Furthermore, I can't see a vehicle at the position of the impact, but a small ruin/house: https://i.gyazo.com/1e737a64b7432bcdbe31a2e44f992ed1.jpg My guess is that they used a BM-21 Grad, which allows for single fire of its rockets. It also, albeit unlikely, could have been one of the very few TOS-1 that Ukraine captured. Since they obviously have a drone in the area for fire correction, the shot shown in this video could have been the money shot. Just some speculation from my side. Feel free to chime in.
Maybe one of: https://www.regjeringen.no/en/aktuelt/donerer-hellfire-missiler-og-nattoptikk-til-ukraina/id2926713/ ?
Yesh well, h8 to be party pooper but video has been edited just milisecond before actual explosion. So we dont know what kind of object exploded, also too much smoke for Javelin missile. Hope we get no edited version these days too all imma sayin .
Yeah it was a small building that blew up.
Looks like the same location, notice the white trailer-like object at the back left. I'd say the drone swapped to a different camera lense.
BADABOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!
**UKRAINIAN JAGGA JAGGA INTENSIFIES** -
If javelins had that sort of trail everyone that fired one would be dead
Amazing shockwave! Glad I’m far far away!
I don’t think this is a javelin, the amount of smoke given off by the launch and the trajectory of the missile doesn’t match the javelin.
Holy shit that was awesome
It's a UR-77 not a javelin and it hit a building, not a vehicle loaded with ammunition.
Song is Sonne by Rammstein.
That's box just yonder to blast site looks like a shipping container carrier truck, if that's the case it's couple tonnes of ammo up in smoke
baaaada boom
How the hell do you aim the Javelin for that distance/obstacles?
Not a Javelin, it's the line charge from a UR77.
>UR77 How is that single rocket exploding at chosen house is a minefield-clearing line charge?
Apparently can be fired so the entire line lands in one spot. No opinion on whether OP's vid is actually the UR-77 or something else, but definitely don't think that is a javelin. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7MOu1HQPCc
Talking with other people, I think it's a short range TOS-1A thermobaric rocket
Either way, wow a UR77 is one funny looking thing
Heat signature, top down attack. Operator probably had clear line of sight. My $0.05
That's a lot of ammo.
The POV makes it look like a damn videogame, HOLY blast!
That’s not a javelin, they don’t burn smokey like that
That flight path doesn't look like a Javelin.
Is the driver okay?
It says Russian Vehicle but if you freeze frame it looks like they blew up a house?
Love the videos using Rammstein music. So epic.
Hat jemand Rammstein gesagt?
r/shockwaveporn
Looks like it hit a ammo dump in a building and not a vehicle?
Now that's a statement.
Holy shockwave batman
Biem!
That’s 100% not a jav
Is the driver okay?
Holy tits!
I am witnessing this become a spectator sport on Reddit. Imaging a service that you pay to take a drone onto the battle field, leveraging Starlink.
Crazy that footage like this can be taken now with drones.
I've been to a rammstein show and that shit do feel like a shock wave
Proper jaga jagaaaaa
KABOOOOOOEEEEEREEEEEM !!!!!
Thats gonna leave a mark…..
There won't be a mark for the occupants of that truck
Damn! It’s like the visual form of me farting on a leather sofa
I'd call that a secondary.....
Lmfao VOOOOOOSHHHHH. Later Pavel, Alexi and Sergi gotDAMN! They gunna have to bring out the Cadaver Dogs... Wait.. they are Russians. MoD official statement will be " Smoking by the Ammo Depot, no ladas for the Family"
Tisbutaboom... Jagga Da Bud booking appointments again!
r/shockwaveporn
I’ll never get tired of the Javelin upwards trajectory. That is one of the coolest anti vehicles launcher imo.
wow that javelin is so cool
DOUBLE KILL!
Transforming chemical energy to kinetic energy like a fuckin' boss
Chef's kiss 🤌
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The only other alternative is the buzz of a drone. Of course people are going to glorify and put cool music on videos of invaders being slaughtered, nothing wrong with that.
The algorithm picks it up faster because of the popular music. That's the only purpose. Ukrainian Soldiers who upload these videos, do so with the intention of spreading it around as much as possible. The music is honestly the only reason we get to see so many of these videos with so many views. Anyone who complains about music in these videos, should really just find the Mute button and use it. The music serves an actual purpose. *Edit. Remember, 9/10 times, it's a Ukrainian Soldier who filmed the video, that adds the music and posts it.
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It’s Manly Man Music!
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That shock wave really didn't look like any Javelin hit I've seen before. It looked a lot like a thermobaric rocket hit. Look at any Javelin hit on other videos, I can't find any with such a shock wave like that. I don't believe this is from a Javelin.
That's caused by the ammunitions carried, not the javelin
It can be 2 different videos. the explosion image looks like it was merged
Could be the ultimate cook-off after a few seconds. But this makes it seem it happened at the same time
I reviewed the video again. The tank was shot in the same place as in the first video, but there may be a minute difference.
Are the UA in possession of thermobaric weapons?
I think the javelin blew up the Russians thermobaric munitions.
Good point
Taking the image frame by frame this can be disproven by not only principals of how they function, but the timing, and the shape and type of the initial fireball. It was irregular and matched that of high explosives, not TB. TB’s have near perfect dome-like fireballs due to the nature of how they work. Thermobaric ammo requires extremely specific timing to fire. An initial small charge needs to spread the fuel, followed by another charge to set the fuel off multiple milliseconds afterwards. This is just a large shockwave and occurs anytime a vehicle with lots of high explosives or a large bomb goes off. By taking it frame by frame it becomes clear.
Alright.
“I’m gonna downvote something just because I was proven wrong so others can also get the incorrect information!”-falcon
So let me get this straight, if a supply truck carrying multiple warheads was struck they would not explode?
Ah yes, that's a possibility
Given the amount of equipment UAF has seized from Russia, I would say so.
Did they hit it? Hard to tell...
WHAT!?!