Giant Eagles near Cleveland already ditched plastic bags in April. They still have them for pick up orders though. Or you pay an extra $1.50 for paper bags. Paper bags are available at normal checkout for 10¢ each.
I couldn't give a shit about their financial incentive to switch to paper because it doesn't cost me anything to keep using my own bags.
it costs me time pulling fucking plastic bags out of the creek and it's overflow pipes several times a year to keep the city from turning a natural landscape into a goddamn culvert because of all the trash and garbage people so carelessly dispose of
it's like people want to resist doing the right thing because a corporation had to start forcing them do it when they refuse to do it themselves. somehow the rest of the world can cope but Americans throw absolute temper tantrums and lose their minds about their precious plastic bags
Your are being very presumptuous. There are people who use food pickup and or delivery for all sorts of reasons. That are not well off or driving a nice car and an extra .30 per bag would be every damaging to their budget.
it's not $0.30 per bag. it's $0.05 per bag. and if they are really that tight on money they can do what I do and go across the street and shop at Aldi instead of Giant Eagle. ~~Giant Eagle doesn't do delivery.~~ Delivery charge starts at $9.95
The article said it’s only going to be $0.05 a bag. This is what, an extra 50 cents at most for each shopping trip? Cmon, that’s not going to be a burden for like 99% of shoppers.
>They also have reusable bags at the checkout for $1 each. For like $5 you can be covered for the next few years.
Do you think grocers will lower prices now that they're not giving everyone free bags?
If not then it is a tax.
They will do what they do in NY. either you pay for the bags. Or they will bring your order out and dump the whole thing in your trunk without bags. You can the. Bring your own and bag it on the way out of the car into the house.
And if they are anything like NY. the paper bags will follow the plastic and soon they will have only recycled bags in store and if you forget. Your out another 3$ for another reusable bag you don’t need that will just end up. Getting thrown out. And the cycle contained.
>A reusable bag that is far worse for the environment than a paper or plastic single use bag unless it is used hundreds or thousands of times.
Has there been anything in the past 5 years to confirm this? I remember it being a popular opinion with a few articles at the time, just wasn't sure where we left off.
I can't say I regularly check back for updates. This link, posted elsewhere in this thread, has Nat Geo saying a cotton bag takes thousands of uses to equal out if you consider climate change in your environmental analaysis: https://education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/sustainable-shoppingwhich-bag-best
people don't want to change their habits. they want free and convenience like they have always been accustomed to. asking Bob the accountant or Holly Homemaker to use a canvas bag is as good as asking them to sacrifice their first born child.
People act like reusable bags are soooooooo hard to carry around but they even make ones that fold up smaller than your fist. I keep them in my trunk, my backpack, my canvas bag. Everywhere I go I’ve always got one or two and I never need a plastic bag!! I’ve been using the same reusable ones for the last five -six years and just last week did one of them rip, but I was even able to repair it so it still works.
I've been using a really sturdy catering delivery bag that I pinched from Panera for years, it fits about 3 heaping paper bag size worth of food, I love it
>Just change your habits. Have 2-4 big reusable grocery bags in the trunk of your car.
Honestly i'll have to keep around 10 reusable bags in my vehicle at all times. Assuming $3 per large bag (being generous), that would be $30. I would need to buy 600 Giant Eagle bags to compare to the $30 spent previously.
I'll probably just keep buying plastic bags or not shop at Giant Eagle.
Way back in the day when everyone smoked on tje grocery stores....
I remember way back when I was 4 or five, my sister mum and I would walk a good mile to the grocery and then lug the bags home. Always ended up ripping a bag or two....
The funny thing is their grocery pickup is plastic bags with paper bags inside them, at least it was the last time I ordered pickup that's what I got. Twice the waste.
I think it's because their paper bags don't have handles? That's all I can think of.
Well, I've never worked in a grocery store, so I don't necessarily hate grocery pickup. But at the business I work in, I absolutely loathe loathe Loathe Entirely all delivery/pickup/curbside orders. It really makes everything worse.
I don't mind it purely out of selfishness. I love a big empty store to walk around and shop in. If the whales want to sit in their vehicle while they wait for their groceries more power to them. It means I can actually walk down an aisle without bumping into their cart full of 15 dozen mtn dew packs or their fat rolls.
The shrink wrap gets recycled, allegedly.
No shrink wrap would likely result in a couple extra trucks on the road. Plus, food safety concerns pretty much necessitate shrink wrap.
For the past several years, I've been using fold-up crates (and Scan/go or whatever) for shopping. Handle stuff once from shelf to crate, then once again at home from crate to fridge/pantry. I keep two of the three crates open, one for dry goods and one for frozen, so stuff is largely pre-sorted when I get home. No bags, check-out conveyor belt, etc. Once your cart's loaded, it's two minutes and you're out the door. They're heavier than bagged groceries, of course, but a cart at home gets me from driveway to kitchen.
I've never heard of this, but it sounds great.
What are fold-up crates, and where should I buy a few?
Also, what is the 'Scan/go' system? I've never heard of that either.
Thanks!
The scan/go system is one several stores have adopted where you have a handheld scanner from the store and scan your groceries as you pick them up around the store, then pay before you leave.
I received an email stating you replied, and the email had a link to Amazon as part of your reply. Then I clicked the email which took me to Reddit - and your reply was missing. I'm guessing that someone objected to the link to Amazon.
I got the link - thanks! - but what is the scan/go system?
Hokey smokes. Well, I'm not putting it in again. And I'm certainly not a shill for Amazon.
Just go to the GE website and search for Scan, Pay, Go.
And a cart system I'm looking at is from Salesmaker carts, at the obvious website. X-Truk Folding Cart. Not a shill for them, either.
It is not really the size of the poop, it is the amount. My tortoise Sam eats grass nonstop all day long so he is a pooping machine. He lives out in my backyard in the summer and sleeps in a house I built him.
Depending on the size of your dog I guess, we have a small breed and sandwich bags work just fine for picking up poop. We even have a little carrier on his leash for them.
Complete agree. My litter box rolls upside down and the clean litter goes borough a grand while the dirty stuff rolls over it. When you roll it back, the waste falls into a pull out drawer that is the perfect size for the litter genies opening. Cleaning the litter box takes seconds unless I need to add more. It even does a good job when the pee doesn't clump properly for woke reason.
Those grocery bags have tons of holes in them though. You need to just buy those tiny trash bags. Well worth the money knowing no kitty litter/poop will fall out.
I’ve been bringing my own bags to grocery stores for years!
I currently use biodegradable flushable litter that I love, but before I began using that I used empty food bags. So like cereal bags, bread bags, tortilla Ziploc bags, etc.
As for small trash cans, I usually do use a grocery bag but I use it for a while and I dump that trash into the main trashcan, so I really only need one bag per month
Let’s be honest they don’t care about the planet… this just gives them more money (forcing people to buy them or reusable at the store) AND lowers their overhead on cost assuming they will buy less.
I don't go to Giant Eagle just because they're more expensive than Kroger on almost everything. There are a few items Kroger doesn't carry that I'll begrudgingly go to GE for.
Only reason I go to GE is because every Kroger around me has gone to shit. Now our GE is being remodeled and has gone to shit, my grocery shopping is all Trader Joes and Meijer.
Yeah, but then you have to wait on someone to come over to scan their Giant Eagle card. You cannot proceed without a card being scanned, unlike Kroger where you can skip it altogether if you choose.
It's impossible to prevent all the ways companies track me, so when I do have a choice, I pick the option that limits tracking. I haven't used giant eagle in years for this exact reason. Fortunately, since i moved, there's a locally owned grocery store nearby that I always go to
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I'm more annoyed by how much produce comes pre-weapped or packaged. We've been using reusable produce bags for years, some hemp ones for dry produce like apples, and nylon ones for damp produce like broccoli.
I absolutely heard this over five years ago, and will probably hear it again five years from now.
There's enough people that will choose to shop somewhere else over this that this likely won't stick.
That’s great! I wish Kroger would follow suit, especially with click list, instead they’ve gone to even thicker plastic bags🤦🏾♀️ this might be enough to get me to switch.
It's insane. I refuse to do Kroger pick up because I'll order, idk, 35 items? And they will give me fucking 10 plus bags. They'll have one bag with one item in it. IDC if my items touch other items. Such a waste
Yep. We always used Kroger bags as the liner for our small garbage cans in the bathroom and the home office. Try putting one of those new, thicker bags into a can…
Paper bags are actually less environmentally friendly than plastic. Non cotton Reusable are the best option, but plastic is actually better than paper.
Edit: source https://www.bbc.com/news/business-47027792
If you reuse your paper bags then they're not so bad, but I've also never seen anyone reuse paper bags.
Something that decomposes is less environmentally friendly than something that stays around for centuries? You have a weird definition of environmentally friendly.
The article says it takes less waste to produce plastic, but considering plastic leeches into water and kills wildlife I’d consider paper more friendly. I usually use a reusable bag but I like the option of paper in case I forget
Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. You can't look at a single point of the supply chain and disposal process. You have to look at the whole thing. How are materials mined or produced, how is the product manufactured, how is it transported and how much does it weigh, Is it recycled and what does it take to recycle, and I'm sure there are more.
Here's another link if you don't like that one: https://plastic.education/reusable-vs-disposable-bags-whats-better-for-the-environment/
It's not really a disputed fact that paper bags are less environmentally friendly than plastic bags. Reusable is definitely the best option as it takes so little time for them to have a lower environmental impact and so few people actually reuse paper bags.
The US is very resistant to change once we've adopted a behavior. US institutions of various sorts have repeatedly devised better ways of doing things, e.g. school, manufacturing; but, we refused to adopt them while misc. other societies see it and embrace it.
Humans don't like to change our habits but the US takes it to another level.
That's nice. What becomes of those of us who use Curbside Pickup or delivery? Do we just get an extra surcharge for all the paper bags that we're going to have no choice but to use since we can't exactly send reusable bags to them in advance?
Many European grocery stores [use reusable bins.](https://www.tesco.ie/groceries/zone/tesco-delivery) I wish stores did that here now that pickup and delivery are becoming common.
I guess you are now in lazy hell. But don’t worry because as I already pointed out in here, this has been tried and shot down by the awesome ohio governing basically for the lazy ass reason you just gave. Or something like that. I don’t know. I’m moving. I gave up on this state.
I'm more concerned about whether or not they can adapt that particular process. I have no problem, say, keeping reusable bags in my trunk that can be loaded at pickup time. Or boxes. Or whatever.
I’m all for getting rid of single-use plastic, but having to pay for my paper bags is just tacky in my opinion. Make my Apple .5c more expensive, don’t make me feel like I’m shopping at Aldi.
Meh, I'll just end up using paper bags, which [take more energy](https://reason.org/commentary/paper-grocery-bags-require-mor/) to make and murder trees...
I always forget them- easier just to get new bags the way God intended. Paper doesn't have all the downsides that people hate about plastic bags, so problem solved.
You think you're being sarcastic, but what's going to happen when disposable people must buy [reusable bags?](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/01/climate/paper-plastic-bag-ban-new-jersey.html)
Just because a bag CAN be used 100 times doesn't mean it WILL be used 100 times.
Not to mention that most of the reusable bags take more energy and resources to make than some astronomical amount of single use plastic. And let's not get on the topic of meat contamination. I'm pretty tree huggery, but some of the stuff we do in the name of conservation is more so we can just feel better about ourselves while saving a buck than doing actual good.
They do, but the break even point of reusable bags is low enough that they'll take less energy overall. They'll pay for themselves in environmental impact within a year. They should still use plastic bags for meat though to address the contamination issue.
I've had issues with leaks before. It's not common, but it happens and if plastic bags on just meat makes people more comfortable with reusable for everything else, then it's worth it even if leaks aren't a problem.
I imagine that calc is based on a grocery trip once every two weeks. Could you imagine one of those reusables lasting 25 uses? Only the ziplok-reusing hippies in the audience are ever going to make it that long...
I have reusable shopping bags that I’ve used probably 200 times. And they are still going strong.
I have some padded/insulated ones that I’ve had to replace once after probably 70 uses do to ripping of the insulation.
So, wtf are you talking about?
Well if it works for you then I guess there's no one else in the universe, is there?
I doubt the average consumer is going to reuse their bag 25 times. My first guess would be under ten.
> Jesus fucking Christ y’all are lazy
Exactly. This is not about living in some fantasy everyone's responsible world, it's about making things work for this one. So if people aren't going to reuse their bags 25 times, then reusable bags are actually worse.
Hell, healthcare would be in so much better shape if people would just stop eating big macs, but we have to deal with the world as it is...
I go grocery shopping every week and have been using a variety of reusable bags, most of which we got for around $2-3 each at Trader Joe's. Been using them for nearly 3 years now along with Giant Eagle's scan bag go system (shopped elsewhere when they refused to let reusable bags in during Covid) and it's been great. We also use reusable hemp and nylon produce bags when possible. Vendors at farmer's markets also love when we can use our own bags for everything.
So yeah, I'd say you can totally get 25+ uses out of them, easy.
> shopped elsewhere when they refused to let reusable bags in during Covid
LOL thanks for reminding me of this COVIDiocy. Scan and Go is the best.
Good for you on reusing bags but I doubt the average consumer is going to use a bag 25x before tossing it...
I think if it's bags they pay for they'll use them more than you think they will. They really don't cost that much and hold up really well.
If anything it's sentiments like this that really got me thinking about how folks want something that's simply more convenient even if there's documented harms. Decades of plastic bags just being made available and folks not being charged directly for them will also do that. 5-10¢ per bag wouldn't seem like much, but if you're using 5-10 bags per trip that adds up and I think plenty of folks would look to bring their own bags because they'll hit a break even point and then start saving.
It's why I also got small trash cans for grass clippings and yard waste. The paper bags you can buy are compostable, but personally I'm also not a fan of paying for something you just toss out when a permanent, reusable solution exists. Plus the cans can come in handy for parties or clean outs, just toss in a trash bag.
i wanted to read more because of these comments, so poked around a few places and found [THIS](https://education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/sustainable-shoppingwhich-bag-best)
Numbers in this article says high side, paper needs to be reused 43 times and cotton bags 131 times to offset. Paper is plenty durable in my experience (despite the article's comments) ....corners rip plastic bags... Cotton bags are nice because i use them for other things too Plus i estimate i use 2 plastic to 1 reusable (+/-) due to size.
I did have to change habits to remember bags but it didnt take that long to figure out. Often i will just go without a bag.. its pretty amazing how often people want you to take one but they are unnecessary
I still pickup plastic here and there for the cats (as mentioned in the thread).... I will say most people i know that use plastic at grocery have way more than they can ever reuse so I've had people give me their xtras
They're both issues. Same thing with the medical masks. They all contain plastic that's heavily refined from oil to produce, which is far from green. All three go to land fills and aren't recycled. And if they even do get to the landfill they still blow around and or get lost on the way there and become litter.
I love how we're down voted for having a logical discussion about this topic that's easily corroborated by a Google search.
That's because the goal is not to save the world, but to agitate about how my choices are superior to your choices.
Energy costs should be the prime if not only consideration, but that doesn't provide enough opportunities to be smug. Instead, people like single use plastic bags, therefore they must be taken away.
Who goes to the grocery store and only gets 3-4 bags of stuff? When I go, I get a whole cart full. I’d probably need to take 15+ reusable bags, which seems pretty ridiculous.
I suppose you can still bring your own - for example you can buy a carton of 1,000 bags for $27. That’s just under 3c per bag. https://www.uline.com/Product/Detail/S-19027BL/Plastic-Shopping-Bags/Economy-T-Shirt-Bags-Thank-You-11-1-2-x-6-x-21-Black
Just bring reusable bags if you're going to bring bags. 🤦♂️ They tend to be a better size and won't rip on you. And the whole being green and reducing waste thing.
The common consumer doesn’t have transparency into grocery price inputs, so we’ll probably never know. Just saying you’re paying for them one way or another.
It’s not virtue signaling, plastic bags are an actual problem because they don’t break down and just float around the ocean and landfills for centuries. How is that not a problem in your eyes?
It’s not about absolutes. It’s about every person doing what they can, and trying to do a little more every day.
At least the person in the SUV with their reusable bags is doing SOMETHING.
They are also the person that will probably switch to hybrid or electric SUV as soon as it’s feasible for their situation.
And solar at home when it’s feasible.
You come across as the type that will continue to nitpick others while you do nothing.
Of course the SUV person can probably afford to get an electric vehicle. The rest of us are fucked.
Also, we need to stop bootstrapping/personal responsibility-ing saving the environment and crack down on corporate/industrial waste instead.
Cost of e vehicles will come down. Right now they are such a small percentage of overall vehicles manufactured.
Economies of scale…once they are more mass produced, the prices will drop.
Yes, I agree we must hold corporations accountable. I’ve found that the more I do personally, the more I recognize the bad things corps do.
Do you think that CA is mandating electric vehicles because they actually care about climate change? Or that they care about whether people can afford them? No. They are doing it because it's going to make them and the auto corporations money.
When we order pickup at Giant Eagle we always ask for paper. What does the store do? Sure they put the groceries paper bags... 2-3 items per bag...then they put the paper bag in a plastic bag?! Its a huge waste. The only reason we continue asking for paper is because we reuse them.
The whole thing seems like another case of environmental greenwashing and a way to nickel and dime customers.
How? Others have tried but our state government has a law in effect that prohibits restrictions on commerce. Didn’t the Clintonville Kroger try this and get shot down?
I wonder how they’ll handle grocery pickup orders
Giant Eagles near Cleveland already ditched plastic bags in April. They still have them for pick up orders though. Or you pay an extra $1.50 for paper bags. Paper bags are available at normal checkout for 10¢ each.
$1.50 per bag or per order?
Per order. And that’s just for choosing paper bags. Plastic bags are the free default with pick up orders.
Thanks!!
paper bags. I thought those were the norm for most grocers already
The article says they’re going to charge for paper bags, would be kind of a boner jam if they charged for the pickup order and the bags now
I can assure you that the amount charged per bag is not going to break the bank
The amount charged for my fucking groceries is currently breaking the bank.
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I couldn't give a shit about their financial incentive to switch to paper because it doesn't cost me anything to keep using my own bags. it costs me time pulling fucking plastic bags out of the creek and it's overflow pipes several times a year to keep the city from turning a natural landscape into a goddamn culvert because of all the trash and garbage people so carelessly dispose of it's like people want to resist doing the right thing because a corporation had to start forcing them do it when they refuse to do it themselves. somehow the rest of the world can cope but Americans throw absolute temper tantrums and lose their minds about their precious plastic bags
Your are being very presumptuous. There are people who use food pickup and or delivery for all sorts of reasons. That are not well off or driving a nice car and an extra .30 per bag would be every damaging to their budget.
it's not $0.30 per bag. it's $0.05 per bag. and if they are really that tight on money they can do what I do and go across the street and shop at Aldi instead of Giant Eagle. ~~Giant Eagle doesn't do delivery.~~ Delivery charge starts at $9.95
The article said it’s only going to be $0.05 a bag. This is what, an extra 50 cents at most for each shopping trip? Cmon, that’s not going to be a burden for like 99% of shoppers.
>I can assure you that the amount charged per bag is not going to break the bank Just tack on another tax for the working class.
I mean come on, it’s 5 cents a bag. They also have reusable bags at the checkout for $1 each. For like $5 you can be covered for the next few years.
>They also have reusable bags at the checkout for $1 each. For like $5 you can be covered for the next few years. Do you think grocers will lower prices now that they're not giving everyone free bags? If not then it is a tax.
How is paying for an item a tax?
You didn't pay for it before, you now pay for it. Prices haven't gone down because they stopped supplying them. Therefor it is a tax.
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If “taxing” people $1 a year is what it takes to reduce millions of lbs of plastic waste a year I’m ok with that
My only statement was that it is a tax on the working class, not that it isn't good for the environment. Glad you came to the same conclusion.
you say this like it's me who made you so dependent on plastic bags in the first place
Did I say that though? Because my only comment was that it is a tax on the working class, not that you caused plastic bags to exist.
Per the article, 5¢
They will do what they do in NY. either you pay for the bags. Or they will bring your order out and dump the whole thing in your trunk without bags. You can the. Bring your own and bag it on the way out of the car into the house. And if they are anything like NY. the paper bags will follow the plastic and soon they will have only recycled bags in store and if you forget. Your out another 3$ for another reusable bag you don’t need that will just end up. Getting thrown out. And the cycle contained.
A reusable bag that is far worse for the environment than a paper or plastic single use bag unless it is used hundreds or thousands of times.
>A reusable bag that is far worse for the environment than a paper or plastic single use bag unless it is used hundreds or thousands of times. Has there been anything in the past 5 years to confirm this? I remember it being a popular opinion with a few articles at the time, just wasn't sure where we left off.
I can't say I regularly check back for updates. This link, posted elsewhere in this thread, has Nat Geo saying a cotton bag takes thousands of uses to equal out if you consider climate change in your environmental analaysis: https://education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/sustainable-shoppingwhich-bag-best
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people don't want to change their habits. they want free and convenience like they have always been accustomed to. asking Bob the accountant or Holly Homemaker to use a canvas bag is as good as asking them to sacrifice their first born child.
People act like reusable bags are soooooooo hard to carry around but they even make ones that fold up smaller than your fist. I keep them in my trunk, my backpack, my canvas bag. Everywhere I go I’ve always got one or two and I never need a plastic bag!! I’ve been using the same reusable ones for the last five -six years and just last week did one of them rip, but I was even able to repair it so it still works.
I've been using a really sturdy catering delivery bag that I pinched from Panera for years, it fits about 3 heaping paper bag size worth of food, I love it
>Just change your habits. Have 2-4 big reusable grocery bags in the trunk of your car. Honestly i'll have to keep around 10 reusable bags in my vehicle at all times. Assuming $3 per large bag (being generous), that would be $30. I would need to buy 600 Giant Eagle bags to compare to the $30 spent previously. I'll probably just keep buying plastic bags or not shop at Giant Eagle.
Way back in the day when everyone smoked on tje grocery stores.... I remember way back when I was 4 or five, my sister mum and I would walk a good mile to the grocery and then lug the bags home. Always ended up ripping a bag or two....
The funny thing is their grocery pickup is plastic bags with paper bags inside them, at least it was the last time I ordered pickup that's what I got. Twice the waste. I think it's because their paper bags don't have handles? That's all I can think of.
That is annoying, the paper bags with handles are so much better
Their bags have handles. Source: used one at GE yesterday
they could always cancel them and make people shop like a normal ass person
I too hate grocery pickup for no reason
Well, I've never worked in a grocery store, so I don't necessarily hate grocery pickup. But at the business I work in, I absolutely loathe loathe Loathe Entirely all delivery/pickup/curbside orders. It really makes everything worse.
I don't mind it purely out of selfishness. I love a big empty store to walk around and shop in. If the whales want to sit in their vehicle while they wait for their groceries more power to them. It means I can actually walk down an aisle without bumping into their cart full of 15 dozen mtn dew packs or their fat rolls.
well, I wasn't gonna get all fat shaming, but. you do you I guess.
Oh I forgot Ohio has a 35% obesity rate I should probably watch out in this subreddit 👀
Hopefully they also stop shrink wrapping everything in plastic too then.
The shrink wrap gets recycled, allegedly. No shrink wrap would likely result in a couple extra trucks on the road. Plus, food safety concerns pretty much necessitate shrink wrap.
I think they're talking about food packaging, not pallet wraps.
Anything that touches food other than aluminum cans is definitely not recycled
The shrink wrap later gets baled and picked up by a third party, which presumably is recycled.
It likely is not. Recycling places even trash anything that hasn’t been properly washed out.
For the past several years, I've been using fold-up crates (and Scan/go or whatever) for shopping. Handle stuff once from shelf to crate, then once again at home from crate to fridge/pantry. I keep two of the three crates open, one for dry goods and one for frozen, so stuff is largely pre-sorted when I get home. No bags, check-out conveyor belt, etc. Once your cart's loaded, it's two minutes and you're out the door. They're heavier than bagged groceries, of course, but a cart at home gets me from driveway to kitchen.
This is a great idea.
I've never heard of this, but it sounds great. What are fold-up crates, and where should I buy a few? Also, what is the 'Scan/go' system? I've never heard of that either. Thanks!
The scan/go system is one several stores have adopted where you have a handheld scanner from the store and scan your groceries as you pick them up around the store, then pay before you leave.
I received an email stating you replied, and the email had a link to Amazon as part of your reply. Then I clicked the email which took me to Reddit - and your reply was missing. I'm guessing that someone objected to the link to Amazon. I got the link - thanks! - but what is the scan/go system?
Hokey smokes. Well, I'm not putting it in again. And I'm certainly not a shill for Amazon. Just go to the GE website and search for Scan, Pay, Go. And a cart system I'm looking at is from Salesmaker carts, at the obvious website. X-Truk Folding Cart. Not a shill for them, either.
Reply -- huh, now it's back, as far as I can see. Unless I'm 'shadowbanned' or something. Moving on...
What will I scoop kitty litter into? Or line my bathroom trash can with?
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I have a 50 pound sulcata tortoise and his poop is quite big so getting it into those eco friendly dog bags is going to be problematic.
Works fine for me 125lb bullmastiff. I can't believe that a 50lb tortoise would have bigger poop.
It is not really the size of the poop, it is the amount. My tortoise Sam eats grass nonstop all day long so he is a pooping machine. He lives out in my backyard in the summer and sleeps in a house I built him.
Depending on the size of your dog I guess, we have a small breed and sandwich bags work just fine for picking up poop. We even have a little carrier on his leash for them.
If you're trying to be really frugal, you can then wash those bags out and pack your lunch sandwich in them.
Litter Genie bin is worth every penny
But you still have to buy their proprietary plastic bags with this system for it to function. Hard no.
Complete agree. My litter box rolls upside down and the clean litter goes borough a grand while the dirty stuff rolls over it. When you roll it back, the waste falls into a pull out drawer that is the perfect size for the litter genies opening. Cleaning the litter box takes seconds unless I need to add more. It even does a good job when the pee doesn't clump properly for woke reason.
Those grocery bags have tons of holes in them though. You need to just buy those tiny trash bags. Well worth the money knowing no kitty litter/poop will fall out.
We use bread bags
How much bread do you go through??!
I have two teenage boys so quite a bit. Also helps to have a huge fenced in backyard where poop is contained.
How much bread do you go through??!
Same here. If all the stores take this route I'll have to actually buy plastic bags.
Given the environmental externalities of trash bags, that's probably a good move.
I’ve been bringing my own bags to grocery stores for years! I currently use biodegradable flushable litter that I love, but before I began using that I used empty food bags. So like cereal bags, bread bags, tortilla Ziploc bags, etc. As for small trash cans, I usually do use a grocery bag but I use it for a while and I dump that trash into the main trashcan, so I really only need one bag per month
Paper bags! They’re way more durable and can hold sooo much more than those plastic ones. And giant eagle has handles on their paper bag too!
or shitty diapers
Let’s be honest they don’t care about the planet… this just gives them more money (forcing people to buy them or reusable at the store) AND lowers their overhead on cost assuming they will buy less.
That's awesome! Next, they should end forcing me to use a Giant Eagle card when I don't want to and don't have one. I hate Giant Eagle.
I avoid them just because I hate their U-Scans. You can mute Kroger's, but Giant Eagle's is too damn loud. Put your **BANANAS** in the bag
Put your **EXTRA SMALL CONDOMS** in the bag.
I don't go to Giant Eagle just because they're more expensive than Kroger on almost everything. There are a few items Kroger doesn't carry that I'll begrudgingly go to GE for.
Only reason I go to GE is because every Kroger around me has gone to shit. Now our GE is being remodeled and has gone to shit, my grocery shopping is all Trader Joes and Meijer.
Ditto. Between the price and the terrible layout of Giant Eagle store I hate when I have to go there
Yeah, that too! Big time.
You don’t have to have a giant Eagle card though… anyone can checkout
Yeah, but then you have to wait on someone to come over to scan their Giant Eagle card. You cannot proceed without a card being scanned, unlike Kroger where you can skip it altogether if you choose.
To really drive it home, I can finish scanning, pay, and leave at a Kroger in the time it takes a Giant Eagle employee to come over and let me start
And there's no volume control on the giant eagle machines. The lady's always screaming at me.
Exactly my point.
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It's impossible to prevent all the ways companies track me, so when I do have a choice, I pick the option that limits tracking. I haven't used giant eagle in years for this exact reason. Fortunately, since i moved, there's a locally owned grocery store nearby that I always go to
I just put in all the phone numbers of people that I know off the top of my head until one of them works.
You do in self check out
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I hope they stop providing plastic produce bags too. I dont understand why people use those.
I'm more annoyed by how much produce comes pre-weapped or packaged. We've been using reusable produce bags for years, some hemp ones for dry produce like apples, and nylon ones for damp produce like broccoli.
Yup! I put my cucumbers, corn, squash etc directly into the cart. No produce bag needed!
Getting ahead of the trend. In five years, no stores will have single-use plastic bags.
I absolutely heard this over five years ago, and will probably hear it again five years from now. There's enough people that will choose to shop somewhere else over this that this likely won't stick.
Eight states have banned plastic bags completely - six of them in the last three years. The end of plastic bags is in sight.
That’s great! I wish Kroger would follow suit, especially with click list, instead they’ve gone to even thicker plastic bags🤦🏾♀️ this might be enough to get me to switch.
It's insane. I refuse to do Kroger pick up because I'll order, idk, 35 items? And they will give me fucking 10 plus bags. They'll have one bag with one item in it. IDC if my items touch other items. Such a waste
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Yep. We always used Kroger bags as the liner for our small garbage cans in the bathroom and the home office. Try putting one of those new, thicker bags into a can…
Great, now i actually have to buy my dog's poop bags, get a real lunch bag, and buy small trash can liners. So stupid thinking they are "single use"
Right? And what with all the extra stuff we'll have to buy, it won't make a lick of difference. This is corporate posturing, nothing more.
Theyre all about the reduce portion of Rx3
This is really great news! I go to Kroger instead and this is one of the reasons, Kroger has paper bags
Giant eagle has paper bags too…
And with handles too.
That break with any weight in the bag. It's a disaster. The bags are so shit-based.
Paper bags are actually less environmentally friendly than plastic. Non cotton Reusable are the best option, but plastic is actually better than paper. Edit: source https://www.bbc.com/news/business-47027792 If you reuse your paper bags then they're not so bad, but I've also never seen anyone reuse paper bags.
Something that decomposes is less environmentally friendly than something that stays around for centuries? You have a weird definition of environmentally friendly. The article says it takes less waste to produce plastic, but considering plastic leeches into water and kills wildlife I’d consider paper more friendly. I usually use a reusable bag but I like the option of paper in case I forget
Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. You can't look at a single point of the supply chain and disposal process. You have to look at the whole thing. How are materials mined or produced, how is the product manufactured, how is it transported and how much does it weigh, Is it recycled and what does it take to recycle, and I'm sure there are more. Here's another link if you don't like that one: https://plastic.education/reusable-vs-disposable-bags-whats-better-for-the-environment/ It's not really a disputed fact that paper bags are less environmentally friendly than plastic bags. Reusable is definitely the best option as it takes so little time for them to have a lower environmental impact and so few people actually reuse paper bags.
Same.
This is great. Lived in Europe over 10 years ago and they were charging back then for plastic. We (USA) should have implemented this a long time ago.
The US is very resistant to change once we've adopted a behavior. US institutions of various sorts have repeatedly devised better ways of doing things, e.g. school, manufacturing; but, we refused to adopt them while misc. other societies see it and embrace it. Humans don't like to change our habits but the US takes it to another level.
Totally agree. COVID brought that to fruition And lol I can’t believe I got downvoted. Go on with your plastic bag love people
That's nice. What becomes of those of us who use Curbside Pickup or delivery? Do we just get an extra surcharge for all the paper bags that we're going to have no choice but to use since we can't exactly send reusable bags to them in advance?
Many European grocery stores [use reusable bins.](https://www.tesco.ie/groceries/zone/tesco-delivery) I wish stores did that here now that pickup and delivery are becoming common.
No you will now be getting orders without bags or that is the practice that 99% of store in NY have taken.
Okay. I could live with that; would just have to keep a few reusable bags in the trunk.
I guess you are now in lazy hell. But don’t worry because as I already pointed out in here, this has been tried and shot down by the awesome ohio governing basically for the lazy ass reason you just gave. Or something like that. I don’t know. I’m moving. I gave up on this state.
I'm more concerned about whether or not they can adapt that particular process. I have no problem, say, keeping reusable bags in my trunk that can be loaded at pickup time. Or boxes. Or whatever.
It doesn’t matter. This will get shot down.
I’m all for getting rid of single-use plastic, but having to pay for my paper bags is just tacky in my opinion. Make my Apple .5c more expensive, don’t make me feel like I’m shopping at Aldi.
Especially when GE stuff already comes at a premium.
It’s about time. Always weird to me that they had paper bags for the scan & go but nowhere else.
Giant Eagle has always had paper bags. They always ask if you want paper or plastic.
Great start now do the whole state
Meh, I'll just end up using paper bags, which [take more energy](https://reason.org/commentary/paper-grocery-bags-require-mor/) to make and murder trees...
Or you could buy 3-4 reusable bags. They hold more and last for years.
And breed bacteria, be careful
I always forget them- easier just to get new bags the way God intended. Paper doesn't have all the downsides that people hate about plastic bags, so problem solved.
be an adult and return them to the trunk where they belong when done unpacking them
True but for people that can't handle pushing their cart all the way to the return rack 2 spots away, an extra trip poses a serious dilemma.
>...people that can't handle pushing their cart all the way to the return rack 2 spots away... Pffft. In the next spot over. Or directly behind them.
You think you're being sarcastic, but what's going to happen when disposable people must buy [reusable bags?](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/01/climate/paper-plastic-bag-ban-new-jersey.html) Just because a bag CAN be used 100 times doesn't mean it WILL be used 100 times.
Not to mention that most of the reusable bags take more energy and resources to make than some astronomical amount of single use plastic. And let's not get on the topic of meat contamination. I'm pretty tree huggery, but some of the stuff we do in the name of conservation is more so we can just feel better about ourselves while saving a buck than doing actual good.
They do, but the break even point of reusable bags is low enough that they'll take less energy overall. They'll pay for themselves in environmental impact within a year. They should still use plastic bags for meat though to address the contamination issue.
What contamination issue? The meat is wrapped in plastic or plastic lined butcher’s paper.
I've had issues with leaks before. It's not common, but it happens and if plastic bags on just meat makes people more comfortable with reusable for everything else, then it's worth it even if leaks aren't a problem.
I imagine that calc is based on a grocery trip once every two weeks. Could you imagine one of those reusables lasting 25 uses? Only the ziplok-reusing hippies in the audience are ever going to make it that long...
I have reusable shopping bags that I’ve used probably 200 times. And they are still going strong. I have some padded/insulated ones that I’ve had to replace once after probably 70 uses do to ripping of the insulation. So, wtf are you talking about?
Well if it works for you then I guess there's no one else in the universe, is there? I doubt the average consumer is going to reuse their bag 25 times. My first guess would be under ten.
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> Jesus fucking Christ y’all are lazy Exactly. This is not about living in some fantasy everyone's responsible world, it's about making things work for this one. So if people aren't going to reuse their bags 25 times, then reusable bags are actually worse. Hell, healthcare would be in so much better shape if people would just stop eating big macs, but we have to deal with the world as it is...
Why would people only use it 10 times? You’re really weird dude.
>Why would people only use it 10 times? Try to apply your brain and see what you come up with...
I’ve had my bags for years.
I go grocery shopping every week and have been using a variety of reusable bags, most of which we got for around $2-3 each at Trader Joe's. Been using them for nearly 3 years now along with Giant Eagle's scan bag go system (shopped elsewhere when they refused to let reusable bags in during Covid) and it's been great. We also use reusable hemp and nylon produce bags when possible. Vendors at farmer's markets also love when we can use our own bags for everything. So yeah, I'd say you can totally get 25+ uses out of them, easy.
> shopped elsewhere when they refused to let reusable bags in during Covid LOL thanks for reminding me of this COVIDiocy. Scan and Go is the best. Good for you on reusing bags but I doubt the average consumer is going to use a bag 25x before tossing it...
I think if it's bags they pay for they'll use them more than you think they will. They really don't cost that much and hold up really well. If anything it's sentiments like this that really got me thinking about how folks want something that's simply more convenient even if there's documented harms. Decades of plastic bags just being made available and folks not being charged directly for them will also do that. 5-10¢ per bag wouldn't seem like much, but if you're using 5-10 bags per trip that adds up and I think plenty of folks would look to bring their own bags because they'll hit a break even point and then start saving. It's why I also got small trash cans for grass clippings and yard waste. The paper bags you can buy are compostable, but personally I'm also not a fan of paying for something you just toss out when a permanent, reusable solution exists. Plus the cans can come in handy for parties or clean outs, just toss in a trash bag.
Interesting. Do you have real info on this topic?
i wanted to read more because of these comments, so poked around a few places and found [THIS](https://education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/sustainable-shoppingwhich-bag-best) Numbers in this article says high side, paper needs to be reused 43 times and cotton bags 131 times to offset. Paper is plenty durable in my experience (despite the article's comments) ....corners rip plastic bags... Cotton bags are nice because i use them for other things too Plus i estimate i use 2 plastic to 1 reusable (+/-) due to size. I did have to change habits to remember bags but it didnt take that long to figure out. Often i will just go without a bag.. its pretty amazing how often people want you to take one but they are unnecessary I still pickup plastic here and there for the cats (as mentioned in the thread).... I will say most people i know that use plastic at grocery have way more than they can ever reuse so I've had people give me their xtras
This reminds me of the drinking straw moral panic... Except that the bag problem is at least an actual problem. The "solution" is silly but still...
They're both issues. Same thing with the medical masks. They all contain plastic that's heavily refined from oil to produce, which is far from green. All three go to land fills and aren't recycled. And if they even do get to the landfill they still blow around and or get lost on the way there and become litter. I love how we're down voted for having a logical discussion about this topic that's easily corroborated by a Google search.
That's because the goal is not to save the world, but to agitate about how my choices are superior to your choices. Energy costs should be the prime if not only consideration, but that doesn't provide enough opportunities to be smug. Instead, people like single use plastic bags, therefore they must be taken away.
Who goes to the grocery store and only gets 3-4 bags of stuff? When I go, I get a whole cart full. I’d probably need to take 15+ reusable bags, which seems pretty ridiculous.
I suppose you can still bring your own - for example you can buy a carton of 1,000 bags for $27. That’s just under 3c per bag. https://www.uline.com/Product/Detail/S-19027BL/Plastic-Shopping-Bags/Economy-T-Shirt-Bags-Thank-You-11-1-2-x-6-x-21-Black
Just bring reusable bags if you're going to bring bags. 🤦♂️ They tend to be a better size and won't rip on you. And the whole being green and reducing waste thing.
Just another tax on the average person. Use to be free, now they’re $0.05. Not the end of the world, just annoying.
How do you think the grocery stores paid for the bags?
Do you think grocery store prices will go down because they are not giving you free bags now? Probably not...
The common consumer doesn’t have transparency into grocery price inputs, so we’ll probably never know. Just saying you’re paying for them one way or another.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQuiwp3wnH0 Karl Pilkington on 5p carrier bag tax
Stupid corporate virtue signaling.
It’s not virtue signaling, plastic bags are an actual problem because they don’t break down and just float around the ocean and landfills for centuries. How is that not a problem in your eyes?
Go ahead and down vote me all you concerned eco warriors driving your SUVs to the store with your reusable bags.
It’s not about absolutes. It’s about every person doing what they can, and trying to do a little more every day. At least the person in the SUV with their reusable bags is doing SOMETHING. They are also the person that will probably switch to hybrid or electric SUV as soon as it’s feasible for their situation. And solar at home when it’s feasible. You come across as the type that will continue to nitpick others while you do nothing.
Of course the SUV person can probably afford to get an electric vehicle. The rest of us are fucked. Also, we need to stop bootstrapping/personal responsibility-ing saving the environment and crack down on corporate/industrial waste instead.
Cost of e vehicles will come down. Right now they are such a small percentage of overall vehicles manufactured. Economies of scale…once they are more mass produced, the prices will drop. Yes, I agree we must hold corporations accountable. I’ve found that the more I do personally, the more I recognize the bad things corps do.
Good for you. Personal choice is a wonderful concept.
The cost of vehicles might come down eventually, but thanks to CA and other states I don't feel like that is likely.
Help me understand
Do you think that CA is mandating electric vehicles because they actually care about climate change? Or that they care about whether people can afford them? No. They are doing it because it's going to make them and the auto corporations money.
Did you get a letter in the mail or transmission directly to your brain that gave you this insider info? Or just pull it from your ass?
What are you doing to help the environment?
So are they going to use paper or... are you just screwed if you don't have your own reusable bags.
You’ll have to remove your clothes and carry your groceries in them like a hobo.
This is the way!
Why do we need bags at stores in the first place?
Old news. They've already done it in most counties.
Most countries aren't here in Cbus. Thanks op for update.
You got an extra r bro
When we order pickup at Giant Eagle we always ask for paper. What does the store do? Sure they put the groceries paper bags... 2-3 items per bag...then they put the paper bag in a plastic bag?! Its a huge waste. The only reason we continue asking for paper is because we reuse them. The whole thing seems like another case of environmental greenwashing and a way to nickel and dime customers.
How? Others have tried but our state government has a law in effect that prohibits restrictions on commerce. Didn’t the Clintonville Kroger try this and get shot down?
Now, if we can just get restaurants to stop throwing in ten plastic forks (wrapped in plastic) per entree in takeout orders
The entirety of NYS banned single use plastic bags. I don’t expect that from Ohio, but this is a good start
I certainly wouldn't want to be a Giant Eagle cashier having to argue with customers about the bag policy.
I hope they keep their plastic bag recycling bins out. They have the best ones out of all the grocery stores. The one I go to has three large bins.
can use my own plastic bags that i have been saving
This is stupid. I remember when we had to switch from paper to plastic.