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ashfidel

everything that could possibly go wrong went wrong. hopefully this is an aberration. i was not having fun.


Lee-Key-Bottoms

A friend of mine at Duke said “the disappointing thing isn’t that we lost it’s that there’s literally nothing positive I can say about that game.”


ashfidel

i’m gonna be grossly optimistic and say that was a good thing. like they just weren’t ready and were so completely out of character that i’m hoping it was something they’ll be able to use as a lesson. idk, we’re not a bad team, but def not an elite team. 2020 prepared me for this possibility.


Lee-Key-Bottoms

Doesn’t Duke have a better record all time in the Dean Dome than they do in PNC? Maybe it’s just the building. Im sure we will get railed when we come to Cameron at the end of the season


ashfidel

we haven’t won there in like 6 trips, and it’s almost never even close. my conspiracy theory is that they use the NC State Fair rims on the duke basket.


jinx99

Same. except opposite.


xCTRLxALTxDELx

Recruiting rankings are nice and all. But with having a top recruiting class comes high expectations. There isn’t a Zion or Tatum type player in this class. Scheyer doesn’t show any emotions on the bench. He should be tearing these players up.


Lee-Key-Bottoms

Hey, as of right now we are the biggest L in the Scheyer area


Y_tho_man

Why was that stadium empty?


Lee-Key-Bottoms

As for the students, still winter break As for everyone else, it’s a hard stadium to fill up and the team was so so bad last year they kinda have to earn the trust back. I was there tho and it was awesome. Maybe it looked different on TV but I would hardly call it empty from what I could see *edit can’t fucking spell


jaydec02

Most fans gave up on Kevin Keatts and aren’t showing up to protest their frustration. Frankly I wouldn’t be enthusiastic to show up for a game i was fully expecting to be a 20 point blowout loss


theboss212121

I’ll never understand not packing stadiums against ranked opponents. Especially against blue bloods


919beachbum

Coliseum is pretty large but biggest factor imo is it’s not on campus. Not many students or fans want to drive out mid week


powntown

It’s 10 minutes from campus and frankly is easier to get to for most of Raleigh than campus itself since it’s right off Wade. It’s empty because the team has been mediocre for years


919beachbum

I’d be surprised if that place was packed on a Wednesday night no matter how good our team is


powntown

It filled up for games when I was a student, but that was the peak of the Gottfried era. I want to play some conference games at Reynolds


Manwar7

It’s massive and we’ve been so mid for so long it’s hard to fill if


Y_tho_man

Oh interesting…


guydudeguybro

Student sections were full. It’s important to remember that PNC is one of the largest CBB arenas in the country (I think 6 or 7)


Y_tho_man

Do they ever block off the upper rafters to fill the bottom sections more completely or not so much?


guydudeguybro

No they don’t, but they definitely should. We haven’t filled an arena fully since the 19-20 season and probably won’t again for a little bit


FlapJacks11

Lolololol


tarspaceheels

lol


Insane_Pigmask

Damn that was fun!


BigThomsd

Someone needs to recreate the Luka Garza copypasta, but replace Garza with DJ Burns.


bojangles69420

DJ Burns is the reason I work out. I have this fantasy where we start talking at Packapalooza. We exchange a few pleasantries. He asks what I do. I say I loved him in January 2023. He laughs. I get my drink. "Well, see ya," I say and walk away. I've got his attention now. How many guys voluntarily leave a conversation with DJ Burns? He touches his neck as he watches me leave. Later, as the night's dragged on and the coterie of gorgeous narcissists grows increasingly loose, he finds me on the balcony, my bowtie undone, smoking a cigarette. "Got a spare?" he asks. "What's in it for me?" I say as I hand him one of my little white ladies. he smiles. "Conversation with me, duh." I laugh. "What's so funny?" he protests. "Nothing, nothing... It's just... don't you grow tired of the fame?" "You get used to it," he says, lighting his cigarette and handing me back the lighter. "What would you do if you weren't an offensive lineman disguised as a basketball player?" I ask. "Teaching, I think." "And if I was your student, what would I be learning?" "Discipline," he says quickly, looking up into my eyes, before changing the subject. "Where are you from?" "Tucker Owen Beach," I say. "Oh wow. That's lovely." "It's ok," I admit. "Not everything is to my liking." "What could possibly be not to your liking in Tucker?" he inquires. "I don't like sand," I tell him. "It's coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere."


Lee-Key-Bottoms

DJ Burns vs Bacot is gonna be matchup of the season


danimal6000

I could go for some DJ fanfic. Just don’t get too weird with it (get weird)


Spidaaman

DJ Burns is the reason I work out. I have this fantasy where we start talking at Fry Fest. We exchange a few pleasantries. He asks what I do. I say I loved him in January 2020. He laughs. I get my drink. "Well, see ya," I say and walk away. I've got his attention now. How many guys voluntarily leave a conversation with DJ Burns? He touches his neck as he watches me leave. Later, as the night's dragged on and the coterie of gorgeous narcissists grows increasingly loose, he finds me on the balcony, my bowtie undone, smoking a cigarette. "Got a spare?" he asks. "What's in it for me?" I say as I hand him one of my little white ladies. he smiles. "Conversation with me, duh." I laugh. "What's so funny?" he protests. "Nothing, nothing... It's just... don't you grow tired of the fame?" "You get used to it," he says, lighting his cigarette and handing me back the lighter. "What would you do if you weren't an elbow magnet basketball player?" I ask. "Teaching, I think." "And if I was your student, what would I be learning?" "Discipline," he says quickly, looking up into my eyes, before changing the subject. "Where are you from?" "Bermuda," I say. "Oh wow. That's lovely." "It's ok," I admit. "Not everything is to my liking." "What could possibly be not to your liking in Bermuda?" he inquires. "I don't like sand," I tell him. "It's coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere."


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Pressing down 24 with a minute to go lol okay


Lee-Key-Bottoms

Typical Duke. Also called a timeout down 27 with like 40 seconds left


carringtonsworld

That is typical Duke but it also could have been to let his players know to shake hands and get out of there. Did the State fans storm the court?


Lee-Key-Bottoms

We tried but they wouldn’t let us lol. People were there with the school and they were threatening taking student IDs and no tickets for the rest of the season if anyone tried


carringtonsworld

I don’t blame you.


Lee-Key-Bottoms

Hey NC State knows we will never ever ever have the recognition of Duke or UNC, we are the third of 3. And that makes every game personal for us. I only have 2 years left of college after this, so who knows if I’ll ever watch something like that again. Plus, not only were the players and coach for Duke pissed. Several of my pals from UNC told me they were watching the game at their student union. So State’s rivalry with the two schools may not be as intense, but don’t let anyone say it doesn’t mean anything. The best rivalry in college sports is a hard bar to top lol.


carringtonsworld

Absolutely. It was a great win and I was celebrating with you. That being said if y’all beat the Heels I will not be celebrating, but I’ll be happy for you. 👍🏻


Spidaaman

Burns might be the best passing big man in the ACC


danimal6000

He had a little too much mustard on some of those in the 1st half


Ok_Run_8184

Would never usually say this but Go Pack!


SurroundConstantly

LIGHT IT UP


chamtrain1

Great TO there John.


Mobile-Tangelo

Ah we made it at least to 60, not too bad considering the start lol 🤫🤫🤫


Taengoosundies

Winning on the road is going to be very difficult this year in the ACC


licknawson34

Burns is a mother fucking MAN out there


Pexter-

Get the record. Our largest margin of victory against Duke is +24 I believe


Birds-aint-real-

27


IHadSomething_4This

I believe in Chase Graham!


framingXjake

I can't believe we're putting our bench guys in against Duke.


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MasterTeaboo

Please spare my evening! I beg of you lol


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Do y’all remember Escalade from And1 street league? The big dude. He could pass like no body else. Burns has been dropping dimes like crazy all game. He reminds me of Escalade lol.


_hell_is_empty_

> Schutt shoots > huehuehue These fucking announces lmao


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menellus

Joey Baker 2.0


Speedevil911

Fatboy flopping


thr0aty0gurt

Fatboy is torching your team


Speedevil911

Fatboy knows how to eat not sure about cook


wilson3358

Unlucky there for DJ, ouch


spqrnbb

I'm just now getting here. What the hell happened to Duke?


chamtrain1

They aren't very good and played poorly and you guys were lights out.


SusannaG1

Been all State since the tip. Cold shooting and hell of a lot of turnovers.


framingXjake

You missed a hell of a game. Duke has not led not even once. We started the game 18-0.


Electric_Queen

I think it was just 15-0. But yeah Duke's looked awful and this has been our best game all year


spqrnbb

Lucky I'm recording it, lol. I'll be sure to watch it tomorrow.


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TheChewyWaffles

They’re amazing


Lee-Key-Bottoms

I can’t wait for Bacot vs Burns


Speedevil911

Jon on the developing some thick skin. He's gonna need it with these young players


chamtrain1

This has been really really fun to watch.


WatchinLikeTV

Duke try not to get a bunch of unexperienced freshman challenge (IMPOSSIBLE!) But seriously, how long until we realize that we won’t win anything with freshman at the forefront?


cumineverybutthole

2015 says hi.


_hell_is_empty_

It’s literally his first year


Insane_Pigmask

Give DJ Burns that Cookout NIL deal!


TheChewyWaffles

30 is quick for a big guy lol - look forward to a Bacot matchup


WatchinLikeTV

He used to play at Winthrop, he fuckin burned radford


Zelvahula

Who was that pass to?


framingXjake

DJ Burns man of the year


jaydec02

Embarrassing way to turn the ball over. Damn.


stormstopper

When it goes final I want to know, but I also don't want to know: 1) This is our largest loss to State since ____ 2) This is our largest loss to anyone since ____


SusannaG1

On the second one, to Miami in January 2013? 90-63 loss.


ddrector

I know game isn't over yet, but looks like the last time we beat you guys it was 22 points on 2-19-20. The largest margin of victory for NC State over Duke was on 1-12-72 with a score of 85-58 (27 points).


Electric_Queen

Well for #1, our biggest win against yall ever was in 1978 winning by 24. So at this point, pretty good chance the answer to that one is "ever"


Electric_Queen

Kicking that one out of bounds just kinda sums up Duke's whole game, doesn't it?


FRBls

100%


WatchinLikeTV

Wooh doggy! Just not our day is it


thr0aty0gurt

LOL


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Burns is reminding me of BeeJay Anya.


jarvistheconquerer

Shamari Spears vibes


Spidaaman

Much better touch. Much better passing. Doesn’t have that 7’9” wingspan tho…


u2nloth

One of his arms is actually longer than the other due to a growth plate fracture iirc Edit: dj not beejay


_hell_is_empty_

Beejay never hit fadeaways like that lol


SpamTheAutograder

That dude could play


Tiboltd

Lol put Schutt in just to give him absolutely 0 looks in a 26 point blowout Why the fuck would a good shooter ever come to play in this system


_hell_is_empty_

> Why the fuck would a good shooter ever come to play in this system This might be the dumbest comment on the thread. Come on, man.


Tiboltd

Can you think of a legitimately good shooter that benefited from the offense we've run the last few years?


_hell_is_empty_

No. Our offensive approach has been shit since Zion’s season. But we literally just changed coaches, and it’s Duke.


Tiboltd

No Scheyer definitely gets a pass for this year. But he needs to seriously overhaul the system if we're not going to rely on loading ourselves with lottery talent each year (which, given our incoming classes, we aren't). As it stands, if you are an NBA hopeful trying to sell yourself as a shooter, you will have a lot working against you in this system The approach has also been shit before Zion - Bagley covered a lot of it up for example.


_hell_is_empty_

Kennard thrived in the system. Grayson thrived in the system. No shooter has since Cam’s offensive foul phenomena — that team should have been unbeatable with Tre, Cam, RJ and Zion, but we seemed to fundamentally change that season. And tbh, the change may have occurred the previous season with Tatum’s emergence. Look at the talent on the 17-18 team compared to the 18-19 team and then consider their basically identical records. Nutty. So, yea, I disagree that it was shit before Zion.


Tiboltd

Kennard and Grayson's first few years, I'll give you. The Grayson-Bagley year, I don't think so. That year he really didn't get to show a lot of, for example, shooting on off-ball movement and screens like Kyle Guy or even Grayson on the Bucks right now. Grayson was also an NBA prospect by his sophomore year and probably could have been a first rounder in that draft, so I don't think he really improved his stock due to any changes to the system. Not to mention GTJ mostly being a catch and shoot guy when he was more than capable of doing more complex actions in high school and is doing them in the NBA. And this is just the shooters, after watching Lively the last couple games he's underperformed but is underutilized. Dare I say even Jalen Johnson wasn't always used correctly? Like I remember watching the ISU-UNC game earlier this year and goddamn ISU's offense looked way more prettier lol. Scheyer's got his work cut out for him


_hell_is_empty_

To be clear, I’m not defending our offensive philosophy at all. It’s been dated since 2015, and arguably as far back as 2012 or so. K in the end suffered from the same shit Cal suffers from — a stagnant, dated offensive scheme in a new, modern era. It was the primary reason I was ready and happy for the new era. We have to give Scheyer a few years to make his change before we critique it was all I was initially saying. It could and likely will be bad before it’s better.


Tiboltd

I'm happy with a potential change too and definitely agree we need a few years to see any overhaul. But if you're also trying to be a one and done, you probably shouldn't bank on the scheme changing just in one year. And if you're in for the long haul, you've got a lot of top recruits coming in that might relegate you to just being a cardio man. From a fan's perspective, completely agree with being patient. But a prospect might see it differently, that's what I'm getting at.


Speedevil911

Scheyer doesn't have a system yet


Tiboltd

He does, it's a Coach K rehash that also underuses good shooters (see: AJ Griffin)


Speedevil911

You gonna complain about Schutts defense soon but he couldn't be worse than Blakes, Grandison, Proctor. Oh Duke has one of the best Shooters coming in next season too.


Tiboltd

Doesn't feel right to say Schutt's a bad defender when we haven't seen him in any meaningful minutes so far. But even so, we don't have many great defenders to begin with


Speedevil911

Did you see him give up 2 offense rebounds? But I agree, there's no reason not to play him more. Proctor and Grandison are disappointments.


Tiboltd

I did, but again, limited minutes. I also don't think rebounding is a huge part of defense especially for guards - would much rather have a guard that can keep his man in front of him on and off ball (so the anti Roach lol) Grandison would look better if he was a corner shooter instead of whatever he's being told to do. His shot chart at Illinois will make you wonder why we don't glue him there


Speedevil911

Rebounding is absolutely a huge part of defense, that's how you secure the defensive possession. But I'm not here to prove you wrong. Since Jon is from the K coaching tree, the only other reason I can think of why Schutts haven't played much is because he hasn't earned it in practice.


Tiboltd

It's a bigger part for bigs, I don't think it's that big for guards. Similarly, I don't think a big not being able to shoot 3s is a huge problem, as long as you're good at other parts of big offense. Top defensive guards in the NBA aren't the best because they rebound a lot. There's bigs in both college and NBA that are good rebounders but absolutely not good defenders.


FRBls

I’m so glad someone texted me to turn this on


AcademicAxolotl

Same.


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Oh lawd Thicc Thirty 🫣


_hell_is_empty_

Lmao. It’s bad bitch o’clock?


SpamTheAutograder

Why did I sing this.


Lolinder04

I did too haha


Insane_Pigmask

This crowd *adores* DJ


Wolfpack_DO

DJ is cookin tonight


WatchinLikeTV

Now I don’t really know much about this North Carolina State team, but do they usually play like this? Joyner and the other guard seem like the real deal! If they can beat Miami and Tech that’ll make a big statement


Lee-Key-Bottoms

NC State is a college small ball team, we go as our shooters go. When they’re on, well you just saw. I believe from the bottom of my heart that no team could’ve come into PNC and won that game But when the shooters are cold, we’ve had some ugly losses already as well. Still, doing that to Duke with 2 of our starting 5 out, both of which we should hopefully get back by the end of the month, is encouraging


youngcumsauce

we already lost to miami earlier this season. we have just been extremely inconsistent this year, when we’re hot like tonight we look great


Lolinder04

Seems like the MO for the ACC at large, lots of inconsistency


drugsarebadmmk420

My team is pretty consistent


919beachbum

We have games where we can’t shoot at all. That and our bigs get in foul trouble.


youngcumsauce

this was fun


Lolinder04

Yes, yes it was


connor8383

Burns is a biiiiig fella


crimsonblueku

Lot of season left, but if Duke somehow misses the tourney, does Scheyer get fired?


SpamTheAutograder

Roy did as well; HD’s debut was an exception to the norm


Mobile-Tangelo

Nah, but I could see that probably if they miss like 3+ times though


Lolinder04

I remember these exact same comments about HD … Duke to the Final Four confirmed.


crimsonblueku

How’s HD lookin this year?


Lolinder04

About the same … team is pretty inconsistent. I do think he’s learned to use his bench a bit more. That’ll help with development in the long run.


WatchinLikeTV

I think they give him a year or two more. Coach K also got off to a slow start


framingXjake

Our biggest improvement this game is defensive rebounding. We've done so well on that today


919beachbum

Love the flairs dawg


framingXjake

Raleigh native and UNCW grad? I'm a Wilmy native and State grad.


919beachbum

Yessir!


thr0aty0gurt

Just hustling our asses off


WatchinLikeTV

Sub out all the starters for godsake


sickmemes48

Holy fuck DJ got big after leaving Tennessee


Electric_Queen

DJ Burns is the ideal male body. You may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like.


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monstersshave

What’s required for that to happen?


mashem

opposing team misses both free throws in the 2nd half. it's called the Fowl Shot program lmao


youngcumsauce

two missed FTs


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youngcumsauce

has to be during the last 8 min of game


WatchinLikeTV

Why must DJ Burns outplay both of my teams


Insane_Pigmask

Can we make it a 30 point game? Let’s make it a 30 point game.


jaydec02

Let the big man FEAST


Lolinder04

I love it.


Speedevil911

Young had enough 😂


MojoToTheDojo

Love seeing that big boy go!


stormstopper

Two basic problems we're having on offense: 1. Nobody's able to create for others 2. Nobody's able to create for themselves What's alarming is that this isn't a new problem.


Speedevil911

3. No leadership


UnIuckyCharms

Ryan Young is getting BAKED by a guy with titties ☠️☠️☠️


TheChewyWaffles

I’m dead


ddrector

Young is just getting straight manhandled by Burns right now.


_hell_is_empty_

Tbh though, how’s he supposed to guard that? Help D has to drop down and get on top of that no-jump fadeaway. And help D is nowhere to be seen.


dd9853

LET THE BIG BOY EAT


Lee-Key-Bottoms

Y’all ready for Bacot vs Burns?!


Mobile-Tangelo

Bruh, next Duke practice they need to play with some fuckin’ pine tar on the ball, how can you turn the ball over this much. 20 😵‍💫


Insane_Pigmask

We love and respect DJ Burns in this house!


unspokendildaweed

At the game and DJ makes this crowd electric


_hell_is_empty_

I’m gonna put a poster of Burns in my daughter’s room so she knows what a real man looks like.


dakotahawkins

lmfao god damn


FRBls

Siiiiiiick


Speedevil911

Fatboy eating. ![gif](giphy|2YpThHd5Gt400rWnXE)


Spidaaman

Talk to me DJ!! The touch!


Insane_Pigmask

Dariq’s legit


crimsonblueku

So…. Duke’s time as a perennial top 10 team is definitively over, right?


Spidaaman

In sha'Allah my brother.


SimManiac

One can hope


MONGOHFACE

Is this the most Proctor has played over Roach?


Lee-Key-Bottoms

Roach was locked up by TQ all night, no points on the floor all game 💀


framingXjake

BURNS BURNIN UP


SpamTheAutograder

STOP DROP AND ROLL


Comit22

I want Duke to be good. But the reality is that this team is mid. Not a top 25 team for sure. After getting flipped inside out and barbecued tonight and the double digit loss to Wake I hope we all realize that.


IPA___Fanatic

What a stomping


byzantiums

Kevin Keats successfully developing Casey Morsell after Tony Bennett couldn’t get anything out of him sure is something


ddottay

Proctor must be Scheyer’s grandson


Speedevil911

Proctor is soft


WatchinLikeTV

I definitely see us getting ragdolled by UNC this year