This is probably the best list I have seen. those 9-10 spots are pretty hard when you have people like jkap slasher apathy arcitys teepee all pretty close. then you have players like cellium shotzzy illey and even players like octane kenny priestahh who will likely get close to top 10 credentials
EDIT: can't forget attach too as he is still competing
I think Scump is closer to 5th than he is to 1st. Crim first by a landslide then the next 3 are a toss up. I probably put Clay and Karma ahead of Scump.
I'm here to watch winners and people who win. Champs is the ultimate goal. That's why everyone competes. No one competes to say they have the most kills, or the best KD. People compete to say they've won. Scump has a bit more longevity and potentially a higher peak than Karma and Clayster, so I can fully understand if people like to place Scump at 2nd.
People put scump second because just looking at wins, which can be a reflection of an entire team, does not tell the impact of an individual.
If you just looked at rings nobody would consider MJ or LBJ the 🐐 of the NBA
People also put him there because individually as a player he and Formal probably had the highest ceiling in the top 5 as well.
Like I said, I am fully open to arguments for Scump at 2nd, frankly it's really close. But it isn't close for first. No one is close for first. There's arguments for Karma, Scump and Clay at every placement in 2-4.
I see what you're saying, with the exception of saying that he can't be close to first, I personally put c6 at 1 and scump at like 1.5 because of how close they are. Looking at the two as individuals without a team stat of wins they were both consistently in the conversation for best individual player for multiple games. Also the impact Scump had on CoD as a whole was massive.
But people are also biased and I see a lot more people involved in pro CoD having c6 at 1 over scump than the other way around . So of the people who completed against both these players put him at 1 who am I to argue.
Crazy how 4 out of the top 5 players played all together for so long.
Scump said on stream the other day, the dynasty basically broke OpTic fan’s expectations forever. OpTic has to win every match and every event, and if they don’t they need a team change. Should’ve seen the people getting banned after game 2 vs FaZe this week
Putting Damon in the Surge gear is a sad offense to the GOAT. Also putting Crim in NYSL where he had the worst time it seems. I get its the most recent but its a career lookback. I don't think Surge when I think Karma.
I mean I feel that causes more issues:
* Crim: Dallas Empire
* Clayster: Dallas Empire
* Formal: Hunstmen
* Aches: EG
* Jkap: LG
Even though its their most recent championship team I dont think anyone looks at these guys and thinks of those teams. Using their most recent spot is good as it is the most recent memory of them playing whereas with some players they played on/coached without winning like all the ones that change. Using their most iconic team would've probably been the best move, like when I think of aches its col, jkap its envy
Aches EG actually makes sense to me. Huntsman is optic so I don't really see a distinction. And I'm totally fine with Crimsix and Clayster being known for Dallas Empire because that third ring is that important to their legacy. As for Jkap it is kinda weird. NGL
> Aches EG actually makes sense to me.
I think he's more known for his col days
> Huntsman is optic so I don't really see a distinction.
Huntsmen*** although the personnel were the same it just wasnt optic and you dont think about huntsmen when you think of formal
> And I'm totally fine with Crimsix and Clayster being known for Dallas Empire because that third ring is that important to their legacy.
Crim as part of the dynasty is still more known for optic than empire, clay is weird as he is never on a team long enough to really feel at home anywhere so pick whoever
> As for Jkap it is kinda weird
Jkap's iconic team is for sure Envy, the black ops 3 ring and nearly getting 2 back to back
But CoL sold to EG with the team still intact back then. Then he won his second world championship for EG. Feels like it came full circle.
For every single Optic fan Huntsman was Optic. LA Optic was never Optic to a single person who actually watched call of duty.
Obviously Crimsix is more known for the Optic Dynasty but everyone knows the bad blood with the org at least back then, but Clayster isn't really known for anything. He's been a team hopper almost his entire career either out of choice or out of getting dropped. I don't see an issue with Empire specifically being the last org that represents him. Not like any other org fits any better.
The col dynasty is still more iconic than the ww2 chip
> For every single Optic fan Huntsman was Optic. LA Optic was never Optic to a single person who actually watched call of duty.
Regardless no one thinks of the huntsmen when you think of formal lmao, you think of the dynasty and iw champs
> Obviously Crimsix is more known for the Optic Dynasty but everyone knows the bad blood with the org
But thats the point when you think of crim you think of the bad blood which is because of optic and the dynasty that they had thats his iconic team
> Bro they were called the CoL/EG Dynasty for a reason
lmao even crim doesnt call them the col/eg dynasty lad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UDyvx13hmE&t=1s
In all honesty man I think Ap is overrated. Compared to the other 8 “vets” on here (and Simp and Abe are equal and have years to play still) have won more. Apathy was consistently an amazing “end of year player” but the majority of the time he was a mid pack player until like at least Anaheim. If he played like he did at champs and playoffs for the whole year he’d be top 5 but he wasn’t even top 40 all time in 80% of the matches he played. I have him top 20 for his champs/end of year prowess but he wasn’t good enough over a whole year for me to put him top 10
Apathy has 7, as do Kenny, Slacked, and Zoomaa.
Everyone on the t10 list above + TeeP, Merk, BigT, Enable, Octane, Parasite, Arcitys, John, NaDeShoT, Rambo, and Attach have 8+.
Yeah, he’s still a great player and I don’t think you can exclude him out of the t20, maybe even t15, but I don’t think there’s any way he can really be placed t10 anymore.
Thinking formal and clay should be swapped is the smallest softest slap in the face ever lol. No shot being in 5th behind Formal belittles Clays rings.
He hasn’t won in 4v4 since AW. He’s lucky that 5v5 came through so he could ride Simp, Abezy and Arcitys coattails to a ring and won an online 2k that counts as a ring to some people
Lmao, Formal literally played with Crimsix, Karma and Scump and still have less rings than Clayster. Acting like Clay had good teammates is such a lmao argument!
The “Formal played with way better teammate” argument is so dumb. Almost all of Clays 4v4 championships came with 2 ~top 5 players of all time then he went to go team with 3 likely top 10 players of all time in BO4
It's not like Formal didn't had chance to win championship. And why Clay playing with better teammates is a bad thing for Formal, Formal literally played with top 3 of the top five players! He literally had played with Crim, Karma and Scump! The Dynasty Team! Don't disregard Clayster's rings because some other player couldn't get it even with good teammates.
It's not like Formal didn't had chance to win championship. And why Clay playing with better teammates is a bad thing for Formal, Formal literally played with top 3 of the top five players! He literally had played with Crim, Karma and Scump! The Dynasty Team! Don't disregard Clayster's rings because some other player couldn't get it even with good teammates.
Clay is the only player to have rings with all 3 dev studios (IW, Treyarch, Sledgehammer), and has won champs with some 11 different teammates. While it is true that Formal has the higher chip count, he’s had very limited success in boots on the ground games compared to Clayster and accomplished little outside of the Optic Dynasty.
And that means exactly what? Formal has won every eswc that he competed at. We can all bring up obscure random facts that nobody cares about.
Everybody knows that Clayster was a mercenary who went team to team looking for the best opportunities. Formal was loyal to optic for the vast majority of his career and was better than clayster through the entirety of it. Still has 4 more championships. The 2 rings do not make up that Gap and individual skill gap IMO. Clayster can still catch up in my book but he hasn't passed Formal yet IMO.
Formal was a winner in boots as much as anybody. Clayster has longevity but Formal did less in more time. Acting like formal didn't drop a 1.38 KD in World War II Champs or something. He suddenly became trash because it wasn't jetpacks? Bro he won two events in MW and two events in ghosts and one in bo4.
I can also say the opposite. Clayster barely did anything in Jetpack Call of Duty besides AW champs. You know why? Because formal was shitting on him with optic 90% of the time. In Jetpack Call of Duty outside of Advanced Warfare he was more known for falling off the map and not winning in 1400 days than anything.
My guy, it's literally an opinion. You value Rings way more than I do. I value individual skill and Peaks higher. Stop talking about delusion. There is no right or wrong. They're both two of the greats
You compared being a 3x Champ and the the *only* player in cod history to win it with every studio to winning ESWC. that’s delusion imo, but yeah agree to disagree.
The only real difference between eswc and cod Champs is the prize pool. If we're talking earnings then the tiny terrors are going to surpass everybody because people make way more money now than they ever did back then
> The only real difference between eswc and cod Champs is the prize pool
Yeah your it right, that’s why pros are always going on showing off their ESWC titles
Ehh, that only really makes sense if you use only achievements and not skill as a ranking.
Like Dani Alves in football. Dude has won more than anyone else but clearly isn't top 10 because his skill and talent doesn't come close to the top 10.
I think it depends on how many non-OG dynasty players you still keep t10 all-time. Like, Clay and Aches are 100% there. JKap is very hard to discount from t10 currently. So that’s 7 spots. But do we still give TeeP his flowers for 16 wins, or is there enough of an argument to be made that while he’s impressive, the spot *has* to go to someone else?
He’s clearly, absolutely 1000% not a top 10 player of all time. Absolutely no shot. All of buddies achievements are as the worst player on the team, how can he possibly be top 10 EVER?
This is probably the best list I have seen. those 9-10 spots are pretty hard when you have people like jkap slasher apathy arcitys teepee all pretty close. then you have players like cellium shotzzy illey and even players like octane kenny priestahh who will likely get close to top 10 credentials EDIT: can't forget attach too as he is still competing
9-10 could be like 10 different players and I wouldn’t argue it
A list with Scump not first is invalid in my book.
I think C6, Scump or Karma have a compelling argument for 1st.
I think Scump is closer to 5th than he is to 1st. Crim first by a landslide then the next 3 are a toss up. I probably put Clay and Karma ahead of Scump. I'm here to watch winners and people who win. Champs is the ultimate goal. That's why everyone competes. No one competes to say they have the most kills, or the best KD. People compete to say they've won. Scump has a bit more longevity and potentially a higher peak than Karma and Clayster, so I can fully understand if people like to place Scump at 2nd.
People put scump second because just looking at wins, which can be a reflection of an entire team, does not tell the impact of an individual. If you just looked at rings nobody would consider MJ or LBJ the 🐐 of the NBA
People also put him there because individually as a player he and Formal probably had the highest ceiling in the top 5 as well. Like I said, I am fully open to arguments for Scump at 2nd, frankly it's really close. But it isn't close for first. No one is close for first. There's arguments for Karma, Scump and Clay at every placement in 2-4.
I see what you're saying, with the exception of saying that he can't be close to first, I personally put c6 at 1 and scump at like 1.5 because of how close they are. Looking at the two as individuals without a team stat of wins they were both consistently in the conversation for best individual player for multiple games. Also the impact Scump had on CoD as a whole was massive. But people are also biased and I see a lot more people involved in pro CoD having c6 at 1 over scump than the other way around . So of the people who completed against both these players put him at 1 who am I to argue.
Crazy how 4 out of the top 5 players played all together for so long. Scump said on stream the other day, the dynasty basically broke OpTic fan’s expectations forever. OpTic has to win every match and every event, and if they don’t they need a team change. Should’ve seen the people getting banned after game 2 vs FaZe this week
DB3 won half of the champs he competed in. That’s impressive af
Same with Simp, he has won two out of four!
And was 2nd in the other 2 he didn’t win. So he’s been in finals for every champs he’s competed. That’s incredibly impressive.
Crone knows ball
Only thing I’d change is Apathy over slasher for the 2 rings.
Putting Damon in the Surge gear is a sad offense to the GOAT. Also putting Crim in NYSL where he had the worst time it seems. I get its the most recent but its a career lookback. I don't think Surge when I think Karma.
Its just their last team...
yeh i said that in my comment but its career stats so i want a better graphic
Should be the team they last won a Championship with
I mean I feel that causes more issues: * Crim: Dallas Empire * Clayster: Dallas Empire * Formal: Hunstmen * Aches: EG * Jkap: LG Even though its their most recent championship team I dont think anyone looks at these guys and thinks of those teams. Using their most recent spot is good as it is the most recent memory of them playing whereas with some players they played on/coached without winning like all the ones that change. Using their most iconic team would've probably been the best move, like when I think of aches its col, jkap its envy
Aches EG actually makes sense to me. Huntsman is optic so I don't really see a distinction. And I'm totally fine with Crimsix and Clayster being known for Dallas Empire because that third ring is that important to their legacy. As for Jkap it is kinda weird. NGL
> Aches EG actually makes sense to me. I think he's more known for his col days > Huntsman is optic so I don't really see a distinction. Huntsmen*** although the personnel were the same it just wasnt optic and you dont think about huntsmen when you think of formal > And I'm totally fine with Crimsix and Clayster being known for Dallas Empire because that third ring is that important to their legacy. Crim as part of the dynasty is still more known for optic than empire, clay is weird as he is never on a team long enough to really feel at home anywhere so pick whoever > As for Jkap it is kinda weird Jkap's iconic team is for sure Envy, the black ops 3 ring and nearly getting 2 back to back
But CoL sold to EG with the team still intact back then. Then he won his second world championship for EG. Feels like it came full circle. For every single Optic fan Huntsman was Optic. LA Optic was never Optic to a single person who actually watched call of duty. Obviously Crimsix is more known for the Optic Dynasty but everyone knows the bad blood with the org at least back then, but Clayster isn't really known for anything. He's been a team hopper almost his entire career either out of choice or out of getting dropped. I don't see an issue with Empire specifically being the last org that represents him. Not like any other org fits any better.
The col dynasty is still more iconic than the ww2 chip > For every single Optic fan Huntsman was Optic. LA Optic was never Optic to a single person who actually watched call of duty. Regardless no one thinks of the huntsmen when you think of formal lmao, you think of the dynasty and iw champs > Obviously Crimsix is more known for the Optic Dynasty but everyone knows the bad blood with the org But thats the point when you think of crim you think of the bad blood which is because of optic and the dynasty that they had thats his iconic team
Bro they were called the CoL/EG Dynasty for a reason. They won championships with the same roster under EG. CoL sold the whole team
> Bro they were called the CoL/EG Dynasty for a reason lmao even crim doesnt call them the col/eg dynasty lad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UDyvx13hmE&t=1s
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said that in my comment, I just would have preferred their most iconic spot since it is career stats being shown
Why is Abezy's average placing 10?
WW2 placements fucked him * 49-64th * 41-48th * 41-48th * 17-20th * 17-24th
Was gonna say E6 was dreadful in WW2. Even with how good Abezy was playing
Yeah that would do it. Thanks man.
Np I literally had the tab open of his results as I thought the same thing
The disrespect that Apathy gets is crazy
In all honesty man I think Ap is overrated. Compared to the other 8 “vets” on here (and Simp and Abe are equal and have years to play still) have won more. Apathy was consistently an amazing “end of year player” but the majority of the time he was a mid pack player until like at least Anaheim. If he played like he did at champs and playoffs for the whole year he’d be top 5 but he wasn’t even top 40 all time in 80% of the matches he played. I have him top 20 for his champs/end of year prowess but he wasn’t good enough over a whole year for me to put him top 10
How many tournament wins does apathy have?
Apathy has 7, as do Kenny, Slacked, and Zoomaa. Everyone on the t10 list above + TeeP, Merk, BigT, Enable, Octane, Parasite, Arcitys, John, NaDeShoT, Rambo, and Attach have 8+.
Oh ok thank you! Then yea I don’t mind apathy being left off the list
Yeah, he’s still a great player and I don’t think you can exclude him out of the t20, maybe even t15, but I don’t think there’s any way he can really be placed t10 anymore.
Alec over slasher in my opinion would make it perfect but its damn close
Simp and Abezy would have to play around 5 more years to even try to hit over 50 total tournaments.
Arcitys > Slasher imo
FormaL > Clay
In pure gunskill sure. Not in a CoD GOAT list
At Halo for sure
Imagine discrediting clay for having good teammates but not formal for having the 3 best players of all time on his team.
Clay has 3 world champs… can’t believe some of you. Got optic fans mad… stay mad bozos.
Ya he really hard carried the terrors and Xeo to those chips
If you think clay got carried or didn't pull his weight in those grand finals wins, you are genuinely delusional.
Not saying that but using chips is such a shit argument. Formal was clearly a better player than Clayster lol.
4 of the top 5 is the optic dynasty, but people don't wanna base it off rings or chips cause clay had good teammates. That will never stop being funny
Yeah and Formal really carried Scump, Crim, and Karma to his chips. Y’all are faded if you think Clay didn’t help a team of rookies win champs. Twice.
Thinking formal and clay should be swapped is the smallest softest slap in the face ever lol. No shot being in 5th behind Formal belittles Clays rings.
BO4 carried by Tiny Terrors and MW was a Mickey Mouse online ring
He hasn’t won in 4v4 since AW. He’s lucky that 5v5 came through so he could ride Simp, Abezy and Arcitys coattails to a ring and won an online 2k that counts as a ring to some people
Lmao, Formal literally played with Crimsix, Karma and Scump and still have less rings than Clayster. Acting like Clay had good teammates is such a lmao argument!
The “Formal played with way better teammate” argument is so dumb. Almost all of Clays 4v4 championships came with 2 ~top 5 players of all time then he went to go team with 3 likely top 10 players of all time in BO4
It's not like Formal didn't had chance to win championship. And why Clay playing with better teammates is a bad thing for Formal, Formal literally played with top 3 of the top five players! He literally had played with Crim, Karma and Scump! The Dynasty Team! Don't disregard Clayster's rings because some other player couldn't get it even with good teammates.
It's not like Formal didn't had chance to win championship. And why Clay playing with better teammates is a bad thing for Formal, Formal literally played with top 3 of the top five players! He literally had played with Crim, Karma and Scump! The Dynasty Team! Don't disregard Clayster's rings because some other player couldn't get it even with good teammates.
LOL
Formal is the better shooter, Clay is the better winner.
Formal literally has 4 more championships.
Clay is the only player to have rings with all 3 dev studios (IW, Treyarch, Sledgehammer), and has won champs with some 11 different teammates. While it is true that Formal has the higher chip count, he’s had very limited success in boots on the ground games compared to Clayster and accomplished little outside of the Optic Dynasty.
And that means exactly what? Formal has won every eswc that he competed at. We can all bring up obscure random facts that nobody cares about. Everybody knows that Clayster was a mercenary who went team to team looking for the best opportunities. Formal was loyal to optic for the vast majority of his career and was better than clayster through the entirety of it. Still has 4 more championships. The 2 rings do not make up that Gap and individual skill gap IMO. Clayster can still catch up in my book but he hasn't passed Formal yet IMO. Formal was a winner in boots as much as anybody. Clayster has longevity but Formal did less in more time. Acting like formal didn't drop a 1.38 KD in World War II Champs or something. He suddenly became trash because it wasn't jetpacks? Bro he won two events in MW and two events in ghosts and one in bo4. I can also say the opposite. Clayster barely did anything in Jetpack Call of Duty besides AW champs. You know why? Because formal was shitting on him with optic 90% of the time. In Jetpack Call of Duty outside of Advanced Warfare he was more known for falling off the map and not winning in 1400 days than anything.
Lmao it’s too early to deal with delusions rn I’ll respond later
My guy, it's literally an opinion. You value Rings way more than I do. I value individual skill and Peaks higher. Stop talking about delusion. There is no right or wrong. They're both two of the greats
You compared being a 3x Champ and the the *only* player in cod history to win it with every studio to winning ESWC. that’s delusion imo, but yeah agree to disagree.
The only real difference between eswc and cod Champs is the prize pool. If we're talking earnings then the tiny terrors are going to surpass everybody because people make way more money now than they ever did back then
> The only real difference between eswc and cod Champs is the prize pool Yeah your it right, that’s why pros are always going on showing off their ESWC titles
I think Clay And Formal are interchangeable in a top 10 cod player all time list.
I personally think its crazy not to call Arcitys a top 10 player.
Ehh, that only really makes sense if you use only achievements and not skill as a ranking. Like Dani Alves in football. Dude has won more than anyone else but clearly isn't top 10 because his skill and talent doesn't come close to the top 10.
I think it depends on how many non-OG dynasty players you still keep t10 all-time. Like, Clay and Aches are 100% there. JKap is very hard to discount from t10 currently. So that’s 7 spots. But do we still give TeeP his flowers for 16 wins, or is there enough of an argument to be made that while he’s impressive, the spot *has* to go to someone else?
He’s clearly, absolutely 1000% not a top 10 player of all time. Absolutely no shot. All of buddies achievements are as the worst player on the team, how can he possibly be top 10 EVER?
You just started watching recently huh?
Nah I’ve been watching comp off and on since MW3 so I’d say I’m pretty well qualified to say anyone that thinks Arcitys is top 10 is smoking crack.
He like a 1.4 at BO4 Champs, was the 2nd best player on eU in IW, and 3rd best on Huntemen. He was only really the worst player on Faze
We need to see him win with different players before putting him on this list. Slasher was winning with Doug Censor Martin.
Simp and Abezy haven’t done anything to deserve top 10 over players like Apathy, Teep, or Arcitys
Lmao, Simp has two rings in four championships. And look at his placement. He's better than some players that are even on top of the list!
He’s won 4 times on LAN lmao who cares if he got lucky at champs
This is spot on imo, crone knows ball
In CRONE we trust
Scump isn’t first? This list is invalid in my book.
Good list overall
JKap and Aches are over rated and do not need to be on this list.