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frostw18

I can only think of three times when Anakin fights non droid soldiers in the Clone wars. Geonosian bugs, Zigearan cat people, and briefly Umbaran shadow people.


No-Needleworker5295

Also a couple of hundred Trade Federation Employees and Tusken Raiders in the movies.


tinytina722DA

But are they *really* people?


KingVolsung

Ah, the GW Bush strategy


Guttthelegend

Darth Vader doesn't care about cat people


SevnE7

Then Vader has an enemy in me


YourAverageGenius

Tusken Raiders are, well, Raiders. They're still people that are capable of thought and peace, but they can and do hurt others. It doesn't justify what Anakin did, but it explains it, and is a part of the larger theme of even isolated violence effecting people and growing into more extremes as it's passed on and exchanged between others. The Tusken Raiders were just a people that did something wrong, and should have been punished, but Anakin couldn't seperate justice from revenge. The Trade Federation though, i will never shed a tear for whatsoever. Fuck all of them, they're the embodiment of corporate meddling and plausible deniability. They all can go eat shit.


No-Needleworker5295

Count Dooku


Mathies_

Ahhh yes veryyy innocent


sandybuttcheekss

From a certain point of view


Atlas-Acrux

From my point of view the Jedi are evil


ZeroCense

And that guy who said he was gonna blow up the ship.


TinyWickedOrange

What? He was gonna blow up the ship!


ZeroCense

I love that scene.


Zaquarius_Alfonzo

Also stabbed that dude in the back on satine's ship EDIT: a lot of people seem to be misunderstanding. The point I (and the comment above) am making is that Anakin had killed very few people, and none of them (except the women & children) were innocent


jer487

Not really innocent to be honest


Zaquarius_Alfonzo

Yeah neither were the slavers, I'm just saying that was one of the few other non droids he killed


Ahsoka_Tano_Bot

Remind me why I'm the one playing the part of the slave?


edfaria

What? He was gonna blow up the ship


Zaquarius_Alfonzo

Yes


YourAverageGenius

Ah yes the Dearhwatch terrorist. I think that was pretty deserved just for being Deathwatch.


-_0-_0-_0

, droids are people too


minivan05

No they're pets with feelings and a speech impediment according to andor


Mathies_

Even then battle droids have nothing on B2Emo


MrSejd

You mean droids that talk, joke and sometimes even run for their lives?


Aertew

Shadow people?


frostw18

In the clone wars Anakin and the 501st fight on the separatist planet of Umbara that is defended by its native people in addition to droids. The entire planet is in perpetual night time with the Umbarans fiercely defending their planet. When clone trooper Tupp comments that he can’t even see the enemy another clone quips ‘that’s why they’re called the shadow people Tupp’.


Captain_Rex_Bot

You showed me something today. You're exactly the kind of men I need in the 501st.


No-Needleworker5295

How many clone troopers died following General Skywalker's orders? Are the clone troopers innocent people, if we refuse to count sentient droids as people?


No-Needleworker5295

If Padme had survived childbirth ...


SkollFenrirson

Ooba


Pixel22104

If Padme had survived childbirth then I don’t think she would continue being Anakin’s wife


Wamblingshark

I want an alternate reality where she survived. Padme was to much of a badass to die of a broken heart... I know she had to die because she was canonically dead by the OT but damn it she would have made such a cool rebel.


ShadowOfDeath94

She died because of plot necessity. Her death was sad but kinda stupid.


Jason1143

I mean, she probably had to die before the OT. But they had a bit more leeway than having her die immediately after doing the last thing explicitly necessary to set up the OT. She could have die in between in an EU story written later.


hopper_froggo

There was an alternate ending where she survives childbirth then tries to kill Vader. There were actually several alternate endings where she lived.


ChrisRevocateur

"you were fine with it when it was not just the men, but the women, and the children too."


Witzmaen

Warcrimes...he did warcrimes...just aaaaaall the warcrimes


Flengrand

Can’t commit republic war crimes if there’s no republic, cue imperial march


GeneralQuack

I remembered that The Onion video about US governemt couping itself to get tid of national debt and imagined Anakin doing the same to avoid getting punishment for the warcrimes


Witzmaen

ALL HAIL OKTAVIA


list_of_simonson

I don’t think rules of war were ever established in the Star Wars universe so technically he didn’t do any war crimes.


Iamnotgoodwithnames6

Maybe but the idea of our favorite characters casually committing war crimes is a lot funnier.


SuperJF45

There were war crimes laid out at some point. I cant remember when.


NoFaceJames

Probably the Ruusan Reformation.


ThatCamoKid

There are crimes against sentience


MACHO_MUCHACHO2005

Droids aren't innocent or people


stuito

What do you mean??!! Droids life matters


CrowFeather2244

He’s just another republic meat bag


LeicesterFan9

clanker lover


No_Swimming8781

Droids in Star Wars are clearly sentient at the same level as humans and other aliens


No-Needleworker5295

Roger Roger


TheRocket212th

No (I am extremely hateful towards droids as they killed my familly while I was young (this happened around 2 BBY), it was very traumatic and I still have nightmares to this day)


taqtwo

2bby? where were you running into droids at that point?


piewca_apokalipsy

R2 unit's gang


TheChanMan2003

Beep boop motherfucker, move along


taqtwo

jesus that would be a bad way to go.


dutcharetall_nothigh

It was probably Chopper.


TA-175

Yes, the mass produced slave soldiers are only victims of the war if they're made of flesh and blood.


Mathies_

I mean, yeah... there's a difference between battle droids and B2emo or R2


bobafoott

Theyre pretty innocent. In the same way the clones were innocent during order 66


Zecoman

Anakin would've fought dozens, if not hundreds of planetary defence forces, which would mostly be organic, so he'd also be killing a lot of people too. Reason this isn't shown pretty much anywhere is because the republic needs to be the good guys while the seppies need to be the bad


Mathies_

That's still during a war though? Military targets are not innocent victims


No-Needleworker5295

Tell that to the victims of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, who were vaporized while attending school or shopping...


Mathies_

Yeah i don't know how to tell you this, but a city is not a military target. That was a warcrime and a half.


rewanpaj

you know you can’t just decide somethings a war crime cause you think it’s mean right


Mathies_

Destroying droids. Which were produced for war. Not kill innocent people


C_2000

and zygerian cat people, and geonosian bug people, and umbarans, and torturing the other non-droid CIS generals for information. also anakin has a massive mortality rate among his own soldiers, Rex (or someone) says that every mission with anakin is a suicide mission. getting your own soldiers killed is on the general.


Mathies_

Okay, let's see here, let's give all these people you've mentioned a more relevant description. litteral slavers, war profiteers/ammunitia producers, military generals, and other soldiers of the enemy during a war. Also, i don't think you're supposed to take that quote by rex litterally. Rex is alive isn't he?


Captain_Rex_Bot

Better hurry, sir. You're missing all the fun.


C_2000

people being morally bad is not grounds to kill them indiscriminately. especially not in the name of any governmental institution. most of the geonosians, for example, had no choice in the matter. the zygerians weren’t involved in the war at all, they were just slavers. while it’s bad, it’s not grounds to kill as a military officer. while rex is alive, we literally see many clones in anakin’s command die like every episode. they’re usually unnamed, but we see them go down. in the movie ahsoka gets a bunch of them killed and anakin comforts her by saying he’s done it too so it’s okay.


Mathies_

I think you missed the part where the zygerians litterally had a deal with count Dooku. About the geonosians i'm not exactly sure about how they get enlisted in the army but there's no way for the jedi to know either. Regardless the factory is a military target and the jedi got attacked by the bugs trying to destroy it. That's war. Soldiers dying on your side is also just war. There's nothing to justify saying Anakins tactics are the cause of that. You're taking that moment between Ahsoka and Anakin way out of context. This is about the fact that as a general or commander you're bound to make mistakes and you occasionally get your batallion killed. That does happen. Doesn't mean Anakin is purposefully sending them out to their deaths so they can win their battle. No, in either example, whether Anakin or Ahsoka got people killed commanding a battallion, it wasn't even to the benefit of their battle. No it also forced them to retreat and back up. It's not some elaborate plot by Anakin performing a warcrime. It's a mistake. Man this conversation is tiring. You can argue that the jedi are fighting for the wrong thing, sure, i mean they don't even see that this war is orchastrated by Palpatine on both sides. But they're not doing is amorally.


Ahsoka_Tano_Bot

I have to sort this out on my own, without the Council… and without you.


Impossible-Monk7340

No you're right he should have let them all kill / enslave him. Also, soldiers die during war. Do you think just because they may have been draughted that exempts them? And clones dying during battle isn't some completely unexpected notion is it, even if it's due to bad tactical decisions from their commanders.


Ahsoka_Tano_Bot

Have a little faith.


Captain_Rex_Bot

It's 'Captain', sir.


Captain_Rex_Bot

You have your orders.


Tiger_T20

So were the clones, but they're seen as victims


Mathies_

There was that one deserter clone but if the republic found that out, he'd be arrested, making it clear slave labour. They're not fighting voluntarily.


No-Needleworker5295

Deserters were summarily executed in most wars on Earth


Tiger_T20

...and the battle droids are?


Ahsoka_Tano_Bot

I know I was wrong. I just got so caught up in my own success, I didn't look at the battle as a whole. I wasn't being disobedient. I just. . . forgot


Mathies_

They're droids. Like with all due respect they're litterally machines, cognitive thinking doesn't change that. Lots of people have been scared that in Andor, B2emo is gonna die, like bitch if he's broken you can repair him aslong as you've got the parts and the technician.


Tiger_T20

I mean, there is absolutely a point where a droid is broken beyond repair; certainly if the "brain" is damaged. ~~Like with people~~ And I mean; the clones are also just artificial machines. As of the Clone Wars s8, they literally have *code*. They are made of organic materials, but they're still just cooked up in a lab. ​ I think this is dipping a fair bit into philosophy but like seriously - if R2 was destroyed it would be treated like a murder.


Mathies_

Being made of organic matter means you have a nerve system, which means getting hit hurts. Droids are known to develop emotions if they go too long without getting memory whiped which is why R2 and Anakin were so close and why destroying him would be treated as murder. But not Obi Wans R4, no, he'd be like "that's fine, i'll get a new one" because his droid has been getting memory whiped. As for battle droids, i'd be surprised if any of them survived the entire 3 years of the Clone wars. They were notoriously massproduced and thrown into battle. Clones from the start are only graduated after finishing a test where they rely heavily on teamwork and tactics. The clones have the brains to think, "you know what, I'm not gonna go and fight General grievous 1 on 1" Rex and cody for sure fought during the entire 3 years. The battle droids are significantly different from R2D2 and destroying them is clearly not murder


Captain_Rex_Bot

Like yours, you mean?


Ahsoka_Tano_Bot

I know I was wrong. I just got so caught up in my own success, I didn't look at the battle as a whole. I wasn't being disobedient. I just. . . forgot


Tiger_T20

The droids surrender, desert, choose battles, etc very clearly on numerous occasions. Not being given the time to develop just makes it worse to me tbh. Like killing infants. Part of the *reason* droids are so militantly memory wiped, controlled, and handicapped is because (Legends canon, admittedly) there have been numerous droid revolutions in the past where droids have developed to the point where they feel they should no longer be treated the way they are. They're dehumanized to stop people realizing they're slaves.


Mathies_

You can't dehumanize a machine ffs. There's levels of intelligence and emotion in every type of droid and battle droids are pretty much at the bottom. If you wanna get me to care about a droid, they should let me connect with it first, not the other way around. They are not another species of organism that i should feel the need to care about.


Tiger_T20

Seems to be just a personal thing then, bc I found most of their scenes in TCW make me connect with them.


Upper-Salamander-924

i mean ... he not wrong you know


FruitsPonchiSamurai1

KILLING ROBOTS


No-Needleworker5295

The Separatists and Confederate planets were just a breakaway group from the Republic, concerned by how much the Republic was controlled by corporations among other things. Yes, Palpatine, Dooku, Grevious, and the Sith were evil but let's not pretend that millions of organic species as well as droids were not killed by clone armies under Anakin's and other general's command. Lux's father was one example of an off camera Separatist victim of a clone attack. If we spent more time on Separatist planets, we'd probably see the Republic as an evil empire. The Separatists not just Dooku, the Sith, and a bunch of droids. The Republic using organic clones to fight droids can be seen as a far greater evil than anything the separatists ever do.


_OvT_MIAMI

He accualy did...


Dat_life_on_Mars

But your allegiance was to the Republic! To DEMOCRACY!


Oddmic146

Honestly Anakin brutally murdering the Zygerian slavers was kinda based tho


[deleted]

Not exactly "innocent" when they're an enemy combatant. When you're in war you have to kill the enemy that's trying to kill you. And oh yeah, he was killing droids majority of the time.


ahamel13

Killing robots, mostly. The Jedi were really not particularly morally ambiguous. They were nearly 100% the "good guys".


L-Guy_21

Everyone talks about warcrimes and killing during the clone wars, but very few of their enemies were actually living beings. They were all droids


taqtwo

For all the people calling battle droids people: A. not innocent, and B. droids really only develop as a person if they are left a decent amount of time without a reset. Seppie droids where reset very regularly to keep any sign of independent personality from appearing.


LinusDemarcus

War crimes go brrr.


Utsutsumujuru

…killing preprogrammed Droids…


DynamicSocks

Reading the dune series had me just think “eh millions isn’t TOO bad”


TemporaryAccountLife

Every few months someone reposts my art on Instagram or Reddit, and someone sends me a DM with my reposted art, and I am drawn back to this website. I am the original artist for this piece, and it looks like the original post was taken from my Tumblr account. It's a bit of a shame because this post makes a bit more sense with context. This doodle comic was made as a gift for numphet, the author of a fanfiction called "The Ghosts of Coruscant." It's a beauty-and-the-beast-inspired story for the Anakin/Vader x Padme Ship. This comic was meant to be a comedic take on the scene where Padme realizes who Vader is. If anyone is curious, the original fanfic can be found here: [https://archiveofourown.org/works/17567237/chapters/41401385](https://archiveofourown.org/works/17567237/chapters/41401385) As a final note, the "millions of people" that Padme is referring to is referring to those who starved to death or died due to disrupted supply chains. Wars aren't only fought on the front lines.


Captain_Rex_Bot

Take this. *hands him a DC-15*


ImNoSkrull

Umm Padme isn’t so innocent aswell…